NYC Desegregation Plan

[Anonymous]

Given all the discussion about the selection process for CES and middle school magnet programs here in MoCo, folks might find the following article about a plan for increasing diversity in NYC schools of interest.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/06/nyregion/middle-school-admission-desegregation-nyc.html?action=click&module=MoreInSection&pgtype=Article®ion=Footer&contentCollection=New%20York

[Anonymous]

Academic Desegregation. It's almost as great a plan as DeBlasio's latest idea to reserve 20% of spots at the elite magnet high schools for underrepresented minorities.

[Anonymous]

I don't mind the intent or spirit, which to me seems to be looking for a different/better way to deal with an intractable problem - achievement gap - that has many causes. (I don't believe that public schools can overcome those causes, at least not without a massive infusion of resources, but because kids are supposed to go to school, schools are forced to at least try.) But the article notes that a mixed-level class works for all students with well-trained teachers who use a "targeted approach to each child's level of achievement." The likelihood of that will be the case of high-performing students is, in my view, very low.

[Anonymous]

We will see how long that lasts once the school’s scores start plummeting, suspensions skyrocket and the smart kids get held up (literally and figuratively).

[Anonymous]

Will not work for NYC or MCPS. The liberals don’t understand and politicians only want attention / votes

[Anonymous]

Why don't the kids/parents just try harder. Many of the Asian American students who make it to magnets are from lower income families. Not all Asian Americans are wealthy, nor are their parents educated. Some of these parents will borrow money to send their kids to after school tutoring.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why don't the kids/parents just try harder. Many of the Asian American students who make it to magnets are from lower income families. Not all Asian Americans are wealthy, nor are their parents educated. Some of these parents will borrow money to send their kids to after school tutoring.

Welfare culture is a thing.

[Anonymous]

Interesting article. Thanks for posting.

I could definitely see something like that being tried in MCPS. And, could see the BOE getting totally behind it.

We'll have to see how it pans out in NY.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why don't the kids/parents just try harder. Many of the Asian American students who make it to magnets are from lower income families. Not all Asian Americans are wealthy, nor are their parents educated. Some of these parents will borrow money to send their kids to after school tutoring.

Why do these children need 'after school tutoring' to begin with? To cheat the system?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting article. Thanks for posting.

I could definitely see something like that being tried in MCPS. And, could see the BOE getting totally behind it.

We'll have to see how it pans out in NY.

And I don't see anything wrong with it. Take top 10% from each school; if those grades were really hard-earned, and not just inflated, the kids from every school should be able to do fine in magnets. Admittedly, some will do better, some will do worse, but hey, a C has never killed anyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't mind the intent or spirit, which to me seems to be looking for a different/better way to deal with an intractable problem - achievement gap - that has many causes. (I don't believe that public schools can overcome those causes, at least not without a massive infusion of resources, but because kids are supposed to go to school, schools are forced to at least try.) But the article notes that a mixed-level class works for all students with well-trained teachers who use a "targeted approach to each child's level of achievement." The likelihood of that will be the case of high-performing students is, in my view, very low.

in europe this mixed class BS only worked if the class sizes were small and/or there were two full-time teachers in the classroom. HS would be 10-12 person discussions, for science, math, literature. Similar to a LAC.

guess this is the soup du jour for 10 years and then back to the drawing board.

[Anonymous]

Isn’t this what Texas does for college? I thought they insured the top percentile from each HS has a place at the flagship U.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why don't the kids/parents just try harder. Many of the Asian American students who make it to magnets are from lower income families. Not all Asian Americans are wealthy, nor are their parents educated. Some of these parents will borrow money to send their kids to after school tutoring.

Why do these children need 'after school tutoring' to begin with? To cheat the system?

They need after school tutoring to make up what they haven’t learned well or enough at school. Whoever does not work hard and achieve poorly by still go to magnets are cheating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why don't the kids/parents just try harder. Many of the Asian American students who make it to magnets are from lower income families. Not all Asian Americans are wealthy, nor are their parents educated. Some of these parents will borrow money to send their kids to after school tutoring.

Why do these children need 'after school tutoring' to begin with? To cheat the system?

They need after school tutoring to make up what they haven’t learned well or enough at school. Whoever does not work hard and achieve poorly by still go to magnets are cheating.

No one needs after school tutoring to get into magnets. This is ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting article. Thanks for posting.

I could definitely see something like that being tried in MCPS. And, could see the BOE getting totally behind it.

We'll have to see how it pans out in NY.

And I don't see anything wrong with it. Take top 10% from each school; if those grades were really hard-earned, and not just inflated, the kids from every school should be able to do fine in magnets. Admittedly, some will do better, some will do worse, but hey, a C has never killed anyone.

Did you read the NY Times article? It does not sound like that is what they are doing. They are putting the lower performing kids into these programs. NOT the top 10% at each school.

I would agree that taking the top 10% wouldn't be a problem. But, this program wants to take kids with LOW scores to increase 'academic diversity'.