Wootton Announces They Have Formally Retained Silverman & Thompson

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Anonymous wrote:It's still crazy to close one of the top public high schools in the state unless you value equity over excellence in which case it makes perfect sense.

Why do you think excellence will decrease in the new building?

Black kids and a lesser town’s name in the address. Half of the IB parents think it was in Potomac to begin with. That sort of delusion was never going be able to absorb the slight of rubbing their faces the county’s indifference. Half of them think this is about Whitman levels of resentment but nobody cares about a Rockville school. It’s not rich enough to be important or poor enough to be cool and school status or envy is really neighborhood status/envy. They spent a generation thinking “at least we are not gaithersburg” and presto change-o now they are. When they talk about losing their identity, thats the identity they are talking about. With some more poor kids thrown into the mix they will slide down academic rankings a tad too and then just be another middle tier not W school regardless of their motivated Asian population. They were comfortable as a faux W “North” Potomac school with good test scores.

Lol OMG this is it! Well said

+1 PP wins this thread

For stupid, yes.

Man Crown parents are sensitive

Crown parents probably have more money than Wootton given housing prices.

Actually not. Yes, the SFHs are absurdly expensive, but that's a very small percentage of the housing there.

The townhomes are a million or more too.

I don't get the concern for other kids' test scores. It helps your kids with college admissions not to be in such a competitive environment. Then, these same parents complain about their kids college acceptances.

Townhouse kids don’t belong at Wootton.

There are townhouse kids there now. So, should they all be transfered asap as well as any student without a 3.5 GPA and 1400 SAT?

Exactly. Stonebridge, Washingtonian and the Willows of Rockville Townhome students should be transferred to Crown as an indefinite holding school for Magruder until there are funds to rebuild both it and Wootton. Then when Wootton reopens they should not be sent back to Wootton on the parkway.

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Anonymous wrote:It's still crazy to close one of the top public high schools in the state unless you value equity over excellence in which case it makes perfect sense.

Why do you think excellence will decrease in the new building?

Black kids and a lesser town’s name in the address. Half of the IB parents think it was in Potomac to begin with. That sort of delusion was never going be able to absorb the slight of rubbing their faces the county’s indifference. Half of them think this is about Whitman levels of resentment but nobody cares about a Rockville school. It’s not rich enough to be important or poor enough to be cool and school status or envy is really neighborhood status/envy. They spent a generation thinking “at least we are not gaithersburg” and presto change-o now they are. When they talk about losing their identity, thats the identity they are talking about. With some more poor kids thrown into the mix they will slide down academic rankings a tad too and then just be another middle tier not W school regardless of their motivated Asian population. They were comfortable as a faux W “North” Potomac school with good test scores.

Lol OMG this is it! Well said

+1 PP wins this thread

For stupid, yes.

Man Crown parents are sensitive

Crown parents probably have more money than Wootton given housing prices.

Actually not. Yes, the SFHs are absurdly expensive, but that's a very small percentage of the housing there.

The townhomes are a million or more too.

I don't get the concern for other kids' test scores. It helps your kids with college admissions not to be in such a competitive environment. Then, these same parents complain about their kids college acceptances.

Townhouse kids don’t belong at Wootton.

There are townhouse kids there now. So, should they all be transfered asap as well as any student without a 3.5 GPA and 1400 SAT?

i’m trying to figure out how many times you have made this same comment about gpa and sat score. It’s been multiple times on multiple threads. I would guess maybe we are up to at least a dozen but probably more. Are you really this stupid that you just keep making the same comment over and over thinking it’s just so clever?

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Anonymous wrote:It's still crazy to close one of the top public high schools in the state unless you value equity over excellence in which case it makes perfect sense.

Why do you think excellence will decrease in the new building?

Black kids and a lesser town’s name in the address. Half of the IB parents think it was in Potomac to begin with. That sort of delusion was never going be able to absorb the slight of rubbing their faces the county’s indifference. Half of them think this is about Whitman levels of resentment but nobody cares about a Rockville school. It’s not rich enough to be important or poor enough to be cool and school status or envy is really neighborhood status/envy. They spent a generation thinking “at least we are not gaithersburg” and presto change-o now they are. When they talk about losing their identity, thats the identity they are talking about. With some more poor kids thrown into the mix they will slide down academic rankings a tad too and then just be another middle tier not W school regardless of their motivated Asian population. They were comfortable as a faux W “North” Potomac school with good test scores.

