Succession - Season 4

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Show is getting a bit boring. The other seasons so much better.

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Anonymous wrote:Karl: I mean could it, might it just go away? I mean it might get lost. I hope it doesn’t, but what if your hand goes a little wobbly, and a draft takes it away, and it gets flushed down a toilet by mistake? I’m kidding, of course.

Frank: Oh, sure. You’re speculating in a comic mode.

Karl: In a humorous vein. We’re not gonna let that little princess screw things up, right, Frank? Gerri’s gonna block me. I want out. I want my f*ckin’ package.
I am halfway in on a Greek island with my brother in law.

Gerri: Say, what’s up, boys?

Sounds like they’re talking about Gerri.

I was mystified when I watched this, and still not at all clear!

My true opinion is that someone f*cked up the closed captions/subtitles, and wrote "princess" instead of "princes." When I was watching the show I heard "princes." I think they were referring to Ken and Roman. But this error has made everyone think they're talking about a woman.

It's possible the were talking about Gerri, but once she walked in while Frank was holding the piece of paper in his hand there was no way to deflect. I would have to watch it again.

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It was Gerri they were talking about. Between the three of them - Karl, Frank, and Gerri - Gerri's name was the one most realistically floated to take over. Karl and Frank don't want that and have probably been jealous of Gerri's access to Logan for years. So they're agreeing, they don't want that "princess" taking the reins. Interesting that they didn't seem to have an issue with both the boys taking over together.

But then why , when Geri walked in, did they show her the paper and continue to talk “in a humerus vein” about throwing the paper away, with her in the mix of the Convo?

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She would not joke about it getting lost in the toilet if her name was on there as a potential successor.

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Anonymous wrote:Karl: I mean could it, might it just go away? I mean it might get lost. I hope it doesn’t, but what if your hand goes a little wobbly, and a draft takes it away, and it gets flushed down a toilet by mistake? I’m kidding, of course.

Frank: Oh, sure. You’re speculating in a comic mode.

Karl: In a humorous vein. We’re not gonna let that little princess screw things up, right, Frank? Gerri’s gonna block me. I want out. I want my f*ckin’ package.
I am halfway in on a Greek island with my brother in law.

Gerri: Say, what’s up, boys?

Sounds like they’re talking about Gerri.

I was mystified when I watched this, and still not at all clear!

My true opinion is that someone f*cked up the closed captions/subtitles, and wrote "princess" instead of "princes." When I was watching the show I heard "princes." I think they were referring to Ken and Roman. But this error has made everyone think they're talking about a woman.

It's possible the were talking about Gerri, but once she walked in while Frank was holding the piece of paper in his hand there was no way to deflect. I would have to watch it again.

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It was Gerri they were talking about. Between the three of them - Karl, Frank, and Gerri - Gerri's name was the one most realistically floated to take over. Karl and Frank don't want that and have probably been jealous of Gerri's access to Logan for years. So they're agreeing, they don't want that "princess" taking the reins. Interesting that they didn't seem to have an issue with both the boys taking over together.

But then why , when Geri walked in, did they show her the paper and continue to talk “in a humerus vein” about throwing the paper away, with her in the mix of the Convo?

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She would not joke about it getting lost in the toilet if her name was on there as a potential successor.

It wasn't in there. Karl is trying to get Frank to ally with him against Gerri. Gerri is corporate counsel and Karl knows she will take the lead in interpreting what's in there and he and Frank will be brushed aside. And that's more or less exactly what happens.

Anyway, go read re-caps online - none of them are obsessed with this issue. We are definitely making way too much of it. The paper achieved it's intended or inevitable purpose - the kids remain divided and the Old Guard has been shuffled to the side.

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I confess already bored of the soft, kind Ronan and evil, hard Kendall dynamic and it’s only been like three minutes.

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Anonymous wrote:I confess already bored of the soft, kind Ronan and evil, hard Kendall dynamic and it’s only been like three minutes.

Roman is neither soft nor kind — he’s weak and insecure, which means he wields power passive aggressively. His “kindness” to Kerri was working an angle, his refusal to tarnish his dad’s memory is about being subservient to his dad still, and being afraid to assert himself.

Kendall is bending evil, though he’s never been far from it. He’s embracing his status as his dad’s successor, and all that entails.

I’m still interested.

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I think you guys are wrong about Kerri being any kind of angle. Kerri is donezo. And I think they just used her to let Roman have a kind moment so they could contrast it with Kendall (and less seriously, Greg).

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Princess or princes? The closed captioning said princess, but it really sounded like princes, Z on the close, to me. Maybe it’s moot, though.

