Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:What no one has had an explanation for in hundreds and hundreds of pages of this thread is why if Blake was experiencing sexual harassment, which to be clear, probably happens on most sets so it’s not even a high bar for me to believe that sexual harassment occurred, but why if she was not one of the most powerful actresses with one of the most powerful husbands in Hollywood, report by Ari Emmanuel, the most powerful agent in Hollywood, with a team of bulldog lawyers at the ready, she could not have filed one official complaint with SAG or with Human Resources.

That’s really what I was waiting for when she put her amended complaint forward. Although I was surprised she asked for a gag order because I thought she was going to be unloading a lot more documents and clearly there are just no more documents to be unloaded from her side.

Just so strange to me that Sony told her she couldn’t file a complaint with them, and then she just, went home and cuddled her babies and cried? No one on her team in between sending constant messages that she was going to walk off the film, could’ve figured out how to file something official? If she wanted to make change in Hollywood and wanted to protect other women on set, I just fail to see why she wouldn’t have done this.

Also, don’t understand why we haven’t seen one text with evidence that she was uncomfortable on set, besides the very obvious one during the strike that was there to start setting the paper trail as our team was putting this list together.

But all during the May shoot, not one exchange with a female costar about how crazy things were, or are you OK or are you uncomfortable? Or I can’t believe I had to get through that scene? Nothing. Nada. It’s almost like it just didn’t bother her until something happened over the strike and she started putting together this list.

BL lied. RR lied. They are both liars and tried to ruin multiple lives so they could get the rights to a sequel.

There is zero evidence that BL and RR were trying to get the rights to the sequel. Zero. Everyone says Baldoni has "come with the receipts." Okay. Where are the receipts that show RR was trying to get Baldoni to sell the rights to the sequel? I searched for the word "sequel" in his timeline and it doesn't appear. It only appears in one paragraph in his complaint. Here's what it says:

"On information and belief, Lively may have been motivated by a number of factors. She may have wanted to seize control over the Film so that she could take over the production of the sequel, “It Starts With Us.” This motivation also explains why the cast, who may have hoped and/or been promised a role in subsequent productions, would choose to side with the powerful couple, who themselves may genuinely believed they could destroy Baldoni and Wayfarer and force them to cede (or even sell) the rights to the sequel."

So he's saying she "may have wanted" rights to the sequel, but apparently he has no evidence that BL ever offered to buy it or made demands that Wayfarer cede the rights to her? So he's just wildly speculating as to why Lively wanted creative control over the movie, and since "because the director was a creeper and they worried he'd make a creepy film about DV with a bunch of gratuitous sex" is obviously not a useful explanation for Baldoni, they have seized on a totally invented motivation for which they have no evidence.

Mmhmm. Okay.

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Anonymous wrote:PO obsessed atty. Going through Livelys amended complaint to look at the timeline, this Exhibit D (the 8/2/25 “scenario planning” doc that Nathan circulated to Baldoni before the premiere) is really pretty awful imho. It discusses various options for clear manipulation of people and public opinion - I mean, I guess that’s what PR reps do. They talk about dredging up old beefs Lively had with people (like is happening now ha), how problems on set were all due to Lively (again from my perspective, not true), etc.

It ends with this bullet point: “As part of this [effort to seed doubt about Lively messaging], our team can also explore planting stories about the weaponization of feminism and how people in BL’s circle like Taylor Swift, have been accused of utilizing these tactics to ‘bully’ into getting what they want.”

Wow, they were going to go after Swift full tilt if Swift poked her head out. They were going to attack Swift’s feminist credentials, in basically the same way outlets and social media that are now going after Lively. Are you weaponizing feminism, ladies? Make sure you do your little jobs and don’t make a fuss for the men in your lives, even if they’re harassing you.

I’m audio booking another book now that discusses Kate Mann’s book “Down Girl” that discusses the role of retribution in sexism and misogyny. Mann notes that misogyny had been understood as a kind of synonym for sexism, but is actually quite different.

Sexism is the hierarchical system that puts men at the top, where men (if they are white, CIS, hetero etc) are then subject to fewer societal and moral impediments to success.

Misogyny is different — it’s not some naive “hating women because they are women” feeling. It’s actually a moralistic tool of social control and punishment that reaches out to out us back in our place when we reach outside our roles in the sexist heirarchy. Misogyny is the punishment arm of sexism, and it comes into play most as retribution for perceived overreach.

I think that’s why this story is getting picked up in conservative circles, and that’s also why there were similar themes (and even PR firms lol) in the Amber Heard trial. It’s not simply hating women, it’s looking to put them back in their place when the men around them think they have overreached and want retribution. I think that’s how Steve Sarowitz saw it, anyway.

I know Baldoni supporters see this story as a real case where a woman has overreached and is trying to weapon feminism to gain power for herself. I get that, that’s fine, you’re entitled, etc. I just think it’s interesting how all my audiobooks and this story are colliding haha, and also saying I think the world we live in is already set up to take real cases where men’s hurt feelings from their dominance being challenged cause men and society to kick women back down the ladder into their perceived rightful place in the heirarchy. I think this is why this and the amber heard case get so much media traction.

I don’t doubt this happens, I just think we can’t railroad people for our own political agendas. I think there are some who don’t care if Baldoni is ruined as long as the Me Too movement remains in tact. I think these people feel like he’s a sacrifice they’re willing to make for the greater good. I just personally don’t think that’s ok.

