Succession - Season 4

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Anonymous wrote:I 100% thought that the death was a huge hoax by Logan - that he was testing his kids to see how they would react to his death and what they would say to him in those last minutes. I fully expected him to walk into the boat and make some awful, disparaging remarks to them, after humiliating them. Glad that didn’t happen - that would have just been too cruel.

I was especially moved by both Kendall and Tom in this episode. Tom was so kind to Shiv.

The dialogue is getting weaker and weaker - so many f*cks peppering the conversation. It’s beyond old and strikes me as lazy.

I found Tom fascinating in this episode because I think he genuinely felt for Shiv in that moment, but I also think his kindness was at least 30% him realizing that with Logan dead, Shiv is his only real lifeline. Without her, he’s all the way out.

And I love how there were thematic parallels between that situation and Connor/Willa, with Connor straight up asking Willa if she was just in it fir the money and her getting very honest that the money is absolutely a big part of it for her.

I think the dialogue was very f**k heavy in this episode because everyone was in shock and didn’t know what to say, and people get kind of dumb in that situation. It’s realistic— people don’t give eloquent speeches in this situation. They can’t really process their feelings fast enough.

PP here and I agree with 99% of your post. But the f*ck issue is in every.single.episode. It's almost as if they're told to ad lib and they use constant profanity as a crutch while they think of what to say. Either that or the writers are incredibly lazy.

What if the writers aren’t lazy but the kids just aren’t that smart and they can’t think of what to say? Shiv, Roman, Tom, Greg are all pretty inarticulate and sub curse words for original thoughts. I think it’s very intentional that the writers use curse words instead of anything else.

There are some hilarious dirty insults. Incredibly witty and fast paced.

https://www.sciencealert.com/swearing-is-a-sign-of-more-intelligence-not-less-say-scientists/amp

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/26/health/swearing-benefits-wellness/index.html

I have run in some highly intellectual, extremely wealthy circles and it’s an art form.

Dolts on dcum get their panties in a twist and mistake it for being classless. It couldn’t be further from the reality.

And I loved VEEP with Selena and Dan and Amy’s profanity Abe hilarious cut downs.

Well, it can be both classless and common to the upper classes at the same time. Let's not confuse money with taste, sensitivity, or manners.

+1. One thing the show nails is how Kendall dresses obnoxiously casually all the time because he doesn't feel he has to dress up for anything. He wears sweatshirts to the office. He wore a baseball cap to his brother's rehearsal dinner, where he barely acknowledged it was a rehearsal dinner and stayed for 20 minutes. He did bother to wear a suit to the wedding itself, but no tie and didn't button his shirt all the way. Yes, I get some of these are "fashion" choices, but the point is that he feels he can simply make a personal style choice no matter the venue or occasion because he's very rich and doesn't feel he has to conform to social norms. And sure, his sweatshirts and baseball caps likely cost more than many people's wedding gowns, but that doesn't magically make them more formal or respectful to others.

People made a big deal about Shiv's ponytail at the wedding but lots of very wealthy women dress kind of terribly or have sloppy hair or clothes. Again, they might spend a lot on it, but that doesn't mean it looks that way or that they feel like they have to conform to anyone's expectations.

The swearing is the same. These are people who are used to not having to play by the rules. Sometimes they choose to be sophisticated, but they don't have to -- they can say f**k all they want, dress down, treat people poorly, etc., and unlike for the rest of us, there are no consequences. None of them is getting fired for swearing or not following a dress code. They won't lose friends over it either, because their friends are all there because of the money, too. I mean, Willa married Connor while openly admitting the money was a major reason why (and let's get real, any affection she has for him was developed after latching onto him for the money).

The poor language and bad clothes are of a piece with their overall awful behavior. The whole point of this show is that these people do not have to play by the same rules as the rest of us. People who don't understand that are like the people who rooted for Tony Soprano and Walter White. The point just whooshing right over their simple minds.

What a strange, strange post - especially your last sentences. But I get that you think you're far sharper and more clever than everyone else.
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What is strange about it? This is a well-known phenomenon -- people who root for the anti-heroes in shows that show them at their worst. Lots of people absolutely rooted for Tony and Walter to get away with their criminal behavior (including murder), and plenty of people root for the people on Succession to successfully get away with their own bad behavior (including stuff like Kendall getting away with killing that kid in the car crash) or chuckle at stuff like Roman's rocket exploding or all the malfeasance/abuse that occurred in Waystar's cruise business. Being able to watch these shows and not forget your ethical compass, and be able to empathize with these people without actually rooting for them to successfully kill, swindle, exploit, etc., is not a sign of being sharper or more clever, but it is a sign of having more self-awareness and not being so easily swayed by a work of fiction.

OMG.

?? What is your problem?

NP just spitballing here but probably the smug attitude exhibited in the previous post. That PP would probably scold people for admiring Robin Hood, the dirty rotten thief.

Uuuuh, rooting for the Roy family is not akin to rooting for Robin Hood (well Ewan might be kind of, but notice he only intends to give his money to Greenpeace after he dies). It actually does sound to me like your moral compass is broken here. Might be why you were so triggered by the prior comments.

DP. You've been talking to multiple posters, all of whom agree that you're a sanctimonious twit. It's a show - get over yourself.

I'm a DP, and disagree with you. I thought the PP's analysis was interesting and don't really get why you are (or all of you, if there are multiple) are so worked up about it. It's definitely true that people sometimes start rooting for anti-heroes and are weirdly comfortably overlooking really horrible behavior. I've even read interviews with creators of shows like this who express surprise about how much people will root for characters they've written to be terrible.

Also, if the Roy's are characters in Robin Hood, they are obviously Prince John, trying to steal the kingdom from the king (though that makes Logan Good King Richard, which doesn't track -- it's actually a pretty poor analogy).

Anyway, if you don't agree, just move along. Posting multiple non-substantive criticisms of the PP where you just insult them and call them names is significantly less interesting to read than a theory that I may or may not agree with. At least PP put some thought into it. You are just being mindlessly nasty.

Interesting. You clearly seem unperturbed by these statements, made by the PPP in question, that repulsed everyone in the first place:

"People who don't understand that are like the people who rooted for Tony Soprano and Walter White. The point just whooshing right over their simple minds."

Being told by some smug, sanctimonious twit that everyone else is too "simple" to understand what's "really going on" gives us a real window into that PP's extremely inflated view of herself.

If you read that and felt injured or angered by it, the “sanctimonious twit” has your number.

Of course the show is making some comments about the morality of these people. If you don’t see that and I stead just unabashedly pick your favorite Roy sibling and hope they win the prize, then yes, you are missing the point.

DP. Of course the show is commenting on the morality of these people. Nobody ever said it didn't.

But Sanctimonius Twit was making a different point, which got lost in the short text clip above and in the context of his/her several posts. Here's what annoyed people:

This is a well-known phenomenon -- people who root for the anti-heroes in shows that show them at their worst. Lots of people absolutely rooted for Tony and Walter to get away with their criminal behavior (including murder), and plenty of people root for the people on Succession to successfully get away with their own bad behavior (including stuff like Kendall getting away with killing that kid in the car crash) or chuckle at stuff like Roman's rocket exploding or all the malfeasance/abuse that occurred in Waystar's cruise business. Being able to watch these shows and not forget your ethical compass, and be able to empathize with these people without actually rooting for them to successfully kill, swindle, exploit, etc., is not a sign of being sharper or more clever, but it is a sign of having more self-awareness and not being so easily swayed by a work of fiction.

==> Sanctimonius Twit is saying that if we're rooting for Shiv or Roman, then we've lost our ethical compass, we're not self-aware, we're dumb, and we're easily led by fiction. As opposed to us, you know, just having fun one night a week when we root for Shiv or Roma, and our ethical compasses, intelligence and self-awareness are just fine, thank you very much.

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Anonymous wrote:I 100% thought that the death was a huge hoax by Logan - that he was testing his kids to see how they would react to his death and what they would say to him in those last minutes. I fully expected him to walk into the boat and make some awful, disparaging remarks to them, after humiliating them. Glad that didn’t happen - that would have just been too cruel.

I was especially moved by both Kendall and Tom in this episode. Tom was so kind to Shiv.

The dialogue is getting weaker and weaker - so many f*cks peppering the conversation. It’s beyond old and strikes me as lazy.

I found Tom fascinating in this episode because I think he genuinely felt for Shiv in that moment, but I also think his kindness was at least 30% him realizing that with Logan dead, Shiv is his only real lifeline. Without her, he’s all the way out.

And I love how there were thematic parallels between that situation and Connor/Willa, with Connor straight up asking Willa if she was just in it fir the money and her getting very honest that the money is absolutely a big part of it for her.

I think the dialogue was very f**k heavy in this episode because everyone was in shock and didn’t know what to say, and people get kind of dumb in that situation. It’s realistic— people don’t give eloquent speeches in this situation. They can’t really process their feelings fast enough.

PP here and I agree with 99% of your post. But the f*ck issue is in every.single.episode. It's almost as if they're told to ad lib and they use constant profanity as a crutch while they think of what to say. Either that or the writers are incredibly lazy.

What if the writers aren’t lazy but the kids just aren’t that smart and they can’t think of what to say? Shiv, Roman, Tom, Greg are all pretty inarticulate and sub curse words for original thoughts. I think it’s very intentional that the writers use curse words instead of anything else.

There are some hilarious dirty insults. Incredibly witty and fast paced.

https://www.sciencealert.com/swearing-is-a-sign-of-more-intelligence-not-less-say-scientists/amp

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/26/health/swearing-benefits-wellness/index.html

I have run in some highly intellectual, extremely wealthy circles and it’s an art form.

