Only ~14% Of U.S. Adults Have Gotten Latest Covid-19 Vaccine Update

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why PP? What is it about this booster just curious?

My doctor and my kids' pediatrician weren't against the booster by any means, but they said not to expect it to have much of a benefit after about 2-3 months. I already knew that, but was a bit surprised they were both so up-front about it.

Was he/she/they suggesting re-vaccinating every three months??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why PP? What is it about this booster just curious?

My doctor and my kids' pediatrician weren't against the booster by any means, but they said not to expect it to have much of a benefit after about 2-3 months. I already knew that, but was a bit surprised they were both so up-front about it.

Was he/she/they suggesting re-vaccinating every three months??

No, certainly not. These were all annual follow-up visits, and the flu and covid vaccinations were on their checklists to cover. They recommended the flu vaccine, and carried it in the office. They didn't recommend for or against the covid vaccine, but both acknowledged there wasn't data showing a great benefit, particularly for people previously vaccinated or infected.

The closest thing the pediatrician provided in terms of advice was over timing. He said if we ultimately did decide to to get the updated vaccine, we should think about when we'd want that 2-3 months of protection. This was back in November. He was basically suggesting that we wait until mid-December, if we were going to get it at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why PP? What is it about this booster just curious?

My doctor and my kids' pediatrician weren't against the booster by any means, but they said not to expect it to have much of a benefit after about 2-3 months. I already knew that, but was a bit surprised they were both so up-front about it.

Was he/she/they suggesting re-vaccinating every three months??

No, certainly not. These were all annual follow-up visits, and the flu and covid vaccinations were on their checklists to cover. They recommended the flu vaccine, and carried it in the office. They didn't recommend for or against the covid vaccine, but both acknowledged there wasn't data showing a great benefit, particularly for people previously vaccinated or infected.

The closest thing the pediatrician provided in terms of advice was over timing. He said if we ultimately did decide to to get the updated vaccine, we should think about when we'd want that 2-3 months of protection. This was back in November. He was basically suggesting that we wait until mid-December, if we were going to get it at all.

Do you think they don't have the covid-19 new vax because they're scared of long term effects and don't want to be liable down the road????????????

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why PP? What is it about this booster just curious?

My doctor and my kids' pediatrician weren't against the booster by any means, but they said not to expect it to have much of a benefit after about 2-3 months. I already knew that, but was a bit surprised they were both so up-front about it.

Was he/she/they suggesting re-vaccinating every three months??

No, certainly not. These were all annual follow-up visits, and the flu and covid vaccinations were on their checklists to cover. They recommended the flu vaccine, and carried it in the office. They didn't recommend for or against the covid vaccine, but both acknowledged there wasn't data showing a great benefit, particularly for people previously vaccinated or infected.

The closest thing the pediatrician provided in terms of advice was over timing. He said if we ultimately did decide to to get the updated vaccine, we should think about when we'd want that 2-3 months of protection. This was back in November. He was basically suggesting that we wait until mid-December, if we were going to get it at all.

Do you think they don't have the covid-19 new vax because they're scared of long term effects and don't want to be liable down the road????????????

No. That's ridiculous on multiple levels.

The two offices don't carry the vaccine because there wasn't enough demand for it when they did carry the (previous) vaccines. We didn't talk about it in this visit, but last year they said they had to throw out a lot of doses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why PP? What is it about this booster just curious?

My doctor and my kids' pediatrician weren't against the booster by any means, but they said not to expect it to have much of a benefit after about 2-3 months. I already knew that, but was a bit surprised they were both so up-front about it.

Was he/she/they suggesting re-vaccinating every three months??

No, certainly not. These were all annual follow-up visits, and the flu and covid vaccinations were on their checklists to cover. They recommended the flu vaccine, and carried it in the office. They didn't recommend for or against the covid vaccine, but both acknowledged there wasn't data showing a great benefit, particularly for people previously vaccinated or infected.

The closest thing the pediatrician provided in terms of advice was over timing. He said if we ultimately did decide to to get the updated vaccine, we should think about when we'd want that 2-3 months of protection. This was back in November. He was basically suggesting that we wait until mid-December, if we were going to get it at all.

Do you think they don't have the covid-19 new vax because they're scared of long term effects and don't want to be liable down the road????????????

