FCPS Boundary Review Updates

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Anonymous wrote:Same issue at Thoreau. It’s a three-way split feeder and they aren’t doing anything about it. Guess the consultants just want to make a quick buck by going after some schools and not tackling anything that would actually require some thought.

I don't know anything about Thoreau. I do live in the Carson area. I do not see a solution for Carson. It feeds to South Lakes, Oakton, and Westfield. Some people would say it feeds into Chantilly, as well, because of the AAP center there (which does have a lot of Chantilly kids.)

Franklin feeds to Chantilly and Oakton. Maybe a handful to Westfield.

Franklin cannot take all the Oakton kids from Carson--so Oakton kids must remain at Carson.
I doubt if Hughes can take all the South Lakes kids from Carson.
Westfield kids live the closest to Carson, so there is no other option there.

So, I do not see how this can be resolved. One help would be to have a center at Franklin, too. There are plenty of kids to fill one there.

1. Franklin boundaries dip below 50. Everyone south of 50 to Rocky Run or Stone (based on Chantilly/Westfield assignments.)
2. Stone to Carson for AAP. Franklin to Rocky Run for AAP.
3. Crossfield to Franklin (they’d have to return Franklin to its 976 capacity since it was recently reduced.)
4. Thoreau/Marshall students to Thoreau/Madison
5. All Madison zoned AAP to Kilmer (if they can’t just do AAP centers at all middle schools)
6. Oakton assigned to Thoreau to Jackson for AAP

Now you have:
Carson - Westfield/South Lakes
Franklin - Chantilly/Oakton
Rocky Run - Chantilly/Centreville (AAP only)/Oakton (AAP only)
Thoreau - Oakton/Madison
Kilmer - Marshall/Madison (AAP only)
Jackson - Falls Church/Oakton (AAP only)

If they put AAP in all middle schools they could get Oakton out of every freaking middle school.

Future Oakton parent. The middle school situation is rough for a lot of Oakton parents. There are no middle schools in Oakton's district so everyone is going to a middle school that's slightly outside meaning many students have a long commute time (our bus comes at 6:30). The only existing MS you could rezone the full HS for without someone having a terrible commute is Katherine Johnson but all the kids wouldn't fit there even if you were allowed to displace the Fairfax City students. So even that solution would result in a significant split (and then the journey to Fairfax High where those kids go is unreasonable). The ideal solution would be to build a MS in the Oakton district but the central location is in the middle of single family homes in thick wooded areas or the Difficult Run park which they aren't allowed to touch, even if you could get people on board with clearing a section. Even not centrally located, there isn't any land.

The only solutions that I've seen proposed are to move the HS for students at the eastern end of the district from Oakton to either Madison or Fairfax. But like everyone else, we want to stay where we are. A long commute for two years isn't ideal but I'd rather have that then be rezoned for a different high school.

[Anonymous]

Yeah - not a big problem, and no need to fix it.. The Carson split is big enough that kids stay with their friends group for the most part.

[Anonymous]

Next to no one wants boundary adjustments. Reid and Frisch really stepped into it with this nonsense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Same issue at Thoreau. It’s a three-way split feeder and they aren’t doing anything about it. Guess the consultants just want to make a quick buck by going after some schools and not tackling anything that would actually require some thought.

I don't know anything about Thoreau. I do live in the Carson area. I do not see a solution for Carson. It feeds to South Lakes, Oakton, and Westfield. Some people would say it feeds into Chantilly, as well, because of the AAP center there (which does have a lot of Chantilly kids.)

Franklin feeds to Chantilly and Oakton. Maybe a handful to Westfield.

Franklin cannot take all the Oakton kids from Carson--so Oakton kids must remain at Carson.
I doubt if Hughes can take all the South Lakes kids from Carson.
Westfield kids live the closest to Carson, so there is no other option there.

So, I do not see how this can be resolved. One help would be to have a center at Franklin, too. There are plenty of kids to fill one there.

