Mother of 2 from VERY prominent Richmond family arrested by FBI for child p@rn, exploitation, etc

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Anonymous wrote:As a friend of the family, I must say that Eleanor’s parents and brother have long known about her mental instabilities and they have made strides to limit the damage Eleanor could cause towards others. For the last several years, they have been very vocal in assisting the exH gain custody of the kids and have tried to get her counseling and medical supervision.

After many, many years of hardship, Eleanor’s support group was limited in what they could do to stop her and incidents like the public sex affair proved that no one had the power to prohibit her actions. Unfortunately, I do not think anyone knew the extent of how far Eleanor gone or had any idea of CSA - thus the family was unable to garner additional support. Eleanor Hoppe is the epitome of how an adult with serious mental issues can inflict untold pain on our society and that her type of situation can only be properly dealt with after it is too late.

It sounds like you are saying that she was refusing treatment or evaluated by professionals and found not to be a risk to herself and others. If that is the case, then the medical professionals should have to answer some questions. Or maybe the mental health clinicians sought to have her committed but the law didn't allow it because there was no proof that she would harm others? These details are important ... sometimes a horrible case leads to a positive change in the law.

Was there really no outward sign that she was at risk of harming others?? I believe what you are saying but it is just hard to believe that the person who was caught to relatively easily was successful t concealing everything in the past.

Her father Eppa, PERSONALLY got her 2019 CONVICTION reversed on appeal. It was an opportunity for compelled treatment and evaluation and perhaps being put on a sex offender registry and having some degree of ongoing monitoring.

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Anonymous wrote:As a friend of the family, I must say that Eleanor’s parents and brother have long known about her mental instabilities and they have made strides to limit the damage Eleanor could cause towards others. For the last several years, they have been very vocal in assisting the exH gain custody of the kids and have tried to get her counseling and medical supervision.

After many, many years of hardship, Eleanor’s support group was limited in what they could do to stop her and incidents like the public sex affair proved that no one had the power to prohibit her actions. Unfortunately, I do not think anyone knew the extent of how far Eleanor gone or had any idea of CSA - thus the family was unable to garner additional support. Eleanor Hoppe is the epitome of how an adult with serious mental issues can inflict untold pain on our society and that her type of situation can only be properly dealt with after it is too late.

It sounds like you are saying that she was refusing treatment or evaluated by professionals and found not to be a risk to herself and others. If that is the case, then the medical professionals should have to answer some questions. Or maybe the mental health clinicians sought to have her committed but the law didn't allow it because there was no proof that she would harm others? These details are important ... sometimes a horrible case leads to a positive change in the law.

Was there really no outward sign that she was at risk of harming others?? I believe what you are saying but it is just hard to believe that the person who was caught to relatively easily was successful t concealing everything in the past.

Her father Eppa, PERSONALLY got her 2019 CONVICTION reversed on appeal. It was an opportunity for compelled treatment and evaluation and perhaps being put on a sex offender registry and having some degree of ongoing monitoring.

Never thought about how her conviction could have put her on the registry - that might have tipped off others to stay away from her.

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Anonymous wrote:How do so many people on this board know this woman?

That is not disturbing to anyone?

Given the number of UC HHI and trust fund babies on this site, how is this a surprise?? (Tangential thought:maybe UC perps like this woman are the reason so many UC posters insist they are “only” UMC or MC. There is FALSE sense that being middle class makes you some how safer to be around than LC or UC people.)

Well, statistically speaking, violent crime is disproportionately committed by LC people. Individual MC and UC may be dangerous, sure, but you're much more likely to be violently assaulted by someone at a swap meet as opposed to a country club.

But the stuff at the country clubs are more insidious and there are more open secrets people shrug off. Like the NC family.

It is almost certain that adults at any club were victimized and that children of families at any club are or have been victimized. I think people underestimate how prevalent csa is. It may not involve fetish websites and props, but it is very common, in the family, by another adult in authority, older kids, etc.

Oh stop... either cite your sources or stop making things up.

You do know that country clubs exist that aren't strictly "WASPY" ones, right?

And from context you know the non-WASPY ones (your term) aren’t the ones applicable here.

