Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

[Anonymous]

What are "àll" the sexual texts from Blake? I only remember the never with teeth one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DP. I don't have any interest in defending RR for the Olivia Wilde thing (or the thing with his kid). He can figure that out for himself. Maybe someone should talk to Wilde about how she felt about it. Maybe CPS should look in on their kid.

But it's a distraction. We actually do not have to decide who's worse, RR or Baldoni. That's not even on the table. And even if RR is guilty of everything people are suggesting about him, even if it turns out BL is a jerk too and none of her former costars like her, it still doesn't mean it's okay if Baldoni did what he is alleged to have done.

Accountability for all. You cannot absolve Baldoni of accountability for his actions by arguing that RR might have done something as bad or worse. Baldoni has to stand on his own two feet here. He needs to be accountable for his own behavior. When you refuse to discuss what he is alleged to have done but insist on constantly changing the subject to BL being rude to an interviewer years ago, or something RR said about a sex scene with Olivia Wilde even longer ago, I can't take you seriously.

Try treating the allegations against Baldoni as seriously as you treat the allegations against RR and BL. Just try.

But, it’s not a distraction. People are simply pointing out the utter hypocrisy. Blake knew what she had signed up for. There was a nudity rider being prepared, she texted Justin that she wanted the body scenes to be delayed, knowing that there would be intimate scenes where she shows her body, and she was going to be self-conscious. She knew in pre production there was an intimacy coordinator he wanted her to meet, early on.

It seems like Hollywood has made great strides to make women more comfortable on sets, and the introduction of intimacy coordinators is a great thing. But there has to be some kind of balance. What people who are against Blake and don’t believe her clearly think is that she took several things out of context and made them into sexual harassment to serve her own purposes.

Pointing out that Ryan behaves terribly onset, makes jokes about awkward intimate scenes, clearly improvised grabbing a woman’s boobs to put back on pasties, which obviously must’ve taken her by surprise and she wasn’t expecting nor was it scripted, and that Blake herself can be quite bawdy and have sexual innuendos with Justin. And the latest rounds making the Internet is her grabbing Justin, and biting his lower lip during a kissing scene, which she had accused him of doing.

It makes it look like Ryan and Blake have two sets of rules, one for people they want to destroy and steal movies from, and then for everybody else.

The dancing scene was not scripted with kissing, that was added in the moment on set. She was not prepared for that on the day of shooting and tried to advocate for something else and was ignored.

The birth scene was not scripted as a nude scene and they didn't even mention they wanted it nude until the day it was filmed. Lively had to fight to have her breasts covered in the scene. She's also simulating lower body nudity in the scene, which was more than was scripted.

It would have been SO EASY for Wayfarer to tell Blake's team "we want to get the nudity rider in place by [date of birth scene] because Baldoni wants to film that with full or partial nudity," which would have given her warning they wanted nudity in that scene and resolved the issue with the nudity rider before any nudity was filmed. From Blake's perspective, there was no rush on the nudity rider because none of the *scripted* nude/intimate scenes were to be filmed imminently. Whey didn't Wayfarer do that? Why not tell your lead actress that you expect her to be nude in a scene? It's either incompetence or they were hoping to force her into it by pushing it last minute.

Blake did not decline to meet the IC. She says in her response to Justin that she wants to meet the IC on the set instead of at a meet and greet before filming. Her declining that one pre-production meeting has no meaning whatsoever. Justin has also given the impression that he was trying to arrange a meeting for Justin, Blake, and the IC to go through all the intimate scenes together and that's what Blake declined, but his own text messages disprove that. He tells her he just hired an intimacy coordinator and would like to set up a time for them to meet or FaceTime within the next week, and Lively says she will meet her on set. There is no proposal for Lively to review intimacy scenes with her and no indication that Lively is turning down the IC altogether (the opposite, she says she will see her onset) or that Lively is disinterested in having an IC. Baldoni and Freedman have twisted the facts on the IC to try and make it seem like Blake didn't want one, but that's not what happened even according to Baldoni's own timeline.

Regarding Ryan, he and Blake are two different people. If he is a harasser on set, that doesn't make her a hypocrite for alleging she was harassed. If anything, if it turns out Blake is married to a guy who is harassing and violates boundaries, it would make sense that she'd be sensitive to that kind of behavior. If Ryan is such a terrible guy, maybe he is terrible to Blake, in which case no wonder she felt unsafe when she was in a car with Baldoni and he started talking about having violated consent with women in the past.

The stuff about the onscreen intimacy in IEWU and whether they were doing things that were scripted or not and whether either of them crossed lines in scenes will need to be hashed out in litigation. It's impossible to know from a paparazzi clip if they were doing something explicitly scripted and choreographed, or if one of them was improvising. If it turns out that Lively improvised lip biting in scenes then yes, that would change my view on those allegations against Baldoni. But it hasn't been determined yet. And it also would not change my current view on stuff like the birth scene, the birth video, the conversations on set about sex and pornography, and others of her allegations.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. I don't have any interest in defending RR for the Olivia Wilde thing (or the thing with his kid). He can figure that out for himself. Maybe someone should talk to Wilde about how she felt about it. Maybe CPS should look in on their kid.

But it's a distraction. We actually do not have to decide who's worse, RR or Baldoni. That's not even on the table. And even if RR is guilty of everything people are suggesting about him, even if it turns out BL is a jerk too and none of her former costars like her, it still doesn't mean it's okay if Baldoni did what he is alleged to have done.

Accountability for all. You cannot absolve Baldoni of accountability for his actions by arguing that RR might have done something as bad or worse. Baldoni has to stand on his own two feet here. He needs to be accountable for his own behavior. When you refuse to discuss what he is alleged to have done but insist on constantly changing the subject to BL being rude to an interviewer years ago, or something RR said about a sex scene with Olivia Wilde even longer ago, I can't take you seriously.

Try treating the allegations against Baldoni as seriously as you treat the allegations against RR and BL. Just try.

