ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How does the GA/MLSN partnership affect ECNL?

At this time, this would not affect ECNL very much. This partnership formalizes an agreement for both leagues to work together and initially adds a few top GA teams to attend an MLSnext National level showcase and they mentioned sharing coaching and development information.

It could affect ECNL in the future if GA moves into the realm of being a springboard league for players to go pro. If that develops, then GA may attract more players away from ECNL who want to pursue that option.

Will it attract so much attention and talent that is rises to top league status in a similar way that MLSnext is over the ECNL Boys league? Possibly not, unless the NWSL helps with league development in a significant way to boost and further legitimize the league.

Yes, I know this off topic for this thread, with enough interest, we should start a new thread to continue the conjecture.

All NWSL has to do is implement a homegrown rule via GA and all the top players will flow to GA. Just like they do now with MLSN.

It's amazing to think that girls ecnl is one rule away from being 2nd tier. (Just like boys ecnl)

You are so naive.

Directly from the 2024 NWSL CBA...

From the "Definitions" section

(u) “Home Grown Player” shall mean a youth player who was developed by a Team prior to becoming a professional soccer player with the NWSL.

From section 6.2

As such, NWSL may take any action not in conflict with any express provision of this Agreement, any SPA, or any applicable law in the exercise of its management rights. Such rights include but are not limited to [...] maintaining, modifying, or implementing Home Grown Player/Player development, ...

From Section 13.3- Mechanisms for Acquiring Players’ Rights

Section 13.3 – [...] If NWSL seeks to create a Home Grown Player Rule, it will notify the NWSLPA and allow the NWSLPA the opportunity for input, but the NWSL retains the discretion to implement the Rule.

From Section 15 - Roster size

In the event NWSL implements a Home Grown Player rule during the term of this Agreement, NWSL will be permitted to roster Home Grown Players in excess of the maximum Roster size.

With receipts!

Seems clear that the NWSL Players Association is expecting a homegrown rule to be implemented.

Sooo... NWSL players association added verbiage around a possible homegrown rule for no reason whatsoever?

I don't belive it.

US Soccer, and MLS are propping up GA and will continue to prop up GA. ECNL girls might have its time in the sun right now but we're literally one rule away from the entire youth soccer ecosystem fron being turned on its head.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do MLS clubs even turn a profit? No way nwsl clubs do. My daughter knows her future career won't be in NWSL, she wants to go to a good college and play soccer on her way to a real job/career. It is what 95% of girls and their families want. This announcement changes nothing.

Have any of you ever actually attended an nwsl game? It's clear their target audience is LGBT, not kids or families. So much pride shoved down your throat. Team stores are loaded with pride themed gear, but players kits can't be purchased. The NWSL will never generate profit until they broaden their audience beyond the LGBT mafia. As-is, they can't find an academy pipeline and why would they? ECNL does it for them at no cost.

Our local NWSL club had pride day on Father’s Day. Did not mention the dads in the stands at all or have any of the professionals say anything about their fathers who I’m sure was this them all the way helping them as fathers do.
Was just strange not to mention fathers on Father’s Day.

I don’t mind pride day but maybe not on fathers or Mother’s Day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How does the GA/MLSN partnership affect ECNL?

At this time, this would not affect ECNL very much. This partnership formalizes an agreement for both leagues to work together and initially adds a few top GA teams to attend an MLSnext National level showcase and they mentioned sharing coaching and development information.

It could affect ECNL in the future if GA moves into the realm of being a springboard league for players to go pro. If that develops, then GA may attract more players away from ECNL who want to pursue that option.

Will it attract so much attention and talent that is rises to top league status in a similar way that MLSnext is over the ECNL Boys league? Possibly not, unless the NWSL helps with league development in a significant way to boost and further legitimize the league.

Yes, I know this off topic for this thread, with enough interest, we should start a new thread to continue the conjecture.

All NWSL has to do is implement a homegrown rule via GA and all the top players will flow to GA. Just like they do now with MLSN.

It's amazing to think that girls ecnl is one rule away from being 2nd tier. (Just like boys ecnl)

You are so naive.

Directly from the 2024 NWSL CBA...

From the "Definitions" section

(u) “Home Grown Player” shall mean a youth player who was developed by a Team prior to becoming a professional soccer player with the NWSL.

From section 6.2

As such, NWSL may take any action not in conflict with any express provision of this Agreement, any SPA, or any applicable law in the exercise of its management rights. Such rights include but are not limited to [...] maintaining, modifying, or implementing Home Grown Player/Player development, ...