I’m not one of those people, fwiw. I believe Baldoni harassed Lively and then approved a smear campaign. Various people like me believe Baldoni was wrong and aren’t wanting to sacrifice him for higher principles — but rather don’t think men should be allowed to smear women in the public eye through untraceable campaigns just because they can.

If that’s the case, I assume you feel even more outraged about what RR admitted to doing to Olivia Wilde, as well as what he made his daughter say in Deadpool?

PP you asked (I’m the PO atty). I have not seen the Olivia Wilde story so I just googled it — are you seriously talking about this humorous story Reynolds told on Leno about pasties that he reflexively put back on Wilde’s breasts when they came off from his nervous sweat, from at least a decade ago? https://www.instagram.com/withoutacrystalball/reel/DGnvCVsR3H_/

I have no problem with him doing that - it sounds like it was well intentioned, to cover her up, and he was making a joke about it at his own expense (basically making her sound charming and himself sound like a sweaty buffoon).

I can’t honestly imagine anyone getting upset about this unless the facts have been misdelivered, maybe via social media, somehow? Weird to me. It’s a legit funny story.

I don’t mind the Kidpool quote, either, on its face. If I heard the kid actually was upset by it I’d feel differently, but I’m not upset on kid’s behalf as a member of the public. My own daughter now (unfortunately, to me) curses like a sailor and I trace that back to us both having the Hamilton soundtrack memorized by the time she was 8. Imho it’s kind of an extremely conservatively valued thing to get mad about someone else’s kid repeatedly cursing like this — for the purposes of a job in a movie — with full approval from the parents. Jmho

All I’ll saw is wow. If you think anything JB did is worse than RR groping Olivia Wilde after the scene had wrapped and having his daughter rehearse “take wolverine’s privates out your mouth” 500 times, then you’re just trolling for BL. Absolutely no point trying to have a discussion with someone so blatantly biased.

Are you watching the story he told on Leno or is this some different story somewhere? To be clear, the story he told is that during the scene, he was supposed to feel her breasts, and Wilde had drawn little happy faces on them before the scene. During the scene when he touched her breasts, he was so nervous/sweaty that the pasties came off. After they yelled "cut" he felt they were on his hands, and automatically reached out to try to put them back on her to cover her. He then realized that that seemed bad also. He wasn't doing it maliciously. He was young and embarrassed.

I don't know when this movie happened but Reynolds looks young in the video and Leno hasn't been on the air for more than ten years. To call this "groping" is a huge overstatement. Now, if Wilde moved his hands or asked him to move them and he didn't, that would be problematic, but it doesn't sound like that happened. The only thing I can find about Wilde's comments on the scene through The Google is that she got to approve the nipples that were CGI'd in for her over the pasties.

The fact that you can take this one story from a talk show appearance more than 10 years ago that was certainly not interpreted at the time to be a "groping" story and yet portray it as one now, devoid of the context that Reynolds surrounded it with, shows that *you* are doing what you accused me of, and you are just trolling for JB. Absolutely no point trying to have a discussion with someone so blatantly biased.

Ryan is nearly 50. 10 years ago he was close to the ages BL and JB are now. Calling him young is inaccurate. He didn’t know what else to do so he put the pasties back on is just wild. He’s lucky this was all before me too and Olivia didn’t sue him. Excusing him for being young and embarassed and not knowing what else to do except grope a woman, but holding JB’s feet to the fire for gratuitous kissing simply lacks credibility.

The Google says The Change Up was released in 2011, so it was released when Reynolds was 34 (though shot before then). So Reynolds wasn't in his 20s like I thought he looked, but was certainly significantly younger than Baldoni (who is now 41 so would have been 38-39 when the IEWU events happened).

That you can listen to a story that was told on a talk show -- for comic effect, with Reynolds clearly intending himself to be the butt of the joke -- and interpret this now as "groping" is just so weird to me. I think this story was put forward on Reddit either by Baldoni's PR team or hahahaha "organically" by the same kind of "internet sleuths" that found old metadata in the NYT photos. I think they (and you) are just trying to feed into a desire to find terrible things about Lively and Reynolds, and if you can't find them, you will make not terrible things into terrible things and repeat it enough times like Donald Trump, because if you just keep saying it, people will believe it. Without more information, the David Leno story does not sound to me like a situation where Reynolds "groped" Wilde or had the intention of fondling her breasts for his own pleasure or to annoy her. It sounds like he instinctively tried to put the pasties that had come off onto his hands back on her to cover her, and then stopped when he realized that might be bad.

Meanwhile, Baldoni's harassment of Lively went far beyond some momentary unintentional act. Baldoni repeatedly kissed her in the dance scene even though there was not supposed to be kissing and she asked him not to and kept trying to pull away. He kept inserting more nudity and sex scenes that weren't in the original script. He kept asking her very personal questions that she didn't want. He kept hugging everyone even though they were trying to avoid it. When Lively would try to redirect him, and tell him she wasn't aiming for her clothes to be sexy, he would make remarks about "I guess I must have missed the HR discussion" and then would treat her (or anyone else who tried to shut down overly personal remarks) coldly and ice them out. Other women noticed the odd behavior on set. Not even going to talk about the porn or the conversation in the car about him not listening when his dates told him no and thinking he just had to try harder or him and the ghost stuff with her father, wtf.