In Switzerland, doctors can be liable for vaccine injuries in some cases:

"Since the 1st. January 2016 the fundamentally revised Epidemics Act (EpG) is in force. Articles 64-69 EpG provide for a uniform procedure that applies to all of Switzerland for requests for financial compensation and satisfaction in the event of damage from consequences. One compensation for vaccination damage is only considered in the following situations: 1. The vaccination was recommended or ordered by the authorities. ... 3. Compensation is only granted if the damage is not otherwise covered (subsidiary liability). Specifically, this means that a injured person is only entitled to compensation if the damage has not already been covered by third parties, for example by a doctor ( medical liability ), the vaccine manufacturer ( product liability ) or insurance ( social or private insurance ). The compensation wants to alleviate insufficient third-party benefits."
https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/de/home/gesetze-und-bewilligungen/gesuche-bewilligungen/gesuche-bewilligungen-im-bereich-infektionskrankheiten/genugtuung-bei-impfschaeden.html

[Anonymous]

The Swiss canton Bern only recommends the new covid booster for people 65+ years old and the medically vulnerable who are 16+ years old. For everyone else:

"Vaccination is not recommended for all other people, as there is hardly any risk of serious illness in people without risk factors."
https://www.gsi.be.ch/de/start/themen/coronavirus/impfen/boostercheck.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Swiss canton Bern only recommends the new covid booster for people 65+ years old and the medically vulnerable who are 16+ years old. For everyone else:

"Vaccination is not recommended for all other people, as there is hardly any risk of serious illness in people without risk factors."
https://www.gsi.be.ch/de/start/themen/coronavirus/impfen/boostercheck.html

That isn't the CDC or even an organization within the United States.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Swiss canton Bern only recommends the new covid booster for people 65+ years old and the medically vulnerable who are 16+ years old. For everyone else:

"Vaccination is not recommended for all other people, as there is hardly any risk of serious illness in people without risk factors."
https://www.gsi.be.ch/de/start/themen/coronavirus/impfen/boostercheck.html

That isn't the CDC or even an organization within the United States.

Nearly every other nation in the world only recommends the new covid booster for the elderly and the medically vulnerable. The US is an outlier in recommending the booster for all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why PP? What is it about this booster just curious?

My doctor and my kids' pediatrician weren't against the booster by any means, but they said not to expect it to have much of a benefit after about 2-3 months. I already knew that, but was a bit surprised they were both so up-front about it.

Was he/she/they suggesting re-vaccinating every three months??

No, certainly not. These were all annual follow-up visits, and the flu and covid vaccinations were on their checklists to cover. They recommended the flu vaccine, and carried it in the office. They didn't recommend for or against the covid vaccine, but both acknowledged there wasn't data showing a great benefit, particularly for people previously vaccinated or infected.

The closest thing the pediatrician provided in terms of advice was over timing. He said if we ultimately did decide to to get the updated vaccine, we should think about when we'd want that 2-3 months of protection. This was back in November. He was basically suggesting that we wait until mid-December, if we were going to get it at all.

Do you think they don't have the covid-19 new vax because they're scared of long term effects and don't want to be liable down the road????????????

In Switzerland, doctors can be liable for vaccine injuries in some cases:

"Since the 1st. January 2016 the fundamentally revised Epidemics Act (EpG) is in force. Articles 64-69 EpG provide for a uniform procedure that applies to all of Switzerland for requests for financial compensation and satisfaction in the event of damage from consequences. One compensation for vaccination damage is only considered in the following situations: 1. The vaccination was recommended or ordered by the authorities. ... 3. Compensation is only granted if the damage is not otherwise covered (subsidiary liability). Specifically, this means that a injured person is only entitled to compensation if the damage has not already been covered by third parties, for example by a doctor ( medical liability ), the vaccine manufacturer ( product liability ) or insurance ( social or private insurance ). The compensation wants to alleviate insufficient third-party benefits."
https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/de/home/gesetze-und-bewilligungen/gesuche-bewilligungen/gesuche-bewilligungen-im-bereich-infektionskrankheiten/genugtuung-bei-impfschaeden.html

That's describing the Swiss equivalent of the US's National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, rather than doctor liability.

Yes, you could construct scenarios where administration of a vaccine would be considered malpractice, but they're pretty extreme scenarios. e.g., giving someone severely immunocompromised a live virus vaccine against manufacturer and regulatory instructions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why PP? What is it about this booster just curious?

My doctor and my kids' pediatrician weren't against the booster by any means, but they said not to expect it to have much of a benefit after about 2-3 months. I already knew that, but was a bit surprised they were both so up-front about it.