From Section 13.3- Mechanisms for Acquiring Players’ Rights

Section 13.3 – [...] If NWSL seeks to create a Home Grown Player Rule, it will notify the NWSLPA and allow the NWSLPA the opportunity for input, but the NWSL retains the discretion to implement the Rule.

From Section 15 - Roster size

In the event NWSL implements a Home Grown Player rule during the term of this Agreement, NWSL will be permitted to roster Home Grown Players in excess of the maximum Roster size.

With receipts!

Seems clear that the NWSL Players Association is expecting a homegrown rule to be implemented.

Sooo... NWSL players association added verbiage around a possible homegrown rule for no reason whatsoever?

I don't belive it.

US Soccer, and MLS are propping up GA and will continue to prop up GA. ECNL girls might have its time in the sun right now but we're literally one rule away from the entire youth soccer ecosystem fron being turned on its head.

With a kid in ECNL, and really not happy with how ECNL maneuvered through this whole change (don’t care about the change itself) I am totally here for the obvious repercussions that will come ECNLs way from MLSN / GA and USSF.

A top tier national league banded together with rec soccer, and committee maneuvering to force through a change to “increase grassroots” participation, that they thought would benefit them competitively with NCAA explacement…and the other two top tier national leagues are saying “jokes on you ECNL…we’re moving you to the kids table with NPL.” 😂

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How does the GA/MLSN partnership affect ECNL?

At this time, this would not affect ECNL very much. This partnership formalizes an agreement for both leagues to work together and initially adds a few top GA teams to attend an MLSnext National level showcase and they mentioned sharing coaching and development information.

It could affect ECNL in the future if GA moves into the realm of being a springboard league for players to go pro. If that develops, then GA may attract more players away from ECNL who want to pursue that option.

Will it attract so much attention and talent that is rises to top league status in a similar way that MLSnext is over the ECNL Boys league? Possibly not, unless the NWSL helps with league development in a significant way to boost and further legitimize the league.

Yes, I know this off topic for this thread, with enough interest, we should start a new thread to continue the conjecture.

All NWSL has to do is implement a homegrown rule via GA and all the top players will flow to GA. Just like they do now with MLSN.

It's amazing to think that girls ecnl is one rule away from being 2nd tier. (Just like boys ecnl)

You are so naive.

Directly from the 2024 NWSL CBA...

From the "Definitions" section

(u) “Home Grown Player” shall mean a youth player who was developed by a Team prior to becoming a professional soccer player with the NWSL.

From section 6.2

As such, NWSL may take any action not in conflict with any express provision of this Agreement, any SPA, or any applicable law in the exercise of its management rights. Such rights include but are not limited to [...] maintaining, modifying, or implementing Home Grown Player/Player development, ...

From Section 13.3- Mechanisms for Acquiring Players’ Rights

Section 13.3 – [...] If NWSL seeks to create a Home Grown Player Rule, it will notify the NWSLPA and allow the NWSLPA the opportunity for input, but the NWSL retains the discretion to implement the Rule.

From Section 15 - Roster size

In the event NWSL implements a Home Grown Player rule during the term of this Agreement, NWSL will be permitted to roster Home Grown Players in excess of the maximum Roster size.

With receipts!

Seems clear that the NWSL Players Association is expecting a homegrown rule to be implemented.

Sooo... NWSL players association added verbiage around a possible homegrown rule for no reason whatsoever?

I don't belive it.

US Soccer, and MLS are propping up GA and will continue to prop up GA. ECNL girls might have its time in the sun right now but we're literally one rule away from the entire youth soccer ecosystem fron being turned on its head.

Some NWSL clubs have academies already and it makes sense that as the league grows they would start their own competitive format. As a father of daughters who play ECNL I am not anti GA or a future NWSL-next as the more programs that promote our girls the better.

I just don’t see anyone taking the reins from ECNL in regard to college recruiting anytime in the near future.

But any academy that has strong competitive platform, hires great coaches, and has the funds to reduce fees will be able to build a great team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unless the NWSL is free like MLS academies I don’t see how they will make a dent in what ECNL is doing. Some NWSL clubs already have academies but I don’t think any of them are highly ranked.

The facts are most girls want to goto college before playing pro. Until the women’s game can start getting larger checks for their bench players that will always be the case.

You say the same things on every forum. It gets old.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6001750/2024/12/17/nwsl-expansion-denver/

The source said that the expansion fee is in the range of $105 to $120 million, which was also reported by Sportico

MLS just charged San Diego $500m. MLS has more dollars and MLS Next side DCU doesn't even bother to have a U13 side. Rolling in cash doesn't make you want to share or spend.

Are you trying to explain why Acadamies on the girls side will vacuum up talent?