So yeah, that's much, much, much worse than the Ryan Reynolds story from 2011 told for comic effect on Jay Leno, sorry not sorry.

I just have to say that excusing Ryan’s behavior is ridiculous. He was 33, and had been a huge star by this time. He had already done the proposal with Sandra Bullock, which was a huge hit, and he had been a marvel star with Green Lantern. Further, he was married to the biggest celebrity actress of all time, practically, Scarlett Johansson. To act like he was just nervous and didn’t know what he was doing is absolutely ridiculous.

The hypocrisy is that things happen on set that don’t happen in other workplace. Most people like Olivia are able to move on. Blake decides to pull together a list of grievances, that the producers and Justin clearly signed under duress as has been documented. They did not agree that those events had happened and her legal team said, sign it or she walks. It was halfway through filming the movie at that point. They went to Sony for help and Sony said you better play ball.

How people are OK with this is beyond me. She extorted them to get them to sign, they signed. Further no other incident happen, which is how employers and the courts want sexual harassment to be dealt with.

The situations are not equivalent. There is no allegation that Reynolds did anything wrong on that set, either in that scene or at other points. Not from Olivia and not from anyone else. The only person who has accused Reynolds of doing anything inappropriate... is Reynolds, in telling this anecdote.

Lively is alleging a bunch of problematic behaviors. Including things like pressuring her to do nudity right before filming a scene, arguing with her what is "normal" in childbirth or whether or not it is "weird" to choose not view someone's nude birth video. She is also alleging crossing boundaries during kissing and dancing scenes, repeatedly asking her personal questions or making comments about her family that she either asked him to stop asking or indicated that she would prefer not to discuss. Some other things as well, I don't have the time or energy to list them all.

If Olivia Wilde alleged the same thing about Ryan Reynolds, I would 100% listen to her and root for her to have her day in court to prove her allegations if that's what she wanted. But that's not what is happening.

What would you do or say if Wilde came out tomorrow with allegations against Reynolds? Would you support her, or would you rip her to shreds for not getting over it like she was supposed to?

I would absolutely believe Olivia. I tend to believe all women when they come forward with allegations.

But then when I find out, they had complete power on set, got a PGA credit under duress of the producers for a movie they didn’t develop or help fund, which is almost impossible to get a PGA credit for if you didn’t do those two things, and then when their accuser has receipts proving that they lied, then I start to doubt them.

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Anonymous wrote:What no one has had an explanation for in hundreds and hundreds of pages of this thread is why if Blake was experiencing sexual harassment, which to be clear, probably happens on most sets so it’s not even a high bar for me to believe that sexual harassment occurred, but why if she was not one of the most powerful actresses with one of the most powerful husbands in Hollywood, report by Ari Emmanuel, the most powerful agent in Hollywood, with a team of bulldog lawyers at the ready, she could not have filed one official complaint with SAG or with Human Resources.

That’s really what I was waiting for when she put her amended complaint forward. Although I was surprised she asked for a gag order because I thought she was going to be unloading a lot more documents and clearly there are just no more documents to be unloaded from her side.

Just so strange to me that Sony told her she couldn’t file a complaint with them, and then she just, went home and cuddled her babies and cried? No one on her team in between sending constant messages that she was going to walk off the film, could’ve figured out how to file something official? If she wanted to make change in Hollywood and wanted to protect other women on set, I just fail to see why she wouldn’t have done this.

Also, don’t understand why we haven’t seen one text with evidence that she was uncomfortable on set, besides the very obvious one during the strike that was there to start setting the paper trail as our team was putting this list together.

But all during the May shoot, not one exchange with a female costar about how crazy things were, or are you OK or are you uncomfortable? Or I can’t believe I had to get through that scene? Nothing. Nada. It’s almost like it just didn’t bother her until something happened over the strike and she started putting together this list.

I think she chose to handle it the way she did specifically because she had leverage as the star of the film with a lot of industry connects. I think she believed it would be more productive to handle it directly with Baldoni and Heath, rather than via an HR mediator, because she knew she had some pull on the movie. The 17-point list even stipulates that if they will agree to the list, she would forgo a more formal process via HR. I think she felt she was more likely to get a productive outcome if they dealt with it privately and directly, than if she filed a complaint with HR. I have no idea if she was right or wrong about that. I've had both positive and negative experiences with HR. Sometimes they are productive and other times they are a PITA. I don't know what HR at Wayfarer is like.

As a lawyer, I want to emphasize that it's actually unusual for a party to disclose all their evidence in their complaint, including texts, testimonial accounts, emails, etc. In the complaint, you only need to provide enough basis for the complaint to survive a motion to dismiss, which is a fairly low bar. They will have to disclose all evidence they intend to introduce before trial, but the trial is currently scheduled for a year from now. Why would they release it now? Bryan Freedman actually made this same point in explaining why they didn't file MTDs, saying he didn't want to lay out their whole case for the other side. Fair. But Lively has also not laid out her whole case. She's outlined it well enough to get to the next stage, which is all she needs to do. Just because you haven't seen texts, emails, documents, or heard descriptions of what witnesses will testify to, does not mean that such evidence doesn't exist. This litigation is still in very early stages.