Dolts on dcum get their panties in a twist and mistake it for being classless. It couldn’t be further from the reality.

And I loved VEEP with Selena and Dan and Amy’s profanity Abe hilarious cut downs.

Well, it can be both classless and common to the upper classes at the same time. Let's not confuse money with taste, sensitivity, or manners.

+1. One thing the show nails is how Kendall dresses obnoxiously casually all the time because he doesn't feel he has to dress up for anything. He wears sweatshirts to the office. He wore a baseball cap to his brother's rehearsal dinner, where he barely acknowledged it was a rehearsal dinner and stayed for 20 minutes. He did bother to wear a suit to the wedding itself, but no tie and didn't button his shirt all the way. Yes, I get some of these are "fashion" choices, but the point is that he feels he can simply make a personal style choice no matter the venue or occasion because he's very rich and doesn't feel he has to conform to social norms. And sure, his sweatshirts and baseball caps likely cost more than many people's wedding gowns, but that doesn't magically make them more formal or respectful to others.

People made a big deal about Shiv's ponytail at the wedding but lots of very wealthy women dress kind of terribly or have sloppy hair or clothes. Again, they might spend a lot on it, but that doesn't mean it looks that way or that they feel like they have to conform to anyone's expectations.

The swearing is the same. These are people who are used to not having to play by the rules. Sometimes they choose to be sophisticated, but they don't have to -- they can say f**k all they want, dress down, treat people poorly, etc., and unlike for the rest of us, there are no consequences. None of them is getting fired for swearing or not following a dress code. They won't lose friends over it either, because their friends are all there because of the money, too. I mean, Willa married Connor while openly admitting the money was a major reason why (and let's get real, any affection she has for him was developed after latching onto him for the money).

The poor language and bad clothes are of a piece with their overall awful behavior. The whole point of this show is that these people do not have to play by the same rules as the rest of us. People who don't understand that are like the people who rooted for Tony Soprano and Walter White. The point just whooshing right over their simple minds.

What a strange, strange post - especially your last sentences. But I get that you think you're far sharper and more clever than everyone else.
DP

What is strange about it? This is a well-known phenomenon -- people who root for the anti-heroes in shows that show them at their worst. Lots of people absolutely rooted for Tony and Walter to get away with their criminal behavior (including murder), and plenty of people root for the people on Succession to successfully get away with their own bad behavior (including stuff like Kendall getting away with killing that kid in the car crash) or chuckle at stuff like Roman's rocket exploding or all the malfeasance/abuse that occurred in Waystar's cruise business. Being able to watch these shows and not forget your ethical compass, and be able to empathize with these people without actually rooting for them to successfully kill, swindle, exploit, etc., is not a sign of being sharper or more clever, but it is a sign of having more self-awareness and not being so easily swayed by a work of fiction.

OMG.

?? What is your problem?

NP just spitballing here but probably the smug attitude exhibited in the previous post. That PP would probably scold people for admiring Robin Hood, the dirty rotten thief.

Uuuuh, rooting for the Roy family is not akin to rooting for Robin Hood (well Ewan might be kind of, but notice he only intends to give his money to Greenpeace after he dies). It actually does sound to me like your moral compass is broken here. Might be why you were so triggered by the prior comments.

DP. You've been talking to multiple posters, all of whom agree that you're a sanctimonious twit. It's a show - get over yourself.

I'm a DP, and disagree with you. I thought the PP's analysis was interesting and don't really get why you are (or all of you, if there are multiple) are so worked up about it. It's definitely true that people sometimes start rooting for anti-heroes and are weirdly comfortably overlooking really horrible behavior. I've even read interviews with creators of shows like this who express surprise about how much people will root for characters they've written to be terrible.

Also, if the Roy's are characters in Robin Hood, they are obviously Prince John, trying to steal the kingdom from the king (though that makes Logan Good King Richard, which doesn't track -- it's actually a pretty poor analogy).

Anyway, if you don't agree, just move along. Posting multiple non-substantive criticisms of the PP where you just insult them and call them names is significantly less interesting to read than a theory that I may or may not agree with. At least PP put some thought into it. You are just being mindlessly nasty.

Interesting. You clearly seem unperturbed by these statements, made by the PPP in question, that repulsed everyone in the first place:

"People who don't understand that are like the people who rooted for Tony Soprano and Walter White. The point just whooshing right over their simple minds."

Being told by some smug, sanctimonious twit that everyone else is too "simple" to understand what's "really going on" gives us a real window into that PP's extremely inflated view of herself.

If you read that and felt injured or angered by it, the “sanctimonious twit” has your number.

Of course the show is making some comments about the morality of these people. If you don’t see that and I stead just unabashedly pick your favorite Roy sibling and hope they win the prize, then yes, you are missing the point.

Seriously, does anybody anywhere think the Roy kids are good people worthy of admiration or emulation? No, no, no. This is a complete straw man.

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Anonymous wrote:I 100% thought that the death was a huge hoax by Logan - that he was testing his kids to see how they would react to his death and what they would say to him in those last minutes. I fully expected him to walk into the boat and make some awful, disparaging remarks to them, after humiliating them. Glad that didn’t happen - that would have just been too cruel.

I was especially moved by both Kendall and Tom in this episode. Tom was so kind to Shiv.

The dialogue is getting weaker and weaker - so many f*cks peppering the conversation. It’s beyond old and strikes me as lazy.

I found Tom fascinating in this episode because I think he genuinely felt for Shiv in that moment, but I also think his kindness was at least 30% him realizing that with Logan dead, Shiv is his only real lifeline. Without her, he’s all the way out.

And I love how there were thematic parallels between that situation and Connor/Willa, with Connor straight up asking Willa if she was just in it fir the money and her getting very honest that the money is absolutely a big part of it for her.

I think the dialogue was very f**k heavy in this episode because everyone was in shock and didn’t know what to say, and people get kind of dumb in that situation. It’s realistic— people don’t give eloquent speeches in this situation. They can’t really process their feelings fast enough.

PP here and I agree with 99% of your post. But the f*ck issue is in every.single.episode. It's almost as if they're told to ad lib and they use constant profanity as a crutch while they think of what to say. Either that or the writers are incredibly lazy.

What if the writers aren’t lazy but the kids just aren’t that smart and they can’t think of what to say? Shiv, Roman, Tom, Greg are all pretty inarticulate and sub curse words for original thoughts. I think it’s very intentional that the writers use curse words instead of anything else.

There are some hilarious dirty insults. Incredibly witty and fast paced.

https://www.sciencealert.com/swearing-is-a-sign-of-more-intelligence-not-less-say-scientists/amp

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/26/health/swearing-benefits-wellness/index.html

I have run in some highly intellectual, extremely wealthy circles and it’s an art form.

Dolts on dcum get their panties in a twist and mistake it for being classless. It couldn’t be further from the reality.

And I loved VEEP with Selena and Dan and Amy’s profanity Abe hilarious cut downs.

Well, it can be both classless and common to the upper classes at the same time. Let's not confuse money with taste, sensitivity, or manners.

+1. One thing the show nails is how Kendall dresses obnoxiously casually all the time because he doesn't feel he has to dress up for anything. He wears sweatshirts to the office. He wore a baseball cap to his brother's rehearsal dinner, where he barely acknowledged it was a rehearsal dinner and stayed for 20 minutes. He did bother to wear a suit to the wedding itself, but no tie and didn't button his shirt all the way. Yes, I get some of these are "fashion" choices, but the point is that he feels he can simply make a personal style choice no matter the venue or occasion because he's very rich and doesn't feel he has to conform to social norms. And sure, his sweatshirts and baseball caps likely cost more than many people's wedding gowns, but that doesn't magically make them more formal or respectful to others.

People made a big deal about Shiv's ponytail at the wedding but lots of very wealthy women dress kind of terribly or have sloppy hair or clothes. Again, they might spend a lot on it, but that doesn't mean it looks that way or that they feel like they have to conform to anyone's expectations.

The swearing is the same. These are people who are used to not having to play by the rules. Sometimes they choose to be sophisticated, but they don't have to -- they can say f**k all they want, dress down, treat people poorly, etc., and unlike for the rest of us, there are no consequences. None of them is getting fired for swearing or not following a dress code. They won't lose friends over it either, because their friends are all there because of the money, too. I mean, Willa married Connor while openly admitting the money was a major reason why (and let's get real, any affection she has for him was developed after latching onto him for the money).

The poor language and bad clothes are of a piece with their overall awful behavior. The whole point of this show is that these people do not have to play by the same rules as the rest of us. People who don't understand that are like the people who rooted for Tony Soprano and Walter White. The point just whooshing right over their simple minds.

What a strange, strange post - especially your last sentences. But I get that you think you're far sharper and more clever than everyone else.
DP

What is strange about it? This is a well-known phenomenon -- people who root for the anti-heroes in shows that show them at their worst. Lots of people absolutely rooted for Tony and Walter to get away with their criminal behavior (including murder), and plenty of people root for the people on Succession to successfully get away with their own bad behavior (including stuff like Kendall getting away with killing that kid in the car crash) or chuckle at stuff like Roman's rocket exploding or all the malfeasance/abuse that occurred in Waystar's cruise business. Being able to watch these shows and not forget your ethical compass, and be able to empathize with these people without actually rooting for them to successfully kill, swindle, exploit, etc., is not a sign of being sharper or more clever, but it is a sign of having more self-awareness and not being so easily swayed by a work of fiction.

OMG.

?? What is your problem?

NP just spitballing here but probably the smug attitude exhibited in the previous post. That PP would probably scold people for admiring Robin Hood, the dirty rotten thief.