But, it’s not a distraction. People are simply pointing out the utter hypocrisy. Blake knew what she had signed up for. There was a nudity rider being prepared, she texted Justin that she wanted the body scenes to be delayed, knowing that there would be intimate scenes where she shows her body, and she was going to be self-conscious. She knew in pre production there was an intimacy coordinator he wanted her to meet, early on.

It seems like Hollywood has made great strides to make women more comfortable on sets, and the introduction of intimacy coordinators is a great thing. But there has to be some kind of balance. What people who are against Blake and don’t believe her clearly think is that she took several things out of context and made them into sexual harassment to serve her own purposes.

Pointing out that Ryan behaves terribly onset, makes jokes about awkward intimate scenes, clearly improvised grabbing a woman’s boobs to put back on pasties, which obviously must’ve taken her by surprise and she wasn’t expecting nor was it scripted, and that Blake herself can be quite bawdy and have sexual innuendos with Justin. And the latest rounds making the Internet is her grabbing Justin, and biting his lower lip during a kissing scene, which she had accused him of doing.

It makes it look like Ryan and Blake have two sets of rules, one for people they want to destroy and steal movies from, and then for everybody else.

The dancing scene was not scripted with kissing, that was added in the moment on set. She was not prepared for that on the day of shooting and tried to advocate for something else and was ignored.

The birth scene was not scripted as a nude scene and they didn't even mention they wanted it nude until the day it was filmed. Lively had to fight to have her breasts covered in the scene. She's also simulating lower body nudity in the scene, which was more than was scripted.

It would have been SO EASY for Wayfarer to tell Blake's team "we want to get the nudity rider in place by [date of birth scene] because Baldoni wants to film that with full or partial nudity," which would have given her warning they wanted nudity in that scene and resolved the issue with the nudity rider before any nudity was filmed. From Blake's perspective, there was no rush on the nudity rider because none of the *scripted* nude/intimate scenes were to be filmed imminently. Whey didn't Wayfarer do that? Why not tell your lead actress that you expect her to be nude in a scene? It's either incompetence or they were hoping to force her into it by pushing it last minute.

Blake did not decline to meet the IC. She says in her response to Justin that she wants to meet the IC on the set instead of at a meet and greet before filming. Her declining that one pre-production meeting has no meaning whatsoever. Justin has also given the impression that he was trying to arrange a meeting for Justin, Blake, and the IC to go through all the intimate scenes together and that's what Blake declined, but his own text messages disprove that. He tells her he just hired an intimacy coordinator and would like to set up a time for them to meet or FaceTime within the next week, and Lively says she will meet her on set. There is no proposal for Lively to review intimacy scenes with her and no indication that Lively is turning down the IC altogether (the opposite, she says she will see her onset) or that Lively is disinterested in having an IC. Baldoni and Freedman have twisted the facts on the IC to try and make it seem like Blake didn't want one, but that's not what happened even according to Baldoni's own timeline.

Regarding Ryan, he and Blake are two different people. If he is a harasser on set, that doesn't make her a hypocrite for alleging she was harassed. If anything, if it turns out Blake is married to a guy who is harassing and violates boundaries, it would make sense that she'd be sensitive to that kind of behavior. If Ryan is such a terrible guy, maybe he is terrible to Blake, in which case no wonder she felt unsafe when she was in a car with Baldoni and he started talking about having violated consent with women in the past.

The stuff about the onscreen intimacy in IEWU and whether they were doing things that were scripted or not and whether either of them crossed lines in scenes will need to be hashed out in litigation. It's impossible to know from a paparazzi clip if they were doing something explicitly scripted and choreographed, or if one of them was improvising. If it turns out that Lively improvised lip biting in scenes then yes, that would change my view on those allegations against Baldoni. But it hasn't been determined yet. And it also would not change my current view on stuff like the birth scene, the birth video, the conversations on set about sex and pornography, and others of her allegations.

Remember there are multiple parties to this lawsuit, including Ryan. Ryan told WME JB was a predator and then he doubled down in his MTD saying it again and saying JB can’t sue over hurt feelings. Ryan’s behavior definitely makes him a hypocrite.

The kid pool stuff is disgusting. I’m sure as the mom, Blake was consulted and decided to allow it. Remember Ryan admitted the daughter didn’t want to say the line but acquiesced after he said he’d have to find someone else to play the part. Here we are going back and forth about a creative discussion over a birthing scene with grown adults, yet so many of you are glossing over the creative discussion they clearly had with their own daughter about a highly inappropriate line (which was apparently even more disturbing in the original script).

These things may not be admissible in court, but they’re out there for we the public to see and it calls into question their extreme fragility when it came to anything JB did. These are not fragile people. These are people who grab women’s naked breasts and make their own kid say lines they’re not comfortable with. So if they’re not that fragile, then why did they accuse JB of SH. Oh that’s right, to steal the movie.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. I don't have any interest in defending RR for the Olivia Wilde thing (or the thing with his kid). He can figure that out for himself. Maybe someone should talk to Wilde about how she felt about it. Maybe CPS should look in on their kid.

But it's a distraction. We actually do not have to decide who's worse, RR or Baldoni. That's not even on the table. And even if RR is guilty of everything people are suggesting about him, even if it turns out BL is a jerk too and none of her former costars like her, it still doesn't mean it's okay if Baldoni did what he is alleged to have done.

Accountability for all. You cannot absolve Baldoni of accountability for his actions by arguing that RR might have done something as bad or worse. Baldoni has to stand on his own two feet here. He needs to be accountable for his own behavior. When you refuse to discuss what he is alleged to have done but insist on constantly changing the subject to BL being rude to an interviewer years ago, or something RR said about a sex scene with Olivia Wilde even longer ago, I can't take you seriously.

Try treating the allegations against Baldoni as seriously as you treat the allegations against RR and BL. Just try.

But, it’s not a distraction. People are simply pointing out the utter hypocrisy. Blake knew what she had signed up for. There was a nudity rider being prepared, she texted Justin that she wanted the body scenes to be delayed, knowing that there would be intimate scenes where she shows her body, and she was going to be self-conscious. She knew in pre production there was an intimacy coordinator he wanted her to meet, early on.

