The Pitt, Season 2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:two comments on last night's show

I am so wary that the Becca's "BF" is a worker at her home and is taking advantage of her, and she doesn't understand the difference.

Roxie's situation feels a lot like assisted suicide. "We can keep giving you morphine, but you may stop breathing. You want more? OK, but you may stop breathing." I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but that's just how it's coming off to me. It is not legal in Pennsylvania (according to Google, at least). And I agree with the comments about too many staff members seem to be actively involved, given all the crises of the day. Has anyone even attempted to get her admitted to a hospice/palliative care bed? (Maybe so and I forgot.)

While it's possible Becca's boyfriend is a worker at her daycare, I think it's much more likely that Becca and another patient at the daycare, likely with similar IDs, have developed a romance. This is a known issue at these kind of facilities and it's something staff, patients, and patient families have to figure out because of all the health and responsibility implications. These are adults with functioning reproductive systems -- they get sexual urges like anyone does and sometimes they act on them. There's this balance between respecting their autonomy as people and also recognizing the minefield of problems that can arise from this sort of thing. People IDs have relationships though. Some even get married and some even have kids of their own. It's very, very complicated for their caretakers, whether you are talking about a professional facility like Becca is in or the family caregivers like Mel. I think the show is just acknowledging this reality, which many people with an intellectually disabled adult family member need to deal with.

I am hopeful that this opinion is where the show is going. But I am wary the writers are going for "drama" and that we will ultimately learn Becca is in a bad situation. Sorry I was not more clear. I would be happy for Becca (or quite honestly, anyone) to be in a good relationship. I'm fearful that Becca is not a good relationship because the writers want to make all sorts of sad drama/commentary. I hope I am wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who's the biggest ahole tonight? Robby, Santos, or the surgeons?

Langdon
He was aggressively sh!tty to Santos last season because she was catching on to his addiction and eventually reported him. She should have been his first apology. He was an arrogant addict and he’s arrogant in recovery, expecting her to accept his authority with no remorse on his part.

He was also on her because she was doing reckless stuff without approval that endangered patients and not following procedure. There was no saint in that dynamic.

And yes, she has to accept his authority regardless of anyone's personal feelings because that how the hierarchy in an ED works.

Santos was right about Langdon's drug use, but that doesn’t make her right about everything.

Yes Santos is pushing unnecessary procedures on patients and Langdon is restraining her. Al-Hashimi was right there and agreed with Langdon. It's not being nice to let Santos push more invasive procedures on patients when it's not medically required and it's appropriate for Langdon to teach her restraint. Otherwise she'll put people through unnecessary pain and recovery.

I also read Santos' pushing for more invasive procedures as a form of hyper vigilance that is common in people who grew up in abusive or neglectful situations. She views Langdon as an unsafe person (fairly -- she barely knows him, their relationship started with him lying and gaslighting her, and she almost certainly fears retribution for her reporting him to Robby) and it's making her brain work too hard to try and keep everyone safe. Herself AND the patient.

I think this situation is on Santos AND Langdon. He really should have spoken to Santos, or maybe written her a letter or requested a meeting, prior to working a shift together. What I expect Langdon will say when he gets the chance is that Santos was right to call him out, that in the end she did him a huge favor by forcing him to deal with his addiction, and that he does not hold it against her and will never try to punish her for it. I think that's where Langdon is mentally and that he's genuinely doing the work, but Santos has not heard that yet and doesn't trust it. They need to repair via clear communication. Langdon is clearly ready for that, Santos is being avoidant, it needs to happen.

It's also clear from Santos's conversation with Garcia that she blames Langdon for her not integrating well into the hospital, but Garcia thinks she alienated people. And if Langdon has been gone at rehab, it's really not on him at all.

Santos has also been obsessive about her own charting when literally every other doctor has to deal with it too. She's not coming across well this season, except when she's comforting the kids.

It seems really unlikely that Langdon is the reason Santos hasn't integrated well. S1, she was a royal B to her colleagues, straight-up mocking Whitaker and Javadi. Her manner with patients might be okay, but her manner to co-workers is crap. Maybe some doctors blame her for Langdon, but I think she's totally capabale of having managed to alienate everyone on her own.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:two comments on last night's show

I am so wary that the Becca's "BF" is a worker at her home and is taking advantage of her, and she doesn't understand the difference.

Roxie's situation feels a lot like assisted suicide. "We can keep giving you morphine, but you may stop breathing. You want more? OK, but you may stop breathing." I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but that's just how it's coming off to me. It is not legal in Pennsylvania (according to Google, at least). And I agree with the comments about too many staff members seem to be actively involved, given all the crises of the day. Has anyone even attempted to get her admitted to a hospice/palliative care bed? (Maybe so and I forgot.)