Uuuuh, rooting for the Roy family is not akin to rooting for Robin Hood (well Ewan might be kind of, but notice he only intends to give his money to Greenpeace after he dies). It actually does sound to me like your moral compass is broken here. Might be why you were so triggered by the prior comments.

DP. You've been talking to multiple posters, all of whom agree that you're a sanctimonious twit. It's a show - get over yourself.

I'm a DP, and disagree with you. I thought the PP's analysis was interesting and don't really get why you are (or all of you, if there are multiple) are so worked up about it. It's definitely true that people sometimes start rooting for anti-heroes and are weirdly comfortably overlooking really horrible behavior. I've even read interviews with creators of shows like this who express surprise about how much people will root for characters they've written to be terrible.

Also, if the Roy's are characters in Robin Hood, they are obviously Prince John, trying to steal the kingdom from the king (though that makes Logan Good King Richard, which doesn't track -- it's actually a pretty poor analogy).

Anyway, if you don't agree, just move along. Posting multiple non-substantive criticisms of the PP where you just insult them and call them names is significantly less interesting to read than a theory that I may or may not agree with. At least PP put some thought into it. You are just being mindlessly nasty.

Interesting. You clearly seem unperturbed by these statements, made by the PPP in question, that repulsed everyone in the first place:

"People who don't understand that are like the people who rooted for Tony Soprano and Walter White. The point just whooshing right over their simple minds."

Being told by some smug, sanctimonious twit that everyone else is too "simple" to understand what's "really going on" gives us a real window into that PP's extremely inflated view of herself.

If you read that and felt injured or angered by it, the “sanctimonious twit” has your number.

Of course the show is making some comments about the morality of these people. If you don’t see that and I stead just unabashedly pick your favorite Roy sibling and hope they win the prize, then yes, you are missing the point.

DP. Of course the show is commenting on the morality of these people. Nobody ever said it didn't.

But Sanctimonius Twit was making a different point, which got lost in the short text clip above and in the context of his/her several posts. Here's what annoyed people:

This is a well-known phenomenon -- people who root for the anti-heroes in shows that show them at their worst. Lots of people absolutely rooted for Tony and Walter to get away with their criminal behavior (including murder), and plenty of people root for the people on Succession to successfully get away with their own bad behavior (including stuff like Kendall getting away with killing that kid in the car crash) or chuckle at stuff like Roman's rocket exploding or all the malfeasance/abuse that occurred in Waystar's cruise business. Being able to watch these shows and not forget your ethical compass, and be able to empathize with these people without actually rooting for them to successfully kill, swindle, exploit, etc., is not a sign of being sharper or more clever, but it is a sign of having more self-awareness and not being so easily swayed by a work of fiction.

==> Sanctimonius Twit is saying that if we're rooting for Shiv or Roman, then we've lost our ethical compass, we're not self-aware, we're dumb, and we're easily led by fiction. As opposed to us, you know, just having fun one night a week when we root for Shiv or Roma, and our ethical compasses, intelligence and self-awareness are just fine, thank you very much.

Oh my god, LET IT GO. The fact that you have posted about this like 6x and insist on using the phrase “sanctimonious twit” over and over again actually does indicate that you lack self awareness and may have some issues with ethics/morality. The mere fact that this is SO triggering for you that you keep harping on it shows that there may be some truth to it.

People are allowed to have differing opinions. You e stated yours. Now, MOVE ON.

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Anonymous wrote:I 100% thought that the death was a huge hoax by Logan - that he was testing his kids to see how they would react to his death and what they would say to him in those last minutes. I fully expected him to walk into the boat and make some awful, disparaging remarks to them, after humiliating them. Glad that didn’t happen - that would have just been too cruel.

I was especially moved by both Kendall and Tom in this episode. Tom was so kind to Shiv.

The dialogue is getting weaker and weaker - so many f*cks peppering the conversation. It’s beyond old and strikes me as lazy.

I found Tom fascinating in this episode because I think he genuinely felt for Shiv in that moment, but I also think his kindness was at least 30% him realizing that with Logan dead, Shiv is his only real lifeline. Without her, he’s all the way out.

And I love how there were thematic parallels between that situation and Connor/Willa, with Connor straight up asking Willa if she was just in it fir the money and her getting very honest that the money is absolutely a big part of it for her.

I think the dialogue was very f**k heavy in this episode because everyone was in shock and didn’t know what to say, and people get kind of dumb in that situation. It’s realistic— people don’t give eloquent speeches in this situation. They can’t really process their feelings fast enough.

PP here and I agree with 99% of your post. But the f*ck issue is in every.single.episode. It's almost as if they're told to ad lib and they use constant profanity as a crutch while they think of what to say. Either that or the writers are incredibly lazy.

What if the writers aren’t lazy but the kids just aren’t that smart and they can’t think of what to say? Shiv, Roman, Tom, Greg are all pretty inarticulate and sub curse words for original thoughts. I think it’s very intentional that the writers use curse words instead of anything else.

There are some hilarious dirty insults. Incredibly witty and fast paced.

https://www.sciencealert.com/swearing-is-a-sign-of-more-intelligence-not-less-say-scientists/amp

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/26/health/swearing-benefits-wellness/index.html

I have run in some highly intellectual, extremely wealthy circles and it’s an art form.

Dolts on dcum get their panties in a twist and mistake it for being classless. It couldn’t be further from the reality.

And I loved VEEP with Selena and Dan and Amy’s profanity Abe hilarious cut downs.

Well, it can be both classless and common to the upper classes at the same time. Let's not confuse money with taste, sensitivity, or manners.

+1. One thing the show nails is how Kendall dresses obnoxiously casually all the time because he doesn't feel he has to dress up for anything. He wears sweatshirts to the office. He wore a baseball cap to his brother's rehearsal dinner, where he barely acknowledged it was a rehearsal dinner and stayed for 20 minutes. He did bother to wear a suit to the wedding itself, but no tie and didn't button his shirt all the way. Yes, I get some of these are "fashion" choices, but the point is that he feels he can simply make a personal style choice no matter the venue or occasion because he's very rich and doesn't feel he has to conform to social norms. And sure, his sweatshirts and baseball caps likely cost more than many people's wedding gowns, but that doesn't magically make them more formal or respectful to others.

People made a big deal about Shiv's ponytail at the wedding but lots of very wealthy women dress kind of terribly or have sloppy hair or clothes. Again, they might spend a lot on it, but that doesn't mean it looks that way or that they feel like they have to conform to anyone's expectations.

The swearing is the same. These are people who are used to not having to play by the rules. Sometimes they choose to be sophisticated, but they don't have to -- they can say f**k all they want, dress down, treat people poorly, etc., and unlike for the rest of us, there are no consequences. None of them is getting fired for swearing or not following a dress code. They won't lose friends over it either, because their friends are all there because of the money, too. I mean, Willa married Connor while openly admitting the money was a major reason why (and let's get real, any affection she has for him was developed after latching onto him for the money).

The poor language and bad clothes are of a piece with their overall awful behavior. The whole point of this show is that these people do not have to play by the same rules as the rest of us. People who don't understand that are like the people who rooted for Tony Soprano and Walter White. The point just whooshing right over their simple minds.

What a strange, strange post - especially your last sentences. But I get that you think you're far sharper and more clever than everyone else.
DP

What is strange about it? This is a well-known phenomenon -- people who root for the anti-heroes in shows that show them at their worst. Lots of people absolutely rooted for Tony and Walter to get away with their criminal behavior (including murder), and plenty of people root for the people on Succession to successfully get away with their own bad behavior (including stuff like Kendall getting away with killing that kid in the car crash) or chuckle at stuff like Roman's rocket exploding or all the malfeasance/abuse that occurred in Waystar's cruise business. Being able to watch these shows and not forget your ethical compass, and be able to empathize with these people without actually rooting for them to successfully kill, swindle, exploit, etc., is not a sign of being sharper or more clever, but it is a sign of having more self-awareness and not being so easily swayed by a work of fiction.

OMG.

?? What is your problem?

NP just spitballing here but probably the smug attitude exhibited in the previous post. That PP would probably scold people for admiring Robin Hood, the dirty rotten thief.

Uuuuh, rooting for the Roy family is not akin to rooting for Robin Hood (well Ewan might be kind of, but notice he only intends to give his money to Greenpeace after he dies). It actually does sound to me like your moral compass is broken here. Might be why you were so triggered by the prior comments.

DP. You've been talking to multiple posters, all of whom agree that you're a sanctimonious twit. It's a show - get over yourself.

I'm a DP, and disagree with you. I thought the PP's analysis was interesting and don't really get why you are (or all of you, if there are multiple) are so worked up about it. It's definitely true that people sometimes start rooting for anti-heroes and are weirdly comfortably overlooking really horrible behavior. I've even read interviews with creators of shows like this who express surprise about how much people will root for characters they've written to be terrible.

Also, if the Roy's are characters in Robin Hood, they are obviously Prince John, trying to steal the kingdom from the king (though that makes Logan Good King Richard, which doesn't track -- it's actually a pretty poor analogy).

Anyway, if you don't agree, just move along. Posting multiple non-substantive criticisms of the PP where you just insult them and call them names is significantly less interesting to read than a theory that I may or may not agree with. At least PP put some thought into it. You are just being mindlessly nasty.

Interesting. You clearly seem unperturbed by these statements, made by the PPP in question, that repulsed everyone in the first place:

"People who don't understand that are like the people who rooted for Tony Soprano and Walter White. The point just whooshing right over their simple minds."

Being told by some smug, sanctimonious twit that everyone else is too "simple" to understand what's "really going on" gives us a real window into that PP's extremely inflated view of herself.

If you read that and felt injured or angered by it, the “sanctimonious twit” has your number.

Of course the show is making some comments about the morality of these people. If you don’t see that and I stead just unabashedly pick your favorite Roy sibling and hope they win the prize, then yes, you are missing the point.