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else notice Jamie Chung as Connor's wedding planner? I remember when she was on Real World, I think San Diego.

I did not! She did look familiar. Thanks for pointing that out. I think she was recently on a cake or fake show on Netflix with her husband.

Also Milton from office space was speaking in the dining room.

MIND BLOWN!! I had no idea Milton was Stephen Root!
DP

Wow! Did not recognize him at all. Also, Hugo was the dorky guy from the 80s movie Short Circuit (where he offensively played an Indian man in brownface).

Hugo HAS NO NECK

He has the oddest head/neck ratio ever. Just a very strange looking guy.

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Anonymous wrote:I 100% thought that the death was a huge hoax by Logan - that he was testing his kids to see how they would react to his death and what they would say to him in those last minutes. I fully expected him to walk into the boat and make some awful, disparaging remarks to them, after humiliating them. Glad that didn’t happen - that would have just been too cruel.

I was especially moved by both Kendall and Tom in this episode. Tom was so kind to Shiv.

The dialogue is getting weaker and weaker - so many f*cks peppering the conversation. It’s beyond old and strikes me as lazy.

I found Tom fascinating in this episode because I think he genuinely felt for Shiv in that moment, but I also think his kindness was at least 30% him realizing that with Logan dead, Shiv is his only real lifeline. Without her, he’s all the way out.

And I love how there were thematic parallels between that situation and Connor/Willa, with Connor straight up asking Willa if she was just in it fir the money and her getting very honest that the money is absolutely a big part of it for her.

I think the dialogue was very f**k heavy in this episode because everyone was in shock and didn’t know what to say, and people get kind of dumb in that situation. It’s realistic— people don’t give eloquent speeches in this situation. They can’t really process their feelings fast enough.

PP here and I agree with 99% of your post. But the f*ck issue is in every.single.episode. It's almost as if they're told to ad lib and they use constant profanity as a crutch while they think of what to say. Either that or the writers are incredibly lazy.

What if the writers aren’t lazy but the kids just aren’t that smart and they can’t think of what to say? Shiv, Roman, Tom, Greg are all pretty inarticulate and sub curse words for original thoughts. I think it’s very intentional that the writers use curse words instead of anything else.

There are some hilarious dirty insults. Incredibly witty and fast paced.

https://www.sciencealert.com/swearing-is-a-sign-of-more-intelligence-not-less-say-scientists/amp

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/26/health/swearing-benefits-wellness/index.html

I have run in some highly intellectual, extremely wealthy circles and it’s an art form.

Dolts on dcum get their panties in a twist and mistake it for being classless. It couldn’t be further from the reality.

And I loved VEEP with Selena and Dan and Amy’s profanity Abe hilarious cut downs.

Well, it can be both classless and common to the upper classes at the same time. Let's not confuse money with taste, sensitivity, or manners.

+1. One thing the show nails is how Kendall dresses obnoxiously casually all the time because he doesn't feel he has to dress up for anything. He wears sweatshirts to the office. He wore a baseball cap to his brother's rehearsal dinner, where he barely acknowledged it was a rehearsal dinner and stayed for 20 minutes. He did bother to wear a suit to the wedding itself, but no tie and didn't button his shirt all the way. Yes, I get some of these are "fashion" choices, but the point is that he feels he can simply make a personal style choice no matter the venue or occasion because he's very rich and doesn't feel he has to conform to social norms. And sure, his sweatshirts and baseball caps likely cost more than many people's wedding gowns, but that doesn't magically make them more formal or respectful to others.

People made a big deal about Shiv's ponytail at the wedding but lots of very wealthy women dress kind of terribly or have sloppy hair or clothes. Again, they might spend a lot on it, but that doesn't mean it looks that way or that they feel like they have to conform to anyone's expectations.

The swearing is the same. These are people who are used to not having to play by the rules. Sometimes they choose to be sophisticated, but they don't have to -- they can say f**k all they want, dress down, treat people poorly, etc., and unlike for the rest of us, there are no consequences. None of them is getting fired for swearing or not following a dress code. They won't lose friends over it either, because their friends are all there because of the money, too. I mean, Willa married Connor while openly admitting the money was a major reason why (and let's get real, any affection she has for him was developed after latching onto him for the money).

The poor language and bad clothes are of a piece with their overall awful behavior. The whole point of this show is that these people do not have to play by the same rules as the rest of us. People who don't understand that are like the people who rooted for Tony Soprano and Walter White. The point just whooshing right over their simple minds.