While it's possible Becca's boyfriend is a worker at her daycare, I think it's much more likely that Becca and another patient at the daycare, likely with similar IDs, have developed a romance. This is a known issue at these kind of facilities and it's something staff, patients, and patient families have to figure out because of all the health and responsibility implications. These are adults with functioning reproductive systems -- they get sexual urges like anyone does and sometimes they act on them. There's this balance between respecting their autonomy as people and also recognizing the minefield of problems that can arise from this sort of thing. People IDs have relationships though. Some even get married and some even have kids of their own. It's very, very complicated for their caretakers, whether you are talking about a professional facility like Becca is in or the family caregivers like Mel. I think the show is just acknowledging this reality, which many people with an intellectually disabled adult family member need to deal with.

I am hopeful that this opinion is where the show is going. But I am wary the writers are going for "drama" and that we will ultimately learn Becca is in a bad situation. Sorry I was not more clear. I would be happy for Becca (or quite honestly, anyone) to be in a good relationship. I'm fearful that Becca is not a good relationship because the writers want to make all sorts of sad drama/commentary. I hope I am wrong.

No, this show has a pretty clear track record of trying to represent different groups and so I think they are just spot lighting this aspect of having an ID.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who's the biggest ahole tonight? Robby, Santos, or the surgeons?

Robby.

Santos is a childish, insolent, arrogant piece of shit and her lover surgeon girlfriend person or whatever rightly put her in her place. Her seething as Langdon instructed was really something. Obviously, she's a head case and probably has serious mental health issues, as we saw hinted at with the cutting.

The orthopedic surgeon was just being a surgeon. Every surgeon I've ever known has been like that. God complexes. The man has the ability to reattach a limb, so he's somewhat entitled.

Robby just got nasty. It's obvious he's on his last nerve. But he seems to be losing his compassion and empathy for his staff as the day goes on. He generally retains it for his patients (see how he treated Howard), but he really has it in for his colleagues and especially his subordinates in this episode. Al-Hashimi was right to call him out on it.

I did like the Becca-Mel scene, watching Mel process that her sister was getting laid. Even Mel, who's clearly more highly functioning with the autism, sort of had some narrative in her head that people with intellectual disabilities wouldn't boink. Ironic, eh?

I did find it ironic that Dana, who runs a tight ship, would so casually commit insurance fraud on the nicotine patch, implicating Dr. Mohan in the process.

What do we think Mohan's mother wants? In fact, we have a couple of storylines going now about troubled relationships with parents. Javarti being counseled to give her a mother a chance, she might surprise you, really was heartbreaking when she got dressed down, eh? "More talented people upstairs."

Yes. I didn’t like this. Javadi was 100% to question it. Dana broke the law.

Yeah, I actually thought this was very unlike Dana’s character. Why would she jeopardize her license/career over this? She is a leader and I don’t think she would really want to impress upon younger nurses that they should risk their livelihood trying to get drugs for others.

I disagree. Dana is super-practical and does what needs to be done to get through the shift. She seems like she's done this before and I assume that it's probably pretty common to ask the dr.'s for scripts

Agreed. This is not a big deal to me because she's getting a scrip for nicotine gum. This isn't a risky prescription, it's literally just a slightly higher dose than what is available OTC (which is why Dana requested it -- Monica has a serious smoking issue and the OTC stuff isn't going to cut it). Dana is a medical professional and knows the details of Monica's symptoms and history, and is not trying to get her access to a controlled substance or something that will harm her. The exchange is done to address a real medical condition Monica has (nicotine dependence) and no one is lying or cheating the symptom. It's definitely not "insurance fraud."

If they had wanted to be extra cautious, Mohan could have turned to Monica and asked her two questions about her smoking and given her a quick spiel about side effects, risk of dependence, and to keep the gum stored away from kids and pets. That's the standard practice with nicotine gum. But it would really just be a formality.

I get that people are weirded out by the idea of a nurse just telling a doctor "please sign this pre-filled scrip out for me" but Mohan rightly asked what it was and it was and Dana truthfully explained it and was ultimately okay signing it. If it had been for a drug that could actually harm Monica, she probably would not have (nor would Dana have asked).

Yes, but later Dana does admit that the prescription was made out in her name because she has better insurance than Monica. That does make it insurance fraud. Maybe she is morally right, but legally . . . not so much.

This. And I think it is pretty dumb to risk your license over nicotine patches and I don’t think Dana would do it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who's the biggest ahole tonight? Robby, Santos, or the surgeons?

Langdon
He was aggressively sh!tty to Santos last season because she was catching on to his addiction and eventually reported him. She should have been his first apology. He was an arrogant addict and he’s arrogant in recovery, expecting her to accept his authority with no remorse on his part.

He was also on her because she was doing reckless stuff without approval that endangered patients and not following procedure. There was no saint in that dynamic.

And yes, she has to accept his authority regardless of anyone's personal feelings because that how the hierarchy in an ED works.

Santos was right about Langdon's drug use, but that doesn’t make her right about everything.