PP is saying "could never be MY country club" and is intentionally missing the entire point. It could be your country club. Awareness is prevention.

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Anonymous wrote:As a friend of the family, I must say that Eleanor’s parents and brother have long known about her mental instabilities and they have made strides to limit the damage Eleanor could cause towards others. For the last several years, they have been very vocal in assisting the exH gain custody of the kids and have tried to get her counseling and medical supervision.

After many, many years of hardship, Eleanor’s support group was limited in what they could do to stop her and incidents like the public sex affair proved that no one had the power to prohibit her actions. Unfortunately, I do not think anyone knew the extent of how far Eleanor gone or had any idea of CSA - thus the family was unable to garner additional support. Eleanor Hoppe is the epitome of how an adult with serious mental issues can inflict untold pain on our society and that her type of situation can only be properly dealt with after it is too late.

It sounds like you are saying that she was refusing treatment or evaluated by professionals and found not to be a risk to herself and others. If that is the case, then the medical professionals should have to answer some questions. Or maybe the mental health clinicians sought to have her committed but the law didn't allow it because there was no proof that she would harm others? These details are important ... sometimes a horrible case leads to a positive change in the law.

Was there really no outward sign that she was at risk of harming others?? I believe what you are saying but it is just hard to believe that the person who was caught to relatively easily was successful t concealing everything in the past.

Her father Eppa, PERSONALLY got her 2019 CONVICTION reversed on appeal. It was an opportunity for compelled treatment and evaluation and perhaps being put on a sex offender registry and having some degree of ongoing monitoring.

Never thought about how her conviction could have put her on the registry - that might have tipped off others to stay away from her.

Exactly. And it could have led to compelled evaluation and treatment. There are few opportunities to intervene re: mentally ill adults, this was a powerful one. Her family is directly responsible for that appeal and the PR attempts on here to cast THEM as heroic victims is disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:As a friend of the family, I must say that Eleanor’s parents and brother have long known about her mental instabilities and they have made strides to limit the damage Eleanor could cause towards others. For the last several years, they have been very vocal in assisting the exH gain custody of the kids and have tried to get her counseling and medical supervision.

After many, many years of hardship, Eleanor’s support group was limited in what they could do to stop her and incidents like the public sex affair proved that no one had the power to prohibit her actions. Unfortunately, I do not think anyone knew the extent of how far Eleanor gone or had any idea of CSA - thus the family was unable to garner additional support. Eleanor Hoppe is the epitome of how an adult with serious mental issues can inflict untold pain on our society and that her type of situation can only be properly dealt with after it is too late.

It sounds like you are saying that she was refusing treatment or evaluated by professionals and found not to be a risk to herself and others. If that is the case, then the medical professionals should have to answer some questions. Or maybe the mental health clinicians sought to have her committed but the law didn't allow it because there was no proof that she would harm others? These details are important ... sometimes a horrible case leads to a positive change in the law.

Was there really no outward sign that she was at risk of harming others?? I believe what you are saying but it is just hard to believe that the person who was caught to relatively easily was successful t concealing everything in the past.

Her father Eppa, PERSONALLY got her 2019 CONVICTION reversed on appeal. It was an opportunity for compelled treatment and evaluation and perhaps being put on a sex offender registry and having some degree of ongoing monitoring.

Never thought about how her conviction could have put her on the registry - that might have tipped off others to stay away from her.

Exactly. And it could have led to compelled evaluation and treatment. There are few opportunities to intervene re: mentally ill adults, this was a powerful one. Her family is directly responsible for that appeal and the PR attempts on here to cast THEM as heroic victims is disgusting.

Can we talk about how online porn/chat sites also play a role here? without those forums she might not have gone that far. they bear some responsibility.

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Anonymous wrote:As a friend of the family, I must say that Eleanor’s parents and brother have long known about her mental instabilities and they have made strides to limit the damage Eleanor could cause towards others. For the last several years, they have been very vocal in assisting the exH gain custody of the kids and have tried to get her counseling and medical supervision.

After many, many years of hardship, Eleanor’s support group was limited in what they could do to stop her and incidents like the public sex affair proved that no one had the power to prohibit her actions. Unfortunately, I do not think anyone knew the extent of how far Eleanor gone or had any idea of CSA - thus the family was unable to garner additional support. Eleanor Hoppe is the epitome of how an adult with serious mental issues can inflict untold pain on our society and that her type of situation can only be properly dealt with after it is too late.