You can’t really be this dense can you. If this were an ordinary trial, yes wait a year. Ryan and Blake are battling for the hearts and minds of America. They are losing badly. Their careers are taking a major hit. If they have evidence, they need to produce it to stop the bleeding

DP, but “dense” is falling for every little bread crumb Baldoni’s PR team puts out to make you dislike someone who has sincerely complained about sexual harassment and (almost through unbelievable good luck at this early stage in a litigation) has actually put out real text message evidence of a smear campaign to “bury” her with negative stories and yet still won’t believe her.

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Anonymous wrote:PO obsessed atty. Going through Livelys amended complaint to look at the timeline, this Exhibit D (the 8/2/25 “scenario planning” doc that Nathan circulated to Baldoni before the premiere) is really pretty awful imho. It discusses various options for clear manipulation of people and public opinion - I mean, I guess that’s what PR reps do. They talk about dredging up old beefs Lively had with people (like is happening now ha), how problems on set were all due to Lively (again from my perspective, not true), etc.

It ends with this bullet point: “As part of this [effort to seed doubt about Lively messaging], our team can also explore planting stories about the weaponization of feminism and how people in BL’s circle like Taylor Swift, have been accused of utilizing these tactics to ‘bully’ into getting what they want.”

Wow, they were going to go after Swift full tilt if Swift poked her head out. They were going to attack Swift’s feminist credentials, in basically the same way outlets and social media that are now going after Lively. Are you weaponizing feminism, ladies? Make sure you do your little jobs and don’t make a fuss for the men in your lives, even if they’re harassing you.

I’m audio booking another book now that discusses Kate Mann’s book “Down Girl” that discusses the role of retribution in sexism and misogyny. Mann notes that misogyny had been understood as a kind of synonym for sexism, but is actually quite different.

Sexism is the hierarchical system that puts men at the top, where men (if they are white, CIS, hetero etc) are then subject to fewer societal and moral impediments to success.

Misogyny is different — it’s not some naive “hating women because they are women” feeling. It’s actually a moralistic tool of social control and punishment that reaches out to out us back in our place when we reach outside our roles in the sexist heirarchy. Misogyny is the punishment arm of sexism, and it comes into play most as retribution for perceived overreach.

I think that’s why this story is getting picked up in conservative circles, and that’s also why there were similar themes (and even PR firms lol) in the Amber Heard trial. It’s not simply hating women, it’s looking to put them back in their place when the men around them think they have overreached and want retribution. I think that’s how Steve Sarowitz saw it, anyway.

I know Baldoni supporters see this story as a real case where a woman has overreached and is trying to weapon feminism to gain power for herself. I get that, that’s fine, you’re entitled, etc. I just think it’s interesting how all my audiobooks and this story are colliding haha, and also saying I think the world we live in is already set up to take real cases where men’s hurt feelings from their dominance being challenged cause men and society to kick women back down the ladder into their perceived rightful place in the heirarchy. I think this is why this and the amber heard case get so much media traction.

I don’t doubt this happens, I just think we can’t railroad people for our own political agendas. I think there are some who don’t care if Baldoni is ruined as long as the Me Too movement remains in tact. I think these people feel like he’s a sacrifice they’re willing to make for the greater good. I just personally don’t think that’s ok.

I’m not one of those people, fwiw. I believe Baldoni harassed Lively and then approved a smear campaign. Various people like me believe Baldoni was wrong and aren’t wanting to sacrifice him for higher principles — but rather don’t think men should be allowed to smear women in the public eye through untraceable campaigns just because they can.

If that’s the case, I assume you feel even more outraged about what RR admitted to doing to Olivia Wilde, as well as what he made his daughter say in Deadpool?

PP you asked (I’m the PO atty). I have not seen the Olivia Wilde story so I just googled it — are you seriously talking about this humorous story Reynolds told on Leno about pasties that he reflexively put back on Wilde’s breasts when they came off from his nervous sweat, from at least a decade ago? https://www.instagram.com/withoutacrystalball/reel/DGnvCVsR3H_/

I have no problem with him doing that - it sounds like it was well intentioned, to cover her up, and he was making a joke about it at his own expense (basically making her sound charming and himself sound like a sweaty buffoon).

I can’t honestly imagine anyone getting upset about this unless the facts have been misdelivered, maybe via social media, somehow? Weird to me. It’s a legit funny story.

I don’t mind the Kidpool quote, either, on its face. If I heard the kid actually was upset by it I’d feel differently, but I’m not upset on kid’s behalf as a member of the public. My own daughter now (unfortunately, to me) curses like a sailor and I trace that back to us both having the Hamilton soundtrack memorized by the time she was 8. Imho it’s kind of an extremely conservatively valued thing to get mad about someone else’s kid repeatedly cursing like this — for the purposes of a job in a movie — with full approval from the parents. Jmho

All I’ll saw is wow. If you think anything JB did is worse than RR groping Olivia Wilde after the scene had wrapped and having his daughter rehearse “take wolverine’s privates out your mouth” 500 times, then you’re just trolling for BL. Absolutely no point trying to have a discussion with someone so blatantly biased.

Are you watching the story he told on Leno or is this some different story somewhere? To be clear, the story he told is that during the scene, he was supposed to feel her breasts, and Wilde had drawn little happy faces on them before the scene. During the scene when he touched her breasts, he was so nervous/sweaty that the pasties came off. After they yelled "cut" he felt they were on his hands, and automatically reached out to try to put them back on her to cover her. He then realized that that seemed bad also. He wasn't doing it maliciously. He was young and embarrassed.