Businesses don't run charities. How would NWSL academies come remotely close to breaking even while offering free soccer to about 1,500 kids?

You don’t understand professional academy economics. The MLS Academies are in their infancy, but eventually, it is a break-even paid for via transfer fees and homegrown discounts.

That said, a NWSL academy would get to a sustainable business much faster than the MLS Academies due to the demand side for talent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How does the GA/MLSN partnership affect ECNL?

At this time, this would not affect ECNL very much. This partnership formalizes an agreement for both leagues to work together and initially adds a few top GA teams to attend an MLSnext National level showcase and they mentioned sharing coaching and development information.

It could affect ECNL in the future if GA moves into the realm of being a springboard league for players to go pro. If that develops, then GA may attract more players away from ECNL who want to pursue that option.

Will it attract so much attention and talent that is rises to top league status in a similar way that MLSnext is over the ECNL Boys league? Possibly not, unless the NWSL helps with league development in a significant way to boost and further legitimize the league.

Yes, I know this off topic for this thread, with enough interest, we should start a new thread to continue the conjecture.

All NWSL has to do is implement a homegrown rule via GA and all the top players will flow to GA. Just like they do now with MLSN.

It's amazing to think that girls ecnl is one rule away from being 2nd tier. (Just like boys ecnl)

You are so naive.

Directly from the 2024 NWSL CBA...

From the "Definitions" section

(u) “Home Grown Player” shall mean a youth player who was developed by a Team prior to becoming a professional soccer player with the NWSL.

From section 6.2

As such, NWSL may take any action not in conflict with any express provision of this Agreement, any SPA, or any applicable law in the exercise of its management rights. Such rights include but are not limited to [...] maintaining, modifying, or implementing Home Grown Player/Player development, ...

From Section 13.3- Mechanisms for Acquiring Players’ Rights

Section 13.3 – [...] If NWSL seeks to create a Home Grown Player Rule, it will notify the NWSLPA and allow the NWSLPA the opportunity for input, but the NWSL retains the discretion to implement the Rule.

From Section 15 - Roster size

In the event NWSL implements a Home Grown Player rule during the term of this Agreement, NWSL will be permitted to roster Home Grown Players in excess of the maximum Roster size.

This does not relate to what you think it does. This relates to players they cultivate now like the 15 yr old that just signed. This is not the basis for a wider home grown rule and if you look at the MLS language you would see how different it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I don’t mind pride day but maybe not on fathers or Mother’s Day.

We don't go to Spirit games in June.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How does the GA/MLSN partnership affect ECNL?

At this time, this would not affect ECNL very much. This partnership formalizes an agreement for both leagues to work together and initially adds a few top GA teams to attend an MLSnext National level showcase and they mentioned sharing coaching and development information.

It could affect ECNL in the future if GA moves into the realm of being a springboard league for players to go pro. If that develops, then GA may attract more players away from ECNL who want to pursue that option.

Will it attract so much attention and talent that is rises to top league status in a similar way that MLSnext is over the ECNL Boys league? Possibly not, unless the NWSL helps with league development in a significant way to boost and further legitimize the league.

Yes, I know this off topic for this thread, with enough interest, we should start a new thread to continue the conjecture.

All NWSL has to do is implement a homegrown rule via GA and all the top players will flow to GA. Just like they do now with MLSN.

It's amazing to think that girls ecnl is one rule away from being 2nd tier. (Just like boys ecnl)

You are so naive.

Directly from the 2024 NWSL CBA...

From the "Definitions" section

(u) “Home Grown Player” shall mean a youth player who was developed by a Team prior to becoming a professional soccer player with the NWSL.

From section 6.2

As such, NWSL may take any action not in conflict with any express provision of this Agreement, any SPA, or any applicable law in the exercise of its management rights. Such rights include but are not limited to [...] maintaining, modifying, or implementing Home Grown Player/Player development, ...

From Section 13.3- Mechanisms for Acquiring Players’ Rights

Section 13.3 – [...] If NWSL seeks to create a Home Grown Player Rule, it will notify the NWSLPA and allow the NWSLPA the opportunity for input, but the NWSL retains the discretion to implement the Rule.

From Section 15 - Roster size

In the event NWSL implements a Home Grown Player rule during the term of this Agreement, NWSL will be permitted to roster Home Grown Players in excess of the maximum Roster size.

With receipts!

Seems clear that the NWSL Players Association is expecting a homegrown rule to be implemented.

Sooo... NWSL players association added verbiage around a possible homegrown rule for no reason whatsoever?

I don't belive it.