DP. Of course the show is commenting on the morality of these people. Nobody ever said it didn't.

But Sanctimonius Twit was making a different point, which got lost in the short text clip above and in the context of his/her several posts. Here's what annoyed people:

This is a well-known phenomenon -- people who root for the anti-heroes in shows that show them at their worst. Lots of people absolutely rooted for Tony and Walter to get away with their criminal behavior (including murder), and plenty of people root for the people on Succession to successfully get away with their own bad behavior (including stuff like Kendall getting away with killing that kid in the car crash) or chuckle at stuff like Roman's rocket exploding or all the malfeasance/abuse that occurred in Waystar's cruise business. Being able to watch these shows and not forget your ethical compass, and be able to empathize with these people without actually rooting for them to successfully kill, swindle, exploit, etc., is not a sign of being sharper or more clever, but it is a sign of having more self-awareness and not being so easily swayed by a work of fiction.

==> Sanctimonius Twit is saying that if we're rooting for Shiv or Roman, then we've lost our ethical compass, we're not self-aware, we're dumb, and we're easily led by fiction. As opposed to us, you know, just having fun one night a week when we root for Shiv or Roma, and our ethical compasses, intelligence and self-awareness are just fine, thank you very much.

Oh my god, LET IT GO. The fact that you have posted about this like 6x and insist on using the phrase “sanctimonious twit” over and over again actually does indicate that you lack self awareness and may have some issues with ethics/morality. The mere fact that this is SO triggering for you that you keep harping on it shows that there may be some truth to it.

People are allowed to have differing opinions. You e stated yours. Now, MOVE ON.

LOL. This is my first post on the topic. And Sanctimonious Twit was the poster who was originally accused of not letting it go. Others (not me) posted things like OMG at her repeated posts on this topic.

You must be Sanctimonious Twit. Or you're simply another poster who can't LET IT GO.

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Anonymous wrote:I 100% thought that the death was a huge hoax by Logan - that he was testing his kids to see how they would react to his death and what they would say to him in those last minutes. I fully expected him to walk into the boat and make some awful, disparaging remarks to them, after humiliating them. Glad that didn’t happen - that would have just been too cruel.

I was especially moved by both Kendall and Tom in this episode. Tom was so kind to Shiv.

The dialogue is getting weaker and weaker - so many f*cks peppering the conversation. It’s beyond old and strikes me as lazy.

I found Tom fascinating in this episode because I think he genuinely felt for Shiv in that moment, but I also think his kindness was at least 30% him realizing that with Logan dead, Shiv is his only real lifeline. Without her, he’s all the way out.

And I love how there were thematic parallels between that situation and Connor/Willa, with Connor straight up asking Willa if she was just in it fir the money and her getting very honest that the money is absolutely a big part of it for her.

I think the dialogue was very f**k heavy in this episode because everyone was in shock and didn’t know what to say, and people get kind of dumb in that situation. It’s realistic— people don’t give eloquent speeches in this situation. They can’t really process their feelings fast enough.

PP here and I agree with 99% of your post. But the f*ck issue is in every.single.episode. It's almost as if they're told to ad lib and they use constant profanity as a crutch while they think of what to say. Either that or the writers are incredibly lazy.

What if the writers aren’t lazy but the kids just aren’t that smart and they can’t think of what to say? Shiv, Roman, Tom, Greg are all pretty inarticulate and sub curse words for original thoughts. I think it’s very intentional that the writers use curse words instead of anything else.

There are some hilarious dirty insults. Incredibly witty and fast paced.

https://www.sciencealert.com/swearing-is-a-sign-of-more-intelligence-not-less-say-scientists/amp

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/26/health/swearing-benefits-wellness/index.html

I have run in some highly intellectual, extremely wealthy circles and it’s an art form.

Dolts on dcum get their panties in a twist and mistake it for being classless. It couldn’t be further from the reality.

And I loved VEEP with Selena and Dan and Amy’s profanity Abe hilarious cut downs.

Well, it can be both classless and common to the upper classes at the same time. Let's not confuse money with taste, sensitivity, or manners.

+1. One thing the show nails is how Kendall dresses obnoxiously casually all the time because he doesn't feel he has to dress up for anything. He wears sweatshirts to the office. He wore a baseball cap to his brother's rehearsal dinner, where he barely acknowledged it was a rehearsal dinner and stayed for 20 minutes. He did bother to wear a suit to the wedding itself, but no tie and didn't button his shirt all the way. Yes, I get some of these are "fashion" choices, but the point is that he feels he can simply make a personal style choice no matter the venue or occasion because he's very rich and doesn't feel he has to conform to social norms. And sure, his sweatshirts and baseball caps likely cost more than many people's wedding gowns, but that doesn't magically make them more formal or respectful to others.

People made a big deal about Shiv's ponytail at the wedding but lots of very wealthy women dress kind of terribly or have sloppy hair or clothes. Again, they might spend a lot on it, but that doesn't mean it looks that way or that they feel like they have to conform to anyone's expectations.

The swearing is the same. These are people who are used to not having to play by the rules. Sometimes they choose to be sophisticated, but they don't have to -- they can say f**k all they want, dress down, treat people poorly, etc., and unlike for the rest of us, there are no consequences. None of them is getting fired for swearing or not following a dress code. They won't lose friends over it either, because their friends are all there because of the money, too. I mean, Willa married Connor while openly admitting the money was a major reason why (and let's get real, any affection she has for him was developed after latching onto him for the money).

The poor language and bad clothes are of a piece with their overall awful behavior. The whole point of this show is that these people do not have to play by the same rules as the rest of us. People who don't understand that are like the people who rooted for Tony Soprano and Walter White. The point just whooshing right over their simple minds.

What a strange, strange post - especially your last sentences. But I get that you think you're far sharper and more clever than everyone else.
DP

What is strange about it? This is a well-known phenomenon -- people who root for the anti-heroes in shows that show them at their worst. Lots of people absolutely rooted for Tony and Walter to get away with their criminal behavior (including murder), and plenty of people root for the people on Succession to successfully get away with their own bad behavior (including stuff like Kendall getting away with killing that kid in the car crash) or chuckle at stuff like Roman's rocket exploding or all the malfeasance/abuse that occurred in Waystar's cruise business. Being able to watch these shows and not forget your ethical compass, and be able to empathize with these people without actually rooting for them to successfully kill, swindle, exploit, etc., is not a sign of being sharper or more clever, but it is a sign of having more self-awareness and not being so easily swayed by a work of fiction.

OMG.

?? What is your problem?

NP just spitballing here but probably the smug attitude exhibited in the previous post. That PP would probably scold people for admiring Robin Hood, the dirty rotten thief.

Uuuuh, rooting for the Roy family is not akin to rooting for Robin Hood (well Ewan might be kind of, but notice he only intends to give his money to Greenpeace after he dies). It actually does sound to me like your moral compass is broken here. Might be why you were so triggered by the prior comments.

DP. You've been talking to multiple posters, all of whom agree that you're a sanctimonious twit. It's a show - get over yourself.

I'm a DP, and disagree with you. I thought the PP's analysis was interesting and don't really get why you are (or all of you, if there are multiple) are so worked up about it. It's definitely true that people sometimes start rooting for anti-heroes and are weirdly comfortably overlooking really horrible behavior. I've even read interviews with creators of shows like this who express surprise about how much people will root for characters they've written to be terrible.

Also, if the Roy's are characters in Robin Hood, they are obviously Prince John, trying to steal the kingdom from the king (though that makes Logan Good King Richard, which doesn't track -- it's actually a pretty poor analogy).

Anyway, if you don't agree, just move along. Posting multiple non-substantive criticisms of the PP where you just insult them and call them names is significantly less interesting to read than a theory that I may or may not agree with. At least PP put some thought into it. You are just being mindlessly nasty.

Interesting. You clearly seem unperturbed by these statements, made by the PPP in question, that repulsed everyone in the first place:

"People who don't understand that are like the people who rooted for Tony Soprano and Walter White. The point just whooshing right over their simple minds."

Being told by some smug, sanctimonious twit that everyone else is too "simple" to understand what's "really going on" gives us a real window into that PP's extremely inflated view of herself.

If you read that and felt injured or angered by it, the “sanctimonious twit” has your number.

Of course the show is making some comments about the morality of these people. If you don’t see that and I stead just unabashedly pick your favorite Roy sibling and hope they win the prize, then yes, you are missing the point.

DP. Of course the show is commenting on the morality of these people. Nobody ever said it didn't.

But Sanctimonius Twit was making a different point, which got lost in the short text clip above and in the context of his/her several posts. Here's what annoyed people:

This is a well-known phenomenon -- people who root for the anti-heroes in shows that show them at their worst. Lots of people absolutely rooted for Tony and Walter to get away with their criminal behavior (including murder), and plenty of people root for the people on Succession to successfully get away with their own bad behavior (including stuff like Kendall getting away with killing that kid in the car crash) or chuckle at stuff like Roman's rocket exploding or all the malfeasance/abuse that occurred in Waystar's cruise business. Being able to watch these shows and not forget your ethical compass, and be able to empathize with these people without actually rooting for them to successfully kill, swindle, exploit, etc., is not a sign of being sharper or more clever, but it is a sign of having more self-awareness and not being so easily swayed by a work of fiction.

==> Sanctimonius Twit is saying that if we're rooting for Shiv or Roman, then we've lost our ethical compass, we're not self-aware, we're dumb, and we're easily led by fiction. As opposed to us, you know, just having fun one night a week when we root for Shiv or Roma, and our ethical compasses, intelligence and self-awareness are just fine, thank you very much.