I don't know when this movie happened but Reynolds looks young in the video and Leno hasn't been on the air for more than ten years. To call this "groping" is a huge overstatement. Now, if Wilde moved his hands or asked him to move them and he didn't, that would be problematic, but it doesn't sound like that happened. The only thing I can find about Wilde's comments on the scene through The Google is that she got to approve the nipples that were CGI'd in for her over the pasties.

The fact that you can take this one story from a talk show appearance more than 10 years ago that was certainly not interpreted at the time to be a "groping" story and yet portray it as one now, devoid of the context that Reynolds surrounded it with, shows that *you* are doing what you accused me of, and you are just trolling for JB. Absolutely no point trying to have a discussion with someone so blatantly biased.

Ryan is nearly 50. 10 years ago he was close to the ages BL and JB are now. Calling him young is inaccurate. He didn’t know what else to do so he put the pasties back on is just wild. He’s lucky this was all before me too and Olivia didn’t sue him. Excusing him for being young and embarassed and not knowing what else to do except grope a woman, but holding JB’s feet to the fire for gratuitous kissing simply lacks credibility.

The Google says The Change Up was released in 2011, so it was released when Reynolds was 34 (though shot before then). So Reynolds wasn't in his 20s like I thought he looked, but was certainly significantly younger than Baldoni (who is now 41 so would have been 38-39 when the IEWU events happened).

That you can listen to a story that was told on a talk show -- for comic effect, with Reynolds clearly intending himself to be the butt of the joke -- and interpret this now as "groping" is just so weird to me. I think this story was put forward on Reddit either by Baldoni's PR team or hahahaha "organically" by the same kind of "internet sleuths" that found old metadata in the NYT photos. I think they (and you) are just trying to feed into a desire to find terrible things about Lively and Reynolds, and if you can't find them, you will make not terrible things into terrible things and repeat it enough times like Donald Trump, because if you just keep saying it, people will believe it. Without more information, the David Leno story does not sound to me like a situation where Reynolds "groped" Wilde or had the intention of fondling her breasts for his own pleasure or to annoy her. It sounds like he instinctively tried to put the pasties that had come off onto his hands back on her to cover her, and then stopped when he realized that might be bad.

Meanwhile, Baldoni's harassment of Lively went far beyond some momentary unintentional act. Baldoni repeatedly kissed her in the dance scene even though there was not supposed to be kissing and she asked him not to and kept trying to pull away. He kept inserting more nudity and sex scenes that weren't in the original script. He kept asking her very personal questions that she didn't want. He kept hugging everyone even though they were trying to avoid it. When Lively would try to redirect him, and tell him she wasn't aiming for her clothes to be sexy, he would make remarks about "I guess I must have missed the HR discussion" and then would treat her (or anyone else who tried to shut down overly personal remarks) coldly and ice them out. Other women noticed the odd behavior on set. Not even going to talk about the porn or the conversation in the car about him not listening when his dates told him no and thinking he just had to try harder or him and the ghost stuff with her father, wtf.

So yeah, that's much, much, much worse than the Ryan Reynolds story from 2011 told for comic effect on Jay Leno, sorry not sorry.

Would it matter if he was in his 20s, mid 30s or late 30s. What in the “boys will be boys” kind of argument are you trying to make?! Haha so funny I reached out to cop an unnecessary feel after the scene had wrapped. I was just a young kid of 34…

JB’s PR team isn’t digging this stuff up, it’s out there for everyone to see. Like most narcissists, they always tell on themselves. And I guess it’s just easier for you to pretend that Deadpool part was appropriate for a 7 year old and that their kid won’t need years of therapy from what mommy and daddy did but that they are traumatized by the fact that Mr. asked mommy’s weight. Just say you’re a Ryan and Blaie apologist.

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Anonymous wrote:PO obsessed atty. Going through Livelys amended complaint to look at the timeline, this Exhibit D (the 8/2/25 “scenario planning” doc that Nathan circulated to Baldoni before the premiere) is really pretty awful imho. It discusses various options for clear manipulation of people and public opinion - I mean, I guess that’s what PR reps do. They talk about dredging up old beefs Lively had with people (like is happening now ha), how problems on set were all due to Lively (again from my perspective, not true), etc.

It ends with this bullet point: “As part of this [effort to seed doubt about Lively messaging], our team can also explore planting stories about the weaponization of feminism and how people in BL’s circle like Taylor Swift, have been accused of utilizing these tactics to ‘bully’ into getting what they want.”

Wow, they were going to go after Swift full tilt if Swift poked her head out. They were going to attack Swift’s feminist credentials, in basically the same way outlets and social media that are now going after Lively. Are you weaponizing feminism, ladies? Make sure you do your little jobs and don’t make a fuss for the men in your lives, even if they’re harassing you.

I’m audio booking another book now that discusses Kate Mann’s book “Down Girl” that discusses the role of retribution in sexism and misogyny. Mann notes that misogyny had been understood as a kind of synonym for sexism, but is actually quite different.

Sexism is the hierarchical system that puts men at the top, where men (if they are white, CIS, hetero etc) are then subject to fewer societal and moral impediments to success.

