3 children dead in private Christian elementary school shooting in TN

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Anonymous wrote:If he isn't there to fix it, then why TF is he there?

Honestly, republicans have no political will to fix it. They are ok with the status quo. They find these school shootings to be an acceptable side effect of protecting their ability to easily gain access to guns. They may have miscalculated a bit in thinking their kids would be safe in private school.

How can you get a bipartisan solution to a problem when one party doesn’t even think there *is* a problem, or if they do they’re just ok accepting it? They’ll fight tooth and nail to stop abortions, but don’t give a d@mn if those babies get riddled with bullets in a few years. I have absolutely no respect for anyone who votes for these monstrous politicians, even the ones doing it just for “fiscal reasons.” Good job on voting for tax cuts at the cost of dead children, your money is covered in blood.

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Anonymous wrote:Did the shooter get the guns legally and pass a background check? Perhaps the trans may have been a concern because of mental illness and unfit to purchase a gun

1. By definition, any mass shooter is mentally ill.

2. The APA no longer considers trans identity as a mental disorder.

Part of the background check should look into mental health, perhaps a question about transitioning

Let's keep it simple. BAN assault weapons. Then move on to severely regulating the rest of these killing tools.

That won't work.

Assault weapons are just scary looking rifles.

Also sniper rifles are the same as hunting rifles.

That's so cute. No they explode and pulverize the little children they are fired upon. All the others just kill them dead. Do you have children?

The shooter could have done exactly the same thing with any other rifle, shotgun, or handgun. There is no feature on that rifle that increased lethality against unarmed students and staff.

To be clear, handgun bullets do not have the same effect on the body and are far easier to survive than rifle bullets.

-Healthcare worker.

Shooter was armed with a Keltec rifle that is chambered in 9mm.

Point stands.

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Anonymous wrote:Next they'll post stats about Switzerland which, yes, has high gun ownership and ALSO regulates gun ownership way more than the US and requires everyone to take a gun class and pass a test, for which all of age men are required to join the military, so 1/4 guns are owned specifically because of being in the military rather than to simply have a showy Christmas card, and simply having a possible violent attitude can exempt you from owning a gun, gun sellers can consult psychiatrists if they have a concern before selling, and on and on....

Then that shows that mental health needs to be taken care of.

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Anonymous wrote:Next they'll post stats about Switzerland which, yes, has high gun ownership and ALSO regulates gun ownership way more than the US and requires everyone to take a gun class and pass a test, for which all of age men are required to join the military, so 1/4 guns are owned specifically because of being in the military rather than to simply have a showy Christmas card, and simply having a possible violent attitude can exempt you from owning a gun, gun sellers can consult psychiatrists if they have a concern before selling, and on and on....

Then that shows that mental health needs to be taken care of.

I am a left leaning independent and FULLY support mental health assessments before gun purchases. The GOP will froth about mental health, but will never support that, so..... .

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Anonymous wrote:Gun control does not work.

Hardening the schools is a better, and more feasible measure.

+1

Harden the school.
Then harden the Walmarts.
Then harden the shopping malls.
Then harden the restaurants.
Then harden concert venues
Then harden the movie theaters.
Okay my hands are tired of typing now, but you get the idea...


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Anonymous wrote:Did the shooter get the guns legally and pass a background check? Perhaps the trans may have been a concern because of mental illness and unfit to purchase a gun

1. By definition, any mass shooter is mentally ill.

2. The APA no longer considers trans identity as a mental disorder.

Part of the background check should look into mental health, perhaps a question about transitioning

Let's keep it simple. BAN assault weapons. Then move on to severely regulating the rest of these killing tools.

That won't work.

Assault weapons are just scary looking rifles.

Also sniper rifles are the same as hunting rifles.

That's so cute. No they explode and pulverize the little children they are fired upon. All the others just kill them dead. Do you have children?

The shooter could have done exactly the same thing with any other rifle, shotgun, or handgun. There is no feature on that rifle that increased lethality against unarmed students and staff.

muzzle velocity, ease of aiming, ease of shooting bursts while keeping the gun on target... There is a reason that assault rifles exist other than looking cool; they are very efficient if you want to accurately shoot a lot of bullets traveling at a high velocity at a target quickly

Which doesn't matter against unarmed opponents at close range.

At further distances, yes rifles have significant advantages. At close in distances, the longer barrels of a rifle provide disadvantages, and pistol caliber SMGs have advantages due to their compactness for manuevering indoors.

