NYC Desegregation Plan

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Anonymous wrote:Paying someone to give you an advantage is totally fineand doping should be totally allowed in the Olympics too!

sure, disqualify any participant who hired a private coach or spent extra time on practising.

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It's certainly much easier to call others "cheaters" instead of taking the challenge of achieving more academically. Those complainers never realize that it's the "cheaters" who keep MCPS afloat and still being regarded a "good school district", which attracts resources to the MCPS system. Without the "cheaters" and their high scores, MCPS's reputation would be on a par with PGPS.

X100 The people crying about academic prep being cheating are not the URM folks its the entitled UMC white folks. They want the spot without doing the work. We should applaud kids that strive hard outside of school to score high the same way we applaud sports kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Why don't the kids/parents just try harder. Many of the Asian American students who make it to magnets are from lower income families. Not all Asian Americans are wealthy, nor are their parents educated. Some of these parents will borrow money to send their kids to after school tutoring.

Why do these children need 'after school tutoring' to begin with? To cheat the system?

You are part of the problem as is anyone who sees studying more and working harder as "cheating the system"

The magnets are now for the hardest working? ok, settled.

Hardest working and smartest. Is that okay now? No one acquires knowledge by sitting on their ass, just like you don't make a basketball player or great musician by not practicing extra.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Paying someone to give you an advantage is totally fineand doping should be totally allowed in the Olympics too!

sure, disqualify any participant who hired a private coach or spent extra time on practicing.

Yes, private coaches, after school camps is promoting cheating. Can't these kids obtain this skills out of their 1 day a week P.E. class?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why don't the kids/parents just try harder. Many of the Asian American students who make it to magnets are from lower income families. Not all Asian Americans are wealthy, nor are their parents educated. Some of these parents will borrow money to send their kids to after school tutoring.

Why do these children need 'after school tutoring' to begin with? To cheat the system?

You are part of the problem as is anyone who sees studying more and working harder as "cheating the system"

The magnets are now for the hardest working? ok, settled.

Hardest working and smartest. Is that okay now? No one acquires knowledge by sitting on their ass, just like you don't make a basketball player or great musician by not practicing extra.

these can be mutually exclusive you know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Paying someone to give you an advantage is totally fineand doping should be totally allowed in the Olympics too!

sure, disqualify any participant who hired a private coach or spent extra time on practicing.

Yes, private coaches, after school camps is promoting cheating. Can't these kids obtain this skills out of their 1 day a week P.E. class?

haha. 30 mins a week. haha.

No, that's why they show up in 6th grade with PE 3-4x a week and have a meltdown. Then try to get out of gym for the rest of their lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Given all the discussion about the selection process for CES and middle school magnet programs here in MoCo, folks might find the following article about a plan for increasing diversity in NYC schools of interest.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/06/nyregion/middle-school-admission-desegregation-nyc.html?action=click&module=MoreInSection&pgtype=Article®ion=Footer&contentCollection=New%20York

Another great idea funded by China (or was it Russia?) to keep our students behind theirs so they can slowly but surely catch up.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why don't the kids/parents just try harder. Many of the Asian American students who make it to magnets are from lower income families. Not all Asian Americans are wealthy, nor are their parents educated. Some of these parents will borrow money to send their kids to after school tutoring.

Why do these children need 'after school tutoring' to begin with? To cheat the system?

You are part of the problem as is anyone who sees studying more and working harder as "cheating the system"

The magnets are now for the hardest working? ok, settled.

Hardest working and smartest. Is that okay now? No one acquires knowledge by sitting on their ass, just like you don't make a basketball player or great musician by not practicing extra.

I would add that a child who is not willing to work hard is not going to do well in the middle school or especially in the high school magnets. This is why the selection process has included teacher recs and personal essays. You have to be smart and motivated and have a decent work ethic to be successful. Can you get through the program without the latter two characteristics? Yes but it would be super stressful and your grades would suck because magnet teachers don't think twice about giving students Cs, Ds etc when they don't do well. The expectations are high especially in the high school magnets.
Can you get through high school physics and chemistry in one semester in 9th grade or through the entire AP Stats curriculum in one semester (this is at Blair SMAC) without doing a decent number of worksheets and reading? Maybe but you are probably not going to learn as much (or do as well). I am sure there are a handful of students who are so, so amazingly smart they just understand and remember everything without having to work but these students are the minority.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Given all the discussion about the selection process for CES and middle school magnet programs here in MoCo, folks might find the following article about a plan for increasing diversity in NYC schools of interest.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/06/nyregion/middle-school-admission-desegregation-nyc.html?action=click&module=MoreInSection&pgtype=Article®ion=Footer&contentCollection=New%20York

Another great idea funded by China (or was it Russia?) to keep our students behind theirs so they can slowly but surely catch up.

