Anonymous wrote:Another thing about Trump showing the Milley document is how ignorant Trump still was about how the military operates even after four years as President. Mark Milley is a by-the-book guy. He wouldn’t write a document arguing that we SHOULD attack Iran because that is not his lane, but he would have a top secret plan that if Iran provoked us this is how we COULD attack Iran. Trump is claiming that the document shows that it was Milley who wanted to attack Iran, not Trump, but only a delusional Trump lackey would buy that.
Also, that is not a Presidential Record and not something that Trump could or would be allowed to declassify.
Anonymous wrote:I really think many of you are missing the obstruction. He had ample opportunity to work with NARA to return everything. He purposely mislead everyone. It never had to end this way had he returned everything.
Joking aside, they aren't missing the obstruction. They are choosing to willfully ignore it. The truth is that the security powers that be are willing to work with you if you honestly screw up and come to them with a mea culpa. Not only was Trump taking the documents not a screw up, but intentional, he then chose to lie, have others lie on his behalf, and hide them.
People like to point at the Reality Winner case. She's not in jail because she accidentally took a document out of the building that got mixed in her personal stuff. She's in jail because she removed it intentionally.
Reality Winner had no ability to declassify documents. Trump did and no, he doesn’t have to ask permission of anyone to do so.
You people have some weird mythology in your heads about "the President can declassify." There's a process for declassifying documents, even for the President. The process is NOT the President waving his hands and gesturing broadly, saying "I declassify this stuff' or simply willing it to be declassified with his mind. And if the process isn't followed, there is no way of knowing what is or isn't declassified and it would be chaos. If the downgrading and declassification process isn't followed or there is no evidence it was followed then it remains classified.
You are incorrect.
Nope. There is a legal process for declassification. Please provide a link that shows a president can think it or will it, and it becomes so.
Per Constitutional lawyers:
A former president has the legal right to access any and all of the documents created during his presidency, classified or otherwise. The second before a President leaves office, by his very actions alone in taking documents he can be said to have declassified them.
“Therefore, the former president cannot be charged under the Espionage Act of 1917 for this reason and more,” said Levin, who served as chief of state to Attorney General Edwin Meese during the Reagan administration.”
In addition, Trumps’ lawyers had been in active negotiations regarding the documents, starting only a year after Trump left office. Like with Obama, this kind of back-and-forth is the norm and can go on for years. And the National Archives is already in possession of the vast majority of documents created during the Trump administration, and the ones at issue are a very relative few, so yes, he has cooperated. Under Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution, the president is “the executive branch and he’s the commander in chief.” So Trump is not guilty of violating the Espionage Act, which was invoked in the affidavit to obtain a search warrant. In addition, there are no criminal penalties associated with the Presidential Records Act; that has been cited by the FBI.
Now let’s talk Espionage Act and Clinton: Clinton had classified documents on an unsecured email server at her home in Chappaqua, New York/. Clinton wasn’t president, so she didn’t even have the protections presidents do.
“That violates the Espionage Act,” Levin said of failing to properly secure the documents, some highly classified, from foreign adversaries”.
Mark Levin is the source of this take? You may as well quote Stephen Miller or Steve Bannon.
Can you please tell me what disqualifies Levin in your mind? Not educated enough? Not enough experience?
He isn't de facto disqualified, but he is arguing this case through a lens of supporting Trump rather than through a lens of what the law says, and what the case law supports.
He repeatedly referred to Obama voters as "islamo-nazis" and claimed Obama and the Supreme Court were conspiring to bring Stalinism to the United States. He routinely screams at any caller to his show who proves him wrong, states facts contrary to his narrative calling them "pukes" or "morons" or "drones," shouting them down and then hanging up on them rather than hearing and debating facts or different, legitimate viewpoints.
One could go on and on and on with all of the absolutely wrong and completely unhinged things that Mark Levin has said (or more likely screamed) into his spittle-covered radio microphone over the years.