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Anonymous wrote:Did the shooter get the guns legally and pass a background check? Perhaps the trans may have been a concern because of mental illness and unfit to purchase a gun

1. By definition, any mass shooter is mentally ill.

2. The APA no longer considers trans identity as a mental disorder.

Part of the background check should look into mental health, perhaps a question about transitioning

Let's keep it simple. BAN assault weapons. Then move on to severely regulating the rest of these killing tools.

That won't work.

Assault weapons are just scary looking rifles.

Also sniper rifles are the same as hunting rifles.

That's so cute. No they explode and pulverize the little children they are fired upon. All the others just kill them dead. Do you have children?

The shooter could have done exactly the same thing with any other rifle, shotgun, or handgun. There is no feature on that rifle that increased lethality against unarmed students and staff.

To be clear, handgun bullets do not have the same effect on the body and are far easier to survive than rifle bullets.

-Healthcare worker.

Shooter was armed with a Keltec rifle that is chambered in 9mm.

Point stands.

Even a 9mm.

-Healthcare worker.

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Anonymous wrote:Did the shooter get the guns legally and pass a background check? Perhaps the trans may have been a concern because of mental illness and unfit to purchase a gun

1. By definition, any mass shooter is mentally ill.

2. The APA no longer considers trans identity as a mental disorder.

Part of the background check should look into mental health, perhaps a question about transitioning

Let's keep it simple. BAN assault weapons. Then move on to severely regulating the rest of these killing tools.

That won't work.

Assault weapons are just scary looking rifles.

Also sniper rifles are the same as hunting rifles.

That's so cute. No they explode and pulverize the little children they are fired upon. All the others just kill them dead. Do you have children?

The shooter could have done exactly the same thing with any other rifle, shotgun, or handgun. There is no feature on that rifle that increased lethality against unarmed students and staff.

To be clear, handgun bullets do not have the same effect on the body and are far easier to survive than rifle bullets.

-Healthcare worker.

Shooter was armed with a Keltec rifle that is chambered in 9mm.

Point stands.

Even a 9mm.

-Healthcare worker.

To clarify, it's the force delivered by a rifle, not just the bullet.

"“I often use the analogy that the injury to the liver [with a semi-automatic rifle] would be similar to just taking a watermelon and dropping it on the cement. It’s incredible the amount of energy delivered. … By comparison, the 9 millimeter would drill a hole through the liver. So you’d have a sizable hole, but if you didn’t hit a major blood vessel, it’s a pretty tolerable injury. In fact, we in civilian trauma will often manage a 9-millimeter liver injury without an operation, whereas a patient with an assault rifle would be dead within 20 minutes if you didn’t operate,” he said."

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/08/health/gun-violence-human-body-damage-gupta/index.html

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Anonymous wrote:Did the shooter get the guns legally and pass a background check? Perhaps the trans may have been a concern because of mental illness and unfit to purchase a gun

1. By definition, any mass shooter is mentally ill.

2. The APA no longer considers trans identity as a mental disorder.

Part of the background check should look into mental health, perhaps a question about transitioning

Let's keep it simple. BAN assault weapons. Then move on to severely regulating the rest of these killing tools.

That won't work.

Assault weapons are just scary looking rifles.

Also sniper rifles are the same as hunting rifles.

It's a start. Chip away a little at a time. There's no other way.

Agree. Assault weapons ban is low hanging fruit since it was in place for 10 years and the world did not come to end. Life goes on just find without assault weapons polluting our country.

Manufacturers just designed around the ban during those years. Just as manufacturers designed around California's current ban. The compliant rifles remain just as deadly as any other rifle.



I don't care if one is pro gun or anti gun, it’s just stupid legislation that doesn't solve the problem one way or the other.

So, Madame Gun Genius, only the US, unique among developed nations, has this problem. I guess it’s something inherent in us as a people that we’re all just uncontrollably violent. No way we can solve this with any laws. Nope. We just have to keep destroying families because we’re us.

I agree with your statement. Yes there is something unique about the USA and it's not access to firearms.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

The other countries with high gun possession rates don't have the school shooting issues that we do. Countries that are literal warzone don't have that issue, lawless narco states don't have that issue. Countries that mandated each house have a firearm never had that issue.

So what makes Americans shoot up schools? It has to be something beyond merely availability.