Yes Santos is pushing unnecessary procedures on patients and Langdon is restraining her. Al-Hashimi was right there and agreed with Langdon. It's not being nice to let Santos push more invasive procedures on patients when it's not medically required and it's appropriate for Langdon to teach her restraint. Otherwise she'll put people through unnecessary pain and recovery.

I also read Santos' pushing for more invasive procedures as a form of hyper vigilance that is common in people who grew up in abusive or neglectful situations. She views Langdon as an unsafe person (fairly -- she barely knows him, their relationship started with him lying and gaslighting her, and she almost certainly fears retribution for her reporting him to Robby) and it's making her brain work too hard to try and keep everyone safe. Herself AND the patient.

I think this situation is on Santos AND Langdon. He really should have spoken to Santos, or maybe written her a letter or requested a meeting, prior to working a shift together. What I expect Langdon will say when he gets the chance is that Santos was right to call him out, that in the end she did him a huge favor by forcing him to deal with his addiction, and that he does not hold it against her and will never try to punish her for it. I think that's where Langdon is mentally and that he's genuinely doing the work, but Santos has not heard that yet and doesn't trust it. They need to repair via clear communication. Langdon is clearly ready for that, Santos is being avoidant, it needs to happen.

It's also clear from Santos's conversation with Garcia that she blames Langdon for her not integrating well into the hospital, but Garcia thinks she alienated people. And if Langdon has been gone at rehab, it's really not on him at all.

Santos has also been obsessive about her own charting when literally every other doctor has to deal with it too. She's not coming across well this season, except when she's comforting the kids.

It seems really unlikely that Langdon is the reason Santos hasn't integrated well. S1, she was a royal B to her colleagues, straight-up mocking Whitaker and Javadi. Her manner with patients might be okay, but her manner to co-workers is crap. Maybe some doctors blame her for Langdon, but I think she's totally capabale of having managed to alienate everyone on her own.

Agreed. But I also have empathy for her because it's clear she's not just a jerk. She does care about people, including both her colleagues and her patients, but she doesn't always know how to express it and she also *chooses* to be abrasive as a way to keep her distance from people, likely because she has major trust issues from past trauma. We know Santos was abused as a child, and we also know she has a history of cutting, and we also know that she is the sort of person who will offer Whitaker a place to stay (for free) or worry Whitaker is being taken advantage of by a patient's wife, or go to bat for underage patients when she suspects they are being mistreated, or seeing a beautiful lullaby to a baby to calm her down.

Like most people, she is a work in progress. I actually feel bad for her right now because I think she needs a friendly face and a shoulder to lean on, and the reason she doesn't have one is yes, partially her fault, but also a common outcome for abuse survivors (hi, I am one, I get it).

I actually think both Langdon or McKay could be that shoulder, as could maybe Whitaker, if Santos was willing to trust them and stop pushing them away. I am hoping by the end of this season, we will see that happen, probably with Langdon for narrative symmetry, because I think Santos deserves to have a friend a feel like a part of her community in her workplace. But she will need to meet them halfway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who's the biggest ahole tonight? Robby, Santos, or the surgeons?

Langdon
He was aggressively sh!tty to Santos last season because she was catching on to his addiction and eventually reported him. She should have been his first apology. He was an arrogant addict and he’s arrogant in recovery, expecting her to accept his authority with no remorse on his part.

He was also on her because she was doing reckless stuff without approval that endangered patients and not following procedure. There was no saint in that dynamic.

And yes, she has to accept his authority regardless of anyone's personal feelings because that how the hierarchy in an ED works.

Santos was right about Langdon's drug use, but that doesn’t make her right about everything.

Yes Santos is pushing unnecessary procedures on patients and Langdon is restraining her. Al-Hashimi was right there and agreed with Langdon. It's not being nice to let Santos push more invasive procedures on patients when it's not medically required and it's appropriate for Langdon to teach her restraint. Otherwise she'll put people through unnecessary pain and recovery.

I also read Santos' pushing for more invasive procedures as a form of hyper vigilance that is common in people who grew up in abusive or neglectful situations. She views Langdon as an unsafe person (fairly -- she barely knows him, their relationship started with him lying and gaslighting her, and she almost certainly fears retribution for her reporting him to Robby) and it's making her brain work too hard to try and keep everyone safe. Herself AND the patient.

I think this situation is on Santos AND Langdon. He really should have spoken to Santos, or maybe written her a letter or requested a meeting, prior to working a shift together. What I expect Langdon will say when he gets the chance is that Santos was right to call him out, that in the end she did him a huge favor by forcing him to deal with his addiction, and that he does not hold it against her and will never try to punish her for it. I think that's where Langdon is mentally and that he's genuinely doing the work, but Santos has not heard that yet and doesn't trust it. They need to repair via clear communication. Langdon is clearly ready for that, Santos is being avoidant, it needs to happen.

It's also clear from Santos's conversation with Garcia that she blames Langdon for her not integrating well into the hospital, but Garcia thinks she alienated people. And if Langdon has been gone at rehab, it's really not on him at all.

