Pray for Charlotte, NC

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Anonymous wrote:Right because all my years working for nonprofits in areas with high poverty and crime mean nothing.

Don't mean shit to me so yeah - you right on the money there!

So you don't care that people work towards actual solutions to inner city problems?

No I don't care about your self-aggrandizement. You can boast about being the Last Grand Master of the Knights Templar - I don't care.

I feel bad for you. You are so angry you cannot look passed your need to personally attack someone.

Dude I'm over here cracking up with co-workers about how you think somebody is supposed to do cartwheels cause you said you worked for nonprofits in high poverty/crime areas...
Who is angry - we over here having a ball; keep it up!!!

I didn't ask for cartwheels. I simply corrected you.

Still find it sad that you ridicule any attempt at a solution.

[Anonymous]

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jsteele wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:So there's a guy with a gun in the car and you want the cops to turn their backs on him to talk to the wife? Bullets travel. From a distance means nothing. They didn't know if this guy was on something, if he was a wildcard who would just start shooting around him.

Where did I say they should turn their backs to him? I said they should have stopped yelling, They should have stayed behind protective cover and they should have been ready to respond to a clear and present danger (such as his pointing the gun). But, they should have attempted to deescalate.

I don't disagree that all police could benefit from deescalation training, but it takes milliseconds to raise and fire a gun. If someone has a gun in their hand, they are milliseconds away from shooting and killing someone. That is an immediate threat. Police, for the safety of themselves and the public, need to address that threat. He was given a simple instruction (drop the gun) and he did not comply.

I believe I have told this story before, but I'll tell it again. One day my wife and I were confronted by a guy who just said he had been robbed at gun point. I called 911 on my cell phone and then gave him the phone to tell what happened. While he was on the phone, he say the guy walking up the street. At the same time, a police cruiser drove by and he stopped it and pointed out the guy. One officer (for the record, officer was white, suspect was black) jumped out of the car and pursued the guy on foot. The suspect had a "puffy" coat jack like a down jacket but probably not down. He ran up the front steps of a building but then turned around and faced the police officer with his hands in his pockets. All of us thought he probably had his hand on his gun in his coat pocket and could start shooting (by all of us, I mean me, my wife, and the victim). The police officer pulled his weapon and started yelling for the guy to put his hands up. I was certain that the officer would eventually fire. But, he kept calm. This went on for a little while and then the suspect took off running. Suddenly the entire area was wall-to-wall police and they caught the guy after a foot chase. It turned out the gun was non-functional. That was a perfect demonstration of how to not unnecessary escalate a situation and I have nothing but praise for that officer.

Edit: Just for the benefit of the poster above saying that things are different when your or your wife's lives are on the line. When this happened, both me and my wife were pretty close to where any shooting would have taken place and well within range of the suspect had his weapon been functional (it's lack of functionality, of course, was not something we knew).

NP. The officer was lucky the gun was not functional. Otherwise, he'd probably be dead. You can praise dumb heroism all you want, but you have absolutely no moral right to expect it from others. Zero right.

I am glad that it worked for the officer above but for officers like Kyle Dinkheller its a very different story.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:NP. The officer was lucky the gun was not functional. Otherwise, he'd probably be dead. You can praise dumb heroism all you want, but you have absolutely no moral right to expect it from others. Zero right.

What makes you think that the officer was lucky? Why wouldn't you think that he had correctly assessed risk -- something he was better able to do than me given that I expected him to shoot the suspect?

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Anonymous wrote:Right because all my years working for nonprofits in areas with high poverty and crime mean nothing.

Don't mean shit to me so yeah - you right on the money there!

So you don't care that people work towards actual solutions to inner city problems?

No I don't care about your self-aggrandizement. You can boast about being the Last Grand Master of the Knights Templar - I don't care.

I feel bad for you. You are so angry you cannot look passed your need to personally attack someone.

Dude I'm over here cracking up with co-workers about how you think somebody is supposed to do cartwheels cause you said you worked for nonprofits in high poverty/crime areas...
Who is angry - we over here having a ball; keep it up!!!

I didn't ask for cartwheels. I simply corrected you.

Still find it sad that you ridicule any attempt at a solution.

A solution to what?
Oh you got a a solution to the disparity with which some citizens find themselves on the wrong end of an officer's nightstick than others?
You got a solution to the propensity for some citizens to end up getting shot dead by the police instead of apprehended and arrested?
Let's hear.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. The officer was lucky the gun was not functional. Otherwise, he'd probably be dead. You can praise dumb heroism all you want, but you have absolutely no moral right to expect it from others. Zero right.

What makes you think that the officer was lucky? Why wouldn't you think that he had correctly assessed risk -- something he was better able to do than me given that I expected him to shoot the suspect?