It sounds like you are saying that she was refusing treatment or evaluated by professionals and found not to be a risk to herself and others. If that is the case, then the medical professionals should have to answer some questions. Or maybe the mental health clinicians sought to have her committed but the law didn't allow it because there was no proof that she would harm others? These details are important ... sometimes a horrible case leads to a positive change in the law.

Was there really no outward sign that she was at risk of harming others?? I believe what you are saying but it is just hard to believe that the person who was caught to relatively easily was successful t concealing everything in the past.

Her father Eppa, PERSONALLY got her 2019 CONVICTION reversed on appeal. It was an opportunity for compelled treatment and evaluation and perhaps being put on a sex offender registry and having some degree of ongoing monitoring.

Never thought about how her conviction could have put her on the registry - that might have tipped off others to stay away from her.

Exactly. And it could have led to compelled evaluation and treatment. There are few opportunities to intervene re: mentally ill adults, this was a powerful one. Her family is directly responsible for that appeal and the PR attempts on here to cast THEM as heroic victims is disgusting.

Can we talk about how online porn/chat sites also play a role here? without those forums she might not have gone that far. they bear some responsibility.

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Anonymous wrote:As a friend of the family, I must say that Eleanor’s parents and brother have long known about her mental instabilities and they have made strides to limit the damage Eleanor could cause towards others. For the last several years, they have been very vocal in assisting the exH gain custody of the kids and have tried to get her counseling and medical supervision.

After many, many years of hardship, Eleanor’s support group was limited in what they could do to stop her and incidents like the public sex affair proved that no one had the power to prohibit her actions. Unfortunately, I do not think anyone knew the extent of how far Eleanor gone or had any idea of CSA - thus the family was unable to garner additional support. Eleanor Hoppe is the epitome of how an adult with serious mental issues can inflict untold pain on our society and that her type of situation can only be properly dealt with after it is too late.

It sounds like you are saying that she was refusing treatment or evaluated by professionals and found not to be a risk to herself and others. If that is the case, then the medical professionals should have to answer some questions. Or maybe the mental health clinicians sought to have her committed but the law didn't allow it because there was no proof that she would harm others? These details are important ... sometimes a horrible case leads to a positive change in the law.

Was there really no outward sign that she was at risk of harming others?? I believe what you are saying but it is just hard to believe that the person who was caught to relatively easily was successful t concealing everything in the past.

Her father Eppa, PERSONALLY got her 2019 CONVICTION reversed on appeal. It was an opportunity for compelled treatment and evaluation and perhaps being put on a sex offender registry and having some degree of ongoing monitoring.

Never thought about how her conviction could have put her on the registry - that might have tipped off others to stay away from her.

Exactly. And it could have led to compelled evaluation and treatment. There are few opportunities to intervene re: mentally ill adults, this was a powerful one. Her family is directly responsible for that appeal and the PR attempts on here to cast THEM as heroic victims is disgusting.

Can we talk about how online porn/chat sites also play a role here? without those forums she might not have gone that far. they bear some responsibility.

They definitely do, porn and sex addiction are very real.

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Anonymous wrote:As a friend of the family, I must say that Eleanor’s parents and brother have long known about her mental instabilities and they have made strides to limit the damage Eleanor could cause towards others. For the last several years, they have been very vocal in assisting the exH gain custody of the kids and have tried to get her counseling and medical supervision.

After many, many years of hardship, Eleanor’s support group was limited in what they could do to stop her and incidents like the public sex affair proved that no one had the power to prohibit her actions. Unfortunately, I do not think anyone knew the extent of how far Eleanor gone or had any idea of CSA - thus the family was unable to garner additional support. Eleanor Hoppe is the epitome of how an adult with serious mental issues can inflict untold pain on our society and that her type of situation can only be properly dealt with after it is too late.

It sounds like you are saying that she was refusing treatment or evaluated by professionals and found not to be a risk to herself and others. If that is the case, then the medical professionals should have to answer some questions. Or maybe the mental health clinicians sought to have her committed but the law didn't allow it because there was no proof that she would harm others? These details are important ... sometimes a horrible case leads to a positive change in the law.