Lol OMG this is it! Well said

+1 PP wins this thread

For stupid, yes.

Man Crown parents are sensitive

Crown parents probably have more money than Wootton given housing prices.

Actually not. Yes, the SFHs are absurdly expensive, but that's a very small percentage of the housing there.

The townhomes are a million or more too.

I don't get the concern for other kids' test scores. It helps your kids with college admissions not to be in such a competitive environment. Then, these same parents complain about their kids college acceptances.

Townhouse kids don’t belong at Wootton.

There are townhouse kids there now. So, should they all be transfered asap as well as any student without a 3.5 GPA and 1400 SAT?

i’m trying to figure out how many times you have made this same comment about gpa and sat score. It’s been multiple times on multiple threads. I would guess maybe we are up to at least a dozen but probably more. Are you really this stupid that you just keep making the same comment over and over thinking it’s just so clever?

The complaint is bringing in students who are lower achieving so it makes sense to set a minimum standard for all Wootton students.

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Anonymous wrote:It's still crazy to close one of the top public high schools in the state unless you value equity over excellence in which case it makes perfect sense.

Why do you think excellence will decrease in the new building?

Black kids and a lesser town’s name in the address. Half of the IB parents think it was in Potomac to begin with. That sort of delusion was never going be able to absorb the slight of rubbing their faces the county’s indifference. Half of them think this is about Whitman levels of resentment but nobody cares about a Rockville school. It’s not rich enough to be important or poor enough to be cool and school status or envy is really neighborhood status/envy. They spent a generation thinking “at least we are not gaithersburg” and presto change-o now they are. When they talk about losing their identity, thats the identity they are talking about. With some more poor kids thrown into the mix they will slide down academic rankings a tad too and then just be another middle tier not W school regardless of their motivated Asian population. They were comfortable as a faux W “North” Potomac school with good test scores.

Lol OMG this is it! Well said

+1 PP wins this thread

For stupid, yes.

Man Crown parents are sensitive

Crown parents probably have more money than Wootton given housing prices.

Actually not. Yes, the SFHs are absurdly expensive, but that's a very small percentage of the housing there.

The townhomes are a million or more too.

I don't get the concern for other kids' test scores. It helps your kids with college admissions not to be in such a competitive environment. Then, these same parents complain about their kids college acceptances.

Townhouse kids don’t belong at Wootton.

There are townhouse kids there now. So, should they all be transfered asap as well as any student without a 3.5 GPA and 1400 SAT?

i’m trying to figure out how many times you have made this same comment about gpa and sat score. It’s been multiple times on multiple threads. I would guess maybe we are up to at least a dozen but probably more. Are you really this stupid that you just keep making the same comment over and over thinking it’s just so clever?

The complaint is bringing in students who are lower achieving so it makes sense to set a minimum standard for all Wootton students.

The PP is trying to be snarky, but failing. Wootton has high academic achievement and graduation rate. It’s likely these will decrease with the move to Crown, which is why many families have expressed concern. Instead of acknowledging this likelihood, the trolls on this thread choose ridicule to delegitimize it. Reputation of a high school matters, whether it’s academics or sports - both of which drive home purchase decisions.

Perhaps Wootton won’t take much of an academic hit. But if it does, history will not look favorably on MCPS for its decision.

[Anonymous]

This conversation really touches on how much of a school's reputation is attributable to the school actually doing something better, and how much is attributable to packing it with well-off kids whose parents get them tutoring and other advantages outside of school.

Increasingly, the conversation is trending toward the idea that Wootton is good academically because the kids are wealthy and insulated from people who aren't, and that looping in kids of mixed SES who are local to the school will render Wootton as average as any other school that includes less-wealthy populations.

So is there actually anything special about Wootton and its students? Or is it just the bubble? Maybe this is obvious to everyone else, but I had always thought the argument was that Wootton was something impressive and special in and of itself. But it seems like it might not be any better education-wise than any other school in the district.

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Anonymous wrote:This conversation really touches on how much of a school's reputation is attributable to the school actually doing something better, and how much is attributable to packing it with well-off kids whose parents get them tutoring and other advantages outside of school.