So why are you questioning whether this officer "correctly assessed risk?" Who's to say what would've happened if he had not shot?

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Anonymous wrote:Despite the wife's claim that her husband was holding a book, multiple media sources report no book was found at all at the scene. Only marihuana, an ankle holster, and a loaded gun with his prints all over it were found.

And the wife also claims she wasn't aware he even owned a gun at all - even though he had it strapped right to his ankle that day.

It's almost like she's completely lying about the whole thing.

+1.

It's pretty obvious, when you watch the video. She shows little interest in approaching and helping her husband, just in taping and cursing the police.

And what about her repeated demands "don't do it Keith!"

Don't do what?

What didn't she want him to do?

What did he tell her he might do?

We obviously can't trust her after all her lies which have come to light. And Keith is dead - at the hands of another AA male. So we are left to speculate.

I wonder if he was planning "suicide by cop" all along? It seems like the most likely scenario to explain this strange set of facts.

If he had a TBI it wouldn't be surprising. Traumatic brain injury, ptsd and suicide go hand in hand. Its a big if though because there has been no medical proof given.

I agree TBI could be a consistent factor here; I'm trying to understand this shooting and the suspects bizarre behavior which led up to it.

So far, the suicide by cop theory seems the most plausible given the facts.

Meant to add: I see no evidence that the black police officer shot Keith just because Keith was black - as many of the protesters seem to believe.

I don't see any evidence to support the allegations of racial profiling either. First off, the officer was black. Second, the police were not even in the area for Keith; they came to complex to serve a warrant on a DIFFERENT INDIVIDUAL. They even noticed Keith rolling an illegal marijuana "blunt" and chose to ignore that illegal activity (talk about de-escalating!).

Furthermore, it wasn't until they same the illegal gun that they were compelled to at least investigate.

On top of all that, they were threatened with a gun wielded by an apparent drug suspect and yet they still politely requested he drop the weapon at least 12 times while they themselves were under imminent threat.

I'm not seeing what else everyone expected from the police by this point. And again - the officer was black.

[jsteele]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. The officer was lucky the gun was not functional. Otherwise, he'd probably be dead. You can praise dumb heroism all you want, but you have absolutely no moral right to expect it from others. Zero right.

What makes you think that the officer was lucky? Why wouldn't you think that he had correctly assessed risk -- something he was better able to do than me given that I expected him to shoot the suspect?

So why are you questioning whether this officer "correctly assessed risk?" Who's to say what would've happened if he had not shot?

Obviously nobody can say. But, comparing this to the situation I witnessed, this one was a lot more aggressive and escalated much more quickly. It is my opinion that was not necessary.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. The officer was lucky the gun was not functional. Otherwise, he'd probably be dead. You can praise dumb heroism all you want, but you have absolutely no moral right to expect it from others. Zero right.

What makes you think that the officer was lucky? Why wouldn't you think that he had correctly assessed risk -- something he was better able to do than me given that I expected him to shoot the suspect?

So why are you questioning whether this officer "correctly assessed risk?" Who's to say what would've happened if he had not shot?

Obviously nobody can say. But, comparing this to the situation I witnessed, this one was a lot more aggressive and escalated much more quickly. It is my opinion that was not necessary.

And you called other people Monday morning quarterbacks? Lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh you got a a solution to the disparity with which some citizens find themselves on the wrong end of an officer's nightstick than others?
You got a solution to the propensity for some citizens to end up getting shot dead by the police instead of apprehended and arrested?
Let's hear.

Step 1. Obey all commands given by the officer.

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Anonymous wrote:Right because all my years working for nonprofits in areas with high poverty and crime mean nothing.

Don't mean shit to me so yeah - you right on the money there!

So you don't care that people work towards actual solutions to inner city problems?

No I don't care about your self-aggrandizement. You can boast about being the Last Grand Master of the Knights Templar - I don't care.

I feel bad for you. You are so angry you cannot look passed your need to personally attack someone.

Dude I'm over here cracking up with co-workers about how you think somebody is supposed to do cartwheels cause you said you worked for nonprofits in high poverty/crime areas...
Who is angry - we over here having a ball; keep it up!!!

I didn't ask for cartwheels. I simply corrected you.

Still find it sad that you ridicule any attempt at a solution.

A solution to what?
Oh you got a a solution to the disparity with which some citizens find themselves on the wrong end of an officer's nightstick than others?
You got a solution to the propensity for some citizens to end up getting shot dead by the police instead of apprehended and arrested?
Let's hear.