Oh my god, LET IT GO. The fact that you have posted about this like 6x and insist on using the phrase “sanctimonious twit” over and over again actually does indicate that you lack self awareness and may have some issues with ethics/morality. The mere fact that this is SO triggering for you that you keep harping on it shows that there may be some truth to it.

People are allowed to have differing opinions. You e stated yours. Now, MOVE ON.

LOL. This is my first post on the topic. And Sanctimonious Twit was the poster who was originally accused of not letting it go. Others (not me) posted things like OMG at her repeated posts on this topic.

You must be Sanctimonious Twit. Or you're simply another poster who can't LET IT GO.

Are you Donald Trump? I cannot figure out why anyone would be this worked up over post on an anonymous thread about a television show. But Donald Trump loves trying to make insulting nicknames and is very sensitive both to the portrayal of rich aholes in the media and the implication that he is not smart.

Donny, is that you?

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Anonymous wrote:I 100% thought that the death was a huge hoax by Logan - that he was testing his kids to see how they would react to his death and what they would say to him in those last minutes. I fully expected him to walk into the boat and make some awful, disparaging remarks to them, after humiliating them. Glad that didn’t happen - that would have just been too cruel.

I was especially moved by both Kendall and Tom in this episode. Tom was so kind to Shiv.

The dialogue is getting weaker and weaker - so many f*cks peppering the conversation. It’s beyond old and strikes me as lazy.

I found Tom fascinating in this episode because I think he genuinely felt for Shiv in that moment, but I also think his kindness was at least 30% him realizing that with Logan dead, Shiv is his only real lifeline. Without her, he’s all the way out.

And I love how there were thematic parallels between that situation and Connor/Willa, with Connor straight up asking Willa if she was just in it fir the money and her getting very honest that the money is absolutely a big part of it for her.

I think the dialogue was very f**k heavy in this episode because everyone was in shock and didn’t know what to say, and people get kind of dumb in that situation. It’s realistic— people don’t give eloquent speeches in this situation. They can’t really process their feelings fast enough.

PP here and I agree with 99% of your post. But the f*ck issue is in every.single.episode. It's almost as if they're told to ad lib and they use constant profanity as a crutch while they think of what to say. Either that or the writers are incredibly lazy.

What if the writers aren’t lazy but the kids just aren’t that smart and they can’t think of what to say? Shiv, Roman, Tom, Greg are all pretty inarticulate and sub curse words for original thoughts. I think it’s very intentional that the writers use curse words instead of anything else.

There are some hilarious dirty insults. Incredibly witty and fast paced.

https://www.sciencealert.com/swearing-is-a-sign-of-more-intelligence-not-less-say-scientists/amp

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/26/health/swearing-benefits-wellness/index.html

I have run in some highly intellectual, extremely wealthy circles and it’s an art form.

Dolts on dcum get their panties in a twist and mistake it for being classless. It couldn’t be further from the reality.

And I loved VEEP with Selena and Dan and Amy’s profanity Abe hilarious cut downs.

Well, it can be both classless and common to the upper classes at the same time. Let's not confuse money with taste, sensitivity, or manners.

+1. One thing the show nails is how Kendall dresses obnoxiously casually all the time because he doesn't feel he has to dress up for anything. He wears sweatshirts to the office. He wore a baseball cap to his brother's rehearsal dinner, where he barely acknowledged it was a rehearsal dinner and stayed for 20 minutes. He did bother to wear a suit to the wedding itself, but no tie and didn't button his shirt all the way. Yes, I get some of these are "fashion" choices, but the point is that he feels he can simply make a personal style choice no matter the venue or occasion because he's very rich and doesn't feel he has to conform to social norms. And sure, his sweatshirts and baseball caps likely cost more than many people's wedding gowns, but that doesn't magically make them more formal or respectful to others.

People made a big deal about Shiv's ponytail at the wedding but lots of very wealthy women dress kind of terribly or have sloppy hair or clothes. Again, they might spend a lot on it, but that doesn't mean it looks that way or that they feel like they have to conform to anyone's expectations.

The swearing is the same. These are people who are used to not having to play by the rules. Sometimes they choose to be sophisticated, but they don't have to -- they can say f**k all they want, dress down, treat people poorly, etc., and unlike for the rest of us, there are no consequences. None of them is getting fired for swearing or not following a dress code. They won't lose friends over it either, because their friends are all there because of the money, too. I mean, Willa married Connor while openly admitting the money was a major reason why (and let's get real, any affection she has for him was developed after latching onto him for the money).

The poor language and bad clothes are of a piece with their overall awful behavior. The whole point of this show is that these people do not have to play by the same rules as the rest of us. People who don't understand that are like the people who rooted for Tony Soprano and Walter White. The point just whooshing right over their simple minds.

What a strange, strange post - especially your last sentences. But I get that you think you're far sharper and more clever than everyone else.
DP

What is strange about it? This is a well-known phenomenon -- people who root for the anti-heroes in shows that show them at their worst. Lots of people absolutely rooted for Tony and Walter to get away with their criminal behavior (including murder), and plenty of people root for the people on Succession to successfully get away with their own bad behavior (including stuff like Kendall getting away with killing that kid in the car crash) or chuckle at stuff like Roman's rocket exploding or all the malfeasance/abuse that occurred in Waystar's cruise business. Being able to watch these shows and not forget your ethical compass, and be able to empathize with these people without actually rooting for them to successfully kill, swindle, exploit, etc., is not a sign of being sharper or more clever, but it is a sign of having more self-awareness and not being so easily swayed by a work of fiction.

OMG.

?? What is your problem?

NP just spitballing here but probably the smug attitude exhibited in the previous post. That PP would probably scold people for admiring Robin Hood, the dirty rotten thief.

Uuuuh, rooting for the Roy family is not akin to rooting for Robin Hood (well Ewan might be kind of, but notice he only intends to give his money to Greenpeace after he dies). It actually does sound to me like your moral compass is broken here. Might be why you were so triggered by the prior comments.

DP. You've been talking to multiple posters, all of whom agree that you're a sanctimonious twit. It's a show - get over yourself.

I'm a DP, and disagree with you. I thought the PP's analysis was interesting and don't really get why you are (or all of you, if there are multiple) are so worked up about it. It's definitely true that people sometimes start rooting for anti-heroes and are weirdly comfortably overlooking really horrible behavior. I've even read interviews with creators of shows like this who express surprise about how much people will root for characters they've written to be terrible.

Also, if the Roy's are characters in Robin Hood, they are obviously Prince John, trying to steal the kingdom from the king (though that makes Logan Good King Richard, which doesn't track -- it's actually a pretty poor analogy).

Anyway, if you don't agree, just move along. Posting multiple non-substantive criticisms of the PP where you just insult them and call them names is significantly less interesting to read than a theory that I may or may not agree with. At least PP put some thought into it. You are just being mindlessly nasty.

Interesting. You clearly seem unperturbed by these statements, made by the PPP in question, that repulsed everyone in the first place:

"People who don't understand that are like the people who rooted for Tony Soprano and Walter White. The point just whooshing right over their simple minds."

Being told by some smug, sanctimonious twit that everyone else is too "simple" to understand what's "really going on" gives us a real window into that PP's extremely inflated view of herself.

If you read that and felt injured or angered by it, the “sanctimonious twit” has your number.

Of course the show is making some comments about the morality of these people. If you don’t see that and I stead just unabashedly pick your favorite Roy sibling and hope they win the prize, then yes, you are missing the point.

DP. Of course the show is commenting on the morality of these people. Nobody ever said it didn't.

But Sanctimonius Twit was making a different point, which got lost in the short text clip above and in the context of his/her several posts. Here's what annoyed people:

This is a well-known phenomenon -- people who root for the anti-heroes in shows that show them at their worst. Lots of people absolutely rooted for Tony and Walter to get away with their criminal behavior (including murder), and plenty of people root for the people on Succession to successfully get away with their own bad behavior (including stuff like Kendall getting away with killing that kid in the car crash) or chuckle at stuff like Roman's rocket exploding or all the malfeasance/abuse that occurred in Waystar's cruise business. Being able to watch these shows and not forget your ethical compass, and be able to empathize with these people without actually rooting for them to successfully kill, swindle, exploit, etc., is not a sign of being sharper or more clever, but it is a sign of having more self-awareness and not being so easily swayed by a work of fiction.

==> Sanctimonius Twit is saying that if we're rooting for Shiv or Roman, then we've lost our ethical compass, we're not self-aware, we're dumb, and we're easily led by fiction. As opposed to us, you know, just having fun one night a week when we root for Shiv or Roma, and our ethical compasses, intelligence and self-awareness are just fine, thank you very much.

Oh my god, LET IT GO. The fact that you have posted about this like 6x and insist on using the phrase “sanctimonious twit” over and over again actually does indicate that you lack self awareness and may have some issues with ethics/morality. The mere fact that this is SO triggering for you that you keep harping on it shows that there may be some truth to it.

People are allowed to have differing opinions. You e stated yours. Now, MOVE ON.

LOL. This is my first post on the topic. And Sanctimonious Twit was the poster who was originally accused of not letting it go. Others (not me) posted things like OMG at her repeated posts on this topic.

You must be Sanctimonious Twit. Or you're simply another poster who can't LET IT GO.

Are you Donald Trump? I cannot figure out why anyone would be this worked up over post on an anonymous thread about a television show. But Donald Trump loves trying to make insulting nicknames and is very sensitive both to the portrayal of rich aholes in the media and the implication that he is not smart.

Donny, is that you?

Look in the mirror. You're writing screeds, calling people names, and are clearly worked up. Get help.

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Sanctimonious Twit here ( ) and looks like I struck a nerve! Lol!

