APS elementary planning initiative called off

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Anonymous wrote:I was at that meeting. Those yellow shirts were insufferable.

Right right. All the other schools with shirts were just fine but the yellow shirt folks were insufferable. Since you were there how many yellow shirt people were there?

We we happy deride the Henry to Fleet shirts. SB should just consider facts, not silk screened posses.

But to Henry credit, their goal was to keep the school together. The ASFS yellow shirts just didn’t want to lose their building and include the walk zone, and don’t speak to keeping community together

Get over yourself. By your logic, no boundaries should ever be redrawn anywhere because it would mean removing someone from a community. If that’s the best argument you have, maybe rezoning ASFS really is the right thing to do.

It wasn’t about rezoning per se, it’s about subjecting an entire neighborhood to the longest non-option bus ride just so you can get your walkzone NOW.

As opposed to when? When do you think ASFS should get a walkzone just like every other neighborhood school has? Someone has to have the longest ride, why are your children too precious for it? Are they just not as capable of coping as the kids at the eastern side of the Ashlawn zone? The northern end of the Abingdon zone?

1100 n Kenmore at the Eastern tip of the zone to Ashlawn is 2.3 miles, from the Quarterdeck Restaurant to Taylor is at least 3.2 depending on the route, so the distance really is farther even without considering what kind of traffic you’re likely to hit on the way.

That said, I don’t think the way Ashlawn boundary is drawn is good and I think we should be trying to fix that rather than make more like it. Make Key neighborhood, make Carlin Spring or Barcroft immersion, and then try to draw reasonably equitable boundaries.

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So when? When would it be acceptable for ASFS to get a walk zone? Seriously, I live nowhere near there but I am so tired of your self-absorbed nonsense. Your children are not too fragile for a three mile bus ride.

I hope they rezone ASFS with a nice big walk zone and find a way to implement it in 2019.

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Anonymous wrote:I was at that meeting. Those yellow shirts were insufferable.

Right right. All the other schools with shirts were just fine but the yellow shirt folks were insufferable. Since you were there how many yellow shirt people were there?

I think we all agree matching shirts=jackasses

If you look at the video, you can see the following asfs staff wearing yellow shirts in the audience:
— the school registrar
— the gym teacher
— the science teacher
— another person who works in the front office
Along with two now former pta officers and their spouses.

The staff getting involved along with the pta weirdness is what lit the match on asfs. Keep in mind those were custom printed shirts, it would have taken weeks to coordinate that.

That meeting was in April. The process started in January. That is more than enough time for any minimally competent person to get shirts made (especially since CustomInk will do them for you in three days if you pay for rush shipping) without some grand conspiracy.

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Anonymous wrote:So when? When would it be acceptable for ASFS to get a walk zone? Seriously, I live nowhere near there but I am so tired of your self-absorbed nonsense. Your children are not too fragile for a three mile bus ride.

I hope they rezone ASFS with a nice big walk zone and find a way to implement it in 2019.

3 miles through the heaviest traffic in Arlington. Thanks for being so considerate.

The right answer is to wait to 2021 when system has more capacity, and they can adjust boundaries more judiciously rather than caving to yellow shirts for WALK ZONE NOW.

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Anonymous wrote:So when? When would it be acceptable for ASFS to get a walk zone? Seriously, I live nowhere near there but I am so tired of your self-absorbed nonsense. Your children are not too fragile for a three mile bus ride.

I hope they rezone ASFS with a nice big walk zone and find a way to implement it in 2019.

3 miles through the heaviest traffic in Arlington. Thanks for being so considerate.

The right answer is to wait to 2021 when system has more capacity, and they can adjust boundaries more judiciously rather than caving to yellow shirts for WALK ZONE NOW.

FFS, stop going into hysterics that just because someone posts here that they want something to happen means it's automatically going to happen. You are embarrassing yourself.

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Can’t do a walk zone until Key becomes a neighborhood school.

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Anonymous wrote:We are so far into stupid territory now, I feel like I lose brain cells every time I open this thread.

This is why they need to draw those boundaries now, so we can all stop wasting our time with this insanity.

No, that just gives us two rounds of stupid on ASFS. Now and in two years when they refine it before Reed opens.

That's why the entire boundary needs to be done for 2019. No reason to extend the pain.

That will mean the boundaries to be implemented for 2021 will be based on projections that are three years out of date at that point. They have been very explicit on this, any boundaries drawn now for 2021 will be checked again in 2020 to make sure they are still appropriate at that time. Again with the stupid.

Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it so. You hear the echo chamber? Sounds loud to me.

Projections are fairly stable. They might make a couple planning unit refinements here and there for 2021 to ASFS, but the big change will be in 2019.