Not credible. Whatever respectable prior career he had is completely diminished by everything he's done on the radio over the last 20+ years.
That's your opinion. Levin is a constitutional lawyer and scholar.
Any you quote.....Salon?
"Constitutional lawyer and scholar" - HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
NO he isn't. He's a radio host and has been for 20 years. He hasn't published any academic pieces on constitutional law in legal journals or law reviews. He hasn't argued a constitutional case in his life. Yes, he has a law degree, served as an attorney in private sector and as a second-tier bureaucrat in the Reagan administration but has zero qualifications as "constitutional lawyer and scholar" other than whatever self-professed grandiose delusions he may have. But I guess he has you baffled into believing his schtick because he wrote some books and included a few bookmarked quotes from Hobbes or de Tocqueville or whoever.
Mark Reed Levin (born September 21, 1957) is a Constitutional lawyer, president of the prestigious Landmark Legal Foundation in Washington D.C., a top-rated nationally syndicated conservative talk radio host and a best selling non-fiction author. Also, the former Chief of Staff for Attorney General Edwin Meese during the Reagan Administration.
So... complete crap. Thanks for the confirmation.
Levin on Trump: "While he's been president there hasn't even been a hint of scandal. Not a hint!"
So far, every scandal has been debunked. If a scandal means a sharp mouth, I’ll give you that.
Every scandal has been debunked???
I know you still believe the dossier is real, the pee tape is real, and that Trump colluded with Russia to win the election in 2016.
The 2020 Senate Intel report on the 2016 election came to the conclusion that Russia interfered with the election and that Trump's campaign welcomed the help. That report was chaired by Marco Rubio.
Anonymous wrote:I really think many of you are missing the obstruction. He had ample opportunity to work with NARA to return everything. He purposely mislead everyone. It never had to end this way had he returned everything.
Joking aside, they aren't missing the obstruction. They are choosing to willfully ignore it. The truth is that the security powers that be are willing to work with you if you honestly screw up and come to them with a mea culpa. Not only was Trump taking the documents not a screw up, but intentional, he then chose to lie, have others lie on his behalf, and hide them.
People like to point at the Reality Winner case. She's not in jail because she accidentally took a document out of the building that got mixed in her personal stuff. She's in jail because she removed it intentionally.
Reality Winner had no ability to declassify documents. Trump did and no, he doesn’t have to ask permission of anyone to do so.
You people have some weird mythology in your heads about "the President can declassify." There's a process for declassifying documents, even for the President. The process is NOT the President waving his hands and gesturing broadly, saying "I declassify this stuff' or simply willing it to be declassified with his mind. And if the process isn't followed, there is no way of knowing what is or isn't declassified and it would be chaos. If the downgrading and declassification process isn't followed or there is no evidence it was followed then it remains classified.
You are incorrect.
Nope. There is a legal process for declassification. Please provide a link that shows a president can think it or will it, and it becomes so.
Per Constitutional lawyers:
A former president has the legal right to access any and all of the documents created during his presidency, classified or otherwise. The second before a President leaves office, by his very actions alone in taking documents he can be said to have declassified them.
“Therefore, the former president cannot be charged under the Espionage Act of 1917 for this reason and more,” said Levin, who served as chief of state to Attorney General Edwin Meese during the Reagan administration.”
In addition, Trumps’ lawyers had been in active negotiations regarding the documents, starting only a year after Trump left office. Like with Obama, this kind of back-and-forth is the norm and can go on for years. And the National Archives is already in possession of the vast majority of documents created during the Trump administration, and the ones at issue are a very relative few, so yes, he has cooperated. Under Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution, the president is “the executive branch and he’s the commander in chief.” So Trump is not guilty of violating the Espionage Act, which was invoked in the affidavit to obtain a search warrant. In addition, there are no criminal penalties associated with the Presidential Records Act; that has been cited by the FBI.