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Anonymous wrote:I 100% thought that the death was a huge hoax by Logan - that he was testing his kids to see how they would react to his death and what they would say to him in those last minutes. I fully expected him to walk into the boat and make some awful, disparaging remarks to them, after humiliating them. Glad that didn’t happen - that would have just been too cruel.

I was especially moved by both Kendall and Tom in this episode. Tom was so kind to Shiv.

The dialogue is getting weaker and weaker - so many f*cks peppering the conversation. It’s beyond old and strikes me as lazy.

I found Tom fascinating in this episode because I think he genuinely felt for Shiv in that moment, but I also think his kindness was at least 30% him realizing that with Logan dead, Shiv is his only real lifeline. Without her, he’s all the way out.

And I love how there were thematic parallels between that situation and Connor/Willa, with Connor straight up asking Willa if she was just in it fir the money and her getting very honest that the money is absolutely a big part of it for her.

I think the dialogue was very f**k heavy in this episode because everyone was in shock and didn’t know what to say, and people get kind of dumb in that situation. It’s realistic— people don’t give eloquent speeches in this situation. They can’t really process their feelings fast enough.

PP here and I agree with 99% of your post. But the f*ck issue is in every.single.episode. It's almost as if they're told to ad lib and they use constant profanity as a crutch while they think of what to say. Either that or the writers are incredibly lazy.

What if the writers aren’t lazy but the kids just aren’t that smart and they can’t think of what to say? Shiv, Roman, Tom, Greg are all pretty inarticulate and sub curse words for original thoughts. I think it’s very intentional that the writers use curse words instead of anything else.

There are some hilarious dirty insults. Incredibly witty and fast paced.

https://www.sciencealert.com/swearing-is-a-sign-of-more-intelligence-not-less-say-scientists/amp

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/26/health/swearing-benefits-wellness/index.html

I have run in some highly intellectual, extremely wealthy circles and it’s an art form.

Dolts on dcum get their panties in a twist and mistake it for being classless. It couldn’t be further from the reality.

And I loved VEEP with Selena and Dan and Amy’s profanity Abe hilarious cut downs.

Well, it can be both classless and common to the upper classes at the same time. Let's not confuse money with taste, sensitivity, or manners.

+1. One thing the show nails is how Kendall dresses obnoxiously casually all the time because he doesn't feel he has to dress up for anything. He wears sweatshirts to the office. He wore a baseball cap to his brother's rehearsal dinner, where he barely acknowledged it was a rehearsal dinner and stayed for 20 minutes. He did bother to wear a suit to the wedding itself, but no tie and didn't button his shirt all the way. Yes, I get some of these are "fashion" choices, but the point is that he feels he can simply make a personal style choice no matter the venue or occasion because he's very rich and doesn't feel he has to conform to social norms. And sure, his sweatshirts and baseball caps likely cost more than many people's wedding gowns, but that doesn't magically make them more formal or respectful to others.

People made a big deal about Shiv's ponytail at the wedding but lots of very wealthy women dress kind of terribly or have sloppy hair or clothes. Again, they might spend a lot on it, but that doesn't mean it looks that way or that they feel like they have to conform to anyone's expectations.

The swearing is the same. These are people who are used to not having to play by the rules. Sometimes they choose to be sophisticated, but they don't have to -- they can say f**k all they want, dress down, treat people poorly, etc., and unlike for the rest of us, there are no consequences. None of them is getting fired for swearing or not following a dress code. They won't lose friends over it either, because their friends are all there because of the money, too. I mean, Willa married Connor while openly admitting the money was a major reason why (and let's get real, any affection she has for him was developed after latching onto him for the money).

The poor language and bad clothes are of a piece with their overall awful behavior. The whole point of this show is that these people do not have to play by the same rules as the rest of us. People who don't understand that are like the people who rooted for Tony Soprano and Walter White. The point just whooshing right over their simple minds.

What a strange, strange post - especially your last sentences. But I get that you think you're far sharper and more clever than everyone else.
DP

What is strange about it? This is a well-known phenomenon -- people who root for the anti-heroes in shows that show them at their worst. Lots of people absolutely rooted for Tony and Walter to get away with their criminal behavior (including murder), and plenty of people root for the people on Succession to successfully get away with their own bad behavior (including stuff like Kendall getting away with killing that kid in the car crash) or chuckle at stuff like Roman's rocket exploding or all the malfeasance/abuse that occurred in Waystar's cruise business. Being able to watch these shows and not forget your ethical compass, and be able to empathize with these people without actually rooting for them to successfully kill, swindle, exploit, etc., is not a sign of being sharper or more clever, but it is a sign of having more self-awareness and not being so easily swayed by a work of fiction.

OMG.

?? What is your problem?

NP just spitballing here but probably the smug attitude exhibited in the previous post. That PP would probably scold people for admiring Robin Hood, the dirty rotten thief.

Uuuuh, rooting for the Roy family is not akin to rooting for Robin Hood (well Ewan might be kind of, but notice he only intends to give his money to Greenpeace after he dies). It actually does sound to me like your moral compass is broken here. Might be why you were so triggered by the prior comments.

DP. You've been talking to multiple posters, all of whom agree that you're a sanctimonious twit. It's a show - get over yourself.

I'm a DP, and disagree with you. I thought the PP's analysis was interesting and don't really get why you are (or all of you, if there are multiple) are so worked up about it. It's definitely true that people sometimes start rooting for anti-heroes and are weirdly comfortably overlooking really horrible behavior. I've even read interviews with creators of shows like this who express surprise about how much people will root for characters they've written to be terrible.

Also, if the Roy's are characters in Robin Hood, they are obviously Prince John, trying to steal the kingdom from the king (though that makes Logan Good King Richard, which doesn't track -- it's actually a pretty poor analogy).

Anyway, if you don't agree, just move along. Posting multiple non-substantive criticisms of the PP where you just insult them and call them names is significantly less interesting to read than a theory that I may or may not agree with. At least PP put some thought into it. You are just being mindlessly nasty.

Interesting. You clearly seem unperturbed by these statements, made by the PPP in question, that repulsed everyone in the first place:

"People who don't understand that are like the people who rooted for Tony Soprano and Walter White. The point just whooshing right over their simple minds."

Being told by some smug, sanctimonious twit that everyone else is too "simple" to understand what's "really going on" gives us a real window into that PP's extremely inflated view of herself.

If you read that and felt injured or angered by it, the “sanctimonious twit” has your number.

Of course the show is making some comments about the morality of these people. If you don’t see that and I stead just unabashedly pick your favorite Roy sibling and hope they win the prize, then yes, you are missing the point.

DP. Of course the show is commenting on the morality of these people. Nobody ever said it didn't.

But Sanctimonius Twit was making a different point, which got lost in the short text clip above and in the context of his/her several posts. Here's what annoyed people:

This is a well-known phenomenon -- people who root for the anti-heroes in shows that show them at their worst. Lots of people absolutely rooted for Tony and Walter to get away with their criminal behavior (including murder), and plenty of people root for the people on Succession to successfully get away with their own bad behavior (including stuff like Kendall getting away with killing that kid in the car crash) or chuckle at stuff like Roman's rocket exploding or all the malfeasance/abuse that occurred in Waystar's cruise business. Being able to watch these shows and not forget your ethical compass, and be able to empathize with these people without actually rooting for them to successfully kill, swindle, exploit, etc., is not a sign of being sharper or more clever, but it is a sign of having more self-awareness and not being so easily swayed by a work of fiction.

==> Sanctimonius Twit is saying that if we're rooting for Shiv or Roman, then we've lost our ethical compass, we're not self-aware, we're dumb, and we're easily led by fiction. As opposed to us, you know, just having fun one night a week when we root for Shiv or Roma, and our ethical compasses, intelligence and self-awareness are just fine, thank you very much.

+100
I'm imagining watching Succession (or Breaking Bad, Sopranos, etc.) with Sanctimonious Twit and how excruciating that would be. Like going to the movies with people who feel they have to explain everything to you. Yawn.

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Anonymous wrote:I 100% thought that the death was a huge hoax by Logan - that he was testing his kids to see how they would react to his death and what they would say to him in those last minutes. I fully expected him to walk into the boat and make some awful, disparaging remarks to them, after humiliating them. Glad that didn’t happen - that would have just been too cruel.

I was especially moved by both Kendall and Tom in this episode. Tom was so kind to Shiv.

The dialogue is getting weaker and weaker - so many f*cks peppering the conversation. It’s beyond old and strikes me as lazy.

I found Tom fascinating in this episode because I think he genuinely felt for Shiv in that moment, but I also think his kindness was at least 30% him realizing that with Logan dead, Shiv is his only real lifeline. Without her, he’s all the way out.

And I love how there were thematic parallels between that situation and Connor/Willa, with Connor straight up asking Willa if she was just in it fir the money and her getting very honest that the money is absolutely a big part of it for her.

I think the dialogue was very f**k heavy in this episode because everyone was in shock and didn’t know what to say, and people get kind of dumb in that situation. It’s realistic— people don’t give eloquent speeches in this situation. They can’t really process their feelings fast enough.

PP here and I agree with 99% of your post. But the f*ck issue is in every.single.episode. It's almost as if they're told to ad lib and they use constant profanity as a crutch while they think of what to say. Either that or the writers are incredibly lazy.

What if the writers aren’t lazy but the kids just aren’t that smart and they can’t think of what to say? Shiv, Roman, Tom, Greg are all pretty inarticulate and sub curse words for original thoughts. I think it’s very intentional that the writers use curse words instead of anything else.

There are some hilarious dirty insults. Incredibly witty and fast paced.

https://www.sciencealert.com/swearing-is-a-sign-of-more-intelligence-not-less-say-scientists/amp

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/26/health/swearing-benefits-wellness/index.html

I have run in some highly intellectual, extremely wealthy circles and it’s an art form.