Misogyny is different — it’s not some naive “hating women because they are women” feeling. It’s actually a moralistic tool of social control and punishment that reaches out to out us back in our place when we reach outside our roles in the sexist heirarchy. Misogyny is the punishment arm of sexism, and it comes into play most as retribution for perceived overreach.

I think that’s why this story is getting picked up in conservative circles, and that’s also why there were similar themes (and even PR firms lol) in the Amber Heard trial. It’s not simply hating women, it’s looking to put them back in their place when the men around them think they have overreached and want retribution. I think that’s how Steve Sarowitz saw it, anyway.

I know Baldoni supporters see this story as a real case where a woman has overreached and is trying to weapon feminism to gain power for herself. I get that, that’s fine, you’re entitled, etc. I just think it’s interesting how all my audiobooks and this story are colliding haha, and also saying I think the world we live in is already set up to take real cases where men’s hurt feelings from their dominance being challenged cause men and society to kick women back down the ladder into their perceived rightful place in the heirarchy. I think this is why this and the amber heard case get so much media traction.

I don’t doubt this happens, I just think we can’t railroad people for our own political agendas. I think there are some who don’t care if Baldoni is ruined as long as the Me Too movement remains in tact. I think these people feel like he’s a sacrifice they’re willing to make for the greater good. I just personally don’t think that’s ok.

I’m not one of those people, fwiw. I believe Baldoni harassed Lively and then approved a smear campaign. Various people like me believe Baldoni was wrong and aren’t wanting to sacrifice him for higher principles — but rather don’t think men should be allowed to smear women in the public eye through untraceable campaigns just because they can.

If that’s the case, I assume you feel even more outraged about what RR admitted to doing to Olivia Wilde, as well as what he made his daughter say in Deadpool?

PP you asked (I’m the PO atty). I have not seen the Olivia Wilde story so I just googled it — are you seriously talking about this humorous story Reynolds told on Leno about pasties that he reflexively put back on Wilde’s breasts when they came off from his nervous sweat, from at least a decade ago? https://www.instagram.com/withoutacrystalball/reel/DGnvCVsR3H_/

I have no problem with him doing that - it sounds like it was well intentioned, to cover her up, and he was making a joke about it at his own expense (basically making her sound charming and himself sound like a sweaty buffoon).

I can’t honestly imagine anyone getting upset about this unless the facts have been misdelivered, maybe via social media, somehow? Weird to me. It’s a legit funny story.

I don’t mind the Kidpool quote, either, on its face. If I heard the kid actually was upset by it I’d feel differently, but I’m not upset on kid’s behalf as a member of the public. My own daughter now (unfortunately, to me) curses like a sailor and I trace that back to us both having the Hamilton soundtrack memorized by the time she was 8. Imho it’s kind of an extremely conservatively valued thing to get mad about someone else’s kid repeatedly cursing like this — for the purposes of a job in a movie — with full approval from the parents. Jmho

All I’ll saw is wow. If you think anything JB did is worse than RR groping Olivia Wilde after the scene had wrapped and having his daughter rehearse “take wolverine’s privates out your mouth” 500 times, then you’re just trolling for BL. Absolutely no point trying to have a discussion with someone so blatantly biased.

Are you watching the story he told on Leno or is this some different story somewhere? To be clear, the story he told is that during the scene, he was supposed to feel her breasts, and Wilde had drawn little happy faces on them before the scene. During the scene when he touched her breasts, he was so nervous/sweaty that the pasties came off. After they yelled "cut" he felt they were on his hands, and automatically reached out to try to put them back on her to cover her. He then realized that that seemed bad also. He wasn't doing it maliciously. He was young and embarrassed.

I don't know when this movie happened but Reynolds looks young in the video and Leno hasn't been on the air for more than ten years. To call this "groping" is a huge overstatement. Now, if Wilde moved his hands or asked him to move them and he didn't, that would be problematic, but it doesn't sound like that happened. The only thing I can find about Wilde's comments on the scene through The Google is that she got to approve the nipples that were CGI'd in for her over the pasties.

The fact that you can take this one story from a talk show appearance more than 10 years ago that was certainly not interpreted at the time to be a "groping" story and yet portray it as one now, devoid of the context that Reynolds surrounded it with, shows that *you* are doing what you accused me of, and you are just trolling for JB. Absolutely no point trying to have a discussion with someone so blatantly biased.

Ryan is nearly 50. 10 years ago he was close to the ages BL and JB are now. Calling him young is inaccurate. He didn’t know what else to do so he put the pasties back on is just wild. He’s lucky this was all before me too and Olivia didn’t sue him. Excusing him for being young and embarassed and not knowing what else to do except grope a woman, but holding JB’s feet to the fire for gratuitous kissing simply lacks credibility.

The Google says The Change Up was released in 2011, so it was released when Reynolds was 34 (though shot before then). So Reynolds wasn't in his 20s like I thought he looked, but was certainly significantly younger than Baldoni (who is now 41 so would have been 38-39 when the IEWU events happened).