It seems like Hollywood has made great strides to make women more comfortable on sets, and the introduction of intimacy coordinators is a great thing. But there has to be some kind of balance. What people who are against Blake and don’t believe her clearly think is that she took several things out of context and made them into sexual harassment to serve her own purposes.

Pointing out that Ryan behaves terribly onset, makes jokes about awkward intimate scenes, clearly improvised grabbing a woman’s boobs to put back on pasties, which obviously must’ve taken her by surprise and she wasn’t expecting nor was it scripted, and that Blake herself can be quite bawdy and have sexual innuendos with Justin. And the latest rounds making the Internet is her grabbing Justin, and biting his lower lip during a kissing scene, which she had accused him of doing.

It makes it look like Ryan and Blake have two sets of rules, one for people they want to destroy and steal movies from, and then for everybody else.

The dancing scene was not scripted with kissing, that was added in the moment on set. She was not prepared for that on the day of shooting and tried to advocate for something else and was ignored.

The birth scene was not scripted as a nude scene and they didn't even mention they wanted it nude until the day it was filmed. Lively had to fight to have her breasts covered in the scene. She's also simulating lower body nudity in the scene, which was more than was scripted.

It would have been SO EASY for Wayfarer to tell Blake's team "we want to get the nudity rider in place by [date of birth scene] because Baldoni wants to film that with full or partial nudity," which would have given her warning they wanted nudity in that scene and resolved the issue with the nudity rider before any nudity was filmed. From Blake's perspective, there was no rush on the nudity rider because none of the *scripted* nude/intimate scenes were to be filmed imminently. Whey didn't Wayfarer do that? Why not tell your lead actress that you expect her to be nude in a scene? It's either incompetence or they were hoping to force her into it by pushing it last minute.

Blake did not decline to meet the IC. She says in her response to Justin that she wants to meet the IC on the set instead of at a meet and greet before filming. Her declining that one pre-production meeting has no meaning whatsoever. Justin has also given the impression that he was trying to arrange a meeting for Justin, Blake, and the IC to go through all the intimate scenes together and that's what Blake declined, but his own text messages disprove that. He tells her he just hired an intimacy coordinator and would like to set up a time for them to meet or FaceTime within the next week, and Lively says she will meet her on set. There is no proposal for Lively to review intimacy scenes with her and no indication that Lively is turning down the IC altogether (the opposite, she says she will see her onset) or that Lively is disinterested in having an IC. Baldoni and Freedman have twisted the facts on the IC to try and make it seem like Blake didn't want one, but that's not what happened even according to Baldoni's own timeline.

Regarding Ryan, he and Blake are two different people. If he is a harasser on set, that doesn't make her a hypocrite for alleging she was harassed. If anything, if it turns out Blake is married to a guy who is harassing and violates boundaries, it would make sense that she'd be sensitive to that kind of behavior. If Ryan is such a terrible guy, maybe he is terrible to Blake, in which case no wonder she felt unsafe when she was in a car with Baldoni and he started talking about having violated consent with women in the past.

The stuff about the onscreen intimacy in IEWU and whether they were doing things that were scripted or not and whether either of them crossed lines in scenes will need to be hashed out in litigation. It's impossible to know from a paparazzi clip if they were doing something explicitly scripted and choreographed, or if one of them was improvising. If it turns out that Lively improvised lip biting in scenes then yes, that would change my view on those allegations against Baldoni. But it hasn't been determined yet. And it also would not change my current view on stuff like the birth scene, the birth video, the conversations on set about sex and pornography, and others of her allegations.

Remember there are multiple parties to this lawsuit, including Ryan. Ryan told WME JB was a predator and then he doubled down in his MTD saying it again and saying JB can’t sue over hurt feelings. Ryan’s behavior definitely makes him a hypocrite.

The kid pool stuff is disgusting. I’m sure as the mom, Blake was consulted and decided to allow it. Remember Ryan admitted the daughter didn’t want to say the line but acquiesced after he said he’d have to find someone else to play the part. Here we are going back and forth about a creative discussion over a birthing scene with grown adults, yet so many of you are glossing over the creative discussion they clearly had with their own daughter about a highly inappropriate line (which was apparently even more disturbing in the original script).

These things may not be admissible in court, but they’re out there for we the public to see and it calls into question their extreme fragility when it came to anything JB did. These are not fragile people. These are people who grab women’s naked breasts and make their own kid say lines they’re not comfortable with. So if they’re not that fragile, then why did they accuse JB of SH. Oh that’s right, to steal the movie.

There are not multiple parties to Blake's lawsuit against Baldoni. She is the sole plaintiff. Ryan Reynolds is not suing Baldoni. Ryan Reynolds is not alleging Baldoni harassed him.

Baldoni dragged Ryan in by alleging a bunch of claims against him. Many if not all of which might be dismissed soon. This stuff about Ryan is a side show. It's Baldoni and Freedman trying to deflect from what happened between Baldoni and Blake (and Heath and Blake).

Ryan Reynolds did not sue Baldoni and Wayfarer.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. I don't have any interest in defending RR for the Olivia Wilde thing (or the thing with his kid). He can figure that out for himself. Maybe someone should talk to Wilde about how she felt about it. Maybe CPS should look in on their kid.

But it's a distraction. We actually do not have to decide who's worse, RR or Baldoni. That's not even on the table. And even if RR is guilty of everything people are suggesting about him, even if it turns out BL is a jerk too and none of her former costars like her, it still doesn't mean it's okay if Baldoni did what he is alleged to have done.

Accountability for all. You cannot absolve Baldoni of accountability for his actions by arguing that RR might have done something as bad or worse. Baldoni has to stand on his own two feet here. He needs to be accountable for his own behavior. When you refuse to discuss what he is alleged to have done but insist on constantly changing the subject to BL being rude to an interviewer years ago, or something RR said about a sex scene with Olivia Wilde even longer ago, I can't take you seriously.

Try treating the allegations against Baldoni as seriously as you treat the allegations against RR and BL. Just try.