Projections are fine, but they can't project what the decision will be on moving options schools, which politically they want to make the decision close to implementation time so less time for backpedaling. They can decide in 2018 to move Key to Nottingham in 2021, but that's 3 years of gnashing teeth and matched t-shirts at every school board meeting. If they just table No Arlington, MAYBE move a few southern ASFS boundary PUs to LB if Fleet gives it breathing room, that's all they can do until the final decision on option locations is set.

Key isn't moving to Nottingham, APS already said the only program that would work at Nottingham is ATS. Immersion already struggles to attract enough spanish-speaking students, moving it away from spanish-speaking families will only make it worse. Putting ATS north of Lee Highway is just as shitty an idea because whether they put it at Nottingham or Tuckahoe there will be hundreds of families who could just as easily walk to ATS as to their neighborhood school, they will flood ATS with applications and UMC SA families can kiss it goodbye.

YES! I don’t understand why more people weren’t seeing this. Moving ATS to any NW school would only lessen economic diversity. You cannot increase diversity with the existing lottery system.

They aren't talking about moving an option school to the NW to increase diversity. It's because they done messed up and promised a neighborhood school at Reed after they just built Discovwry and they'll have too many seats all in one quadrant with overlapping walk zones and not enough seats in all the rest of the county. They want an option school somewhere up there so that they can even out enrollment, because they don't have the money to build another school for many years, and the boundaries they'd have to draw to make all schools equally full without an option school up there will be insane. I guess we'll get to see them. They'll probably look some some gerrymandered congressional district boundaries. They won't be "neighborhood" schools anymore anyway with the way they'll have to carve them up.

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t do a walk zone until Key becomes a neighborhood school.

Untrue

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Anonymous wrote:We are so far into stupid territory now, I feel like I lose brain cells every time I open this thread.

This is why they need to draw those boundaries now, so we can all stop wasting our time with this insanity.

No, that just gives us two rounds of stupid on ASFS. Now and in two years when they refine it before Reed opens.

That's why the entire boundary needs to be done for 2019. No reason to extend the pain.

That will mean the boundaries to be implemented for 2021 will be based on projections that are three years out of date at that point. They have been very explicit on this, any boundaries drawn now for 2021 will be checked again in 2020 to make sure they are still appropriate at that time. Again with the stupid.

Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it so. You hear the echo chamber? Sounds loud to me.

Projections are fairly stable. They might make a couple planning unit refinements here and there for 2021 to ASFS, but the big change will be in 2019.

Projections are fine, but they can't project what the decision will be on moving options schools, which politically they want to make the decision close to implementation time so less time for backpedaling. They can decide in 2018 to move Key to Nottingham in 2021, but that's 3 years of gnashing teeth and matched t-shirts at every school board meeting. If they just table No Arlington, MAYBE move a few southern ASFS boundary PUs to LB if Fleet gives it breathing room, that's all they can do until the final decision on option locations is set.

Key isn't moving to Nottingham, APS already said the only program that would work at Nottingham is ATS. Immersion already struggles to attract enough spanish-speaking students, moving it away from spanish-speaking families will only make it worse. Putting ATS north of Lee Highway is just as shitty an idea because whether they put it at Nottingham or Tuckahoe there will be hundreds of families who could just as easily walk to ATS as to their neighborhood school, they will flood ATS with applications and UMC SA families can kiss it goodbye.

YES! I don’t understand why more people weren’t seeing this. Moving ATS to any NW school would only lessen economic diversity. You cannot increase diversity with the existing lottery system.

They aren't talking about moving an option school to the NW to increase diversity. It's because they done messed up and promised a neighborhood school at Reed after they just built Discovwry and they'll have too many seats all in one quadrant with overlapping walk zones and not enough seats in all the rest of the county. They want an option school somewhere up there so that they can even out enrollment, because they don't have the money to build another school for many years, and the boundaries they'd have to draw to make all schools equally full without an option school up there will be insane. I guess we'll get to see them. They'll probably look some some gerrymandered congressional district boundaries. They won't be "neighborhood" schools anymore anyway with the way they'll have to carve them up.

You could fill Reed with the excess students at McKinley and a bunch of Ashlawn to make room for kids from south of 50. Boundaries for school north of Lee can largely stay the same, those school are all basically full already.

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Anonymous wrote:I was at that meeting. Those yellow shirts were insufferable.

Right right. All the other schools with shirts were just fine but the yellow shirt folks were insufferable. Since you were there how many yellow shirt people were there?

I think we all agree matching shirts=jackasses

If you look at the video, you can see the following asfs staff wearing yellow shirts in the audience:
— the school registrar
— the gym teacher
— the science teacher
— another person who works in the front office
Along with two now former pta officers and their spouses.

The staff getting involved along with the pta weirdness is what lit the match on asfs. Keep in mind those were custom printed shirts, it would have taken weeks to coordinate that.