That you can listen to a story that was told on a talk show -- for comic effect, with Reynolds clearly intending himself to be the butt of the joke -- and interpret this now as "groping" is just so weird to me. I think this story was put forward on Reddit either by Baldoni's PR team or hahahaha "organically" by the same kind of "internet sleuths" that found old metadata in the NYT photos. I think they (and you) are just trying to feed into a desire to find terrible things about Lively and Reynolds, and if you can't find them, you will make not terrible things into terrible things and repeat it enough times like Donald Trump, because if you just keep saying it, people will believe it. Without more information, the David Leno story does not sound to me like a situation where Reynolds "groped" Wilde or had the intention of fondling her breasts for his own pleasure or to annoy her. It sounds like he instinctively tried to put the pasties that had come off onto his hands back on her to cover her, and then stopped when he realized that might be bad.

Meanwhile, Baldoni's harassment of Lively went far beyond some momentary unintentional act. Baldoni repeatedly kissed her in the dance scene even though there was not supposed to be kissing and she asked him not to and kept trying to pull away. He kept inserting more nudity and sex scenes that weren't in the original script. He kept asking her very personal questions that she didn't want. He kept hugging everyone even though they were trying to avoid it. When Lively would try to redirect him, and tell him she wasn't aiming for her clothes to be sexy, he would make remarks about "I guess I must have missed the HR discussion" and then would treat her (or anyone else who tried to shut down overly personal remarks) coldly and ice them out. Other women noticed the odd behavior on set. Not even going to talk about the porn or the conversation in the car about him not listening when his dates told him no and thinking he just had to try harder or him and the ghost stuff with her father, wtf.

So yeah, that's much, much, much worse than the Ryan Reynolds story from 2011 told for comic effect on Jay Leno, sorry not sorry.

Would it matter if he was in his 20s, mid 30s or late 30s. What in the “boys will be boys” kind of argument are you trying to make?! Haha so funny I reached out to cop an unnecessary feel after the scene had wrapped. I was just a young kid of 34…

JB’s PR team isn’t digging this stuff up, it’s out there for everyone to see. Like most narcissists, they always tell on themselves. And I guess it’s just easier for you to pretend that Deadpool part was appropriate for a 7 year old and that their kid won’t need years of therapy from what mommy and daddy did but that they are traumatized by the fact that Mr. asked mommy’s weight. Just say you’re a Ryan and Blaie apologist.

Good lord! It was a protective, spontaneous reaction to cover her back up and put back the pasties that he had unwittingly removed! The fact that you keep arguing this was some transgressive act when Wilde herself has not complained about it just shows how you can’t see reality here.

I don’t know about the child thing. If the kid was upset about it I’d be worried. I do think it’s gross you guys are combing the internet for deets on his kids now and putting them in the spotlight. At least Lively hasn’t done that with Baldoni’s kids. Very classy.

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To be fair Baldoni AFAIK hasn't put his kids in a movie and certainly not with vulgarity. If Reynolds finds it appropriate to do and joke about then others can talk about it too.

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The fact that you are making this case about all of this extra ridiculous stuff including a 14 year old Jay Leno clip (wtf lol) and the plaintiff’s cursing child is just a distraction from what the case is really about: Baldoni’s weird, harassing behavior on set and the follow up smear campaign, which Baldoni specifically approved and was just worried would not go far enough.

Btw I’m pretty sure I’ve seen Baldoni’s kids in some of his blogs selling his lifestyle stuff so who knows what’s out there. I’m not going out there to look, though. I’ll leave the internet sleuthing on the children to you guys.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that you are making this case about all of this extra ridiculous stuff including a 14 year old Jay Leno clip (wtf lol) and the plaintiff’s cursing child is just a distraction from what the case is really about: Baldoni’s weird, harassing behavior on set and the follow up smear campaign, which Baldoni specifically approved and was just worried would not go far enough.

Btw I’m pretty sure I’ve seen Baldoni’s kids in some of his blogs selling his lifestyle stuff so who knows what’s out there. I’m not going out there to look, though. I’ll leave the internet sleuthing on the children to you guys.

Not a distraction at all. Shows the clear hypocrisy of RR and BL and apparently of some of you. If you can’t see what’s wrong with what he made his daughter say in Deadpool, and would rather downplay it as “cursing” I can’t make you see it. And if you can’t see that what RR did to Olivia would be the worst thing on BL’s 17th pt complaint list if Baldoni had done it, I can’t make you see that either. But let’s continue to call a man a predator for asking someone’s weight and showing them a birthing video.

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Nah hypocrisy is saying you’re a male feminist but telling your costar that a “normal woman” doesn’t give birth the way you did four times. 👍

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Anonymous wrote:Nah hypocrisy is saying you’re a male feminist but telling your costar that a “normal woman” doesn’t give birth the way you did four times. 👍

Blake is such a liar this could be a lie too. She also said Steve Sorowitz was there when he wasn’t b/c apparently in her mind every man on set was trying to cop a look at her.

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The fact that you are making this case about all of this extra ridiculous stuff including a 14 year old Jay Leno clip (wtf lol) and the plaintiff’s cursing child is just a distraction from what the case is really about: Baldoni’s weird, harassing behavior on set and the follow up smear campaign, which Baldoni specifically approved and was just worried would not go far enough.