That’s the problem. The allegations against Baldoni are not as serious. What Ryan did would actually qualify as assault. BL’s accusations against JB are so minor that in most cases you can find examples of similar things that BL herself did or there’s evidence she lied about them to make them seem worse. Because none of the accusations on their own rise to the level of SH, BL has to show pervasiveness, and it all seems really forced like she put together a laundry list of minor infractions to fit her narrative.

Dp and lawyer who is not an employment lawyer but I did have to oversee several SH allegation situations at work. This is exactly it. None of BLs allegations seem particularly worthy of any kind of claim, especially given the context (this is not an accounting firm but a movie set where their JOBs are to be in a romantic relationship together and BL (and RR) sent texts that are arguably more flirty and unprofessional than anything JB sent). Her claims on their face are a stretch, and when you add in the additional context of the timing and what was going on with her trying to wrestle control of the film, they seem like bad faith.

Uncomfortable does not equal SH.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. I don't have any interest in defending RR for the Olivia Wilde thing (or the thing with his kid). He can figure that out for himself. Maybe someone should talk to Wilde about how she felt about it. Maybe CPS should look in on their kid.

But it's a distraction. We actually do not have to decide who's worse, RR or Baldoni. That's not even on the table. And even if RR is guilty of everything people are suggesting about him, even if it turns out BL is a jerk too and none of her former costars like her, it still doesn't mean it's okay if Baldoni did what he is alleged to have done.

Accountability for all. You cannot absolve Baldoni of accountability for his actions by arguing that RR might have done something as bad or worse. Baldoni has to stand on his own two feet here. He needs to be accountable for his own behavior. When you refuse to discuss what he is alleged to have done but insist on constantly changing the subject to BL being rude to an interviewer years ago, or something RR said about a sex scene with Olivia Wilde even longer ago, I can't take you seriously.

Try treating the allegations against Baldoni as seriously as you treat the allegations against RR and BL. Just try.

But, it’s not a distraction. People are simply pointing out the utter hypocrisy. Blake knew what she had signed up for. There was a nudity rider being prepared, she texted Justin that she wanted the body scenes to be delayed, knowing that there would be intimate scenes where she shows her body, and she was going to be self-conscious. She knew in pre production there was an intimacy coordinator he wanted her to meet, early on.

It seems like Hollywood has made great strides to make women more comfortable on sets, and the introduction of intimacy coordinators is a great thing. But there has to be some kind of balance. What people who are against Blake and don’t believe her clearly think is that she took several things out of context and made them into sexual harassment to serve her own purposes.

Pointing out that Ryan behaves terribly onset, makes jokes about awkward intimate scenes, clearly improvised grabbing a woman’s boobs to put back on pasties, which obviously must’ve taken her by surprise and she wasn’t expecting nor was it scripted, and that Blake herself can be quite bawdy and have sexual innuendos with Justin. And the latest rounds making the Internet is her grabbing Justin, and biting his lower lip during a kissing scene, which she had accused him of doing.

It makes it look like Ryan and Blake have two sets of rules, one for people they want to destroy and steal movies from, and then for everybody else.

The dancing scene was not scripted with kissing, that was added in the moment on set. She was not prepared for that on the day of shooting and tried to advocate for something else and was ignored.

The birth scene was not scripted as a nude scene and they didn't even mention they wanted it nude until the day it was filmed. Lively had to fight to have her breasts covered in the scene. She's also simulating lower body nudity in the scene, which was more than was scripted.

It would have been SO EASY for Wayfarer to tell Blake's team "we want to get the nudity rider in place by [date of birth scene] because Baldoni wants to film that with full or partial nudity," which would have given her warning they wanted nudity in that scene and resolved the issue with the nudity rider before any nudity was filmed. From Blake's perspective, there was no rush on the nudity rider because none of the *scripted* nude/intimate scenes were to be filmed imminently. Whey didn't Wayfarer do that? Why not tell your lead actress that you expect her to be nude in a scene? It's either incompetence or they were hoping to force her into it by pushing it last minute.

Blake did not decline to meet the IC. She says in her response to Justin that she wants to meet the IC on the set instead of at a meet and greet before filming. Her declining that one pre-production meeting has no meaning whatsoever. Justin has also given the impression that he was trying to arrange a meeting for Justin, Blake, and the IC to go through all the intimate scenes together and that's what Blake declined, but his own text messages disprove that. He tells her he just hired an intimacy coordinator and would like to set up a time for them to meet or FaceTime within the next week, and Lively says she will meet her on set. There is no proposal for Lively to review intimacy scenes with her and no indication that Lively is turning down the IC altogether (the opposite, she says she will see her onset) or that Lively is disinterested in having an IC. Baldoni and Freedman have twisted the facts on the IC to try and make it seem like Blake didn't want one, but that's not what happened even according to Baldoni's own timeline.

Regarding Ryan, he and Blake are two different people. If he is a harasser on set, that doesn't make her a hypocrite for alleging she was harassed. If anything, if it turns out Blake is married to a guy who is harassing and violates boundaries, it would make sense that she'd be sensitive to that kind of behavior. If Ryan is such a terrible guy, maybe he is terrible to Blake, in which case no wonder she felt unsafe when she was in a car with Baldoni and he started talking about having violated consent with women in the past.

The stuff about the onscreen intimacy in IEWU and whether they were doing things that were scripted or not and whether either of them crossed lines in scenes will need to be hashed out in litigation. It's impossible to know from a paparazzi clip if they were doing something explicitly scripted and choreographed, or if one of them was improvising. If it turns out that Lively improvised lip biting in scenes then yes, that would change my view on those allegations against Baldoni. But it hasn't been determined yet. And it also would not change my current view on stuff like the birth scene, the birth video, the conversations on set about sex and pornography, and others of her allegations.

I agree with all of this. And Bravo to you for coming back and patiently explaining the actual facts.

I also think Team Baldoni spends an inordinate amount of time looking for and commenting on old videos or stories as ammunition for their distraction machine. I wonder whether this missing video is from the film itself — if not it suggests Baldoni’s team is pouring through all the shot footage and cherry-picking anything that might remotely help their narrative while ignoring the footage that fits hers. That sounds totally fair lol. Wonder what else is in all that footage and I hope Lively subpoenas it all.