Santos has also been obsessive about her own charting when literally every other doctor has to deal with it too. She's not coming across well this season, except when she's comforting the kids.

It seems really unlikely that Langdon is the reason Santos hasn't integrated well. S1, she was a royal B to her colleagues, straight-up mocking Whitaker and Javadi. Her manner with patients might be okay, but her manner to co-workers is crap. Maybe some doctors blame her for Langdon, but I think she's totally capabale of having managed to alienate everyone on her own.

Agreed. But I also have empathy for her because it's clear she's not just a jerk. She does care about people, including both her colleagues and her patients, but she doesn't always know how to express it and she also *chooses* to be abrasive as a way to keep her distance from people, likely because she has major trust issues from past trauma. We know Santos was abused as a child, and we also know she has a history of cutting, and we also know that she is the sort of person who will offer Whitaker a place to stay (for free) or worry Whitaker is being taken advantage of by a patient's wife, or go to bat for underage patients when she suspects they are being mistreated, or seeing a beautiful lullaby to a baby to calm her down.

Like most people, she is a work in progress. I actually feel bad for her right now because I think she needs a friendly face and a shoulder to lean on, and the reason she doesn't have one is yes, partially her fault, but also a common outcome for abuse survivors (hi, I am one, I get it).

I actually think both Langdon or McKay could be that shoulder, as could maybe Whitaker, if Santos was willing to trust them and stop pushing them away. I am hoping by the end of this season, we will see that happen, probably with Langdon for narrative symmetry, because I think Santos deserves to have a friend a feel like a part of her community in her workplace. But she will need to meet them halfway.

I think stopping blaming Langdon for her issues is a crucial part of Santos's growth. It sounds like even Garcia is tired of her talking about him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who's the biggest ahole tonight? Robby, Santos, or the surgeons?

Robby.

Santos is a childish, insolent, arrogant piece of shit and her lover surgeon girlfriend person or whatever rightly put her in her place. Her seething as Langdon instructed was really something. Obviously, she's a head case and probably has serious mental health issues, as we saw hinted at with the cutting.

The orthopedic surgeon was just being a surgeon. Every surgeon I've ever known has been like that. God complexes. The man has the ability to reattach a limb, so he's somewhat entitled.

Robby just got nasty. It's obvious he's on his last nerve. But he seems to be losing his compassion and empathy for his staff as the day goes on. He generally retains it for his patients (see how he treated Howard), but he really has it in for his colleagues and especially his subordinates in this episode. Al-Hashimi was right to call him out on it.

I did like the Becca-Mel scene, watching Mel process that her sister was getting laid. Even Mel, who's clearly more highly functioning with the autism, sort of had some narrative in her head that people with intellectual disabilities wouldn't boink. Ironic, eh?

I did find it ironic that Dana, who runs a tight ship, would so casually commit insurance fraud on the nicotine patch, implicating Dr. Mohan in the process.

What do we think Mohan's mother wants? In fact, we have a couple of storylines going now about troubled relationships with parents. Javarti being counseled to give her a mother a chance, she might surprise you, really was heartbreaking when she got dressed down, eh? "More talented people upstairs."

Yes. I didn’t like this. Javadi was 100% to question it. Dana broke the law.

Yeah, I actually thought this was very unlike Dana’s character. Why would she jeopardize her license/career over this? She is a leader and I don’t think she would really want to impress upon younger nurses that they should risk their livelihood trying to get drugs for others.

I disagree. Dana is super-practical and does what needs to be done to get through the shift. She seems like she's done this before and I assume that it's probably pretty common to ask the dr.'s for scripts

Agreed. This is not a big deal to me because she's getting a scrip for nicotine gum. This isn't a risky prescription, it's literally just a slightly higher dose than what is available OTC (which is why Dana requested it -- Monica has a serious smoking issue and the OTC stuff isn't going to cut it). Dana is a medical professional and knows the details of Monica's symptoms and history, and is not trying to get her access to a controlled substance or something that will harm her. The exchange is done to address a real medical condition Monica has (nicotine dependence) and no one is lying or cheating the symptom. It's definitely not "insurance fraud."

If they had wanted to be extra cautious, Mohan could have turned to Monica and asked her two questions about her smoking and given her a quick spiel about side effects, risk of dependence, and to keep the gum stored away from kids and pets. That's the standard practice with nicotine gum. But it would really just be a formality.

I get that people are weirded out by the idea of a nurse just telling a doctor "please sign this pre-filled scrip out for me" but Mohan rightly asked what it was and it was and Dana truthfully explained it and was ultimately okay signing it. If it had been for a drug that could actually harm Monica, she probably would not have (nor would Dana have asked).

Yes, but later Dana does admit that the prescription was made out in her name because she has better insurance than Monica. That does make it insurance fraud. Maybe she is morally right, but legally . . . not so much.