I'm the neutral poster who posted the breakdown of how Lively won the PO. For the most part I agree this has nothing to do with the case and feels like distraction. And I'm sure both Baldoni and Reynolds are douches. I do think one pro-Baldoni made a good point that they they make their child perform in that scene and then for Blake to act traumatized that Baldoni asked about her weight is a bit much (and I think Baldoni was wrong to do that, and should have worked with the stunt coordinator regarding any concerns about his back). TBH there are plenty of incidents of Blake doing and saying things that I'm pretty sure if Baldoni did them, she would have put them in her complaint (calling him psycho, wanting him to say her and Ryan were more than cute, the text about never with teeth). I don't think this stuff about Reynolds is going to be relevant enough to come into the legal case, but I can understand it coming into the social case. I think Blake's case for SH is borderline; she's basically calling for very high standards on a set where you have to be careful even about calling someone/their outfit "sexy" because it might be "out of character" or where you can't improvise some romantic stuff in a scene where two characters fall in love. Which, fine, I think women have been abused on Hollywood sets for decades, so I love the idea of more intimacy coordinators and strict standards, but then it is disingenuous allowing her child to participate in that scene, or to say some of the things she's said to Baldoni (he alleges she also personalized one of the orgasm scenes to her and her husband). I still think he might have harassed her and I want to know what comes out of the depos with the cast and crew, but she's looking like a hypocrite here.

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14 year old Jay Leno clip turns into your evidence of sexual assault when he was reflexively trying to put her pasties back on! You are serious! No complaint from Wilde, just Baldoni fan club anger over 14 year old Jay Leno clip! I do not understand you.

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Anonymous wrote:14 year old Jay Leno clip turns into your evidence of sexual assault when he was reflexively trying to put her pasties back on! You are serious! No complaint from Wilde, just Baldoni fan club anger over 14 year old Jay Leno clip! I do not understand you.

Just listen to yourself saying “he was reflexively trying to put her pasties on” and that’s your defense. I find it hard to believe you’d have the same empathy for Baldoni if he had done that on the set of it ends with us. Time to go to bed PP. You’re losing it.

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Anonymous wrote:

The fact that you are making this case about all of this extra ridiculous stuff including a 14 year old Jay Leno clip (wtf lol) and the plaintiff’s cursing child is just a distraction from what the case is really about: Baldoni’s weird, harassing behavior on set and the follow up smear campaign, which Baldoni specifically approved and was just worried would not go far enough.

I'm the neutral poster who posted the breakdown of how Lively won the PO. For the most part I agree this has nothing to do with the case and feels like distraction. And I'm sure both Baldoni and Reynolds are douches. I do think one pro-Baldoni made a good point that they they make their child perform in that scene and then for Blake to act traumatized that Baldoni asked about her weight is a bit much (and I think Baldoni was wrong to do that, and should have worked with the stunt coordinator regarding any concerns about his back). TBH there are plenty of incidents of Blake doing and saying things that I'm pretty sure if Baldoni did them, she would have put them in her complaint (calling him psycho, wanting him to say her and Ryan were more than cute, the text about never with teeth). I don't think this stuff about Reynolds is going to be relevant enough to come into the legal case, but I can understand it coming into the social case. I think Blake's case for SH is borderline; she's basically calling for very high standards on a set where you have to be careful even about calling someone/their outfit "sexy" because it might be "out of character" or where you can't improvise some romantic stuff in a scene where two characters fall in love. Which, fine, I think women have been abused on Hollywood sets for decades, so I love the idea of more intimacy coordinators and strict standards, but then it is disingenuous allowing her child to participate in that scene, or to say some of the things she's said to Baldoni (he alleges she also personalized one of the orgasm scenes to her and her husband). I still think he might have harassed her and I want to know what comes out of the depos with the cast and crew, but she's looking like a hypocrite here.

You always claims to be neutral but are clearly a Lively supporter. Just go with it.

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Anonymous wrote:

The fact that you are making this case about all of this extra ridiculous stuff including a 14 year old Jay Leno clip (wtf lol) and the plaintiff’s cursing child is just a distraction from what the case is really about: Baldoni’s weird, harassing behavior on set and the follow up smear campaign, which Baldoni specifically approved and was just worried would not go far enough.

I'm the neutral poster who posted the breakdown of how Lively won the PO. For the most part I agree this has nothing to do with the case and feels like distraction. And I'm sure both Baldoni and Reynolds are douches. I do think one pro-Baldoni made a good point that they they make their child perform in that scene and then for Blake to act traumatized that Baldoni asked about her weight is a bit much (and I think Baldoni was wrong to do that, and should have worked with the stunt coordinator regarding any concerns about his back). TBH there are plenty of incidents of Blake doing and saying things that I'm pretty sure if Baldoni did them, she would have put them in her complaint (calling him psycho, wanting him to say her and Ryan were more than cute, the text about never with teeth). I don't think this stuff about Reynolds is going to be relevant enough to come into the legal case, but I can understand it coming into the social case. I think Blake's case for SH is borderline; she's basically calling for very high standards on a set where you have to be careful even about calling someone/their outfit "sexy" because it might be "out of character" or where you can't improvise some romantic stuff in a scene where two characters fall in love. Which, fine, I think women have been abused on Hollywood sets for decades, so I love the idea of more intimacy coordinators and strict standards, but then it is disingenuous allowing her child to participate in that scene, or to say some of the things she's said to Baldoni (he alleges she also personalized one of the orgasm scenes to her and her husband). I still think he might have harassed her and I want to know what comes out of the depos with the cast and crew, but she's looking like a hypocrite here.

You always claims to be neutral but are clearly a Lively supporter. Just go with it.

Most of that post is explaining how Lively is a hypocrite.