On a lighter note, I cannot really imagine being an associate or maybe even paralegal at one of these firms and getting paid whatever an hour to review and summarize all of this footage and clip the best and worst portions. And the text messages. What a crazy world.

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Anonymous wrote:What are "àll" the sexual texts from Blake? I only remember the never with teeth one.

They’ve been rehashed multiple times on this thread or you can just go to Justin‘s timeline. Like Justin‘s actions there there is a lot of nuance. It’s not like she was sending him nudes.

she made a joke about her a hole and suppositories. Which again is not really a big deal, but so much of what he did didn’t seem like a big deal. It seems hypocritical to call him out for something subtle when she crossed boundaries herself.

She also had no problem talking about the sexiness of her characters wardrobe, but when Justin did, it was sexual harassment.

If there was a hostile work environment, she should not have invited Heath to her trailer while she was getting makeup off and breast feeding. He was trying to accommodate her because she wanted to go home and was going to miss the larger producers meeting happening later.

She also should not have invited Justin to private spaces like her private jet if she was uncomfortable with him, and since he clearly had sent that text to Ryan, he just seems like the guy that doesn’t like to be alone with women who are not his wife. When she invited him to run lines while she was pumping, he did not go. He actually said I’m eating right now, will come over later, which implies after she’s done pumping, and then even said I’ll find you on that side of the set. Clearly implying he wasn’t interested in going in her trailer.

I thought he did a good job of putting boundaries up she continually kept crossing them.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. I don't have any interest in defending RR for the Olivia Wilde thing (or the thing with his kid). He can figure that out for himself. Maybe someone should talk to Wilde about how she felt about it. Maybe CPS should look in on their kid.

But it's a distraction. We actually do not have to decide who's worse, RR or Baldoni. That's not even on the table. And even if RR is guilty of everything people are suggesting about him, even if it turns out BL is a jerk too and none of her former costars like her, it still doesn't mean it's okay if Baldoni did what he is alleged to have done.

Accountability for all. You cannot absolve Baldoni of accountability for his actions by arguing that RR might have done something as bad or worse. Baldoni has to stand on his own two feet here. He needs to be accountable for his own behavior. When you refuse to discuss what he is alleged to have done but insist on constantly changing the subject to BL being rude to an interviewer years ago, or something RR said about a sex scene with Olivia Wilde even longer ago, I can't take you seriously.

Try treating the allegations against Baldoni as seriously as you treat the allegations against RR and BL. Just try.

But, it’s not a distraction. People are simply pointing out the utter hypocrisy. Blake knew what she had signed up for. There was a nudity rider being prepared, she texted Justin that she wanted the body scenes to be delayed, knowing that there would be intimate scenes where she shows her body, and she was going to be self-conscious. She knew in pre production there was an intimacy coordinator he wanted her to meet, early on.

It seems like Hollywood has made great strides to make women more comfortable on sets, and the introduction of intimacy coordinators is a great thing. But there has to be some kind of balance. What people who are against Blake and don’t believe her clearly think is that she took several things out of context and made them into sexual harassment to serve her own purposes.

Pointing out that Ryan behaves terribly onset, makes jokes about awkward intimate scenes, clearly improvised grabbing a woman’s boobs to put back on pasties, which obviously must’ve taken her by surprise and she wasn’t expecting nor was it scripted, and that Blake herself can be quite bawdy and have sexual innuendos with Justin. And the latest rounds making the Internet is her grabbing Justin, and biting his lower lip during a kissing scene, which she had accused him of doing.

It makes it look like Ryan and Blake have two sets of rules, one for people they want to destroy and steal movies from, and then for everybody else.

The dancing scene was not scripted with kissing, that was added in the moment on set. She was not prepared for that on the day of shooting and tried to advocate for something else and was ignored.

The birth scene was not scripted as a nude scene and they didn't even mention they wanted it nude until the day it was filmed. Lively had to fight to have her breasts covered in the scene. She's also simulating lower body nudity in the scene, which was more than was scripted.

It would have been SO EASY for Wayfarer to tell Blake's team "we want to get the nudity rider in place by [date of birth scene] because Baldoni wants to film that with full or partial nudity," which would have given her warning they wanted nudity in that scene and resolved the issue with the nudity rider before any nudity was filmed. From Blake's perspective, there was no rush on the nudity rider because none of the *scripted* nude/intimate scenes were to be filmed imminently. Whey didn't Wayfarer do that? Why not tell your lead actress that you expect her to be nude in a scene? It's either incompetence or they were hoping to force her into it by pushing it last minute.

Blake did not decline to meet the IC. She says in her response to Justin that she wants to meet the IC on the set instead of at a meet and greet before filming. Her declining that one pre-production meeting has no meaning whatsoever. Justin has also given the impression that he was trying to arrange a meeting for Justin, Blake, and the IC to go through all the intimate scenes together and that's what Blake declined, but his own text messages disprove that. He tells her he just hired an intimacy coordinator and would like to set up a time for them to meet or FaceTime within the next week, and Lively says she will meet her on set. There is no proposal for Lively to review intimacy scenes with her and no indication that Lively is turning down the IC altogether (the opposite, she says she will see her onset) or that Lively is disinterested in having an IC. Baldoni and Freedman have twisted the facts on the IC to try and make it seem like Blake didn't want one, but that's not what happened even according to Baldoni's own timeline.

Regarding Ryan, he and Blake are two different people. If he is a harasser on set, that doesn't make her a hypocrite for alleging she was harassed. If anything, if it turns out Blake is married to a guy who is harassing and violates boundaries, it would make sense that she'd be sensitive to that kind of behavior. If Ryan is such a terrible guy, maybe he is terrible to Blake, in which case no wonder she felt unsafe when she was in a car with Baldoni and he started talking about having violated consent with women in the past.

The stuff about the onscreen intimacy in IEWU and whether they were doing things that were scripted or not and whether either of them crossed lines in scenes will need to be hashed out in litigation. It's impossible to know from a paparazzi clip if they were doing something explicitly scripted and choreographed, or if one of them was improvising. If it turns out that Lively improvised lip biting in scenes then yes, that would change my view on those allegations against Baldoni. But it hasn't been determined yet. And it also would not change my current view on stuff like the birth scene, the birth video, the conversations on set about sex and pornography, and others of her allegations.