Increasingly, the conversation is trending toward the idea that Wootton is good academically because the kids are wealthy and insulated from people who aren't, and that looping in kids of mixed SES who are local to the school will render Wootton as average as any other school that includes less-wealthy populations.

So is there actually anything special about Wootton and its students? Or is it just the bubble? Maybe this is obvious to everyone else, but I had always thought the argument was that Wootton was something impressive and special in and of itself. But it seems like it might not be any better education-wise than any other school in the district.

You need to separate the curriculum and the student body. The curriculum is up to MCPS, but it does offer more AP classes than many other high schools in MCPS. This may be due to the demand for them, bringing us to the student body.

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Anonymous wrote:It's still crazy to close one of the top public high schools in the state unless you value equity over excellence in which case it makes perfect sense.

Why do you think excellence will decrease in the new building?

Black kids and a lesser town’s name in the address. Half of the IB parents think it was in Potomac to begin with. That sort of delusion was never going be able to absorb the slight of rubbing their faces the county’s indifference. Half of them think this is about Whitman levels of resentment but nobody cares about a Rockville school. It’s not rich enough to be important or poor enough to be cool and school status or envy is really neighborhood status/envy. They spent a generation thinking “at least we are not gaithersburg” and presto change-o now they are. When they talk about losing their identity, thats the identity they are talking about. With some more poor kids thrown into the mix they will slide down academic rankings a tad too and then just be another middle tier not W school regardless of their motivated Asian population. They were comfortable as a faux W “North” Potomac school with good test scores.

Lol OMG this is it! Well said

+1 PP wins this thread

For stupid, yes.

Man Crown parents are sensitive

Crown parents probably have more money than Wootton given housing prices.

Actually not. Yes, the SFHs are absurdly expensive, but that's a very small percentage of the housing there.

The townhomes are a million or more too.

I don't get the concern for other kids' test scores. It helps your kids with college admissions not to be in such a competitive environment. Then, these same parents complain about their kids college acceptances.

Townhouse kids don’t belong at Wootton.

There are townhouse kids there now. So, should they all be transfered asap as well as any student without a 3.5 GPA and 1400 SAT?

Exactly. Stonebridge, Washingtonian and the Willows of Rockville Townhome students should be transferred to Crown as an indefinite holding school for Magruder until there are funds to rebuild both it and Wootton. Then when Wootton reopens they should not be sent back to Wootton on the parkway.

+1. Wootton should be for SFH kids only.

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Anonymous wrote:It's still crazy to close one of the top public high schools in the state unless you value equity over excellence in which case it makes perfect sense.

Why do you think excellence will decrease in the new building?

Black kids and a lesser town’s name in the address. Half of the IB parents think it was in Potomac to begin with. That sort of delusion was never going be able to absorb the slight of rubbing their faces the county’s indifference. Half of them think this is about Whitman levels of resentment but nobody cares about a Rockville school. It’s not rich enough to be important or poor enough to be cool and school status or envy is really neighborhood status/envy. They spent a generation thinking “at least we are not gaithersburg” and presto change-o now they are. When they talk about losing their identity, thats the identity they are talking about. With some more poor kids thrown into the mix they will slide down academic rankings a tad too and then just be another middle tier not W school regardless of their motivated Asian population. They were comfortable as a faux W “North” Potomac school with good test scores.

Lol OMG this is it! Well said

+1 PP wins this thread

For stupid, yes.

Man Crown parents are sensitive

Crown parents probably have more money than Wootton given housing prices.

Actually not. Yes, the SFHs are absurdly expensive, but that's a very small percentage of the housing there.

The townhomes are a million or more too.

I don't get the concern for other kids' test scores. It helps your kids with college admissions not to be in such a competitive environment. Then, these same parents complain about their kids college acceptances.

Townhouse kids don’t belong at Wootton.

There are townhouse kids there now. So, should they all be transfered asap as well as any student without a 3.5 GPA and 1400 SAT?

Exactly. Stonebridge, Washingtonian and the Willows of Rockville Townhome students should be transferred to Crown as an indefinite holding school for Magruder until there are funds to rebuild both it and Wootton. Then when Wootton reopens they should not be sent back to Wootton on the parkway.

+1. Wootton should be for SFH kids only.

There also needs to be a minimum gpa and sat requirement. Those test scores are important.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This conversation really touches on how much of a school's reputation is attributable to the school actually doing something better, and how much is attributable to packing it with well-off kids whose parents get them tutoring and other advantages outside of school.