Dolts on dcum get their panties in a twist and mistake it for being classless. It couldn’t be further from the reality.

And I loved VEEP with Selena and Dan and Amy’s profanity Abe hilarious cut downs.

Well, it can be both classless and common to the upper classes at the same time. Let's not confuse money with taste, sensitivity, or manners.

+1. One thing the show nails is how Kendall dresses obnoxiously casually all the time because he doesn't feel he has to dress up for anything. He wears sweatshirts to the office. He wore a baseball cap to his brother's rehearsal dinner, where he barely acknowledged it was a rehearsal dinner and stayed for 20 minutes. He did bother to wear a suit to the wedding itself, but no tie and didn't button his shirt all the way. Yes, I get some of these are "fashion" choices, but the point is that he feels he can simply make a personal style choice no matter the venue or occasion because he's very rich and doesn't feel he has to conform to social norms. And sure, his sweatshirts and baseball caps likely cost more than many people's wedding gowns, but that doesn't magically make them more formal or respectful to others.

People made a big deal about Shiv's ponytail at the wedding but lots of very wealthy women dress kind of terribly or have sloppy hair or clothes. Again, they might spend a lot on it, but that doesn't mean it looks that way or that they feel like they have to conform to anyone's expectations.

The swearing is the same. These are people who are used to not having to play by the rules. Sometimes they choose to be sophisticated, but they don't have to -- they can say f**k all they want, dress down, treat people poorly, etc., and unlike for the rest of us, there are no consequences. None of them is getting fired for swearing or not following a dress code. They won't lose friends over it either, because their friends are all there because of the money, too. I mean, Willa married Connor while openly admitting the money was a major reason why (and let's get real, any affection she has for him was developed after latching onto him for the money).

The poor language and bad clothes are of a piece with their overall awful behavior. The whole point of this show is that these people do not have to play by the same rules as the rest of us. People who don't understand that are like the people who rooted for Tony Soprano and Walter White. The point just whooshing right over their simple minds.

What a strange, strange post - especially your last sentences. But I get that you think you're far sharper and more clever than everyone else.
DP

What is strange about it? This is a well-known phenomenon -- people who root for the anti-heroes in shows that show them at their worst. Lots of people absolutely rooted for Tony and Walter to get away with their criminal behavior (including murder), and plenty of people root for the people on Succession to successfully get away with their own bad behavior (including stuff like Kendall getting away with killing that kid in the car crash) or chuckle at stuff like Roman's rocket exploding or all the malfeasance/abuse that occurred in Waystar's cruise business. Being able to watch these shows and not forget your ethical compass, and be able to empathize with these people without actually rooting for them to successfully kill, swindle, exploit, etc., is not a sign of being sharper or more clever, but it is a sign of having more self-awareness and not being so easily swayed by a work of fiction.

OMG.

?? What is your problem?

NP just spitballing here but probably the smug attitude exhibited in the previous post. That PP would probably scold people for admiring Robin Hood, the dirty rotten thief.

Uuuuh, rooting for the Roy family is not akin to rooting for Robin Hood (well Ewan might be kind of, but notice he only intends to give his money to Greenpeace after he dies). It actually does sound to me like your moral compass is broken here. Might be why you were so triggered by the prior comments.

DP. You've been talking to multiple posters, all of whom agree that you're a sanctimonious twit. It's a show - get over yourself.

I'm a DP, and disagree with you. I thought the PP's analysis was interesting and don't really get why you are (or all of you, if there are multiple) are so worked up about it. It's definitely true that people sometimes start rooting for anti-heroes and are weirdly comfortably overlooking really horrible behavior. I've even read interviews with creators of shows like this who express surprise about how much people will root for characters they've written to be terrible.

Also, if the Roy's are characters in Robin Hood, they are obviously Prince John, trying to steal the kingdom from the king (though that makes Logan Good King Richard, which doesn't track -- it's actually a pretty poor analogy).

Anyway, if you don't agree, just move along. Posting multiple non-substantive criticisms of the PP where you just insult them and call them names is significantly less interesting to read than a theory that I may or may not agree with. At least PP put some thought into it. You are just being mindlessly nasty.

Interesting. You clearly seem unperturbed by these statements, made by the PPP in question, that repulsed everyone in the first place:

"People who don't understand that are like the people who rooted for Tony Soprano and Walter White. The point just whooshing right over their simple minds."

Being told by some smug, sanctimonious twit that everyone else is too "simple" to understand what's "really going on" gives us a real window into that PP's extremely inflated view of herself.

If you read that and felt injured or angered by it, the “sanctimonious twit” has your number.

Of course the show is making some comments about the morality of these people. If you don’t see that and I stead just unabashedly pick your favorite Roy sibling and hope they win the prize, then yes, you are missing the point.

DP. Of course the show is commenting on the morality of these people. Nobody ever said it didn't.

But Sanctimonius Twit was making a different point, which got lost in the short text clip above and in the context of his/her several posts. Here's what annoyed people:

This is a well-known phenomenon -- people who root for the anti-heroes in shows that show them at their worst. Lots of people absolutely rooted for Tony and Walter to get away with their criminal behavior (including murder), and plenty of people root for the people on Succession to successfully get away with their own bad behavior (including stuff like Kendall getting away with killing that kid in the car crash) or chuckle at stuff like Roman's rocket exploding or all the malfeasance/abuse that occurred in Waystar's cruise business. Being able to watch these shows and not forget your ethical compass, and be able to empathize with these people without actually rooting for them to successfully kill, swindle, exploit, etc., is not a sign of being sharper or more clever, but it is a sign of having more self-awareness and not being so easily swayed by a work of fiction.

==> Sanctimonius Twit is saying that if we're rooting for Shiv or Roman, then we've lost our ethical compass, we're not self-aware, we're dumb, and we're easily led by fiction. As opposed to us, you know, just having fun one night a week when we root for Shiv or Roma, and our ethical compasses, intelligence and self-awareness are just fine, thank you very much.

Oh my god, LET IT GO. The fact that you have posted about this like 6x and insist on using the phrase “sanctimonious twit” over and over again actually does indicate that you lack self awareness and may have some issues with ethics/morality. The mere fact that this is SO triggering for you that you keep harping on it shows that there may be some truth to it.

People are allowed to have differing opinions. You e stated yours. Now, MOVE ON.

DP. You are addressing several different people, all of whom agree that you are a S.T.

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else notice Jamie Chung as Connor's wedding planner? I remember when she was on Real World, I think San Diego.

I did not! She did look familiar. Thanks for pointing that out. I think she was recently on a cake or fake show on Netflix with her husband.

Also Milton from office space was speaking in the dining room.

MIND BLOWN!! I had no idea Milton was Stephen Root!
DP

Wow! Did not recognize him at all. Also, Hugo was the dorky guy from the 80s movie Short Circuit (where he offensively played an Indian man in brownface).

Hugo HAS NO NECK

He has the oddest head/neck ratio ever. Just a very strange looking guy.

Wasn’t this guy linked to Michelle Pfieffer at one time?

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else notice Jamie Chung as Connor's wedding planner? I remember when she was on Real World, I think San Diego.

I did not! She did look familiar. Thanks for pointing that out. I think she was recently on a cake or fake show on Netflix with her husband.

Also Milton from office space was speaking in the dining room.

MIND BLOWN!! I had no idea Milton was Stephen Root!
DP

Wow! Did not recognize him at all. Also, Hugo was the dorky guy from the 80s movie Short Circuit (where he offensively played an Indian man in brownface).

Hugo HAS NO NECK

He has the oddest head/neck ratio ever. Just a very strange looking guy.

Wasn’t this guy linked to Michelle Pfieffer at one time?

He has a long neck. I think the problem is that it’s thin and he’s a slight guy so his head looks lollipopish. Fisher Stevens has been around forever, I remember him from the Flamingo Kid back in the 80s.

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Anonymous wrote:I 100% thought that the death was a huge hoax by Logan - that he was testing his kids to see how they would react to his death and what they would say to him in those last minutes. I fully expected him to walk into the boat and make some awful, disparaging remarks to them, after humiliating them. Glad that didn’t happen - that would have just been too cruel.

I was especially moved by both Kendall and Tom in this episode. Tom was so kind to Shiv.

The dialogue is getting weaker and weaker - so many f*cks peppering the conversation. It’s beyond old and strikes me as lazy.

I found Tom fascinating in this episode because I think he genuinely felt for Shiv in that moment, but I also think his kindness was at least 30% him realizing that with Logan dead, Shiv is his only real lifeline. Without her, he’s all the way out.

And I love how there were thematic parallels between that situation and Connor/Willa, with Connor straight up asking Willa if she was just in it fir the money and her getting very honest that the money is absolutely a big part of it for her.

I think the dialogue was very f**k heavy in this episode because everyone was in shock and didn’t know what to say, and people get kind of dumb in that situation. It’s realistic— people don’t give eloquent speeches in this situation. They can’t really process their feelings fast enough.

PP here and I agree with 99% of your post. But the f*ck issue is in every.single.episode. It's almost as if they're told to ad lib and they use constant profanity as a crutch while they think of what to say. Either that or the writers are incredibly lazy.

What if the writers aren’t lazy but the kids just aren’t that smart and they can’t think of what to say? Shiv, Roman, Tom, Greg are all pretty inarticulate and sub curse words for original thoughts. I think it’s very intentional that the writers use curse words instead of anything else.

There are some hilarious dirty insults. Incredibly witty and fast paced.

https://www.sciencealert.com/swearing-is-a-sign-of-more-intelligence-not-less-say-scientists/amp

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/26/health/swearing-benefits-wellness/index.html

I have run in some highly intellectual, extremely wealthy circles and it’s an art form.