Now let’s talk Espionage Act and Clinton: Clinton had classified documents on an unsecured email server at her home in Chappaqua, New York/. Clinton wasn’t president, so she didn’t even have the protections presidents do.
“That violates the Espionage Act,” Levin said of failing to properly secure the documents, some highly classified, from foreign adversaries”.
Mark Levin is the source of this take? You may as well quote Stephen Miller or Steve Bannon.
Can you please tell me what disqualifies Levin in your mind? Not educated enough? Not enough experience?
He isn't de facto disqualified, but he is arguing this case through a lens of supporting Trump rather than through a lens of what the law says, and what the case law supports.
He repeatedly referred to Obama voters as "islamo-nazis" and claimed Obama and the Supreme Court were conspiring to bring Stalinism to the United States. He routinely screams at any caller to his show who proves him wrong, states facts contrary to his narrative calling them "pukes" or "morons" or "drones," shouting them down and then hanging up on them rather than hearing and debating facts or different, legitimate viewpoints.
One could go on and on and on with all of the absolutely wrong and completely unhinged things that Mark Levin has said (or more likely screamed) into his spittle-covered radio microphone over the years.
Not credible. Whatever respectable prior career he had is completely diminished by everything he's done on the radio over the last 20+ years.
That's your opinion. Levin is a constitutional lawyer and scholar.
Any you quote.....Salon?
"Constitutional lawyer and scholar" - HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
NO he isn't. He's a radio host and has been for 20 years. He hasn't published any academic pieces on constitutional law in legal journals or law reviews. He hasn't argued a constitutional case in his life. Yes, he has a law degree, served as an attorney in private sector and as a second-tier bureaucrat in the Reagan administration but has zero qualifications as "constitutional lawyer and scholar" other than whatever self-professed grandiose delusions he may have. But I guess he has you baffled into believing his schtick because he wrote some books and included a few bookmarked quotes from Hobbes or de Tocqueville or whoever.
Mark Reed Levin (born September 21, 1957) is a Constitutional lawyer, president of the prestigious Landmark Legal Foundation in Washington D.C., a top-rated nationally syndicated conservative talk radio host and a best selling non-fiction author. Also, the former Chief of Staff for Attorney General Edwin Meese during the Reagan Administration.
So... complete crap. Thanks for the confirmation.
Levin on Trump: "While he's been president there hasn't even been a hint of scandal. Not a hint!"
Levin has been getting high on his own supply for a while now with his nightly high pitched shrieking.
Anonymous wrote:When you can't refute the message, attack the reporter
Smith doesn't need anyone to flip, there is plenty of documentary evidence and other eye witness evidence. What a stupid tweet.
+1 The case is neither weak or circumstantial even without Nauta, and flipping underlings is standard practice in every prosecutor’s office everywhere. Y’all are such snowflakes.
Anonymous wrote:I really think many of you are missing the obstruction. He had ample opportunity to work with NARA to return everything. He purposely mislead everyone. It never had to end this way had he returned everything.
Joking aside, they aren't missing the obstruction. They are choosing to willfully ignore it. The truth is that the security powers that be are willing to work with you if you honestly screw up and come to them with a mea culpa. Not only was Trump taking the documents not a screw up, but intentional, he then chose to lie, have others lie on his behalf, and hide them.
People like to point at the Reality Winner case. She's not in jail because she accidentally took a document out of the building that got mixed in her personal stuff. She's in jail because she removed it intentionally.
Reality Winner had no ability to declassify documents. Trump did and no, he doesn’t have to ask permission of anyone to do so.
You people have some weird mythology in your heads about "the President can declassify." There's a process for declassifying documents, even for the President. The process is NOT the President waving his hands and gesturing broadly, saying "I declassify this stuff' or simply willing it to be declassified with his mind. And if the process isn't followed, there is no way of knowing what is or isn't declassified and it would be chaos. If the downgrading and declassification process isn't followed or there is no evidence it was followed then it remains classified.