Was there really no outward sign that she was at risk of harming others?? I believe what you are saying but it is just hard to believe that the person who was caught to relatively easily was successful t concealing everything in the past.

Her father Eppa, PERSONALLY got her 2019 CONVICTION reversed on appeal. It was an opportunity for compelled treatment and evaluation and perhaps being put on a sex offender registry and having some degree of ongoing monitoring.

Never thought about how her conviction could have put her on the registry - that might have tipped off others to stay away from her.

Exactly. And it could have led to compelled evaluation and treatment. There are few opportunities to intervene re: mentally ill adults, this was a powerful one. Her family is directly responsible for that appeal and the PR attempts on here to cast THEM as heroic victims is disgusting.

Can we talk about how online porn/chat sites also play a role here? without those forums she might not have gone that far. they bear some responsibility.

She was on the dark web. I wouldn’t even know how to access that stuff (and I don’t want to know). It’s wasn’t like she was just perusing a legit adult porn site and came across this… she went looking. It is very illegal, very bad stuff. I imagine she had to work to find it. That’s all on her.

Of course the person who took the videos and participated in them is to blame, but it’s not like they have a moral compass. Hope the feds can find them too.

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Anonymous wrote:As a friend of the family, I must say that Eleanor’s parents and brother have long known about her mental instabilities and they have made strides to limit the damage Eleanor could cause towards others. For the last several years, they have been very vocal in assisting the exH gain custody of the kids and have tried to get her counseling and medical supervision.

After many, many years of hardship, Eleanor’s support group was limited in what they could do to stop her and incidents like the public sex affair proved that no one had the power to prohibit her actions. Unfortunately, I do not think anyone knew the extent of how far Eleanor gone or had any idea of CSA - thus the family was unable to garner additional support. Eleanor Hoppe is the epitome of how an adult with serious mental issues can inflict untold pain on our society and that her type of situation can only be properly dealt with after it is too late.

It sounds like you are saying that she was refusing treatment or evaluated by professionals and found not to be a risk to herself and others. If that is the case, then the medical professionals should have to answer some questions. Or maybe the mental health clinicians sought to have her committed but the law didn't allow it because there was no proof that she would harm others? These details are important ... sometimes a horrible case leads to a positive change in the law.

Was there really no outward sign that she was at risk of harming others?? I believe what you are saying but it is just hard to believe that the person who was caught to relatively easily was successful t concealing everything in the past.

Her father Eppa, PERSONALLY got her 2019 CONVICTION reversed on appeal. It was an opportunity for compelled treatment and evaluation and perhaps being put on a sex offender registry and having some degree of ongoing monitoring.

Never thought about how her conviction could have put her on the registry - that might have tipped off others to stay away from her.

Exactly. And it could have led to compelled evaluation and treatment. There are few opportunities to intervene re: mentally ill adults, this was a powerful one. Her family is directly responsible for that appeal and the PR attempts on here to cast THEM as heroic victims is disgusting.

Can we talk about how online porn/chat sites also play a role here? without those forums she might not have gone that far. they bear some responsibility.

She was on the dark web. I wouldn’t even know how to access that stuff (and I don’t want to know). It’s wasn’t like she was just perusing a legit adult porn site and came across this… she went looking. It is very illegal, very bad stuff. I imagine she had to work to find it. That’s all on her.

Of course the person who took the videos and participated in them is to blame, but it’s not like they have a moral compass. Hope the feds can find them too.

No, she was on sites that are easily accessible and billed as “sex positive.”

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Anonymous wrote:As a friend of the family, I must say that Eleanor’s parents and brother have long known about her mental instabilities and they have made strides to limit the damage Eleanor could cause towards others. For the last several years, they have been very vocal in assisting the exH gain custody of the kids and have tried to get her counseling and medical supervision.

After many, many years of hardship, Eleanor’s support group was limited in what they could do to stop her and incidents like the public sex affair proved that no one had the power to prohibit her actions. Unfortunately, I do not think anyone knew the extent of how far Eleanor gone or had any idea of CSA - thus the family was unable to garner additional support. Eleanor Hoppe is the epitome of how an adult with serious mental issues can inflict untold pain on our society and that her type of situation can only be properly dealt with after it is too late.

