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Anonymous
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DP. I don't have any interest in defending RR for the Olivia Wilde thing (or the thing with his kid). He can figure that out for himself. Maybe someone should talk to Wilde about how she felt about it. Maybe CPS should look in on their kid.
But it's a distraction. We actually do not have to decide who's worse, RR or Baldoni. That's not even on the table. And even if RR is guilty of everything people are suggesting about him, even if it turns out BL is a jerk too and none of her former costars like her, it still doesn't mean it's okay if Baldoni did what he is alleged to have done. Accountability for all. You cannot absolve Baldoni of accountability for his actions by arguing that RR might have done something as bad or worse. Baldoni has to stand on his own two feet here. He needs to be accountable for his own behavior. When you refuse to discuss what he is alleged to have done but insist on constantly changing the subject to BL being rude to an interviewer years ago, or something RR said about a sex scene with Olivia Wilde even longer ago, I can't take you seriously. Try treating the allegations against Baldoni as seriously as you treat the allegations against RR and BL. Just try. |
Anonymous
I guess I just have to wonder how on earth this sexual assault story possibly made it in to the Jay Leno broadcast at the time, even though they vetted these stories before broadcast. I guess they must have arrested Ryan Reynolds right after the taping, since you’re really convinced he was confessing some crime here. Wait he was not arrested? And the audience laughed at this anecdote made at Reynolds’ expense (it made him look sweaty and a bit dim)? I’m sure a Wilde filed a complaint after. No? Gee I guess maybe this whole story is just a nothing burger that you have blown out of proportion to make people hate Ryan Reynolds then. (I really can’t believe you are serious about this.) |
Anonymous
That’s the problem. The allegations against Baldoni are not as serious. What Ryan did would actually qualify as assault. BL’s accusations against JB are so minor that in most cases you can find examples of similar things that BL herself did or there’s evidence she lied about them to make them seem worse. Because none of the accusations on their own rise to the level of SH, BL has to show pervasiveness, and it all seems really forced like she put together a laundry list of minor infractions to fit her narrative. |
Anonymous
Yes. I absolutely agree with this. 💯 |
Anonymous
You know what was blown out of proportion to make someone look bad? The dance scene where BL said JB said “you smell so good” when really she said “sorry if you smell my spray tan” and he said “don’t worry it smells good”. Or the porn Heath showed lively that was really a birthing video with an infant in it. Or that time Heath looked lively in the eye. If we’re talking about nothing burgers that were blown out of proportion, there’s three examples. |
Anonymous
It is not a contest. I do not find BL's allegations against Baldoni to be minor. And you misunderstand how SH works. You, like many people, are confusing SH and SA. There are two kinds of SH: 1. Quid pro quo, where an employee is propositioned in a sexual way with the threat or promise of professional punishment/reward if the proposition is not accepted. Lively doesn't allege this kind of SH. 2. Hostile work environment. In hostile work environment, you don't need the individual examples of harassment to be considered SH on their own. The point is that the examples add up to such a degree that the plaintiff feels it impedes their ability to do their job. Not all behaviors in a hostile work environment case need to be sexual in nature, and not all would be considered harassment on their own. Together they must be "severe and pervasive" enough to create a hostile work environment. You can decide what she alleges doesn't sound severe and pervasive to you. That's your prerogative. But Hostile work environment cases are ALWAYS a "laundry list" of incidences. It's literally how you are supposed to plead the elements of claim. Some of you seem to believe that if there is not sexual assault, there can't be sexual harassment. This is not the case. Sexual assault is a criminal offense. It's a totally different thing. Sexual harassment is a civil offense, and does not always even involve sexual situations. Sexual harassment can exist where an employee is harassed in a non sexual way but where they are targeted for their sex. So for instance, telling a woman what is "normal" during childbirth, or that she is "weird" for not wanting to look at your wife's birth video, could be sexual harassment even though these situations are not sexual in nature. They are harassing, and they are targeted at a woman specifically because she's a woman -- only a woman will film a scene portraying childbirth, so only a woman would be on the receiving end of these remarks. They also are more harassing towards a woman because there is a clear implication that the way she gave birth might not be "normal" or that if she wasn't "weird" she would enjoy watching another woman's birth video. This stuff is sexual harassment. Lively still has to prove it happened, but what she's alleging is SH. |
Anonymous
Yes, this. |
Anonymous
You just said the same thing I said about SA and SH but just used a lot more words. Glad we both agree what Ryan did could be considered criminal while BL needs to show pervasiveness in her case against JB. As for the birthing scene, sounds like a director telling an actor his creative vision, but if you want to make that into SH, go ahead. |
Anonymous