Dude, China and Russia are already ahead in STEM (that's why all those Chinese PhDs and Russian programmers live in MoCo on work visas, trying to prep their offspring to get into TPMS). As for red-bloodied US-born native-speakers, they all should benefit from enriched curriculum, not just second-generation Asians.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Paying someone to give you an advantage is totally fineand doping should be totally allowed in the Olympics too!

sure, disqualify any participant who hired a private coach or spent extra time on practicing.

Yes, private coaches, after school camps is promoting cheating. Can't these kids obtain this skills out of their 1 day a week P.E. class?

There is a difference - in case you didn't notice - between a public good, such as public education, and professional, or semi-professional, sports ran for profit. NFL is not financed by taxes, so your analogy is flawed.

BTW, are you Asian?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Paying someone to give you an advantage is totally fineand doping should be totally allowed in the Olympics too!

sure, disqualify any participant who hired a private coach or spent extra time on practicing.

Yes, private coaches, after school camps is promoting cheating. Can't these kids obtain this skills out of their 1 day a week P.E. class?

There is a difference - in case you didn't notice - between a public good, such as public education, and professional, or semi-professional, sports ran for profit. NFL is not financed by taxes, so your analogy is flawed.

BTW, are you Asian?

DP.. so in your world it's ok to "cheat" for an organization that is private but not for one that is public? If an organization is publicly financed then you shouldn't study harder to give you an edge? I have never heard that studying extra at home is considered "cheating". All those kids who decide to read a bit extra at home must be cheating. Who knew. Prepping is nothing more than extra studying. If a student decides to put in that extra effort, that's not cheating. That's just someone who is willing to work harder.

In what world is trying harder considered "cheating"?

I'm Asian. My DC who went to magnet never prepped or was tutored.

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DP.. so in your world it's ok to "cheat" for an organization that is private but not for one that is public? If an organization is publicly financed then you shouldn't study harder to give you an edge? I have never heard that studying extra at home is considered "cheating". All those kids who decide to read a bit extra at home must be cheating. Who knew. Prepping is nothing more than extra studying. If a student decides to put in that extra effort, that's not cheating. That's just someone who is willing to work harder.

In what world is trying harder considered "cheating"?

I'm Asian. My DC who went to magnet never prepped or was tutored.

I have never heard anybody referring to extra studying at home as "prepping", let alone as "cheating".

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I googled Tuturing in Bethesda. Here are the list of tutoring service listed in Bethesda:
Prep Matters
College Nannies & Tutoring
Pre U
Bethesda Tutoring
Mathnasium in Bethesda
Marks Edu
C2
Appletoth Tutoring
Club E
Huntington
Spider Smart
Kumon
...
...
Who goes to these tutoring service? Asians? White? URM?
I thought most Asian students go to Aplus and D.r Li

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Anonymous wrote:there are all sorts of "special schools and programs" in this county and in this county, but the crown jewels are always those require test-in. In a few years, those schools will be nothing special. If a student is well-qualified, the test requirement should not an obstacle at all.

There are ZERO "special schools and programs" in west Bethesda and only 1 in general Bethesda. The chevy chase CES for 4th and 5th grade. Other than that zero language immersion special programs, zero science special programs, zero liberal arts special programs, zero LD special programs, zero engineering special programs, zero MS magnet schools, zero HS magnet schools.

Any special schools and programs would require lengthy commutes in rush hour or relocating.

County does not care, MCPS does not care. The mindset is the parents can take care of all of that stuff for those Bethesda kids, out side of school, with their own after-tax money.

WJ has apex program. BCC has IB. NBMS has a GT/LD program.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:there are all sorts of "special schools and programs" in this county and in this county, but the crown jewels are always those require test-in. In a few years, those schools will be nothing special. If a student is well-qualified, the test requirement should not an obstacle at all.

There are ZERO "special schools and programs" in west Bethesda and only 1 in general Bethesda. The chevy chase CES for 4th and 5th grade. Other than that zero language immersion special programs, zero science special programs, zero liberal arts special programs, zero LD special programs, zero engineering special programs, zero MS magnet schools, zero HS magnet schools.

Any special schools and programs would require lengthy commutes in rush hour or relocating.

County does not care, MCPS does not care. The mindset is the parents can take care of all of that stuff for those Bethesda kids, out side of school, with their own after-tax money.

WJ has apex program. BCC has IB. NBMS has a GT/LD program.

There is Chinese immersion at a Potomac Es, which then continues on at Hoover Ms and Churchill HS. Both Whitman and Wootton have PLTW engineering/stem programs available for interested kids. RM IB magnet is in the western part of the county.