FCPS Boundary Review Updates

[Anonymous]

Same issue at Thoreau. It’s a three-way split feeder and they aren’t doing anything about it. Guess the consultants just want to make a quick buck by going after some schools and not tackling anything that would actually require some thought.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Same issue at Thoreau. It’s a three-way split feeder and they aren’t doing anything about it. Guess the consultants just want to make a quick buck by going after some schools and not tackling anything that would actually require some thought.

I don't know anything about Thoreau. I do live in the Carson area. I do not see a solution for Carson. It feeds to South Lakes, Oakton, and Westfield. Some people would say it feeds into Chantilly, as well, because of the AAP center there (which does have a lot of Chantilly kids.)

Franklin feeds to Chantilly and Oakton. Maybe a handful to Westfield.

Franklin cannot take all the Oakton kids from Carson--so Oakton kids must remain at Carson.
I doubt if Hughes can take all the South Lakes kids from Carson.
Westfield kids live the closest to Carson, so there is no other option there.

So, I do not see how this can be resolved. One help would be to have a center at Franklin, too. There are plenty of kids to fill one there.

[Anonymous]

Agree - the best way to make Carson less of a feeder is to have an AAP center at Franklin.

[Anonymous]

Send Franklin kids to Rocky Run and move Oakton kids from Carson to Franklin. Then Carson only splits to Westfield and South Lakes.

Move Oakton kids at Thoreau to Jackson and reassign part of Jackson to Poe. Reassign Marshall kids at Thoreau to Madison. Then Thoreau only feeds Madison.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FIX RACHEL CARSON SPLIT FEEDER NOW

Did they create that split feeder after you bought in the area?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Send Franklin kids to Rocky Run and move Oakton kids from Carson to Franklin. Then Carson only splits to Westfield and South Lakes.

Move Oakton kids at Thoreau to Jackson and reassign part of Jackson to Poe. Reassign Marshall kids at Thoreau to Madison. Then Thoreau only feeds Madison.

You must not be familiar with the area of Franklin. Chantilly kids live near Franklin. Some are walkers. Look at a map.
I'm thinking that there are more Chantilly kids at Franklin than Oakton kids (or there would be if you moved an AAP center to Franklin.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Same issue at Thoreau. It’s a three-way split feeder and they aren’t doing anything about it. Guess the consultants just want to make a quick buck by going after some schools and not tackling anything that would actually require some thought.

I don't know anything about Thoreau. I do live in the Carson area. I do not see a solution for Carson. It feeds to South Lakes, Oakton, and Westfield. Some people would say it feeds into Chantilly, as well, because of the AAP center there (which does have a lot of Chantilly kids.)

Franklin feeds to Chantilly and Oakton. Maybe a handful to Westfield.

Franklin cannot take all the Oakton kids from Carson--so Oakton kids must remain at Carson.
I doubt if Hughes can take all the South Lakes kids from Carson.
Westfield kids live the closest to Carson, so there is no other option there.

So, I do not see how this can be resolved. One help would be to have a center at Franklin, too. There are plenty of kids to fill one there.

1. Franklin boundaries dip below 50. Everyone south of 50 to Rocky Run or Stone (based on Chantilly/Westfield assignments.)
2. Stone to Carson for AAP. Franklin to Rocky Run for AAP.
3. Crossfield to Franklin (they’d have to return Franklin to its 976 capacity since it was recently reduced.)
4. Thoreau/Marshall students to Thoreau/Madison
5. All Madison zoned AAP to Kilmer (if they can’t just do AAP centers at all middle schools)
6. Oakton assigned to Thoreau to Jackson for AAP

Now you have:
Carson - Westfield/South Lakes
Franklin - Chantilly/Oakton
Rocky Run - Chantilly/Centreville (AAP only)/Oakton (AAP only)
Thoreau - Oakton/Madison
Kilmer - Marshall/Madison (AAP only)
Jackson - Falls Church/Oakton (AAP only)

If they put AAP in all middle schools they could get Oakton out of every freaking middle school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Send Franklin kids to Rocky Run and move Oakton kids from Carson to Franklin. Then Carson only splits to Westfield and South Lakes.