It’s also the fetish-izing of guns. It’s that it has become a political issue that people have their identity wrapped up in. People are emotionally invested in gun ownership in a way that is not normal. They treat guns like toys (e.g. posting photos with them on social media). It’s bizarre. Can you imagine if people were this charged up over toothbrushes or lawnmowers? We need to get to a place of recognizing them as tools. They can serve useful purposes (law enforcement, hunting, even home protection). We should be finding how to achieve these goals with restrictions instead of coming at it from a free for all, guns as toys and a self-identity mindset.

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Anonymous wrote:Children die for the 2nd Amendment. The GOP has decided to sacrifice our young for men to pretend to be the punisher.

We have their thoughts and prayers. Doesn't that stop bullets or do they just call fake news when children actually die?

Idiot. Blame the shooter, please.

I blame the shooter and the easy access to weapons.

I blame the shooter and the easy access to weapons, especially assault-style rifles which make it even easier to shoot more people efficiently.

This past week in my hometown, I saw a man with a gun on his hip coming out of a restaurant. No problems, peaceful. Same week, another man robbed a local grocery store at gunpoint and took the police on a chase with girlfriend and baby in the car. Care to guess who'd more likely to own the legal gun? I wonder what would have happened if peaceful gun-owner was in the store at the same time that robber was there. He surely would have noticed the gun on peaceful man's hip. Would he have committed the crime as a result?

This is complete BS. Gun ownership has done absolutely nothing to curb crime in America. IMAGINE whatever you like but the fact remains that despite our much higher gun ownership rates, our per capita crime rates are higher than in most of the parts of the civilized world that has much tougher gun restrictions than the US.

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Anonymous wrote:Next they'll post stats about Switzerland which, yes, has high gun ownership and ALSO regulates gun ownership way more than the US and requires everyone to take a gun class and pass a test, for which all of age men are required to join the military, so 1/4 guns are owned specifically because of being in the military rather than to simply have a showy Christmas card, and simply having a possible violent attitude can exempt you from owning a gun, gun sellers can consult psychiatrists if they have a concern before selling, and on and on....

Then that shows that mental health needs to be taken care of.

I am a left leaning independent and FULLY support mental health assessments before gun purchases. The GOP will froth about mental health, but will never support that, so..... .

That's not workable but I would be fully supportive of taking away guns from any person that is prescribed psychotropic medication.

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Anonymous wrote:Did the shooter get the guns legally and pass a background check? Perhaps the trans may have been a concern because of mental illness and unfit to purchase a gun

1. By definition, any mass shooter is mentally ill.

2. The APA no longer considers trans identity as a mental disorder.

Part of the background check should look into mental health, perhaps a question about transitioning

Let's keep it simple. BAN assault weapons. Then move on to severely regulating the rest of these killing tools.

That won't work.

Assault weapons are just scary looking rifles.

Also sniper rifles are the same as hunting rifles.

That's so cute. No they explode and pulverize the little children they are fired upon. All the others just kill them dead. Do you have children?

The shooter could have done exactly the same thing with any other rifle, shotgun, or handgun. There is no feature on that rifle that increased lethality against unarmed students and staff.

To be clear, handgun bullets do not have the same effect on the body and are far easier to survive than rifle bullets.

-Healthcare worker.

Shooter was armed with a Keltec rifle that is chambered in 9mm.

Point stands.

Even a 9mm.

-Healthcare worker.

To clarify, it's the force delivered by a rifle, not just the bullet.

"“I often use the analogy that the injury to the liver [with a semi-automatic rifle] would be similar to just taking a watermelon and dropping it on the cement. It’s incredible the amount of energy delivered. … By comparison, the 9 millimeter would drill a hole through the liver. So you’d have a sizable hole, but if you didn’t hit a major blood vessel, it’s a pretty tolerable injury. In fact, we in civilian trauma will often manage a 9-millimeter liver injury without an operation, whereas a patient with an assault rifle would be dead within 20 minutes if you didn’t operate,” he said."

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/08/health/gun-violence-human-body-damage-gupta/index.html

Also, if you don't trust CNN, here's a video of a trauma surgeon reviewing the difference in wounds by a trauma surveon from a pro gun website

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/01/13/medical-pov-rifle-vs-handgun-wounds/

The video:

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Trying again for the video, trauma surgeon reviews difference in wounds for handguns vs rifles

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I'm not going to respond to posts about the shooter was transgender because there previous 2000 shooters were not transgender and it's completely irrelevant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not going to respond to posts about the shooter was transgender because there previous 2000 shooters were not transgender and it's completely irrelevant.

This.