Oof, I missed that. That is insurance fraud. I still find it morally defensible (Monica has shit insurance because she got laid off by the hospital when they went digital and eliminated her position, and Dana is just trying to keep the ED humming) but yes it's riskier than having Mohan write the scrip to Monica directly and it's not ok to pressure Mohan into doing it either.

I sincerely hope that doesn't block back on Samira, she's really being piled on right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who's the biggest ahole tonight? Robby, Santos, or the surgeons?

Langdon
He was aggressively sh!tty to Santos last season because she was catching on to his addiction and eventually reported him. She should have been his first apology. He was an arrogant addict and he’s arrogant in recovery, expecting her to accept his authority with no remorse on his part.

He was also on her because she was doing reckless stuff without approval that endangered patients and not following procedure. There was no saint in that dynamic.

And yes, she has to accept his authority regardless of anyone's personal feelings because that how the hierarchy in an ED works.

Santos was right about Langdon's drug use, but that doesn’t make her right about everything.

Yes Santos is pushing unnecessary procedures on patients and Langdon is restraining her. Al-Hashimi was right there and agreed with Langdon. It's not being nice to let Santos push more invasive procedures on patients when it's not medically required and it's appropriate for Langdon to teach her restraint. Otherwise she'll put people through unnecessary pain and recovery.

I also read Santos' pushing for more invasive procedures as a form of hyper vigilance that is common in people who grew up in abusive or neglectful situations. She views Langdon as an unsafe person (fairly -- she barely knows him, their relationship started with him lying and gaslighting her, and she almost certainly fears retribution for her reporting him to Robby) and it's making her brain work too hard to try and keep everyone safe. Herself AND the patient.

I think this situation is on Santos AND Langdon. He really should have spoken to Santos, or maybe written her a letter or requested a meeting, prior to working a shift together. What I expect Langdon will say when he gets the chance is that Santos was right to call him out, that in the end she did him a huge favor by forcing him to deal with his addiction, and that he does not hold it against her and will never try to punish her for it. I think that's where Langdon is mentally and that he's genuinely doing the work, but Santos has not heard that yet and doesn't trust it. They need to repair via clear communication. Langdon is clearly ready for that, Santos is being avoidant, it needs to happen.

It's also clear from Santos's conversation with Garcia that she blames Langdon for her not integrating well into the hospital, but Garcia thinks she alienated people. And if Langdon has been gone at rehab, it's really not on him at all.

Santos has also been obsessive about her own charting when literally every other doctor has to deal with it too. She's not coming across well this season, except when she's comforting the kids.

It seems really unlikely that Langdon is the reason Santos hasn't integrated well. S1, she was a royal B to her colleagues, straight-up mocking Whitaker and Javadi. Her manner with patients might be okay, but her manner to co-workers is crap. Maybe some doctors blame her for Langdon, but I think she's totally capabale of having managed to alienate everyone on her own.

Agreed. But I also have empathy for her because it's clear she's not just a jerk. She does care about people, including both her colleagues and her patients, but she doesn't always know how to express it and she also *chooses* to be abrasive as a way to keep her distance from people, likely because she has major trust issues from past trauma. We know Santos was abused as a child, and we also know she has a history of cutting, and we also know that she is the sort of person who will offer Whitaker a place to stay (for free) or worry Whitaker is being taken advantage of by a patient's wife, or go to bat for underage patients when she suspects they are being mistreated, or seeing a beautiful lullaby to a baby to calm her down.

Like most people, she is a work in progress. I actually feel bad for her right now because I think she needs a friendly face and a shoulder to lean on, and the reason she doesn't have one is yes, partially her fault, but also a common outcome for abuse survivors (hi, I am one, I get it).

I actually think both Langdon or McKay could be that shoulder, as could maybe Whitaker, if Santos was willing to trust them and stop pushing them away. I am hoping by the end of this season, we will see that happen, probably with Langdon for narrative symmetry, because I think Santos deserves to have a friend a feel like a part of her community in her workplace. But she will need to meet them halfway.

I think stopping blaming Langdon for her issues is a crucial part of Santos's growth. It sounds like even Garcia is tired of her talking about him.

Ok, but balance here. She shouldn't blame Langdon for ALL her issues, but it's okay for her to be mad at him for (1) stealing drugs from patients, (2) lying to her and gaslighting her about it when she astutely figured out it was happening, and (3) making her first day on this job even more traumatic than it was going to be anyway based on what else happened. Those are valid reasons for Santos to be angry at and resent Langdon, and he DOES owe her an apology and explanation. He's not the whole reason she's struggling at work, but he's also not an innocent victim here.

They need to talk to each other and both take accountability.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who's the biggest ahole tonight? Robby, Santos, or the surgeons?

Langdon
He was aggressively sh!tty to Santos last season because she was catching on to his addiction and eventually reported him. She should have been his first apology. He was an arrogant addict and he’s arrogant in recovery, expecting her to accept his authority with no remorse on his part.