US Soccer, and MLS are propping up GA and will continue to prop up GA. ECNL girls might have its time in the sun right now but we're literally one rule away from the entire youth soccer ecosystem fron being turned on its head.

Both open to anything and do not care because DD has committed already but US Soccer is not proping up GA. No money has changed hands -- not a dime. Same with MLS. They just signed this now. It does not contemplate any money. If you want to say -- a solution would be for US Soccer and MLS to fund, you could say that but it is not happening now and I can't see it happening in the next year. MLS wnts to be sure GA has legs. That is yet to be determined. They will not put money in unless they know it will last.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How does the GA/MLSN partnership affect ECNL?

At this time, this would not affect ECNL very much. This partnership formalizes an agreement for both leagues to work together and initially adds a few top GA teams to attend an MLSnext National level showcase and they mentioned sharing coaching and development information.

It could affect ECNL in the future if GA moves into the realm of being a springboard league for players to go pro. If that develops, then GA may attract more players away from ECNL who want to pursue that option.

Will it attract so much attention and talent that is rises to top league status in a similar way that MLSnext is over the ECNL Boys league? Possibly not, unless the NWSL helps with league development in a significant way to boost and further legitimize the league.

Yes, I know this off topic for this thread, with enough interest, we should start a new thread to continue the conjecture.

All NWSL has to do is implement a homegrown rule via GA and all the top players will flow to GA. Just like they do now with MLSN.

It's amazing to think that girls ecnl is one rule away from being 2nd tier. (Just like boys ecnl)

You are so naive.

Directly from the 2024 NWSL CBA...

From the "Definitions" section

(u) “Home Grown Player” shall mean a youth player who was developed by a Team prior to becoming a professional soccer player with the NWSL.

From section 6.2

As such, NWSL may take any action not in conflict with any express provision of this Agreement, any SPA, or any applicable law in the exercise of its management rights. Such rights include but are not limited to [...] maintaining, modifying, or implementing Home Grown Player/Player development, ...

From Section 13.3- Mechanisms for Acquiring Players’ Rights

Section 13.3 – [...] If NWSL seeks to create a Home Grown Player Rule, it will notify the NWSLPA and allow the NWSLPA the opportunity for input, but the NWSL retains the discretion to implement the Rule.

From Section 15 - Roster size

In the event NWSL implements a Home Grown Player rule during the term of this Agreement, NWSL will be permitted to roster Home Grown Players in excess of the maximum Roster size.

This does not relate to what you think it does. This relates to players they cultivate now like the 15 yr old that just signed. This is not the basis for a wider home grown rule and if you look at the MLS language you would see how different it is.

No…it does not.

It is in reference to youth that are developed by the club PRIOR to going pro.

Yes, NWSL includes it so that they can potentially have academies, and couple already do.

But it’s largely included because of FIFA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unless the NWSL is free like MLS academies I don’t see how they will make a dent in what ECNL is doing. Some NWSL clubs already have academies but I don’t think any of them are highly ranked.

The facts are most girls want to goto college before playing pro. Until the women’s game can start getting larger checks for their bench players that will always be the case.

You say the same things on every forum. It gets old.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6001750/2024/12/17/nwsl-expansion-denver/

The source said that the expansion fee is in the range of $105 to $120 million, which was also reported by Sportico

MLS just charged San Diego $500m. MLS has more dollars and MLS Next side DCU doesn't even bother to have a U13 side. Rolling in cash doesn't make you want to share or spend.

Are you trying to explain why Acadamies on the girls side will vacuum up talent?

Businesses don't run charities. How would NWSL academies come remotely close to breaking even while offering free soccer to about 1,500 kids?

You don’t understand professional academy economics. The MLS Academies are in their infancy, but eventually, it is a break-even paid for via transfer fees and homegrown discounts.

That said, a NWSL academy would get to a sustainable business much faster than the MLS Academies due to the demand side for talent.

What demand for talent are you talking about? College players are better. It would take years to put academies together and when they do --- NWSL teams could not pay any significant transfer fees. Almost all of the teams are money losing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unless the NWSL is free like MLS academies I don’t see how they will make a dent in what ECNL is doing. Some NWSL clubs already have academies but I don’t think any of them are highly ranked.

The facts are most girls want to goto college before playing pro. Until the women’s game can start getting larger checks for their bench players that will always be the case.

You say the same things on every forum. It gets old.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6001750/2024/12/17/nwsl-expansion-denver/

The source said that the expansion fee is in the range of $105 to $120 million, which was also reported by Sportico

MLS just charged San Diego $500m. MLS has more dollars and MLS Next side DCU doesn't even bother to have a U13 side. Rolling in cash doesn't make you want to share or spend.