Move Oakton kids at Thoreau to Jackson and reassign part of Jackson to Poe. Reassign Marshall kids at Thoreau to Madison. Then Thoreau only feeds Madison.

You must not be familiar with the area of Franklin. Chantilly kids live near Franklin. Some are walkers. Look at a map.
I'm thinking that there are more Chantilly kids at Franklin than Oakton kids (or there would be if you moved an AAP center to Franklin.)

See 20:45 (different poster, same idea).

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Anonymous wrote:Every once in awhile I travel on Prosperity Rd and the last time I was there they had yard signs about keeping the whole area in Woodson and not splitting it up. Looks like they stay in Woodson. How did they manage to avoid changes or was it not that likely to begin with ?

It probably wasn't that likely to begin with, but there have long been rumors about FCPS moving at least part of the Mantua ES district (which includes the areas off Prosperity) to Falls Church HS, and they are expanding Falls Church. Also, Mantua is an AAP center and the other schools that send kids to that AAP center are all in the Falls Church pyramid. The parents got nervous and started mobilizing.

But there was nothing about that area that FCPS's consultants treated as a trigger for a boundary change:

* Mantua doesn't have any attendance islands, nor is any part of Mantua an attendance island for Frost of Woodson.

* Mantua sits within its attendance zone.

* Mantua isn't a split feeder (at least when only considering those living within its base boundaries).

* Woodson is at 104% but below the 105% threshold that Thru treated as warranting boundary change proposals.

In addition, Thru's latest proposals involve Woodson and Fairfax swapping some other neighborhoods (areas at Fairfax Villa that currently feed to Woodson and areas at Willow Springs that currently feed to Fairfax) that would bring Woodson down to 100% capacity, while separately proposing to move some McLean neighborhoods (areas at Timber Lane) to Falls Church, which would increase the capacity utilization at FCHS.

But Dr. Reid has been calling the latest Thru proposals, which contain a bunch of other quirks, "drafty drafts" and emphasizing there could be changes in the next round of proposals. It's a shame the Thru work to date has been so incredibly shoddy and that they are so flippant about keeping people on edge for months on end.

One could argue they fit into the criteria of overcrowding through. Mantua is very above capacity but parents will state they are fine we modules. Those east of prosperity were sweating they would be moved to Camelot which is under capacity and feed to FCHS.

Oh. And we can’t forget a school board bestie somehow made her way as a 3rd BRAC member when majority of pyramids had 2 people..

By the criteria that Thru applied there was no basis to move kids out of Mantua, Frost, or Woodson. There are some Frost/Woodson moves in response to addressing the attendance island at Fairfax, but they don't affect Mantua.

A cynic would say that the things that Thru focused on were "reverse engineered" to avoid boundary changes at schools like Mantua or Langley. Personally, I'm glad that they took modular capacity into account in determining whether they should propose boundary changes, which kept Mantua out of it. Had they not done so, there would be more proposed changes, and schools that for whatever reason have gotten modulars rather than permanent additions would be getting dinged harder. You may have a different opinion, of course.

Yes, a lot of the equity moves were dampened. Had this been a Harris administration, the results could have looked very different. They’ve certainly pulled back a lot to stick to their new promises of attendance islands, split feeders and capacity with modular/trailer considerations.

+1 I think there was probably limited support amongst the major stakeholders at FCPS for equity moves to begin with - maybe a slim majority in support, with others opposed, or expressing concerns about transportation or attendance logistics if kids were being bussed further away. Then the presidential election happened and enough people got spooked that they backed off entirely.

Don’t claim victory 13.1 miles into a marathon. People should not relax until the final vote has been taken. This school board has shown time and time again that they don’t feel beholden to their constituents and our opposition to the boundary review/changes.