Increasingly, the conversation is trending toward the idea that Wootton is good academically because the kids are wealthy and insulated from people who aren't, and that looping in kids of mixed SES who are local to the school will render Wootton as average as any other school that includes less-wealthy populations.

So is there actually anything special about Wootton and its students? Or is it just the bubble? Maybe this is obvious to everyone else, but I had always thought the argument was that Wootton was something impressive and special in and of itself. But it seems like it might not be any better education-wise than any other school in the district.

They are good kids with generally higher iqs as they were blessed with the genetics. Social engineering.

Many of us providing tutoring and many of the same activities the Wootton kids are in but some of those families self segregate and will not let the kids be friends, especially outside their culture.

You can do online tutoring pretty affordable and get PhD level tutors.

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Anonymous wrote:It's still crazy to close one of the top public high schools in the state unless you value equity over excellence in which case it makes perfect sense.

Why do you think excellence will decrease in the new building?

Black kids and a lesser town’s name in the address. Half of the IB parents think it was in Potomac to begin with. That sort of delusion was never going be able to absorb the slight of rubbing their faces the county’s indifference. Half of them think this is about Whitman levels of resentment but nobody cares about a Rockville school. It’s not rich enough to be important or poor enough to be cool and school status or envy is really neighborhood status/envy. They spent a generation thinking “at least we are not gaithersburg” and presto change-o now they are. When they talk about losing their identity, thats the identity they are talking about. With some more poor kids thrown into the mix they will slide down academic rankings a tad too and then just be another middle tier not W school regardless of their motivated Asian population. They were comfortable as a faux W “North” Potomac school with good test scores.

Lol OMG this is it! Well said

+1 PP wins this thread

For stupid, yes.

Man Crown parents are sensitive

Crown parents probably have more money than Wootton given housing prices.

Actually not. Yes, the SFHs are absurdly expensive, but that's a very small percentage of the housing there.

The townhomes are a million or more too.

I don't get the concern for other kids' test scores. It helps your kids with college admissions not to be in such a competitive environment. Then, these same parents complain about their kids college acceptances.

Townhouse kids don’t belong at Wootton.

There are townhouse kids there now. So, should they all be transfered asap as well as any student without a 3.5 GPA and 1400 SAT?

i’m trying to figure out how many times you have made this same comment about gpa and sat score. It’s been multiple times on multiple threads. I would guess maybe we are up to at least a dozen but probably more. Are you really this stupid that you just keep making the same comment over and over thinking it’s just so clever?

The complaint is bringing in students who are lower achieving so it makes sense to set a minimum standard for all Wootton students.

The PP is trying to be snarky, but failing. Wootton has high academic achievement and graduation rate. It’s likely these will decrease with the move to Crown, which is why many families have expressed concern. Instead of acknowledging this likelihood, the trolls on this thread choose ridicule to delegitimize it. Reputation of a high school matters, whether it’s academics or sports - both of which drive home purchase decisions.

Perhaps Wootton won’t take much of an academic hit. But if it does, history will not look favorably on MCPS for its decision.

And, that is not an issue for their kids. Their kids will still be high achieving.

Personally, given the last ten years of violent incidents I think they could use a fresh start.

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Anonymous wrote:It's still crazy to close one of the top public high schools in the state unless you value equity over excellence in which case it makes perfect sense.

Why do you think excellence will decrease in the new building?

Black kids and a lesser town’s name in the address. Half of the IB parents think it was in Potomac to begin with. That sort of delusion was never going be able to absorb the slight of rubbing their faces the county’s indifference. Half of them think this is about Whitman levels of resentment but nobody cares about a Rockville school. It’s not rich enough to be important or poor enough to be cool and school status or envy is really neighborhood status/envy. They spent a generation thinking “at least we are not gaithersburg” and presto change-o now they are. When they talk about losing their identity, thats the identity they are talking about. With some more poor kids thrown into the mix they will slide down academic rankings a tad too and then just be another middle tier not W school regardless of their motivated Asian population. They were comfortable as a faux W “North” Potomac school with good test scores.

Lol OMG this is it! Well said

+1 PP wins this thread

For stupid, yes.

Man Crown parents are sensitive

Crown parents probably have more money than Wootton given housing prices.