He was also on her because she was doing reckless stuff without approval that endangered patients and not following procedure. There was no saint in that dynamic.

And yes, she has to accept his authority regardless of anyone's personal feelings because that how the hierarchy in an ED works.

Santos was right about Langdon's drug use, but that doesn’t make her right about everything.

Yes Santos is pushing unnecessary procedures on patients and Langdon is restraining her. Al-Hashimi was right there and agreed with Langdon. It's not being nice to let Santos push more invasive procedures on patients when it's not medically required and it's appropriate for Langdon to teach her restraint. Otherwise she'll put people through unnecessary pain and recovery.

I also read Santos' pushing for more invasive procedures as a form of hyper vigilance that is common in people who grew up in abusive or neglectful situations. She views Langdon as an unsafe person (fairly -- she barely knows him, their relationship started with him lying and gaslighting her, and she almost certainly fears retribution for her reporting him to Robby) and it's making her brain work too hard to try and keep everyone safe. Herself AND the patient.

I think this situation is on Santos AND Langdon. He really should have spoken to Santos, or maybe written her a letter or requested a meeting, prior to working a shift together. What I expect Langdon will say when he gets the chance is that Santos was right to call him out, that in the end she did him a huge favor by forcing him to deal with his addiction, and that he does not hold it against her and will never try to punish her for it. I think that's where Langdon is mentally and that he's genuinely doing the work, but Santos has not heard that yet and doesn't trust it. They need to repair via clear communication. Langdon is clearly ready for that, Santos is being avoidant, it needs to happen.

It's also clear from Santos's conversation with Garcia that she blames Langdon for her not integrating well into the hospital, but Garcia thinks she alienated people. And if Langdon has been gone at rehab, it's really not on him at all.

Santos has also been obsessive about her own charting when literally every other doctor has to deal with it too. She's not coming across well this season, except when she's comforting the kids.

It seems really unlikely that Langdon is the reason Santos hasn't integrated well. S1, she was a royal B to her colleagues, straight-up mocking Whitaker and Javadi. Her manner with patients might be okay, but her manner to co-workers is crap. Maybe some doctors blame her for Langdon, but I think she's totally capabale of having managed to alienate everyone on her own.

Agreed. But I also have empathy for her because it's clear she's not just a jerk. She does care about people, including both her colleagues and her patients, but she doesn't always know how to express it and she also *chooses* to be abrasive as a way to keep her distance from people, likely because she has major trust issues from past trauma. We know Santos was abused as a child, and we also know she has a history of cutting, and we also know that she is the sort of person who will offer Whitaker a place to stay (for free) or worry Whitaker is being taken advantage of by a patient's wife, or go to bat for underage patients when she suspects they are being mistreated, or seeing a beautiful lullaby to a baby to calm her down.

Like most people, she is a work in progress. I actually feel bad for her right now because I think she needs a friendly face and a shoulder to lean on, and the reason she doesn't have one is yes, partially her fault, but also a common outcome for abuse survivors (hi, I am one, I get it).

I actually think both Langdon or McKay could be that shoulder, as could maybe Whitaker, if Santos was willing to trust them and stop pushing them away. I am hoping by the end of this season, we will see that happen, probably with Langdon for narrative symmetry, because I think Santos deserves to have a friend a feel like a part of her community in her workplace. But she will need to meet them halfway.

I think stopping blaming Langdon for her issues is a crucial part of Santos's growth. It sounds like even Garcia is tired of her talking about him.

Ok, but balance here. She shouldn't blame Langdon for ALL her issues, but it's okay for her to be mad at him for (1) stealing drugs from patients, (2) lying to her and gaslighting her about it when she astutely figured out it was happening, and (3) making her first day on this job even more traumatic than it was going to be anyway based on what else happened. Those are valid reasons for Santos to be angry at and resent Langdon, and he DOES owe her an apology and explanation. He's not the whole reason she's struggling at work, but he's also not an innocent victim here.

They need to talk to each other and both take accountability.

She has every right to be mad at him. Where she F-ed up is letting that get in the way of doing her job properly. That puts people in danger and is not ok

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who's the biggest ahole tonight? Robby, Santos, or the surgeons?

Langdon
He was aggressively sh!tty to Santos last season because she was catching on to his addiction and eventually reported him. She should have been his first apology. He was an arrogant addict and he’s arrogant in recovery, expecting her to accept his authority with no remorse on his part.

He was also on her because she was doing reckless stuff without approval that endangered patients and not following procedure. There was no saint in that dynamic.

And yes, she has to accept his authority regardless of anyone's personal feelings because that how the hierarchy in an ED works.

Santos was right about Langdon's drug use, but that doesn’t make her right about everything.

