"Opening up" means risking your life

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Dr. Scott Gottlieb—who has kind of been American’s Doctor Who Is Sort of Trusted By Both Political Sides—throughout the pandemic, indicates that corona virus cases are likely 10 to 20 times higher in the US than has been reported. Obviously, more testing is needed to confirm this. Can’t get a straight answer out of Trump about whether such tests will ever be available. But if true, it would be an important piece of information for policy makers to consider, and for teleworkers who may or may not be ordered to plan their end-of-pandemic-comebacks (assuming they even have jobs where they ever need to go to an office at all).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dr. Scott Gottlieb—who has kind of been American’s Doctor Who Is Sort of Trusted By Both Political Sides—throughout the pandemic, indicates that corona virus cases are likely 10 to 20 times higher in the US than has been reported. Obviously, more testing is needed to confirm this. Can’t get a straight answer out of Trump about whether such tests will ever be available. But if true, it would be an important piece of information for policy makers to consider, and for teleworkers who may or may not be ordered to plan their end-of-pandemic-comebacks (assuming they even have jobs where they ever need to go to an office at all).

Link? His report on how to reopen seemed good.

Has anyone run models with the 10-20x higher #s?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dr. Scott Gottlieb—who has kind of been American’s Doctor Who Is Sort of Trusted By Both Political Sides—throughout the pandemic, indicates that corona virus cases are likely 10 to 20 times higher in the US than has been reported. Obviously, more testing is needed to confirm this. Can’t get a straight answer out of Trump about whether such tests will ever be available. But if true, it would be an important piece of information for policy makers to consider, and for teleworkers who may or may not be ordered to plan their end-of-pandemic-comebacks (assuming they even have jobs where they ever need to go to an office at all).

Link? His report on how to reopen seemed good.

Has anyone run models with the 10-20x higher #s?

Can’t link. It was a CNBC article, April 21, 11:23 a.m.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dr. Scott Gottlieb—who has kind of been American’s Doctor Who Is Sort of Trusted By Both Political Sides—throughout the pandemic, indicates that corona virus cases are likely 10 to 20 times higher in the US than has been reported. Obviously, more testing is needed to confirm this. Can’t get a straight answer out of Trump about whether such tests will ever be available. But if true, it would be an important piece of information for policy makers to consider, and for teleworkers who may or may not be ordered to plan their end-of-pandemic-comebacks (assuming they even have jobs where they ever need to go to an office at all).

Link? His report on how to reopen seemed good.

Has anyone run models with the 10-20x higher #s?

Can’t link. It was a CNBC article, April 21, 11:23 a.m.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/21/coronavirus-cases-are-likely-10-to-20-times-higher-in-us-than-reported-former-fda-chief-gottlieb-says.html

Yes, he is still pushing for more testing.
“ testing for coronavirus cases needs to be significantly increased to better monitor the spread of the virus as states seek to reopen businesses and social settings.”

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
When asked if she would put herself on the casino floor with the workers she’d be endangering, the mayor dodges before saying, “first of all, I have a family.”

She basically demonstrates what I said in the first post of this thread. The loudest voices calling for opening have no intention of putting themselves at risk. They are interested in their stock portfolios and political fortunes, but the health risks are for others.

With a Mayor like that who needs Lucifer?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
When asked if she would put herself on the casino floor with the workers she’d be endangering, the mayor dodges before saying, “first of all, I have a family.”

She basically demonstrates what I said in the first post of this thread. The loudest voices calling for opening have no intention of putting themselves at risk. They are interested in their stock portfolios and political fortunes, but the health risks are for others.

With a Mayor like that who needs Lucifer?

Sin City?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dr. Scott Gottlieb—who has kind of been American’s Doctor Who Is Sort of Trusted By Both Political Sides—throughout the pandemic, indicates that corona virus cases are likely 10 to 20 times higher in the US than has been reported. Obviously, more testing is needed to confirm this. Can’t get a straight answer out of Trump about whether such tests will ever be available. But if true, it would be an important piece of information for policy makers to consider, and for teleworkers who may or may not be ordered to plan their end-of-pandemic-comebacks (assuming they even have jobs where they ever need to go to an office at all).

Link? His report on how to reopen seemed good.

Has anyone run models with the 10-20x higher #s?

Can’t link. It was a CNBC article, April 21, 11:23 a.m.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/21/coronavirus-cases-are-likely-10-to-20-times-higher-in-us-than-reported-former-fda-chief-gottlieb-says.html

Yes, he is still pushing for more testing.
“ testing for coronavirus cases needs to be significantly increased to better monitor the spread of the virus as states seek to reopen businesses and social settings.”

I hope his hunch is confirmed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
When asked if she would put herself on the casino floor with the workers she’d be endangering, the mayor dodges before saying, “first of all, I have a family.”

She basically demonstrates what I said in the first post of this thread. The loudest voices calling for opening have no intention of putting themselves at risk. They are interested in their stock portfolios and political fortunes, but the health risks are for others.

With a Mayor like that who needs Lucifer?

Sin City?

So Vegas reopens people visit from all over the country and then return to where they live? What could possibly go wrong?!

[Anonymous]

In thinking about this some more, I wouldn’t even expect to see many businesses “flip the switch” until they convince the GOP to try to enact broad, federal pandemic lawsuit protection. That would rightly have zero chance of making it through the House and would do nothing about state laws/workers’ comp.

[Anonymous]

GA reopening may hit smaller towns harder since their business base is more dominated by non-chains and tiny chains that can't handle another month of door shuttering.

Regal, AMC, Cinemark are all noping out of re-opening but Tiny One-Plex in a town of 1,500 may not be able to nope out of it. I suspect the gym chains are the same way, and no one, not even Kemp, is suggesting the concert halls and stadiums re-open.

TX and GA have had rural popup clusters hit but their large cities and suburbs have been spared so far.

[Anonymous]

The goal is to

1) disproportionally his minorities
2) force people into work (and get sick) or be fired/ineligible for unemployment
3) Landlords force undesireable businesses out of their properties

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
When asked if she would put herself on the casino floor with the workers she’d be endangering, the mayor dodges before saying, “first of all, I have a family.”

She basically demonstrates what I said in the first post of this thread. The loudest voices calling for opening have no intention of putting themselves at risk. They are interested in their stock portfolios and political fortunes, but the health risks are for others.

With a Mayor like that who needs Lucifer?

I am seriously not trying to be a b*tch, but people who are overly made-up during a pandemic turn me off immensely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The goal is to

1) disproportionally his minorities
2) force people into work (and get sick) or be fired/ineligible for unemployment
3) Landlords force undesireable businesses out of their properties

(1) It's a sacrifice Kemp's willing to make. Of course if some Wypipo get hit, that might boomerang toomerang zoomerang on him.

(2) We might be onto something. Depends on how willing independent business owners are to reopen. The chains ain't coming back except the ones teetering on the edge anyway. EG Regal won't come back until Memorial Day in all likelihood.

(3) I dunno, it's not like there's an assortment of tenants just begging to sign up.

If I own a Class C mall or a strip mall in a Southern town of 40-50k people and I kick out Sally's Salon for unwillingness to open up, is anyone really going to be beating down the door hoping to get in? I probably already had one of Sears/JCPenney/Macy's close on me and I'm hoping like hell my other anchor doesn't close up, cause that probably means my rental income is going down (most mall stores have clauses that boil down to "if an anchor leaves, my rent goes down" - I don't know if shopping centers are the same way or not.)

[Anonymous]

this sums it up