It sounds like you are saying that she was refusing treatment or evaluated by professionals and found not to be a risk to herself and others. If that is the case, then the medical professionals should have to answer some questions. Or maybe the mental health clinicians sought to have her committed but the law didn't allow it because there was no proof that she would harm others? These details are important ... sometimes a horrible case leads to a positive change in the law.

Was there really no outward sign that she was at risk of harming others?? I believe what you are saying but it is just hard to believe that the person who was caught to relatively easily was successful t concealing everything in the past.

Her father Eppa, PERSONALLY got her 2019 CONVICTION reversed on appeal. It was an opportunity for compelled treatment and evaluation and perhaps being put on a sex offender registry and having some degree of ongoing monitoring.

Never thought about how her conviction could have put her on the registry - that might have tipped off others to stay away from her.

Exactly. And it could have led to compelled evaluation and treatment. There are few opportunities to intervene re: mentally ill adults, this was a powerful one. Her family is directly responsible for that appeal and the PR attempts on here to cast THEM as heroic victims is disgusting.

Can we talk about how online porn/chat sites also play a role here? without those forums she might not have gone that far. they bear some responsibility.

TIL pedophiles didn't exist until the invention of the Internet.

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Anonymous wrote:As a friend of the family, I must say that Eleanor’s parents and brother have long known about her mental instabilities and they have made strides to limit the damage Eleanor could cause towards others. For the last several years, they have been very vocal in assisting the exH gain custody of the kids and have tried to get her counseling and medical supervision.

After many, many years of hardship, Eleanor’s support group was limited in what they could do to stop her and incidents like the public sex affair proved that no one had the power to prohibit her actions. Unfortunately, I do not think anyone knew the extent of how far Eleanor gone or had any idea of CSA - thus the family was unable to garner additional support. Eleanor Hoppe is the epitome of how an adult with serious mental issues can inflict untold pain on our society and that her type of situation can only be properly dealt with after it is too late.

It sounds like you are saying that she was refusing treatment or evaluated by professionals and found not to be a risk to herself and others. If that is the case, then the medical professionals should have to answer some questions. Or maybe the mental health clinicians sought to have her committed but the law didn't allow it because there was no proof that she would harm others? These details are important ... sometimes a horrible case leads to a positive change in the law.

Was there really no outward sign that she was at risk of harming others?? I believe what you are saying but it is just hard to believe that the person who was caught to relatively easily was successful t concealing everything in the past.

Her father Eppa, PERSONALLY got her 2019 CONVICTION reversed on appeal. It was an opportunity for compelled treatment and evaluation and perhaps being put on a sex offender registry and having some degree of ongoing monitoring.

Never thought about how her conviction could have put her on the registry - that might have tipped off others to stay away from her.

Exactly. And it could have led to compelled evaluation and treatment. There are few opportunities to intervene re: mentally ill adults, this was a powerful one. Her family is directly responsible for that appeal and the PR attempts on here to cast THEM as heroic victims is disgusting.

Can we talk about how online porn/chat sites also play a role here? without those forums she might not have gone that far. they bear some responsibility.

TIL pedophiles didn't exist until the invention of the Internet.

No, but the internet certainly enhanced their ability to mutually reinforce their illness and exchange CSA materials, thus creating a market for it. And online porn can absolutely have a role in creating and maintaining obsessions.

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Anonymous wrote:As a friend of the family, I must say that Eleanor’s parents and brother have long known about her mental instabilities and they have made strides to limit the damage Eleanor could cause towards others. For the last several years, they have been very vocal in assisting the exH gain custody of the kids and have tried to get her counseling and medical supervision.

After many, many years of hardship, Eleanor’s support group was limited in what they could do to stop her and incidents like the public sex affair proved that no one had the power to prohibit her actions. Unfortunately, I do not think anyone knew the extent of how far Eleanor gone or had any idea of CSA - thus the family was unable to garner additional support. Eleanor Hoppe is the epitome of how an adult with serious mental issues can inflict untold pain on our society and that her type of situation can only be properly dealt with after it is too late.