Yes Santos is pushing unnecessary procedures on patients and Langdon is restraining her. Al-Hashimi was right there and agreed with Langdon. It's not being nice to let Santos push more invasive procedures on patients when it's not medically required and it's appropriate for Langdon to teach her restraint. Otherwise she'll put people through unnecessary pain and recovery.

I also read Santos' pushing for more invasive procedures as a form of hyper vigilance that is common in people who grew up in abusive or neglectful situations. She views Langdon as an unsafe person (fairly -- she barely knows him, their relationship started with him lying and gaslighting her, and she almost certainly fears retribution for her reporting him to Robby) and it's making her brain work too hard to try and keep everyone safe. Herself AND the patient.

I think this situation is on Santos AND Langdon. He really should have spoken to Santos, or maybe written her a letter or requested a meeting, prior to working a shift together. What I expect Langdon will say when he gets the chance is that Santos was right to call him out, that in the end she did him a huge favor by forcing him to deal with his addiction, and that he does not hold it against her and will never try to punish her for it. I think that's where Langdon is mentally and that he's genuinely doing the work, but Santos has not heard that yet and doesn't trust it. They need to repair via clear communication. Langdon is clearly ready for that, Santos is being avoidant, it needs to happen.

It's also clear from Santos's conversation with Garcia that she blames Langdon for her not integrating well into the hospital, but Garcia thinks she alienated people. And if Langdon has been gone at rehab, it's really not on him at all.

Santos has also been obsessive about her own charting when literally every other doctor has to deal with it too. She's not coming across well this season, except when she's comforting the kids.

It seems really unlikely that Langdon is the reason Santos hasn't integrated well. S1, she was a royal B to her colleagues, straight-up mocking Whitaker and Javadi. Her manner with patients might be okay, but her manner to co-workers is crap. Maybe some doctors blame her for Langdon, but I think she's totally capabale of having managed to alienate everyone on her own.

Agreed. But I also have empathy for her because it's clear she's not just a jerk. She does care about people, including both her colleagues and her patients, but she doesn't always know how to express it and she also *chooses* to be abrasive as a way to keep her distance from people, likely because she has major trust issues from past trauma. We know Santos was abused as a child, and we also know she has a history of cutting, and we also know that she is the sort of person who will offer Whitaker a place to stay (for free) or worry Whitaker is being taken advantage of by a patient's wife, or go to bat for underage patients when she suspects they are being mistreated, or seeing a beautiful lullaby to a baby to calm her down.

Like most people, she is a work in progress. I actually feel bad for her right now because I think she needs a friendly face and a shoulder to lean on, and the reason she doesn't have one is yes, partially her fault, but also a common outcome for abuse survivors (hi, I am one, I get it).

I actually think both Langdon or McKay could be that shoulder, as could maybe Whitaker, if Santos was willing to trust them and stop pushing them away. I am hoping by the end of this season, we will see that happen, probably with Langdon for narrative symmetry, because I think Santos deserves to have a friend a feel like a part of her community in her workplace. But she will need to meet them halfway.

I think stopping blaming Langdon for her issues is a crucial part of Santos's growth. It sounds like even Garcia is tired of her talking about him.

Ok, but balance here. She shouldn't blame Langdon for ALL her issues, but it's okay for her to be mad at him for (1) stealing drugs from patients, (2) lying to her and gaslighting her about it when she astutely figured out it was happening, and (3) making her first day on this job even more traumatic than it was going to be anyway based on what else happened. Those are valid reasons for Santos to be angry at and resent Langdon, and he DOES owe her an apology and explanation. He's not the whole reason she's struggling at work, but he's also not an innocent victim here.

They need to talk to each other and both take accountability.

She has every right to be mad at him. Where she F-ed up is letting that get in the way of doing her job properly. That puts people in danger and is not ok

I don't see this. Yes she was unprofessional in the trauma room with Langdon but Al-Hashimi was there the whole time and backed up Langdon. And Langdon *is* partly responsible for that dynamic. He broke Santos' trust and he has not done what he needs to do to earn it back. He should already have spoken to her before they were on shift together, in order to avoid that specific situation.

Blaming that dynamic entirely on Santos, the person who it turned out was 100% correct that Langdon was stealing meds and was an addict, doesn't sit well with me. Santos isn't handling the situation great, but let's not all forget that the entire situation was created by Langdon in the first place. He has responsibility here.

[Anonymous]

What the bell does Garcia see in Santos and vice versa? They both seem like b@tches!

[Anonymous]

People's memories are awfully short on Langdon.

Also Santos is correct that he should have been fired. Had Robby reported that Langdon was not only stealing pills from patients but also tampered with an Ativan vial and filled it with saline and then resealed it to cover it up? That is serious business -- he would have been fired and lost his license. Likely the hospital would not even be allowed to retain him after that for insurance reasons.