What a strange, strange post - especially your last sentences. But I get that you think you're far sharper and more clever than everyone else.
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What is strange about it? This is a well-known phenomenon -- people who root for the anti-heroes in shows that show them at their worst. Lots of people absolutely rooted for Tony and Walter to get away with their criminal behavior (including murder), and plenty of people root for the people on Succession to successfully get away with their own bad behavior (including stuff like Kendall getting away with killing that kid in the car crash) or chuckle at stuff like Roman's rocket exploding or all the malfeasance/abuse that occurred in Waystar's cruise business. Being able to watch these shows and not forget your ethical compass, and be able to empathize with these people without actually rooting for them to successfully kill, swindle, exploit, etc., is not a sign of being sharper or more clever, but it is a sign of having more self-awareness and not being so easily swayed by a work of fiction.

OMG.

?? What is your problem?

NP just spitballing here but probably the smug attitude exhibited in the previous post. That PP would probably scold people for admiring Robin Hood, the dirty rotten thief.

Uuuuh, rooting for the Roy family is not akin to rooting for Robin Hood (well Ewan might be kind of, but notice he only intends to give his money to Greenpeace after he dies). It actually does sound to me like your moral compass is broken here. Might be why you were so triggered by the prior comments.

DP. You've been talking to multiple posters, all of whom agree that you're a sanctimonious twit. It's a show - get over yourself.

I'm a DP, and disagree with you. I thought the PP's analysis was interesting and don't really get why you are (or all of you, if there are multiple) are so worked up about it. It's definitely true that people sometimes start rooting for anti-heroes and are weirdly comfortably overlooking really horrible behavior. I've even read interviews with creators of shows like this who express surprise about how much people will root for characters they've written to be terrible.

Also, if the Roy's are characters in Robin Hood, they are obviously Prince John, trying to steal the kingdom from the king (though that makes Logan Good King Richard, which doesn't track -- it's actually a pretty poor analogy).

Anyway, if you don't agree, just move along. Posting multiple non-substantive criticisms of the PP where you just insult them and call them names is significantly less interesting to read than a theory that I may or may not agree with. At least PP put some thought into it. You are just being mindlessly nasty.

Interesting. You clearly seem unperturbed by these statements, made by the PPP in question, that repulsed everyone in the first place:

"People who don't understand that are like the people who rooted for Tony Soprano and Walter White. The point just whooshing right over their simple minds."

Being told by some smug, sanctimonious twit that everyone else is too "simple" to understand what's "really going on" gives us a real window into that PP's extremely inflated view of herself.

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Anonymous wrote:^ nobody is calling 60-year old Gerri a princess in any capacity.

This.

Except that they are. Once again, Karl and Frank are jealous of the access Gerri has always had to Logan. In their view, she is a spoiled "princess."

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else notice Jamie Chung as Connor's wedding planner? I remember when she was on Real World, I think San Diego.

I did not! She did look familiar. Thanks for pointing that out. I think she was recently on a cake or fake show on Netflix with her husband.

Also Milton from office space was speaking in the dining room.

MIND BLOWN!! I had no idea Milton was Stephen Root!
DP

Wow! Did not recognize him at all. Also, Hugo was the dorky guy from the 80s movie Short Circuit (where he offensively played an Indian man in brownface).

Hugo HAS NO NECK

He has the oddest head/neck ratio ever. Just a very strange looking guy.

It’s because he had cancer! Jerks.

He survived Hodgkin’s disease. It is lymphatic cancer that affects the neck.

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Anonymous wrote:Karl: I mean could it, might it just go away? I mean it might get lost. I hope it doesn’t, but what if your hand goes a little wobbly, and a draft takes it away, and it gets flushed down a toilet by mistake? I’m kidding, of course.

Frank: Oh, sure. You’re speculating in a comic mode.

Karl: In a humorous vein. We’re not gonna let that little princess screw things up, right, Frank? Gerri’s gonna block me. I want out. I want my f*ckin’ package.
I am halfway in on a Greek island with my brother in law.

Gerri: Say, what’s up, boys?

Sounds like they’re talking about Gerri.

I was mystified when I watched this, and still not at all clear!

My true opinion is that someone f*cked up the closed captions/subtitles, and wrote "princess" instead of "princes." When I was watching the show I heard "princes." I think they were referring to Ken and Roman. But this error has made everyone think they're talking about a woman.

It's possible the were talking about Gerri, but once she walked in while Frank was holding the piece of paper in his hand there was no way to deflect. I would have to watch it again.

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It was Gerri they were talking about. Between the three of them - Karl, Frank, and Gerri - Gerri's name was the one most realistically floated to take over. Karl and Frank don't want that and have probably been jealous of Gerri's access to Logan for years. So they're agreeing, they don't want that "princess" taking the reins. Interesting that they didn't seem to have an issue with both the boys taking over together.