You are incorrect.
Nope. There is a legal process for declassification. Please provide a link that shows a president can think it or will it, and it becomes so.
Per Constitutional lawyers:
A former president has the legal right to access any and all of the documents created during his presidency, classified or otherwise. The second before a President leaves office, by his very actions alone in taking documents he can be said to have declassified them.
“Therefore, the former president cannot be charged under the Espionage Act of 1917 for this reason and more,” said Levin, who served as chief of state to Attorney General Edwin Meese during the Reagan administration.”
In addition, Trumps’ lawyers had been in active negotiations regarding the documents, starting only a year after Trump left office. Like with Obama, this kind of back-and-forth is the norm and can go on for years. And the National Archives is already in possession of the vast majority of documents created during the Trump administration, and the ones at issue are a very relative few, so yes, he has cooperated. Under Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution, the president is “the executive branch and he’s the commander in chief.” So Trump is not guilty of violating the Espionage Act, which was invoked in the affidavit to obtain a search warrant. In addition, there are no criminal penalties associated with the Presidential Records Act; that has been cited by the FBI.
Now let’s talk Espionage Act and Clinton: Clinton had classified documents on an unsecured email server at her home in Chappaqua, New York/. Clinton wasn’t president, so she didn’t even have the protections presidents do.
“That violates the Espionage Act,” Levin said of failing to properly secure the documents, some highly classified, from foreign adversaries”.
Mark Levin is the source of this take? You may as well quote Stephen Miller or Steve Bannon.
Can you please tell me what disqualifies Levin in your mind? Not educated enough? Not enough experience?
He isn't de facto disqualified, but he is arguing this case through a lens of supporting Trump rather than through a lens of what the law says, and what the case law supports.
He repeatedly referred to Obama voters as "islamo-nazis" and claimed Obama and the Supreme Court were conspiring to bring Stalinism to the United States. He routinely screams at any caller to his show who proves him wrong, states facts contrary to his narrative calling them "pukes" or "morons" or "drones," shouting them down and then hanging up on them rather than hearing and debating facts or different, legitimate viewpoints.
One could go on and on and on with all of the absolutely wrong and completely unhinged things that Mark Levin has said (or more likely screamed) into his spittle-covered radio microphone over the years.
Not credible. Whatever respectable prior career he had is completely diminished by everything he's done on the radio over the last 20+ years.
That's your opinion. Levin is a constitutional lawyer and scholar.
Any you quote.....Salon?
"Constitutional lawyer and scholar" - HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
NO he isn't. He's a radio host and has been for 20 years. He hasn't published any academic pieces on constitutional law in legal journals or law reviews. He hasn't argued a constitutional case in his life. Yes, he has a law degree, served as an attorney in private sector and as a second-tier bureaucrat in the Reagan administration but has zero qualifications as "constitutional lawyer and scholar" other than whatever self-professed grandiose delusions he may have. But I guess he has you baffled into believing his schtick because he wrote some books and included a few bookmarked quotes from Hobbes or de Tocqueville or whoever.
Mark Reed Levin (born September 21, 1957) is a Constitutional lawyer, president of the prestigious Landmark Legal Foundation in Washington D.C., a top-rated nationally syndicated conservative talk radio host and a best selling non-fiction author. Also, the former Chief of Staff for Attorney General Edwin Meese during the Reagan Administration.
So... complete crap. Thanks for the confirmation.
Levin on Trump: "While he's been president there hasn't even been a hint of scandal. Not a hint!"
So far, every scandal has been debunked. If a scandal means a sharp mouth, I’ll give you that.
Every scandal has been debunked???
I know you still believe the dossier is real, the pee tape is real, and that Trump colluded with Russia to win the election in 2016.
The 2020 Senate Intel report on the 2016 election came to the conclusion that Russia interfered with the election and that Trump's campaign welcomed the help. That report was chaired by Marco Rubio.