Actually not. Yes, the SFHs are absurdly expensive, but that's a very small percentage of the housing there.

The townhomes are a million or more too.

I don't get the concern for other kids' test scores. It helps your kids with college admissions not to be in such a competitive environment. Then, these same parents complain about their kids college acceptances.

Townhouse kids don’t belong at Wootton.

There are townhouse kids there now. So, should they all be transfered asap as well as any student without a 3.5 GPA and 1400 SAT?

i’m trying to figure out how many times you have made this same comment about gpa and sat score. It’s been multiple times on multiple threads. I would guess maybe we are up to at least a dozen but probably more. Are you really this stupid that you just keep making the same comment over and over thinking it’s just so clever?

The complaint is bringing in students who are lower achieving so it makes sense to set a minimum standard for all Wootton students.

The PP is trying to be snarky, but failing. Wootton has high academic achievement and graduation rate. It’s likely these will decrease with the move to Crown, which is why many families have expressed concern. Instead of acknowledging this likelihood, the trolls on this thread choose ridicule to delegitimize it. Reputation of a high school matters, whether it’s academics or sports - both of which drive home purchase decisions.

Perhaps Wootton won’t take much of an academic hit. But if it does, history will not look favorably on MCPS for its decision.

1. Thank you for acknowledging that home value, as opposed to academic matters, drive the opposition.

2. I, at least, have acknowledged multiple times that there is a small chance that the average scores and graduation rate will go down slightly- though in reality the scores for all individual students will either go up or stay the same- so there is no negative impact predicted for any student.

3. Also nothing you are saying has anything to do with the move of the physical building, but the change in boundary and slight modification to cohort- revealing that the true concern here is maintaining segregation.

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There is about a 30%-40% difference in math and reading proficiency scores between Fields road and the Wootton cluster elementary schools.

Why do you think this is? I will tell you why-parent engagement. Many of the lower performing elementary schools have parents that are working multiple jobs, The kids are left alone sometimes for extended periods. Academics takes a back seat. Not saying they have full control over this but this is the reality.

I love how some of you think these kids will magically become high performers when moved to Crown. I’m sure they already had great teachers who tried to push them to achieve. Unless you have a ton of internal motivation that simply doesn’t work.

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Anonymous wrote:There is about a 30%-40% difference in math and reading proficiency scores between Fields road and the Wootton cluster elementary schools.

Why do you think this is? I will tell you why-parent engagement. Many of the lower performing elementary schools have parents that are working multiple jobs, The kids are left alone sometimes for extended periods. Academics takes a back seat. Not saying they have full control over this but this is the reality.

I love how some of you think these kids will magically become high performers when moved to Crown. I’m sure they already had great teachers who tried to push them to achieve. Unless you have a ton of internal motivation that simply doesn’t work.

So you are saying cohort doesn’t matter? In that case you shouldn’t worry about scores changing for any kids in either direction. So, no problem.

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Anonymous wrote:There is about a 30%-40% difference in math and reading proficiency scores between Fields road and the Wootton cluster elementary schools.

Why do you think this is? I will tell you why-parent engagement. Many of the lower performing elementary schools have parents that are working multiple jobs, The kids are left alone sometimes for extended periods. Academics takes a back seat. Not saying they have full control over this but this is the reality.

I love how some of you think these kids will magically become high performers when moved to Crown. I’m sure they already had great teachers who tried to push them to achieve. Unless you have a ton of internal motivation that simply doesn’t work.

So you are saying cohort doesn’t matter? In that case you shouldn’t worry about scores changing for any kids in either direction. So, no problem.

Their scores will affect the overall school rating, obviously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is about a 30%-40% difference in math and reading proficiency scores between Fields road and the Wootton cluster elementary schools.

Why do you think this is? I will tell you why-parent engagement. Many of the lower performing elementary schools have parents that are working multiple jobs, The kids are left alone sometimes for extended periods. Academics takes a back seat. Not saying they have full control over this but this is the reality.

I love how some of you think these kids will magically become high performers when moved to Crown. I’m sure they already had great teachers who tried to push them to achieve. Unless you have a ton of internal motivation that simply doesn’t work.

Exactly this. Why should families that worked hard for a home in the Wootton cluster have to send their kids to school with classmates who are less motivated, less engaged, and less successful?