Robby and Santos have problems and both are being PITA but people need to get that Langdon screwed them both and is getting his second chance, whereas both Robby and Santos are struggling right now and everyone is mad at them. Not condoning their behavior but putting it in perspective. Langdon stole drugs from patients, lied about it, yelled at and belittled Santos on her first day at work while gaslighting her about the drugs he stole, then lied to Robby. And they both wound up protecting him and now he has his job back and a fresh start, while Robby is clearly having some kind of mental break down and Santos feels like she doesn't have a friend in the world.

It's not all Langdon's fault. But it's also not NOT Langdon's fault. It's complicated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like Mel’s sister has a urinary tract infection. But they didn’t show her anymore later in the episode.

I think they might have been forshadowing sexual assault.

It's just a mechanism to have us understand Mel better and their relationship. That's what drives this particular story; there doesn't need to be another major story line there and not SA, since they just did that.

I thought it could be foreshadowing a sexual relationship, but not sexual assault.

Aha! I bet you’re right. She’s in a sexual relationship at her daycare place. With another resident!

And gonna skip out on those afternoons with Mel so she can hang with her new love!

I am smugly going to claim my win - I called it. 16:07 on March 9.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who's the biggest ahole tonight? Robby, Santos, or the surgeons?

Robby.

Santos is a childish, insolent, arrogant piece of shit and her lover surgeon girlfriend person or whatever rightly put her in her place. Her seething as Langdon instructed was really something. Obviously, she's a head case and probably has serious mental health issues, as we saw hinted at with the cutting.

The orthopedic surgeon was just being a surgeon. Every surgeon I've ever known has been like that. God complexes. The man has the ability to reattach a limb, so he's somewhat entitled.

Robby just got nasty. It's obvious he's on his last nerve. But he seems to be losing his compassion and empathy for his staff as the day goes on. He generally retains it for his patients (see how he treated Howard), but he really has it in for his colleagues and especially his subordinates in this episode. Al-Hashimi was right to call him out on it.

I did like the Becca-Mel scene, watching Mel process that her sister was getting laid. Even Mel, who's clearly more highly functioning with the autism, sort of had some narrative in her head that people with intellectual disabilities wouldn't boink. Ironic, eh?

I did find it ironic that Dana, who runs a tight ship, would so casually commit insurance fraud on the nicotine patch, implicating Dr. Mohan in the process.

What do we think Mohan's mother wants? In fact, we have a couple of storylines going now about troubled relationships with parents. Javarti being counseled to give her a mother a chance, she might surprise you, really was heartbreaking when she got dressed down, eh? "More talented people upstairs."

I think she wants what most parents who see their children as an extensions of themselves want - more prestige, success, money and respect for their child, which in turns bolsters their own prestige, success, money and respect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who's the biggest ahole tonight? Robby, Santos, or the surgeons?

Robby.

Santos is a childish, insolent, arrogant piece of shit and her lover surgeon girlfriend person or whatever rightly put her in her place. Her seething as Langdon instructed was really something. Obviously, she's a head case and probably has serious mental health issues, as we saw hinted at with the cutting.

The orthopedic surgeon was just being a surgeon. Every surgeon I've ever known has been like that. God complexes. The man has the ability to reattach a limb, so he's somewhat entitled.

Robby just got nasty. It's obvious he's on his last nerve. But he seems to be losing his compassion and empathy for his staff as the day goes on. He generally retains it for his patients (see how he treated Howard), but he really has it in for his colleagues and especially his subordinates in this episode. Al-Hashimi was right to call him out on it.

I did like the Becca-Mel scene, watching Mel process that her sister was getting laid. Even Mel, who's clearly more highly functioning with the autism, sort of had some narrative in her head that people with intellectual disabilities wouldn't boink. Ironic, eh?

I did find it ironic that Dana, who runs a tight ship, would so casually commit insurance fraud on the nicotine patch, implicating Dr. Mohan in the process.

What do we think Mohan's mother wants? In fact, we have a couple of storylines going now about troubled relationships with parents. Javarti being counseled to give her a mother a chance, she might surprise you, really was heartbreaking when she got dressed down, eh? "More talented people upstairs."

I think she wants what most parents who see their children as an extensions of themselves want - more prestige, success, money and respect for their child, which in turns bolsters their own prestige, success, money and respect.

I think it's likely Mohan's mom is having some kind of medical or mental health issue. She has called Mohan like 400x. We have seen Mohan speaking to her at least once, maybe twice, earlier in the shift? And she's still calling and has even called the emergency line in the ED. Despite having just talked to her a few hours ago. Either she's have some kind of mental health issue that is causing her to compulsively call Mohan to continue the argument about Mohan maybe/maybe not moving to New Jersey, or something has gone actually wrong since she last spoke to Mohan and now she's trying to get in touch with her for a real reason that requires Mohan's immediate attention. I'm guessing the former but I think we are supposed to start suspecting the latter because all the calls are getting out of control.

If my mom called me that many times in a day, and especially if she called multiple numbers in my office including one intended only for emergencies, and it turned out she wasn't having some kind of mental or physical event, I would be so livid. that's just unacceptable.