Facts matter.
Facts apparently don't matter to Trump traitors.
They haven’t mattered to them for years. Did some of you think that these terrible people have legitimately held, if misguided, beliefs? They have none. They just enjoy being sitheads. Someone upthread posted the Sartre quote about how antisemitic people, even back then, were effectively sitposting with their comments. Same as now. They know we take words seriously, that words have meaning and there is a truth. They go out of their way to mess with us because they do not share any such grounding.
That’s how you get people, people who were probably previously normal, to be foaming at the mouth stupid and defending Trump. It’s how you get loco nonsense like “Trump didn’t have a scandal during his years.” It’s how you get these weird sad excuses posting about something that no one is talking about, and wrong as hell. These people are gone. Lost to themselves and to reality until something snaps them out of their cult think.
In the meantime, Donald Trump is having to surrender to the long arm of the law tomorrow to answer for espionage charges.
Anonymous wrote:I really think many of you are missing the obstruction. He had ample opportunity to work with NARA to return everything. He purposely mislead everyone. It never had to end this way had he returned everything.
Joking aside, they aren't missing the obstruction. They are choosing to willfully ignore it. The truth is that the security powers that be are willing to work with you if you honestly screw up and come to them with a mea culpa. Not only was Trump taking the documents not a screw up, but intentional, he then chose to lie, have others lie on his behalf, and hide them.
People like to point at the Reality Winner case. She's not in jail because she accidentally took a document out of the building that got mixed in her personal stuff. She's in jail because she removed it intentionally.
Reality Winner had no ability to declassify documents. Trump did and no, he doesn’t have to ask permission of anyone to do so.
You people have some weird mythology in your heads about "the President can declassify." There's a process for declassifying documents, even for the President. The process is NOT the President waving his hands and gesturing broadly, saying "I declassify this stuff' or simply willing it to be declassified with his mind. And if the process isn't followed, there is no way of knowing what is or isn't declassified and it would be chaos. If the downgrading and declassification process isn't followed or there is no evidence it was followed then it remains classified.
You are incorrect.
Nope. There is a legal process for declassification. Please provide a link that shows a president can think it or will it, and it becomes so.
Per Constitutional lawyers:
A former president has the legal right to access any and all of the documents created during his presidency, classified or otherwise. The second before a President leaves office, by his very actions alone in taking documents he can be said to have declassified them.
“Therefore, the former president cannot be charged under the Espionage Act of 1917 for this reason and more,” said Levin, who served as chief of state to Attorney General Edwin Meese during the Reagan administration.”
In addition, Trumps’ lawyers had been in active negotiations regarding the documents, starting only a year after Trump left office. Like with Obama, this kind of back-and-forth is the norm and can go on for years. And the National Archives is already in possession of the vast majority of documents created during the Trump administration, and the ones at issue are a very relative few, so yes, he has cooperated. Under Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution, the president is “the executive branch and he’s the commander in chief.” So Trump is not guilty of violating the Espionage Act, which was invoked in the affidavit to obtain a search warrant. In addition, there are no criminal penalties associated with the Presidential Records Act; that has been cited by the FBI.
Now let’s talk Espionage Act and Clinton: Clinton had classified documents on an unsecured email server at her home in Chappaqua, New York/. Clinton wasn’t president, so she didn’t even have the protections presidents do.
“That violates the Espionage Act,” Levin said of failing to properly secure the documents, some highly classified, from foreign adversaries”.
Mark Levin is the source of this take? You may as well quote Stephen Miller or Steve Bannon.
Can you please tell me what disqualifies Levin in your mind? Not educated enough? Not enough experience?
He isn't de facto disqualified, but he is arguing this case through a lens of supporting Trump rather than through a lens of what the law says, and what the case law supports.