Yeah avoid answering the tough question, and re-direct.

The science teacher and gym teacher only spoke to say don't make the school an option school and oppose the Key swap. No one said anything about kicking students out.

...Rosslyn, Courthouse, and Clarendon on a witch hunt again.

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Anonymous wrote:Can’t do a walk zone until Key becomes a neighborhood school.

Untrue

How do you see that happening with a contiguous boundary? It just won't work. Too many kids. Not unless you preclude Key from becoming a neighborhood school, which would be stupid.

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Anyone else about ready to give Rosslyn back to DC?

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Anonymous wrote:What's really interesting is that if you just read the comments in this thread without knowing what actually happened in the election, you get the impression the Cherrydale people flocked to the meeting to vote out Rosslyn people and get a Cherrydale-centered PTA board that would push for a walk zone. In reality, it appears that it was Rosslyn people who flocked to the meeting to vote out Cherrydale-area board members in favor of Rosslyn people.

A Cherrydale centered PTA with participants who did not have students attending the school.

Further, that Cherrydale focused PTA were lottery parents; do think of the Rosslyn PTA members were advocating to the school board to remove lottery families, there would not have been a similar response?

Isn't that what Rosslyn PTA members want to do now? From what I've read on this thread, they seem to hate them all and want them removed from the school?

Very likely that is what they want now, but its a response to the pre-emptive actions from Cherrydale community members making space for themselves at the expense of current Rosslyn students. A bit different; Rosslyn parents were part of the group recommending the Buck site, which is an inclusive approach to make space for all who want to attend their neighborhood school.

Absolutely incorrect. The whole Buck idea was originally thought of and advocated for those who live near the school. They were advocating to expand the school onto Buck last year during the Options and Transfer process, before the Rosslyn folks even understood what was going on. The fact is the Rosslyn/Courthosue crew is an angry and vindictive group who have said and done some really nasty things to several really good people. These same people who were ironically advocating for them. So sad.

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https://commissions.arlingtonva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2017/06/Buck-May-3-Notes.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:What's really interesting is that if you just read the comments in this thread without knowing what actually happened in the election, you get the impression the Cherrydale people flocked to the meeting to vote out Rosslyn people and get a Cherrydale-centered PTA board that would push for a walk zone. In reality, it appears that it was Rosslyn people who flocked to the meeting to vote out Cherrydale-area board members in favor of Rosslyn people.

A Cherrydale centered PTA with participants who did not have students attending the school.

Further, that Cherrydale focused PTA were lottery parents; do think of the Rosslyn PTA members were advocating to the school board to remove lottery families, there would not have been a similar response?

Isn't that what Rosslyn PTA members want to do now? From what I've read on this thread, they seem to hate them all and want them removed from the school?

Very likely that is what they want now, but its a response to the pre-emptive actions from Cherrydale community members making space for themselves at the expense of current Rosslyn students. A bit different; Rosslyn parents were part of the group recommending the Buck site, which is an inclusive approach to make space for all who want to attend their neighborhood school.

Absolutely incorrect. The whole Buck idea was originally thought of and advocated for those who live near the school. They were advocating to expand the school onto Buck last year during the Options and Transfer process, before the Rosslyn folks even understood what was going on. The fact is the Rosslyn/Courthosue crew is an angry and vindictive group who have said and done some really nasty things to several really good people. These same people who were ironically advocating for them. So sad.

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https://commissions.arlingtonva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2017/06/Buck-May-3-Notes.pdf

Exactly they were advocating expanding the space for themselves — to accelerate the adoption of a walk zone. When that tied turned, it was the complaints about traffic and Rosslyn is already going on a bus, so send them to Taylor. We are just saying put the breaks on adding to an overcapacity school until 2021 when the system will have a clearer picture. If you add the Cherrydale walkzone, there isn’t space and someone has to be pushed out — do Cherrydale residents all hate Taylor this much to go to this lengths ; it isn’t like when they moved here they didn’t know the zoned school. Just be patient and chill.

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Anonymous wrote:So when? When would it be acceptable for ASFS to get a walk zone? Seriously, I live nowhere near there but I am so tired of your self-absorbed nonsense. Your children are not too fragile for a three mile bus ride.

I hope they rezone ASFS with a nice big walk zone and find a way to implement it in 2019.

3 miles through the heaviest traffic in Arlington. Thanks for being so considerate.

The right answer is to wait to 2021 when system has more capacity, and they can adjust boundaries more judiciously rather than caving to yellow shirts for WALK ZONE NOW.

FFS, stop going into hysterics that just because someone posts here that they want something to happen means it's automatically going to happen. You are embarrassing yourself.

Hysterics? I’m not the one cursing nor calling people self-absorbed.