He didn't say "don't worry it smells good." He says either "it smells good" or "you smell good." You are editorializing because you want to minimize it. In the video, it's ambiguous to me. He is nuzzling and rubbing his face on her when he says it, and he says it in a low voice that I could see Lively feeling uncomfortable about. Also, he says it after they've been filming this scene for quite some time and Lively is *clearly* uncomfortable with the level of physical intimacy and has repeatedly made an effort to reduce it and create distance between them. I can see how Lively felt very uncomfortable and increasingly frustrated and that culminating in her feeling he crossed a line with the "it/you smell good" comment. I can also see how Baldoni clearly doesn't seem to register her discomfort as a consent problem, but just as an actor not doing what he wants (I do think this is a mistake on his part -- actors aren't robots and you need their buy in for stuff like this, both from an artistic standpoint AND from a not harassing your employees by forcing them to do intimacy they aren't comfortable with standpoint). I can see how when he said that, he thought he was just reassuring her that he was unbothered by her spray tan. I don't view either of them as clearly correct about it. It's very subjective. I think they are both telling the truth about what happened from their subjective experience. |
Anonymous
No we are not saying the same thing. BL is accusing Baldoni of SEXUAL HARASSMENT. You and others keep saying that what she's alleging can't be sexual harassment because, after all, he didn't sexually assault her. But she's not accusing him of sexual assault. You can be guilty of sexual harassment with being guilty of sexual assault. They are not even particularly similar offenses. Sexual assault is the sexual version of assault. Sexual harassment is sex-based workplace harassment (not even necessarily sexual in nature). Whether or not what RR did to Olivia Wilde is sexual assault has absolutely no bearing on whether what Baldoni did to BL was sexual harassment. They aren't even related! They are totally separate incidents and one does not really inform the other. Also, a director's "creative vision" cannot violate the consent of his actors. That's illegal. And director is not a toddler playing with dolls. Actors are people. They have rights. You can't just force them to do whatever you want regardless of how they feel about it. |
Anonymous
JB didn’t have to say a word, actually, he just released the video. There is no they both were telling the truth. She lied and he released the video impeaching her statements. |
Anonymous
What exactly was she forced to do? |
Anonymous
Thank you. I agree with all of this and also your next several posts patiently explaining SH, the video, etc. |
Anonymous
But, it’s not a distraction. People are simply pointing out the utter hypocrisy. Blake knew what she had signed up for. There was a nudity rider being prepared, she texted Justin that she wanted the body scenes to be delayed, knowing that there would be intimate scenes where she shows her body, and she was going to be self-conscious. She knew in pre production there was an intimacy coordinator he wanted her to meet, early on. It seems like Hollywood has made great strides to make women more comfortable on sets, and the introduction of intimacy coordinators is a great thing. But there has to be some kind of balance. What people who are against Blake and don’t believe her clearly think is that she took several things out of context and made them into sexual harassment to serve her own purposes. Pointing out that Ryan behaves terribly onset, makes jokes about awkward intimate scenes, clearly improvised grabbing a woman’s boobs to put back on pasties, which obviously must’ve taken her by surprise and she wasn’t expecting nor was it scripted, and that Blake herself can be quite bawdy and have sexual innuendos with Justin. And the latest rounds making the Internet is her grabbing Justin, and biting his lower lip during a kissing scene, which she had accused him of doing. It makes it look like Ryan and Blake have two sets of rules, one for people they want to destroy and steal movies from, and then for everybody else. |
Anonymous
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I understand what sexual harassment and what a hostile work environment are. What I don’t understand is why Blake expected everyone to walk on eggshells around her when she was free to harass and create an equally hostile work environment.
Blathering on about how her and Ryan fell in love when justin didn’t ask for that, and she was supposed to be quiet during the scene he was directing, then pulling that weird power move when he said you guys are cute, and she said were more than cute. It was an obvious power move, but it was also just really disturbing. What was she implying there and what did you want Justin to admit about their relationship? it was weird and very uncomfortable. All of her weird and overtly sexual texts… she also put Justin in a really uncomfortable position. He reached out to Ryan early on and shared a text that he and his wife do not have friends of the opposite gender and he just wanted to reach out to Ryan and sort of clear the air. And yet blake insisted they work on her private jet when has to fly across country so that they can get work done. Blake is constantly inviting him to her apartment. I understand Ryan was there, but if there was a hostile work environment, they need to be meeting in a neutral location. Just seems an obvious power move. She had no respect for how his wife feels sending him all those ridiculous overly sexual texts. And if threatening to leave the movie six times by having your lawyer send threatening emails is not a hostile work environment, I don’t know what is. I’m not going to be lectured on what sexual harassment and a hostile work environment is. I can see that Blake created both. |