But then why , when Geri walked in, did they show her the paper and continue to talk “in a humerus vein” about throwing the paper away, with her in the mix of the Convo?

+100

She would not joke about it getting lost in the toilet if her name was on there as a potential successor.

It wasn't in there. Karl is trying to get Frank to ally with him against Gerri. Gerri is corporate counsel and Karl knows she will take the lead in interpreting what's in there and he and Frank will be brushed aside. And that's more or less exactly what happens.

Anyway, go read re-caps online - none of them are obsessed with this issue. We are definitely making way too much of it. The paper achieved it's intended or inevitable purpose - the kids remain divided and the Old Guard has been shuffled to the side.

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Between this and the amnio, DCUM has succeeded yet again in making mountains out of molehills.

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else notice Jamie Chung as Connor's wedding planner? I remember when she was on Real World, I think San Diego.

I did not! She did look familiar. Thanks for pointing that out. I think she was recently on a cake or fake show on Netflix with her husband.

Also Milton from office space was speaking in the dining room.

MIND BLOWN!! I had no idea Milton was Stephen Root!
DP

Wow! Did not recognize him at all. Also, Hugo was the dorky guy from the 80s movie Short Circuit (where he offensively played an Indian man in brownface).

Hugo HAS NO NECK

He has the oddest head/neck ratio ever. Just a very strange looking guy.

It’s because he had cancer! Jerks.

He survived Hodgkin’s disease. It is lymphatic cancer that affects the neck.

"Jerks"? I'm calling BS on your claim. Provide reputable links. We'll wait.

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else notice Jamie Chung as Connor's wedding planner? I remember when she was on Real World, I think San Diego.

I did not! She did look familiar. Thanks for pointing that out. I think she was recently on a cake or fake show on Netflix with her husband.

Also Milton from office space was speaking in the dining room.

MIND BLOWN!! I had no idea Milton was Stephen Root!
DP

Wow! Did not recognize him at all. Also, Hugo was the dorky guy from the 80s movie Short Circuit (where he offensively played an Indian man in brownface).

Hugo HAS NO NECK

He has the oddest head/neck ratio ever. Just a very strange looking guy.

It’s because he had cancer! Jerks.

He survived Hodgkin’s disease. It is lymphatic cancer that affects the neck.

"Jerks"? I'm calling BS on your claim. Provide reputable links. We'll wait.

https://people.com/archive/cover-story-the-two-lives-of-catwoman-vol-38-no-2/

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Anonymous wrote:I 100% thought that the death was a huge hoax by Logan - that he was testing his kids to see how they would react to his death and what they would say to him in those last minutes. I fully expected him to walk into the boat and make some awful, disparaging remarks to them, after humiliating them. Glad that didn’t happen - that would have just been too cruel.

I was especially moved by both Kendall and Tom in this episode. Tom was so kind to Shiv.

The dialogue is getting weaker and weaker - so many f*cks peppering the conversation. It’s beyond old and strikes me as lazy.

I found Tom fascinating in this episode because I think he genuinely felt for Shiv in that moment, but I also think his kindness was at least 30% him realizing that with Logan dead, Shiv is his only real lifeline. Without her, he’s all the way out.

And I love how there were thematic parallels between that situation and Connor/Willa, with Connor straight up asking Willa if she was just in it fir the money and her getting very honest that the money is absolutely a big part of it for her.

I think the dialogue was very f**k heavy in this episode because everyone was in shock and didn’t know what to say, and people get kind of dumb in that situation. It’s realistic— people don’t give eloquent speeches in this situation. They can’t really process their feelings fast enough.

PP here and I agree with 99% of your post. But the f*ck issue is in every.single.episode. It's almost as if they're told to ad lib and they use constant profanity as a crutch while they think of what to say. Either that or the writers are incredibly lazy.

What if the writers aren’t lazy but the kids just aren’t that smart and they can’t think of what to say? Shiv, Roman, Tom, Greg are all pretty inarticulate and sub curse words for original thoughts. I think it’s very intentional that the writers use curse words instead of anything else.

There are some hilarious dirty insults. Incredibly witty and fast paced.

https://www.sciencealert.com/swearing-is-a-sign-of-more-intelligence-not-less-say-scientists/amp

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/26/health/swearing-benefits-wellness/index.html

I have run in some highly intellectual, extremely wealthy circles and it’s an art form.

Dolts on dcum get their panties in a twist and mistake it for being classless. It couldn’t be further from the reality.

And I loved VEEP with Selena and Dan and Amy’s profanity Abe hilarious cut downs.