It sounds like you are saying that she was refusing treatment or evaluated by professionals and found not to be a risk to herself and others. If that is the case, then the medical professionals should have to answer some questions. Or maybe the mental health clinicians sought to have her committed but the law didn't allow it because there was no proof that she would harm others? These details are important ... sometimes a horrible case leads to a positive change in the law.

Was there really no outward sign that she was at risk of harming others?? I believe what you are saying but it is just hard to believe that the person who was caught to relatively easily was successful t concealing everything in the past.

Her father Eppa, PERSONALLY got her 2019 CONVICTION reversed on appeal. It was an opportunity for compelled treatment and evaluation and perhaps being put on a sex offender registry and having some degree of ongoing monitoring.

Never thought about how her conviction could have put her on the registry - that might have tipped off others to stay away from her.

Exactly. And it could have led to compelled evaluation and treatment. There are few opportunities to intervene re: mentally ill adults, this was a powerful one. Her family is directly responsible for that appeal and the PR attempts on here to cast THEM as heroic victims is disgusting.

Can we talk about how online porn/chat sites also play a role here? without those forums she might not have gone that far. they bear some responsibility.

TIL pedophiles didn't exist until the invention of the Internet.

No, but the internet certainly enhanced their ability to mutually reinforce their illness and exchange CSA materials, thus creating a market for it. And online porn can absolutely have a role in creating and maintaining obsessions.

+ 1 million It's ruined many lives, relationships, and families.

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Anonymous wrote:As a friend of the family, I must say that Eleanor’s parents and brother have long known about her mental instabilities and they have made strides to limit the damage Eleanor could cause towards others. For the last several years, they have been very vocal in assisting the exH gain custody of the kids and have tried to get her counseling and medical supervision.

After many, many years of hardship, Eleanor’s support group was limited in what they could do to stop her and incidents like the public sex affair proved that no one had the power to prohibit her actions. Unfortunately, I do not think anyone knew the extent of how far Eleanor gone or had any idea of CSA - thus the family was unable to garner additional support. Eleanor Hoppe is the epitome of how an adult with serious mental issues can inflict untold pain on our society and that her type of situation can only be properly dealt with after it is too late.

It sounds like you are saying that she was refusing treatment or evaluated by professionals and found not to be a risk to herself and others. If that is the case, then the medical professionals should have to answer some questions. Or maybe the mental health clinicians sought to have her committed but the law didn't allow it because there was no proof that she would harm others? These details are important ... sometimes a horrible case leads to a positive change in the law.

Was there really no outward sign that she was at risk of harming others?? I believe what you are saying but it is just hard to believe that the person who was caught to relatively easily was successful t concealing everything in the past.

Her father Eppa, PERSONALLY got her 2019 CONVICTION reversed on appeal. It was an opportunity for compelled treatment and evaluation and perhaps being put on a sex offender registry and having some degree of ongoing monitoring.

Never thought about how her conviction could have put her on the registry - that might have tipped off others to stay away from her.

Exactly. And it could have led to compelled evaluation and treatment. There are few opportunities to intervene re: mentally ill adults, this was a powerful one. Her family is directly responsible for that appeal and the PR attempts on here to cast THEM as heroic victims is disgusting.

Can we talk about how online porn/chat sites also play a role here? without those forums she might not have gone that far. they bear some responsibility.

She was on the dark web. I wouldn’t even know how to access that stuff (and I don’t want to know). It’s wasn’t like she was just perusing a legit adult porn site and came across this… she went looking. It is very illegal, very bad stuff. I imagine she had to work to find it. That’s all on her.

Of course the person who took the videos and participated in them is to blame, but it’s not like they have a moral compass. Hope the feds can find them too.

No, she was on sites that are easily accessible and billed as “sex positive.”

Someone on THIS very thread was pushing the same BS script.

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I’m the PP who naively assumed she was on the dark web mining hard to access materials. I stand corrected. Wow.

And I agree about the “sex positive” landscape. There needs to be hard lines, and they seem to be crossed more and more often.

[Anonymous]

Sorry Jeff, see several posts are gone, some of which mentioned a certain website by name. Issue noted!