He repeatedly referred to Obama voters as "islamo-nazis" and claimed Obama and the Supreme Court were conspiring to bring Stalinism to the United States. He routinely screams at any caller to his show who proves him wrong, states facts contrary to his narrative calling them "pukes" or "morons" or "drones," shouting them down and then hanging up on them rather than hearing and debating facts or different, legitimate viewpoints.
One could go on and on and on with all of the absolutely wrong and completely unhinged things that Mark Levin has said (or more likely screamed) into his spittle-covered radio microphone over the years.
Not credible. Whatever respectable prior career he had is completely diminished by everything he's done on the radio over the last 20+ years.
That's your opinion. Levin is a constitutional lawyer and scholar.
Any you quote.....Salon?
"Constitutional lawyer and scholar" - HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
NO he isn't. He's a radio host and has been for 20 years. He hasn't published any academic pieces on constitutional law in legal journals or law reviews. He hasn't argued a constitutional case in his life. Yes, he has a law degree, served as an attorney in private sector and as a second-tier bureaucrat in the Reagan administration but has zero qualifications as "constitutional lawyer and scholar" other than whatever self-professed grandiose delusions he may have. But I guess he has you baffled into believing his schtick because he wrote some books and included a few bookmarked quotes from Hobbes or de Tocqueville or whoever.
Mark Reed Levin (born September 21, 1957) is a Constitutional lawyer, president of the prestigious Landmark Legal Foundation in Washington D.C., a top-rated nationally syndicated conservative talk radio host and a best selling non-fiction author. Also, the former Chief of Staff for Attorney General Edwin Meese during the Reagan Administration.
So... complete crap. Thanks for the confirmation.
Levin on Trump: "While he's been president there hasn't even been a hint of scandal. Not a hint!"
So far, every scandal has been debunked. If a scandal means a sharp mouth, I’ll give you that.
Every scandal has been debunked???
I know you still believe the dossier is real, the pee tape is real, and that Trump colluded with Russia to win the election in 2016.
The 2020 Senate Intel report on the 2016 election came to the conclusion that Russia interfered with the election and that Trump's campaign welcomed the help. That report was chaired by Marco Rubio.
Facts matter.
Facts apparently don't matter to Trump traitors.
They haven’t mattered to them for years. Did some of you think that these terrible people have legitimately held, if misguided, beliefs? They have none. They just enjoy being sitheads. Someone upthread posted the Sartre quote about how antisemitic people, even back then, were effectively sitposting with their comments. Same as now. They know we take words seriously, that words have meaning and there is a truth. They go out of their way to mess with us because they do not share any such grounding.
That’s how you get people, people who were probably previously normal, to be foaming at the mouth stupid and defending Trump. It’s how you get loco nonsense like “Trump didn’t have a scandal during his years.” It’s how you get these weird sad excuses posting about something that no one is talking about, and wrong as hell. These people are gone. Lost to themselves and to reality until something snaps them out of their cult think.
In the meantime, Donald Trump is having to surrender to the long arm of the law tomorrow to answer for espionage charges.
As George Orwell said, sooner or later a false belief will bump up against hard reality.
Look, he and his crooked family are continuing to benefit from foreign money. Given TFG’s style, it’s almost a sure thing he was using the documents, and who knows how many others we never recovered, as leverage in business negotiations. Can we just stop ducking around and put him away? I understand protecting sources and methods but I think the American people deserve to know more than we do about how bad this guy is.
Anonymous wrote:Wondering how many within the never trump world will be in Miami tomorrow to stir things up?
WHY ARE THEY SHOUTING
ALSO WHAT DO YOU MEAN, WITHIN THE NEVER TRUMP WORLD. LIKE YOU THINK PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE TRUMP WILL BE THERE RIOTING? HOW DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE?[/quote
Because if there's a riot over Trump's arrest and it goes wrong (which it will) they will be blaming "AnTIfA bLm FbI LeFTiST FaLSe FLAAAAG!!!!1!" like they do every single time their side stupidly does something that makes the MAGAs look bad.
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