I gave examples of how community outreach programs with the police department coupled with community building can turn a neighborhood around. I worked for organizations that did the latter and saw real results. A reduction in crime, a boost in education, a better relationship between police and community. Better training for officers. Less arrests and more programs to help the every day citizen.

One of the biggest projects I worked with focused on several impoverished crime ridden neighborhoods in Los Angeles in the mid 1990s. Where if you were a latino (like I myself am) you often found yourself on the "wrong end of an officer's nightstick" and had a propensity for "getting shot dead by the police instead of apprehended and arrested". The result? A better educated and trained police force. A higher standard of education. A renewed commercial district and better local jobs. A reduction in gang activity. Less officer deaths/injuries and less officer involved shootings.

It will take effort on both the police department and the community to solve the problems we are seeing now.

Now go ahead and ridicule me and tell me how I don't know anything or don't try to work towards a better standard of living for impoverished communities.

You have the last word.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lol - y'all just love locking up black folks don't you?
Say, I heard their great aunt is 92 years old and there's an audio recording going around of her saying it Walter Scott would be alive today if he was white - y'all wanna lock her up too?

go away, RACIST

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh you got a a solution to the disparity with which some citizens find themselves on the wrong end of an officer's nightstick than others?
You got a solution to the propensity for some citizens to end up getting shot dead by the police instead of apprehended and arrested?
Let's hear.

Step 1. Obey all commands given by the officer.

That Step 1 displays Systematic Racism, because apparently black Americans are genetically incapable of doing so.

For them, it's like saying Step 1. Jump to the moon.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh you got a a solution to the disparity with which some citizens find themselves on the wrong end of an officer's nightstick than others?
You got a solution to the propensity for some citizens to end up getting shot dead by the police instead of apprehended and arrested?
Let's hear.

Step 1. Obey all commands given by the officer.

That Step 1 displays Systematic Racism, because apparently black Americans are genetically incapable of doing so.

For them, it's like saying Step 1. Jump to the moon.

It is actually called systemic racism. It can also be called institutional racism.

But your post?

Just plain ole racism.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. The officer was lucky the gun was not functional. Otherwise, he'd probably be dead. You can praise dumb heroism all you want, but you have absolutely no moral right to expect it from others. Zero right.

What makes you think that the officer was lucky? Why wouldn't you think that he had correctly assessed risk -- something he was better able to do than me given that I expected him to shoot the suspect?

What makes you so sure the officers in Charlotte didn't correctly assess the risk? Given what we now know about the victim, there's a high probability that they did.

We won't even know because we can't go back and time and see if a cop gets killed, either the wife or cops are able to talk him down, or he runs off and kills someone else. Unfortunately, life isn't a Choose Your Own Adventure book.

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Anonymous wrote:Right because all my years working for nonprofits in areas with high poverty and crime mean nothing.

Don't mean shit to me so yeah - you right on the money there!

So you don't care that people work towards actual solutions to inner city problems?

No I don't care about your self-aggrandizement. You can boast about being the Last Grand Master of the Knights Templar - I don't care.

I feel bad for you. You are so angry you cannot look passed your need to personally attack someone.

Dude I'm over here cracking up with co-workers about how you think somebody is supposed to do cartwheels cause you said you worked for nonprofits in high poverty/crime areas...
Who is angry - we over here having a ball; keep it up!!!

I didn't ask for cartwheels. I simply corrected you.

Still find it sad that you ridicule any attempt at a solution.

A solution to what?
Oh you got a a solution to the disparity with which some citizens find themselves on the wrong end of an officer's nightstick than others?
You got a solution to the propensity for some citizens to end up getting shot dead by the police instead of apprehended and arrested?
Let's hear.

I gave examples of how community outreach programs with the police department coupled with community building can turn a neighborhood around. I worked for organizations that did the latter and saw real results. A reduction in crime, a boost in education, a better relationship between police and community. Better training for officers. Less arrests and more programs to help the every day citizen.

One of the biggest projects I worked with focused on several impoverished crime ridden neighborhoods in Los Angeles in the mid 1990s. Where if you were a latino (like I myself am) you often found yourself on the "wrong end of an officer's nightstick" and had a propensity for "getting shot dead by the police instead of apprehended and arrested". The result? A better educated and trained police force. A higher standard of education. A renewed commercial district and better local jobs. A reduction in gang activity. Less officer deaths/injuries and less officer involved shootings.

It will take effort on both the police department and the community to solve the problems we are seeing now.

Now go ahead and ridicule me and tell me how I don't know anything or don't try to work towards a better standard of living for impoverished communities.

You have the last word.

I'm sorry I wasn't paying attention - sounded like the same lip service every other self-aggrandizing egoist spouts when they claim to have all the answers so I just tuned out after the first sentence.
But yeah, yeah...kudos, whatever.