Well, it can be both classless and common to the upper classes at the same time. Let's not confuse money with taste, sensitivity, or manners.

+1. One thing the show nails is how Kendall dresses obnoxiously casually all the time because he doesn't feel he has to dress up for anything. He wears sweatshirts to the office. He wore a baseball cap to his brother's rehearsal dinner, where he barely acknowledged it was a rehearsal dinner and stayed for 20 minutes. He did bother to wear a suit to the wedding itself, but no tie and didn't button his shirt all the way. Yes, I get some of these are "fashion" choices, but the point is that he feels he can simply make a personal style choice no matter the venue or occasion because he's very rich and doesn't feel he has to conform to social norms. And sure, his sweatshirts and baseball caps likely cost more than many people's wedding gowns, but that doesn't magically make them more formal or respectful to others.

People made a big deal about Shiv's ponytail at the wedding but lots of very wealthy women dress kind of terribly or have sloppy hair or clothes. Again, they might spend a lot on it, but that doesn't mean it looks that way or that they feel like they have to conform to anyone's expectations.

The swearing is the same. These are people who are used to not having to play by the rules. Sometimes they choose to be sophisticated, but they don't have to -- they can say f**k all they want, dress down, treat people poorly, etc., and unlike for the rest of us, there are no consequences. None of them is getting fired for swearing or not following a dress code. They won't lose friends over it either, because their friends are all there because of the money, too. I mean, Willa married Connor while openly admitting the money was a major reason why (and let's get real, any affection she has for him was developed after latching onto him for the money).

The poor language and bad clothes are of a piece with their overall awful behavior. The whole point of this show is that these people do not have to play by the same rules as the rest of us. People who don't understand that are like the people who rooted for Tony Soprano and Walter White. The point just whooshing right over their simple minds.

What a strange, strange post - especially your last sentences. But I get that you think you're far sharper and more clever than everyone else.
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What is strange about it? This is a well-known phenomenon -- people who root for the anti-heroes in shows that show them at their worst. Lots of people absolutely rooted for Tony and Walter to get away with their criminal behavior (including murder), and plenty of people root for the people on Succession to successfully get away with their own bad behavior (including stuff like Kendall getting away with killing that kid in the car crash) or chuckle at stuff like Roman's rocket exploding or all the malfeasance/abuse that occurred in Waystar's cruise business. Being able to watch these shows and not forget your ethical compass, and be able to empathize with these people without actually rooting for them to successfully kill, swindle, exploit, etc., is not a sign of being sharper or more clever, but it is a sign of having more self-awareness and not being so easily swayed by a work of fiction.

OMG.

?? What is your problem?

NP just spitballing here but probably the smug attitude exhibited in the previous post. That PP would probably scold people for admiring Robin Hood, the dirty rotten thief.

Uuuuh, rooting for the Roy family is not akin to rooting for Robin Hood (well Ewan might be kind of, but notice he only intends to give his money to Greenpeace after he dies). It actually does sound to me like your moral compass is broken here. Might be why you were so triggered by the prior comments.

DP. You've been talking to multiple posters, all of whom agree that you're a sanctimonious twit. It's a show - get over yourself.

I'm a DP, and disagree with you. I thought the PP's analysis was interesting and don't really get why you are (or all of you, if there are multiple) are so worked up about it. It's definitely true that people sometimes start rooting for anti-heroes and are weirdly comfortably overlooking really horrible behavior. I've even read interviews with creators of shows like this who express surprise about how much people will root for characters they've written to be terrible.

Also, if the Roy's are characters in Robin Hood, they are obviously Prince John, trying to steal the kingdom from the king (though that makes Logan Good King Richard, which doesn't track -- it's actually a pretty poor analogy).

Anyway, if you don't agree, just move along. Posting multiple non-substantive criticisms of the PP where you just insult them and call them names is significantly less interesting to read than a theory that I may or may not agree with. At least PP put some thought into it. You are just being mindlessly nasty.

Interesting. You clearly seem unperturbed by these statements, made by the PPP in question, that repulsed everyone in the first place:

"People who don't understand that are like the people who rooted for Tony Soprano and Walter White. The point just whooshing right over their simple minds."

Being told by some smug, sanctimonious twit that everyone else is too "simple" to understand what's "really going on" gives us a real window into that PP's extremely inflated view of herself.

If you read that and felt injured or angered by it, the “sanctimonious twit” has your number.

Of course the show is making some comments about the morality of these people. If you don’t see that and I stead just unabashedly pick your favorite Roy sibling and hope they win the prize, then yes, you are missing the point.