They’re slippery like a pole at the strip club that McDaniel allegedly brought colleagues to.

I guess if you're at Langley or West Springfield and they haven't proposed to move you to Herndon or Lewis maybe you feel like what they are doing now is just fine, but there are a lot of other unhappy people and they may yet pull others back into their machinations.

Yes, there’s still a lot of areas that are now being moved because of this rezoning was in motion and the consulting contract/fees were paid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FIX RACHEL CARSON SPLIT FEEDER NOW

How would you fix it? Which schools should it feed?

Np. Move Crossfield ES from Carson to Franklin.

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Anonymous wrote:Same issue at Thoreau. It’s a three-way split feeder and they aren’t doing anything about it. Guess the consultants just want to make a quick buck by going after some schools and not tackling anything that would actually require some thought.

I don't know anything about Thoreau. I do live in the Carson area. I do not see a solution for Carson. It feeds to South Lakes, Oakton, and Westfield. Some people would say it feeds into Chantilly, as well, because of the AAP center there (which does have a lot of Chantilly kids.)

Franklin feeds to Chantilly and Oakton. Maybe a handful to Westfield.

Franklin cannot take all the Oakton kids from Carson--so Oakton kids must remain at Carson.
I doubt if Hughes can take all the South Lakes kids from Carson.
Westfield kids live the closest to Carson, so there is no other option there.

So, I do not see how this can be resolved. One help would be to have a center at Franklin, too. There are plenty of kids to fill one there.

I don't get this argument. Franklin is under capacity and the only Oakton kids at Carson are the ones from Crossfield. If you leave the Crossfield AAP kids at Carson, that probably leaves you with 60 kids that would go to Franklin. That would be fine given that Franklin is at 80% capacity right now.

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Anonymous wrote:FIX RACHEL CARSON SPLIT FEEDER NOW

Did they create that split feeder after you bought in the area?

A lot of people buy homes before they even have children and don't do the research they need to do to learn about split feeders. They hear only the schools and that they are good schools. Who even thinks about split feeders before they have children? They just want to know their kids will be at good schools!

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Anonymous wrote:Same issue at Thoreau. It’s a three-way split feeder and they aren’t doing anything about it. Guess the consultants just want to make a quick buck by going after some schools and not tackling anything that would actually require some thought.

I don't know anything about Thoreau. I do live in the Carson area. I do not see a solution for Carson. It feeds to South Lakes, Oakton, and Westfield. Some people would say it feeds into Chantilly, as well, because of the AAP center there (which does have a lot of Chantilly kids.)

Franklin feeds to Chantilly and Oakton. Maybe a handful to Westfield.

Franklin cannot take all the Oakton kids from Carson--so Oakton kids must remain at Carson.
I doubt if Hughes can take all the South Lakes kids from Carson.
Westfield kids live the closest to Carson, so there is no other option there.

So, I do not see how this can be resolved. One help would be to have a center at Franklin, too. There are plenty of kids to fill one there.

1. Franklin boundaries dip below 50. Everyone south of 50 to Rocky Run or Stone (based on Chantilly/Westfield assignments.)
2. Stone to Carson for AAP. Franklin to Rocky Run for AAP.
3. Crossfield to Franklin (they’d have to return Franklin to its 976 capacity since it was recently reduced.)
4. Thoreau/Marshall students to Thoreau/Madison
5. All Madison zoned AAP to Kilmer (if they can’t just do AAP centers at all middle schools)
6. Oakton assigned to Thoreau to Jackson for AAP

Now you have:
Carson - Westfield/South Lakes
Franklin - Chantilly/Oakton
Rocky Run - Chantilly/Centreville (AAP only)/Oakton (AAP only)
Thoreau - Oakton/Madison
Kilmer - Marshall/Madison (AAP only)
Jackson - Falls Church/Oakton (AAP only)

If they put AAP in all middle schools they could get Oakton out of every freaking middle school.