Remember there are multiple parties to this lawsuit, including Ryan. Ryan told WME JB was a predator and then he doubled down in his MTD saying it again and saying JB can’t sue over hurt feelings. Ryan’s behavior definitely makes him a hypocrite.

The kid pool stuff is disgusting. I’m sure as the mom, Blake was consulted and decided to allow it. Remember Ryan admitted the daughter didn’t want to say the line but acquiesced after he said he’d have to find someone else to play the part. Here we are going back and forth about a creative discussion over a birthing scene with grown adults, yet so many of you are glossing over the creative discussion they clearly had with their own daughter about a highly inappropriate line (which was apparently even more disturbing in the original script).

These things may not be admissible in court, but they’re out there for we the public to see and it calls into question their extreme fragility when it came to anything JB did. These are not fragile people. These are people who grab women’s naked breasts and make their own kid say lines they’re not comfortable with. So if they’re not that fragile, then why did they accuse JB of SH. Oh that’s right, to steal the movie.

There are not multiple parties to Blake's lawsuit against Baldoni. She is the sole plaintiff. Ryan Reynolds is not suing Baldoni. Ryan Reynolds is not alleging Baldoni harassed him.

Baldoni dragged Ryan in by alleging a bunch of claims against him. Many if not all of which might be dismissed soon. This stuff about Ryan is a side show. It's Baldoni and Freedman trying to deflect from what happened between Baldoni and Blake (and Heath and Blake).

Ryan Reynolds did not sue Baldoni and Wayfarer.

No, Ryan’s not suing JB, he’s just using his immense power to bully and ruin him. Ryan on multiple occasions has screamed at JB and there are witnesses. Ryan got JB fired and Ari basically admitted this. Ryan handled the promo that conveniently excluded JB. Ryan rewrote scenes in the movie without permission. Blake admitted that he’s involved in everything she does, and it’s clear he was involved in the bullying and defamation of JB and the takeover of the movie. And that’s why JB is suing Ryan. So yes, there are multiple parties to this lawsuit.

And I guess you’ll keep glossing over the kid pool stuff b/c it doesn’t fit your narrative that Ryan and Blake are different people. Well she’s the mom.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. I don't have any interest in defending RR for the Olivia Wilde thing (or the thing with his kid). He can figure that out for himself. Maybe someone should talk to Wilde about how she felt about it. Maybe CPS should look in on their kid.

But it's a distraction. We actually do not have to decide who's worse, RR or Baldoni. That's not even on the table. And even if RR is guilty of everything people are suggesting about him, even if it turns out BL is a jerk too and none of her former costars like her, it still doesn't mean it's okay if Baldoni did what he is alleged to have done.

Accountability for all. You cannot absolve Baldoni of accountability for his actions by arguing that RR might have done something as bad or worse. Baldoni has to stand on his own two feet here. He needs to be accountable for his own behavior. When you refuse to discuss what he is alleged to have done but insist on constantly changing the subject to BL being rude to an interviewer years ago, or something RR said about a sex scene with Olivia Wilde even longer ago, I can't take you seriously.

Try treating the allegations against Baldoni as seriously as you treat the allegations against RR and BL. Just try.

That’s the problem. The allegations against Baldoni are not as serious. What Ryan did would actually qualify as assault. BL’s accusations against JB are so minor that in most cases you can find examples of similar things that BL herself did or there’s evidence she lied about them to make them seem worse. Because none of the accusations on their own rise to the level of SH, BL has to show pervasiveness, and it all seems really forced like she put together a laundry list of minor infractions to fit her narrative.

It is not a contest.

I do not find BL's allegations against Baldoni to be minor.

And you misunderstand how SH works. You, like many people, are confusing SH and SA. There are two kinds of SH:

1. Quid pro quo, where an employee is propositioned in a sexual way with the threat or promise of professional punishment/reward if the proposition is not accepted. Lively doesn't allege this kind of SH.

2. Hostile work environment. In hostile work environment, you don't need the individual examples of harassment to be considered SH on their own. The point is that the examples add up to such a degree that the plaintiff feels it impedes their ability to do their job. Not all behaviors in a hostile work environment case need to be sexual in nature, and not all would be considered harassment on their own. Together they must be "severe and pervasive" enough to create a hostile work environment.

You can decide what she alleges doesn't sound severe and pervasive to you. That's your prerogative. But Hostile work environment cases are ALWAYS a "laundry list" of incidences. It's literally how you are supposed to plead the elements of claim.

Some of you seem to believe that if there is not sexual assault, there can't be sexual harassment. This is not the case. Sexual assault is a criminal offense. It's a totally different thing. Sexual harassment is a civil offense, and does not always even involve sexual situations. Sexual harassment can exist where an employee is harassed in a non sexual way but where they are targeted for their sex. So for instance, telling a woman what is "normal" during childbirth, or that she is "weird" for not wanting to look at your wife's birth video, could be sexual harassment even though these situations are not sexual in nature. They are harassing, and they are targeted at a woman specifically because she's a woman -- only a woman will film a scene portraying childbirth, so only a woman would be on the receiving end of these remarks. They also are more harassing towards a woman because there is a clear implication that the way she gave birth might not be "normal" or that if she wasn't "weird" she would enjoy watching another woman's birth video.

This stuff is sexual harassment. Lively still has to prove it happened, but what she's alleging is SH.

You just said the same thing I said about SA and SH but just used a lot more words. Glad we both agree what Ryan did could be considered criminal while BL needs to show pervasiveness in her case against JB. As for the birthing scene, sounds like a director telling an actor his creative vision, but if you want to make that into SH, go ahead.

No we are not saying the same thing.

BL is accusing Baldoni of SEXUAL HARASSMENT. You and others keep saying that what she's alleging can't be sexual harassment because, after all, he didn't sexually assault her. But she's not accusing him of sexual assault.

