LCPS sexual assualt - who is held accountable?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ziegler was asked if their had been any transgender bathroom attacks and he said no because there hasn’t been (and still haven’t been.) The boy in question is not transgender. Words matter. The question was specific.

That's not what he asked. He asked about attacks in bathrooms. There were no qualifiers. The question was not about transgender bathroom attacks.

Anyone have a YouTube Link so I can evaluate the question by myself ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ziegler was asked if their had been any transgender bathroom attacks and he said no because there hasn’t been (and still haven’t been.) The boy in question is not transgender. Words matter. The question was specific.

That's not what he asked. He asked about attacks in bathrooms. There were no qualifiers. The question was not about transgender bathroom attacks.

Anyone have a YouTube Link so I can evaluate the question by myself ?

I have seen it. It is from the June 22 meeting, I believe. I don't have time to find it now, but I'm pretty sure the Board member asked if there were reports of bathroom attacks "regularly." The administrator responded with a clear "no there were no reports of bathroom attacks" or words to that effect.

I don't think "transgender" was used in the question, but it may have been the topic at hand. "Regular" was not used in the response.

Semantics.

When the transgender issue was presented in Fairfax, a SB member asked for some kind of documentation that a child was transgender--otherwise, any boy could claim it on any given day. Her proposal was shut down. Now we know why she wanted it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ziegler was asked if their had been any transgender bathroom attacks and he said no because there hasn’t been (and still haven’t been.) The boy in question is not transgender. Words matter. The question was specific.

That's not what he asked. He asked about attacks in bathrooms. There were no qualifiers. The question was not about transgender bathroom attacks.

Anyone have a YouTube Link so I can evaluate the question by myself ?

Depending on what time it was, you can see the video on LCPS's website. The video only runs to 10PM.

[Anonymous]

I think the question was asked twice, to try and give Ziegler cover for his lie.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:I have mixed feelings about posting this and if anyone feels this is inappropriate, use the "report" button to tell me I'm being an a-hole, but this is what the Washington Post is reporting regarding the court proceeding today:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/in-case-at-center-of-political-firestorm-judge-finds-teen-committed-sexual-assault-in-virginia-school-bathroom/2021/10/25/42c037da-35cc-11ec-8be3-e14aaacfa8ac_story.html

During the hearing, the 15-year-old victim in the first case testified she had consensual sexual encounters with the defendant on two occasions in a girls’ bathroom at Stone Bridge High School in Ashburn. On May 28, she said, the two arranged to meet again and the youth threw her to the floor and forced her to perform sex acts.

I think this is worth posting for two reasons:

1) it shows why the authorities found the case "complicated", and

2) this was obviously not a case of a female-appearing student entering the girls' bathroom to conduct an assault. Rather, it was a pre-arranged meeting and gender doesn't really play a role.

Also, just to be clear, I strongly agree that a consensual encounter can turn non-consensual and result in sexual assault. In such cases, these charges are appropriate.

I’ve had sex with my husband for decades. But the night I told him no because I was exhausted due to taking care of my sick mother and he didn’t want to hear no because he was leaving the next day for a couple weeks? He raped me. Doesn’t matter that we were married. Doesn’t matter how many times we’d had sex prior. I said no. He would not take that for an answer. It’s disgusting to think that if my husband works skirts, people would be arguing for pages about it.

Can a native explain the bolded? Tia!

Sorry, I meant WORE skirts

Yes, thank you. I find it disgusting that people are trying to bring up past consent as an excuse for the administration. You are borderline victim blaming, shame on you.

Kudos to the all of the loudoun county students participating in the walkout today.

[Anonymous]

So based on the evidence it sounds like the school board and superintendent should be held responsible for relocating this student. But trying to make it a transgender issue sounds like an attempt to influence the upcoming governor election.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The attempts to downplay and cover up this event - - from the principal, the school board, parents who tried to get Mr. Smith to shut up at the meeting, the media, even the moderator of this very website - - is astounding.

+ a million

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So based on the evidence it sounds like the school board and superintendent should be held responsible for relocating this student. But trying to make it a transgender issue sounds like an attempt to influence the upcoming governor election.

Yes. The student for sure should have been on homebound while awaiting trial given the accusation and charges. There wasn’t a cover up that I can see though. Procedures created a loophole he exploited.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The attempts to downplay and cover up this event - - from the principal, the school board, parents who tried to get Mr. Smith to shut up at the meeting, the media, even the moderator of this very website - - is astounding.

+ a million

+ a trillion

The fact the the Commonwealth attorney pursued charges against the father is what I find the most astounding. She has prosecutorial discretion, she knew exactly what she was doing, and she was using her position to silence this father. It was a political hit job where she abused her most powerful position. When this story first broke, I thought there is no fathomable way this is true - not the transgender distraction, the targeted prosecution of the dad. We are at an inflection point - do we want to live in a country where fathers of sexual assault victims are prosecuted for speaking out, but the criminal who steals the purse from the elderly woman's car as she goes for a walk in the park (and charges $3000 in purchases before her walk is complete) never even has a case opened against him? Bari Weiss sure thinks we have gone mad, and I am starting to agree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So based on the evidence it sounds like the school board and superintendent should be held responsible for relocating this student. But trying to make it a transgender issue sounds like an attempt to influence the upcoming governor election.

Yes. The student for sure should have been on homebound while awaiting trial given the accusation and charges. There wasn’t a cover up that I can see though. Procedures created a loophole he exploited.

lol, okay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So based on the evidence it sounds like the school board and superintendent should be held responsible for relocating this student. But trying to make it a transgender issue sounds like an attempt to influence the upcoming governor election.

The point is because the kid wore skirts, the administration perceived him as potentially transgender, which seems to be why they lied.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I’m a teacher. A lot of the kids don’t know much about all the fine details. They believed they were walking out in support of victims of sexual assault and schools taking it seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So based on the evidence it sounds like the school board and superintendent should be held responsible for relocating this student. But trying to make it a transgender issue sounds like an attempt to influence the upcoming governor election.

The point is because the kid wore skirts, the administration perceived him as potentially transgender, which seems to be why they lied.

No

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I’m a teacher. A lot of the kids don’t know much about all the fine details. They believed they were walking out in support of victims of sexual assault and schools taking it seriously.

Spin, spin, spin. This is a top trend on Facebook and twitter right now.