Rocky Run sends kids to Chantilly, Centreville, and Westfield at the moment, now you want to add Oakton too and create a four way split?

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Anonymous wrote:Same issue at Thoreau. It’s a three-way split feeder and they aren’t doing anything about it. Guess the consultants just want to make a quick buck by going after some schools and not tackling anything that would actually require some thought.

I don't know anything about Thoreau. I do live in the Carson area. I do not see a solution for Carson. It feeds to South Lakes, Oakton, and Westfield. Some people would say it feeds into Chantilly, as well, because of the AAP center there (which does have a lot of Chantilly kids.)

Franklin feeds to Chantilly and Oakton. Maybe a handful to Westfield.

Franklin cannot take all the Oakton kids from Carson--so Oakton kids must remain at Carson.
I doubt if Hughes can take all the South Lakes kids from Carson.
Westfield kids live the closest to Carson, so there is no other option there.

So, I do not see how this can be resolved. One help would be to have a center at Franklin, too. There are plenty of kids to fill one there.

I don't get this argument. Franklin is under capacity and the only Oakton kids at Carson are the ones from Crossfield. If you leave the Crossfield AAP kids at Carson, that probably leaves you with 60 kids that would go to Franklin. That would be fine given that Franklin is at 80% capacity right now.

The AAP kids from Waples Mill also go to Carson. Getting all those Crossfield and Waples AAP kids back would go a long way towards making the AAP program at Franklin comparable to the one currently at Carson. Maybe then they'd be able to offer more of the courses and extra curriculars that Carson has.

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Anonymous wrote:Same issue at Thoreau. It’s a three-way split feeder and they aren’t doing anything about it. Guess the consultants just want to make a quick buck by going after some schools and not tackling anything that would actually require some thought.

I don't know anything about Thoreau. I do live in the Carson area. I do not see a solution for Carson. It feeds to South Lakes, Oakton, and Westfield. Some people would say it feeds into Chantilly, as well, because of the AAP center there (which does have a lot of Chantilly kids.)

Franklin feeds to Chantilly and Oakton. Maybe a handful to Westfield.

Franklin cannot take all the Oakton kids from Carson--so Oakton kids must remain at Carson.
I doubt if Hughes can take all the South Lakes kids from Carson.
Westfield kids live the closest to Carson, so there is no other option there.

So, I do not see how this can be resolved. One help would be to have a center at Franklin, too. There are plenty of kids to fill one there.

1. Franklin boundaries dip below 50. Everyone south of 50 to Rocky Run or Stone (based on Chantilly/Westfield assignments.)
2. Stone to Carson for AAP. Franklin to Rocky Run for AAP.
3. Crossfield to Franklin (they’d have to return Franklin to its 976 capacity since it was recently reduced.)
4. Thoreau/Marshall students to Thoreau/Madison
5. All Madison zoned AAP to Kilmer (if they can’t just do AAP centers at all middle schools)
6. Oakton assigned to Thoreau to Jackson for AAP

Now you have:
Carson - Westfield/South Lakes
Franklin - Chantilly/Oakton
Rocky Run - Chantilly/Centreville (AAP only)/Oakton (AAP only)
Thoreau - Oakton/Madison
Kilmer - Marshall/Madison (AAP only)
Jackson - Falls Church/Oakton (AAP only)

If they put AAP in all middle schools they could get Oakton out of every freaking middle school.

Rocky Run sends kids to Chantilly, Centreville, and Westfield at the moment, now you want to add Oakton too and create a four way split?

No. Westfield would go entirely to Stone and Carson. AAP kids from Stone would go to Carson instead of Rocky Run.

Unfortunately you can’t get rid of the three way split unless you make more AAP center middle schools. That would be mostly okay for the eastern part of the county, but they’d have to nuke the Franklin/Carson/Stone/Rocky Run boundaries to achieve this, since hundreds of kids are moving between these schools.