Dolts on dcum get their panties in a twist and mistake it for being classless. It couldn’t be further from the reality.

And I loved VEEP with Selena and Dan and Amy’s profanity Abe hilarious cut downs.

Well, it can be both classless and common to the upper classes at the same time. Let's not confuse money with taste, sensitivity, or manners.

+1. One thing the show nails is how Kendall dresses obnoxiously casually all the time because he doesn't feel he has to dress up for anything. He wears sweatshirts to the office. He wore a baseball cap to his brother's rehearsal dinner, where he barely acknowledged it was a rehearsal dinner and stayed for 20 minutes. He did bother to wear a suit to the wedding itself, but no tie and didn't button his shirt all the way. Yes, I get some of these are "fashion" choices, but the point is that he feels he can simply make a personal style choice no matter the venue or occasion because he's very rich and doesn't feel he has to conform to social norms. And sure, his sweatshirts and baseball caps likely cost more than many people's wedding gowns, but that doesn't magically make them more formal or respectful to others.

People made a big deal about Shiv's ponytail at the wedding but lots of very wealthy women dress kind of terribly or have sloppy hair or clothes. Again, they might spend a lot on it, but that doesn't mean it looks that way or that they feel like they have to conform to anyone's expectations.

The swearing is the same. These are people who are used to not having to play by the rules. Sometimes they choose to be sophisticated, but they don't have to -- they can say f**k all they want, dress down, treat people poorly, etc., and unlike for the rest of us, there are no consequences. None of them is getting fired for swearing or not following a dress code. They won't lose friends over it either, because their friends are all there because of the money, too. I mean, Willa married Connor while openly admitting the money was a major reason why (and let's get real, any affection she has for him was developed after latching onto him for the money).

The poor language and bad clothes are of a piece with their overall awful behavior. The whole point of this show is that these people do not have to play by the same rules as the rest of us. People who don't understand that are like the people who rooted for Tony Soprano and Walter White. The point just whooshing right over their simple minds.

What a strange, strange post - especially your last sentences. But I get that you think you're far sharper and more clever than everyone else.
DP

What is strange about it? This is a well-known phenomenon -- people who root for the anti-heroes in shows that show them at their worst. Lots of people absolutely rooted for Tony and Walter to get away with their criminal behavior (including murder), and plenty of people root for the people on Succession to successfully get away with their own bad behavior (including stuff like Kendall getting away with killing that kid in the car crash) or chuckle at stuff like Roman's rocket exploding or all the malfeasance/abuse that occurred in Waystar's cruise business. Being able to watch these shows and not forget your ethical compass, and be able to empathize with these people without actually rooting for them to successfully kill, swindle, exploit, etc., is not a sign of being sharper or more clever, but it is a sign of having more self-awareness and not being so easily swayed by a work of fiction.

OMG.

?? What is your problem?

NP just spitballing here but probably the smug attitude exhibited in the previous post. That PP would probably scold people for admiring Robin Hood, the dirty rotten thief.

Uuuuh, rooting for the Roy family is not akin to rooting for Robin Hood (well Ewan might be kind of, but notice he only intends to give his money to Greenpeace after he dies). It actually does sound to me like your moral compass is broken here. Might be why you were so triggered by the prior comments.

DP. You've been talking to multiple posters, all of whom agree that you're a sanctimonious twit. It's a show - get over yourself.

I'm a DP, and disagree with you. I thought the PP's analysis was interesting and don't really get why you are (or all of you, if there are multiple) are so worked up about it. It's definitely true that people sometimes start rooting for anti-heroes and are weirdly comfortably overlooking really horrible behavior. I've even read interviews with creators of shows like this who express surprise about how much people will root for characters they've written to be terrible.

Also, if the Roy's are characters in Robin Hood, they are obviously Prince John, trying to steal the kingdom from the king (though that makes Logan Good King Richard, which doesn't track -- it's actually a pretty poor analogy).

Anyway, if you don't agree, just move along. Posting multiple non-substantive criticisms of the PP where you just insult them and call them names is significantly less interesting to read than a theory that I may or may not agree with. At least PP put some thought into it. You are just being mindlessly nasty.

Interesting. You clearly seem unperturbed by these statements, made by the PPP in question, that repulsed everyone in the first place:

"People who don't understand that are like the people who rooted for Tony Soprano and Walter White. The point just whooshing right over their simple minds."

Being told by some smug, sanctimonious twit that everyone else is too "simple" to understand what's "really going on" gives us a real window into that PP's extremely inflated view of herself.

If you read that and felt injured or angered by it, the “sanctimonious twit” has your number.

Of course the show is making some comments about the morality of these people. If you don’t see that and I stead just unabashedly pick your favorite Roy sibling and hope they win the prize, then yes, you are missing the point.

DP. Of course the show is commenting on the morality of these people. Nobody ever said it didn't.

But Sanctimonius Twit was making a different point, which got lost in the short text clip above and in the context of his/her several posts. Here's what annoyed people:

This is a well-known phenomenon -- people who root for the anti-heroes in shows that show them at their worst. Lots of people absolutely rooted for Tony and Walter to get away with their criminal behavior (including murder), and plenty of people root for the people on Succession to successfully get away with their own bad behavior (including stuff like Kendall getting away with killing that kid in the car crash) or chuckle at stuff like Roman's rocket exploding or all the malfeasance/abuse that occurred in Waystar's cruise business. Being able to watch these shows and not forget your ethical compass, and be able to empathize with these people without actually rooting for them to successfully kill, swindle, exploit, etc., is not a sign of being sharper or more clever, but it is a sign of having more self-awareness and not being so easily swayed by a work of fiction.

==> Sanctimonius Twit is saying that if we're rooting for Shiv or Roman, then we've lost our ethical compass, we're not self-aware, we're dumb, and we're easily led by fiction. As opposed to us, you know, just having fun one night a week when we root for Shiv or Roma, and our ethical compasses, intelligence and self-awareness are just fine, thank you very much.

Oh my god, LET IT GO. The fact that you have posted about this like 6x and insist on using the phrase “sanctimonious twit” over and over again actually does indicate that you lack self awareness and may have some issues with ethics/morality. The mere fact that this is SO triggering for you that you keep harping on it shows that there may be some truth to it.

People are allowed to have differing opinions. You e stated yours. Now, MOVE ON.

DP. You are addressing several different people, all of whom agree that you are a S.T.

That's fine, I do not value your opinion. Other posters have agreed with me. I'm sorry this is so important to you.

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This episode felt like a return to the show before Logan died. Mixed feelings about that -- the business stuff feels kind of boring to me, though I also felt this episode was funnier than recent ones.

It feels like Shiv is in a power position suddenly, and especially if the deal goes through.

I still am really unclear of what is going on with Kendall and Roman. Are they still trying to tank this deal? Or are they won over by the 192b offer? Or are they just glad Madsen decided to up the deal rather than go to the board with Roman trying to pull out of the deal (which I do think would violate some fiduciary duties to the shareholders but I'm not totally clear on the legalities of the whole thing).

And anyway, I don't understand what is motivating Kendall at all. I guess he wants to run Waystar maybe? Doesn't know what else he'd do with himself? As he said, the are already rich, so getting more rich from the Gojo deal is only useful if there is something specific they want to do with the money (like buy Pierce), but I don't really get the sense he wants to do that.

Kendall and Roman don't really seem to want to run anything, not really. They just like being in charge (and yet at the same time seem deeply uncomfortable wielding power and hide behind like 40 layers of ironic distance to avoid looking like they care about anything or don't know anything -- just incredibly weak sauce). Shiv comes off as genuinely interested in business, at least in this episode, but she was a mess the last time she had any power.

I'd like to say it's unrealistic that people this useless might run things as important as media empires, but.... it's probably not. Even Madsen is a messed up weirdo and I think that's probably true in real life. I mean, look at Bezos or Musk -- those guys are messed up weirdos too.

Anyway. Some post show musings.

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Yeah. I thought it was a good episode. Mats on basically did what Shiv told him and basically more up the price to get everything. I think Roman and Kendall sincerely wanted to tank it but the bump — and it being conveyed directly to the old guard — won’t really let them.

Interesting that if the boys had let Shiv in on their plan to tank things (but they didn’t because they didn’t think she could handle it, hahaha), things might have come out differently, she might have helped them tank it.

And how weird was that sneaker interaction between Shiv and Tom and now suddenly she is into him again, now that she feels on her game again? They are so emotionally stunted wtf?

Are they riding high before the fall? Surely something can still kill the deal.

Funniest moment: Shiv — “Step 1 — and this legitimately might be hard for you — stop sending people your blood.”

Did Gerri stay off the kill list because Shiv recommended her to Matson for his problem? Karolina stayed off it because Shiv recommended her. Everyone else except Tom got axed — did Mattson think it would upset Shiv to keep Tom? It didn’t seem to.

When Shiv took their picture, the boys didn’t look happy. Does this reveal to Mattson they were truly trying to kill the deal?

Anyway, good episode. I really have no idea where it’s all going. But the kids all working as a triumvirate and keeping everything together (by the skin of their teeth) seems like more of a possibility.

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Anonymous wrote:Princess or princes? The closed captioning said princess, but it really sounded like princes, Z on the close, to me. Maybe it’s moot, though.

Ok people: I went back and rewatched this whole scene, with subtitles. Here it is:

Karl: “We’re not gonna let the little princess screw things up. Right, Frank? If Gerri’s going to block me, I want out. I want my f-ing package. I am halfway in on a Greek island… with my brother-in-law.”

They are clearly discussing Gerri becoming CEO (blocking Karl).