You can be guilty of sexual harassment with being guilty of sexual assault. They are not even particularly similar offenses. Sexual assault is the sexual version of assault. Sexual harassment is sex-based workplace harassment (not even necessarily sexual in nature).

Whether or not what RR did to Olivia Wilde is sexual assault has absolutely no bearing on whether what Baldoni did to BL was sexual harassment. They aren't even related! They are totally separate incidents and one does not really inform the other.

Also, a director's "creative vision" cannot violate the consent of his actors. That's illegal. And director is not a toddler playing with dolls. Actors are people. They have rights. You can't just force them to do whatever you want regardless of how they feel about it.

I know the difference between SA and SH and I think most people on here do as well. What BL alleged was not SH. There was obviously no quid pro quo and there was not a hostile work environment (other than the one that BL created, but it wasn’t a SH hostile work environment for purposes of the law)

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Anonymous wrote:DP. I don't have any interest in defending RR for the Olivia Wilde thing (or the thing with his kid). He can figure that out for himself. Maybe someone should talk to Wilde about how she felt about it. Maybe CPS should look in on their kid.

But it's a distraction. We actually do not have to decide who's worse, RR or Baldoni. That's not even on the table. And even if RR is guilty of everything people are suggesting about him, even if it turns out BL is a jerk too and none of her former costars like her, it still doesn't mean it's okay if Baldoni did what he is alleged to have done.

Accountability for all. You cannot absolve Baldoni of accountability for his actions by arguing that RR might have done something as bad or worse. Baldoni has to stand on his own two feet here. He needs to be accountable for his own behavior. When you refuse to discuss what he is alleged to have done but insist on constantly changing the subject to BL being rude to an interviewer years ago, or something RR said about a sex scene with Olivia Wilde even longer ago, I can't take you seriously.

Try treating the allegations against Baldoni as seriously as you treat the allegations against RR and BL. Just try.

But, it’s not a distraction. People are simply pointing out the utter hypocrisy. Blake knew what she had signed up for. There was a nudity rider being prepared, she texted Justin that she wanted the body scenes to be delayed, knowing that there would be intimate scenes where she shows her body, and she was going to be self-conscious. She knew in pre production there was an intimacy coordinator he wanted her to meet, early on.

It seems like Hollywood has made great strides to make women more comfortable on sets, and the introduction of intimacy coordinators is a great thing. But there has to be some kind of balance. What people who are against Blake and don’t believe her clearly think is that she took several things out of context and made them into sexual harassment to serve her own purposes.

Pointing out that Ryan behaves terribly onset, makes jokes about awkward intimate scenes, clearly improvised grabbing a woman’s boobs to put back on pasties, which obviously must’ve taken her by surprise and she wasn’t expecting nor was it scripted, and that Blake herself can be quite bawdy and have sexual innuendos with Justin. And the latest rounds making the Internet is her grabbing Justin, and biting his lower lip during a kissing scene, which she had accused him of doing.

It makes it look like Ryan and Blake have two sets of rules, one for people they want to destroy and steal movies from, and then for everybody else.

The dancing scene was not scripted with kissing, that was added in the moment on set. She was not prepared for that on the day of shooting and tried to advocate for something else and was ignored.

The birth scene was not scripted as a nude scene and they didn't even mention they wanted it nude until the day it was filmed. Lively had to fight to have her breasts covered in the scene. She's also simulating lower body nudity in the scene, which was more than was scripted.

It would have been SO EASY for Wayfarer to tell Blake's team "we want to get the nudity rider in place by [date of birth scene] because Baldoni wants to film that with full or partial nudity," which would have given her warning they wanted nudity in that scene and resolved the issue with the nudity rider before any nudity was filmed. From Blake's perspective, there was no rush on the nudity rider because none of the *scripted* nude/intimate scenes were to be filmed imminently. Whey didn't Wayfarer do that? Why not tell your lead actress that you expect her to be nude in a scene? It's either incompetence or they were hoping to force her into it by pushing it last minute.

Blake did not decline to meet the IC. She says in her response to Justin that she wants to meet the IC on the set instead of at a meet and greet before filming. Her declining that one pre-production meeting has no meaning whatsoever. Justin has also given the impression that he was trying to arrange a meeting for Justin, Blake, and the IC to go through all the intimate scenes together and that's what Blake declined, but his own text messages disprove that. He tells her he just hired an intimacy coordinator and would like to set up a time for them to meet or FaceTime within the next week, and Lively says she will meet her on set. There is no proposal for Lively to review intimacy scenes with her and no indication that Lively is turning down the IC altogether (the opposite, she says she will see her onset) or that Lively is disinterested in having an IC. Baldoni and Freedman have twisted the facts on the IC to try and make it seem like Blake didn't want one, but that's not what happened even according to Baldoni's own timeline.

Regarding Ryan, he and Blake are two different people. If he is a harasser on set, that doesn't make her a hypocrite for alleging she was harassed. If anything, if it turns out Blake is married to a guy who is harassing and violates boundaries, it would make sense that she'd be sensitive to that kind of behavior. If Ryan is such a terrible guy, maybe he is terrible to Blake, in which case no wonder she felt unsafe when she was in a car with Baldoni and he started talking about having violated consent with women in the past.

The stuff about the onscreen intimacy in IEWU and whether they were doing things that were scripted or not and whether either of them crossed lines in scenes will need to be hashed out in litigation. It's impossible to know from a paparazzi clip if they were doing something explicitly scripted and choreographed, or if one of them was improvising. If it turns out that Lively improvised lip biting in scenes then yes, that would change my view on those allegations against Baldoni. But it hasn't been determined yet. And it also would not change my current view on stuff like the birth scene, the birth video, the conversations on set about sex and pornography, and others of her allegations.

Wow, you’re making up a lot of of information here. she never said I will meet her on set. He said, I hired an intimacy coordinator and I’m really excited, I would love for you to meet her. I’ll set something up. And she said no I’m good. She didn’t make any plans to meet with her later on set so you’re just pulling that out of thin air.

She heavily implied in her 17 point list there was no coordinator. New York Times did nothing to clarify, it was only 10 days later when Justin clarified how involved the intimacy coordinator actually was. She was hired in preproduction, and Blake couldn’t be bothered to meet with her, forcing Justin to share notes Which Blake later turned against him and accused him of sexual harassment.