Was he/she/they suggesting re-vaccinating every three months??

No. I'm not that pp, but you definitely want to get the vaccine before respiratory virus season, when you will be indoors with more people. It's the same with the flu shot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Swiss canton Bern only recommends the new covid booster for people 65+ years old and the medically vulnerable who are 16+ years old. For everyone else:

"Vaccination is not recommended for all other people, as there is hardly any risk of serious illness in people without risk factors."
https://www.gsi.be.ch/de/start/themen/coronavirus/impfen/boostercheck.html

That isn't the CDC or even an organization within the United States.

Nearly every other nation in the world only recommends the new covid booster for the elderly and the medically vulnerable. The US is an outlier in recommending the booster for all.

The US authorities know that most of the population in many states won't get any Covid vaccine at all, sadly, especially those 65+ who really need it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Swiss canton Bern only recommends the new covid booster for people 65+ years old and the medically vulnerable who are 16+ years old. For everyone else:

"Vaccination is not recommended for all other people, as there is hardly any risk of serious illness in people without risk factors."
https://www.gsi.be.ch/de/start/themen/coronavirus/impfen/boostercheck.html

That isn't the CDC or even an organization within the United States.

The CDC Advisory Cmte on Immunization Practices (ACIP)'s decision to recommend the booster for everyone 6 months and older was not unanimous; it was 13-1. CDC ACIP member Dr. Pablo Sanchez favored a more narrow booster recommendation focused on high-risk groups and did not support the broad recommendation that was ultimately approved:
“We have extremely limited data on children and infants and other individuals, and I think that needs to be made available to the parents. I also think that in certain circumstances, we do have to be concerned about potential side effects, especially in young adults and in young adult males. And so, I think all of that needs to be weighed. And so, that’s why I hesitate to make it just a universal recommendation.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9btUOBz3XCs (video 10:08)

Others involved with CDC ACIP also favored limiting the booster recommendation to just the elderly & vulnerable, but were convinced by some ACIP members that it should be recommended for all for health equity reasons so that insurance companies would cover the costs for all who wanted the booster.
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2023-09-11/should-you-get-the-new-covid-booster-the-cdc-is-about-to-decide

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Swiss canton Bern only recommends the new covid booster for people 65+ years old and the medically vulnerable who are 16+ years old. For everyone else:

"Vaccination is not recommended for all other people, as there is hardly any risk of serious illness in people without risk factors."
https://www.gsi.be.ch/de/start/themen/coronavirus/impfen/boostercheck.html

That isn't the CDC or even an organization within the United States.

The CDC Advisory Cmte on Immunization Practices (ACIP)'s decision to recommend the booster for everyone 6 months and older was not unanimous; it was 13-1. CDC ACIP member Dr. Pablo Sanchez favored a more narrow booster recommendation focused on high-risk groups and did not support the broad recommendation that was ultimately approved:
“We have extremely limited data on children and infants and other individuals, and I think that needs to be made available to the parents. I also think that in certain circumstances, we do have to be concerned about potential side effects, especially in young adults and in young adult males. And so, I think all of that needs to be weighed. And so, that’s why I hesitate to make it just a universal recommendation.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9btUOBz3XCs (video 10:08)

Others involved with CDC ACIP also favored limiting the booster recommendation to just the elderly & vulnerable, but were convinced by some ACIP members that it should be recommended for all for health equity reasons so that insurance companies would cover the costs for all who wanted the booster.
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2023-09-11/should-you-get-the-new-covid-booster-the-cdc-is-about-to-decide

Yet even with the mew shot JN.1 is on the rise.

[Anonymous]

The sure is starting in Greater DC and hospital staff are masking. (See other thread)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The sure is starting in Greater DC and hospital staff are masking. (See other thread)

People on this board have brain lag, so let's make it easy for them.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/12/29/coronavirus-dc-maryland-virginia-increase-holidays-flu-rsv/

Nilesh Kalyanaraman, deputy secretary of public health services at the Maryland Department of Health, says public health officials and hospitals are on alert following the holiday increase in infection and hospitalizations related to respiratory ailments in Maryland. Kalyanaraman largely attributes the spike to many who have traveled without wearing masks and lagging coronavirus and flu vaccination rates, he said.

“We continue to say that masking, particularly wearing a K-95 mask, will help decrease transmission,” Kalyanaraman said. But, he added, “it is up to the individuals at this point.”

Cover your faceholes, @ssholes!