Are you trying to explain why Acadamies on the girls side will vacuum up talent?

Businesses don't run charities. How would NWSL academies come remotely close to breaking even while offering free soccer to about 1,500 kids?

You don’t understand professional academy economics. The MLS Academies are in their infancy, but eventually, it is a break-even paid for via transfer fees and homegrown discounts.

That said, a NWSL academy would get to a sustainable business much faster than the MLS Academies due to the demand side for talent.

What demand for talent are you talking about? College players are better. It would take years to put academies together and when they do --- NWSL teams could not pay any significant transfer fees. Almost all of the teams are money losing.

Most top colleges try to recruit MLSN Academy players

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do MLS clubs even turn a profit? No way nwsl clubs do. My daughter knows her future career won't be in NWSL, she wants to go to a good college and play soccer on her way to a real job/career. It is what 95% of girls and their families want. This announcement changes nothing.

Have any of you ever actually attended an nwsl game? It's clear their target audience is LGBT, not kids or families. So much pride shoved down your throat. Team stores are loaded with pride themed gear, but players kits can't be purchased. The NWSL will never generate profit until they broaden their audience beyond the LGBT mafia. As-is, they can't find an academy pipeline and why would they? ECNL does it for them at no cost.

I think this is wrong. That is like 10 years old. Target audience is kids/families. That is not the issue. Issue is that while they are growing there is a cap as to how big they could get. And at their best they could not support anything other than the club and a modest profit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unless the NWSL is free like MLS academies I don’t see how they will make a dent in what ECNL is doing. Some NWSL clubs already have academies but I don’t think any of them are highly ranked.

The facts are most girls want to goto college before playing pro. Until the women’s game can start getting larger checks for their bench players that will always be the case.

You say the same things on every forum. It gets old.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6001750/2024/12/17/nwsl-expansion-denver/

The source said that the expansion fee is in the range of $105 to $120 million, which was also reported by Sportico

MLS just charged San Diego $500m. MLS has more dollars and MLS Next side DCU doesn't even bother to have a U13 side. Rolling in cash doesn't make you want to share or spend.

Are you trying to explain why Acadamies on the girls side will vacuum up talent?

Businesses don't run charities. How would NWSL academies come remotely close to breaking even while offering free soccer to about 1,500 kids?

You don’t understand professional academy economics. The MLS Academies are in their infancy, but eventually, it is a break-even paid for via transfer fees and homegrown discounts.

That said, a NWSL academy would get to a sustainable business much faster than the MLS Academies due to the demand side for talent.

What demand for talent are you talking about? College players are better. It would take years to put academies together and when they do --- NWSL teams could not pay any significant transfer fees. Almost all of the teams are money losing.

Most top colleges try to recruit MLSN Academy players

Right. They are the best on the boys' side. But that has nothing to do with the girls side or transfer fees. Colleges don't pay transfer fees.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I don’t mind pride day but maybe not on fathers or Mother’s Day.

We don't go to Spirit games in June.

I can imagine the stands smell like comfortable shoes and Subaru outbacks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unless the NWSL is free like MLS academies I don’t see how they will make a dent in what ECNL is doing. Some NWSL clubs already have academies but I don’t think any of them are highly ranked.

The facts are most girls want to goto college before playing pro. Until the women’s game can start getting larger checks for their bench players that will always be the case.

You say the same things on every forum. It gets old.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6001750/2024/12/17/nwsl-expansion-denver/

The source said that the expansion fee is in the range of $105 to $120 million, which was also reported by Sportico

MLS just charged San Diego $500m. MLS has more dollars and MLS Next side DCU doesn't even bother to have a U13 side. Rolling in cash doesn't make you want to share or spend.

Are you trying to explain why Acadamies on the girls side will vacuum up talent?

Businesses don't run charities. How would NWSL academies come remotely close to breaking even while offering free soccer to about 1,500 kids?

You don’t understand professional academy economics. The MLS Academies are in their infancy, but eventually, it is a break-even paid for via transfer fees and homegrown discounts.

That said, a NWSL academy would get to a sustainable business much faster than the MLS Academies due to the demand side for talent.

What demand for talent are you talking about? College players are better. It would take years to put academies together and when they do --- NWSL teams could not pay any significant transfer fees. Almost all of the teams are money losing.

Most top colleges try to recruit MLSN Academy players

Right. They are the best on the boys' side. But that has nothing to do with the girls side or transfer fees. Colleges don't pay transfer fees.

Ok so the top boys league is now working with GA. Doesn't this ring bells in the back of your head that it might be an issue for girls ECNL.