Further, I love it when people act as if they wanted to lower body nude scene when Blake was not in fact, pregnant. Why would they want to show a clearly non-pregnant woman in this scene. Please explain to me how they were going to have lower body nudity? The scene that they ended up being used there’s a shot of her thighs. If that is what you were talking about, I don’t think that is what would necessitate an intimacy coordinator considering I’ve seen that same shot of Blake walking around New York in shorts and short skirts.

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Anonymous wrote:What are "àll" the sexual texts from Blake? I only remember the never with teeth one.

They’ve been rehashed multiple times on this thread or you can just go to Justin‘s timeline. Like Justin‘s actions there there is a lot of nuance. It’s not like she was sending him nudes.

she made a joke about her a hole and suppositories. Which again is not really a big deal, but so much of what he did didn’t seem like a big deal. It seems hypocritical to call him out for something subtle when she crossed boundaries herself.

She also had no problem talking about the sexiness of her characters wardrobe, but when Justin did, it was sexual harassment.

If there was a hostile work environment, she should not have invited Heath to her trailer while she was getting makeup off and breast feeding. He was trying to accommodate her because she wanted to go home and was going to miss the larger producers meeting happening later.

She also should not have invited Justin to private spaces like her private jet if she was uncomfortable with him, and since he clearly had sent that text to Ryan, he just seems like the guy that doesn’t like to be alone with women who are not his wife. When she invited him to run lines while she was pumping, he did not go. He actually said I’m eating right now, will come over later, which implies after she’s done pumping, and then even said I’ll find you on that side of the set. Clearly implying he wasn’t interested in going in her trailer.

I thought he did a good job of putting boundaries up she continually kept crossing them.

+1 and let’s just reverse the roles for a second with the Heath thing. Imagine you’re in a movie and the half naked A-list male lead invites you into his trailer b/c he’s multitasking. He tells you to look at the wall while speaking at him. You at some point inadvertently look him in the eye b/c that’s what people do when they’re speaking to others. Then he turns it around on YOU and accuses you of trying to cop a look (because of course he knows you want him). If Blake were a man, she’d clearly be the harasser in this scenario.

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I just want to thank the PP who listed out how Baldoni supporters were getting both SH and the facts wrong for all your patience in doing so. I understand you can’t keep this up all day and fwiw imho there maybe isn’t much use in it, anyway. I know I say this a lot, but people in this thread are living in two separate realities. But anyway, I really appreciated seeing the facts and the law spelled out so clearly, and it reinforced my feelings on the case and also reassured me that I’m not alone fwiw. So, thank you.

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PP again and I’m not responding to most of what Baldoni people write above but it’s bananas to say you can’t invite someone on your private jet if you’re worried about their behavior. Putting them on your own turf instead of theirs, where your own staff will be present, is a great way to keep their behavior in check if in fact you must work together (which they had to).

If you are implying Baldoni felt sexually harassed by Lively, this seems to be more distraction since he has not made any sort of claim for that in his bombastic $400M complaint against her though he has had plenty of opportunity to do so.

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Anonymous wrote:What are "àll" the sexual texts from Blake? I only remember the never with teeth one.

They’ve been rehashed multiple times on this thread or you can just go to Justin‘s timeline. Like Justin‘s actions there there is a lot of nuance. It’s not like she was sending him nudes.

she made a joke about her a hole and suppositories. Which again is not really a big deal, but so much of what he did didn’t seem like a big deal. It seems hypocritical to call him out for something subtle when she crossed boundaries herself.

She also had no problem talking about the sexiness of her characters wardrobe, but when Justin did, it was sexual harassment.

If there was a hostile work environment, she should not have invited Heath to her trailer while she was getting makeup off and breast feeding. He was trying to accommodate her because she wanted to go home and was going to miss the larger producers meeting happening later.

She also should not have invited Justin to private spaces like her private jet if she was uncomfortable with him, and since he clearly had sent that text to Ryan, he just seems like the guy that doesn’t like to be alone with women who are not his wife. When she invited him to run lines while she was pumping, he did not go. He actually said I’m eating right now, will come over later, which implies after she’s done pumping, and then even said I’ll find you on that side of the set. Clearly implying he wasn’t interested in going in her trailer.

I thought he did a good job of putting boundaries up she continually kept crossing them.

+1 and let’s just reverse the roles for a second with the Heath thing. Imagine you’re in a movie and the half naked A-list male lead invites you into his trailer b/c he’s multitasking. He tells you to look at the wall while speaking at him. You at some point inadvertently look him in the eye b/c that’s what people do when they’re speaking to others. Then he turns it around on YOU and accuses you of trying to cop a look (because of course he knows you want him). If Blake were a man, she’d clearly be the harasser in this scenario.

That's a pretty good point. I feel that way about several of the things Blake did and said, that you could easily turn them around to make her the harasser if you were so inclined. It does sound like Baldoni was a little smarter than Heath, when he didn't go to her dressing room when she was pumping, or in replying to one of her spiecier texts (I forgot which) he didn't respond for a long time and then mentioned he was offline because his kids were sick. It felt like something a woman would do to diffuse an uncomfortable situation, which was interesting.

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If you are implying Baldoni felt sexually harassed by Lively, this seems to be more distraction since he has not made any sort of claim for that in his bombastic $400M complaint against her though he has had plenty of opportunity to do so.

I don't think anyone is implying that. They are implying that if he wanted to, he could spin up a case for hostile work environment based on some of the things she's said and done. Would it be a great case, no, but that's how some people feel about Lively's. The question is if he wanted to claim he felt sexually harassed by her now, would that claim be in good faith, because he honestly felt harassed? It's the same question people have about Lively, and one I'm unsure of the answer and it's really the crux of the case.... did she make a good faith claim of sexual harassment and was she retaliated against for that? It can be a good faith claim even if she ultimately doesn't win in front of the jury. Or did she lie and defame him for other purposes ("stealing the movie" or whatever) and he was defending himself?