I don't get this argument. Franklin is under capacity and the only Oakton kids at Carson are the ones from Crossfield. If you leave the Crossfield AAP kids at Carson, that probably leaves you with 60 kids that would go to Franklin. That would be fine given that Franklin is at 80% capacity right now.

The AAP kids from Waples Mill also go to Carson. Getting all those Crossfield and Waples AAP kids back would go a long way towards making the AAP program at Franklin comparable to the one currently at Carson. Maybe then they'd be able to offer more of the courses and extra curriculars that Carson has.

AAP kids from Navy who attend Oakton are also at Carson. I suspect that you end up with a decent contingent of Oakton kids at Carson when you look at the percentages.

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Anonymous wrote:Same issue at Thoreau. It’s a three-way split feeder and they aren’t doing anything about it. Guess the consultants just want to make a quick buck by going after some schools and not tackling anything that would actually require some thought.

I don't know anything about Thoreau. I do live in the Carson area. I do not see a solution for Carson. It feeds to South Lakes, Oakton, and Westfield. Some people would say it feeds into Chantilly, as well, because of the AAP center there (which does have a lot of Chantilly kids.)

Franklin feeds to Chantilly and Oakton. Maybe a handful to Westfield.

Franklin cannot take all the Oakton kids from Carson--so Oakton kids must remain at Carson.
I doubt if Hughes can take all the South Lakes kids from Carson.
Westfield kids live the closest to Carson, so there is no other option there.

So, I do not see how this can be resolved. One help would be to have a center at Franklin, too. There are plenty of kids to fill one there.

I don't get this argument. Franklin is under capacity and the only Oakton kids at Carson are the ones from Crossfield. If you leave the Crossfield AAP kids at Carson, that probably leaves you with 60 kids that would go to Franklin. That would be fine given that Franklin is at 80% capacity right now.

The AAP kids from Waples Mill also go to Carson. Getting all those Crossfield and Waples AAP kids back would go a long way towards making the AAP program at Franklin comparable to the one currently at Carson. Maybe then they'd be able to offer more of the courses and extra curriculars that Carson has.

AAP kids from Navy who attend Oakton are also at Carson. I suspect that you end up with a decent contingent of Oakton kids at Carson when you look at the percentages.

Not sure that you will have enough room at Franklin if you put all Oakton kids along with AAP there. Remember, Oak Hill and Lees Corner also currently send AAP to Carson--and there are quite a sizeable amount of them there.

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Anonymous wrote:Same issue at Thoreau. It’s a three-way split feeder and they aren’t doing anything about it. Guess the consultants just want to make a quick buck by going after some schools and not tackling anything that would actually require some thought.

I don't know anything about Thoreau. I do live in the Carson area. I do not see a solution for Carson. It feeds to South Lakes, Oakton, and Westfield. Some people would say it feeds into Chantilly, as well, because of the AAP center there (which does have a lot of Chantilly kids.)

Franklin feeds to Chantilly and Oakton. Maybe a handful to Westfield.

Franklin cannot take all the Oakton kids from Carson--so Oakton kids must remain at Carson.
I doubt if Hughes can take all the South Lakes kids from Carson.
Westfield kids live the closest to Carson, so there is no other option there.

So, I do not see how this can be resolved. One help would be to have a center at Franklin, too. There are plenty of kids to fill one there.

I don't get this argument. Franklin is under capacity and the only Oakton kids at Carson are the ones from Crossfield. If you leave the Crossfield AAP kids at Carson, that probably leaves you with 60 kids that would go to Franklin. That would be fine given that Franklin is at 80% capacity right now.

The AAP kids from Waples Mill also go to Carson. Getting all those Crossfield and Waples AAP kids back would go a long way towards making the AAP program at Franklin comparable to the one currently at Carson. Maybe then they'd be able to offer more of the courses and extra curriculars that Carson has.

AAP kids from Navy who attend Oakton are also at Carson. I suspect that you end up with a decent contingent of Oakton kids at Carson when you look at the percentages.

Not sure that you will have enough room at Franklin if you put all Oakton kids along with AAP there. Remember, Oak Hill and Lees Corner also currently send AAP to Carson--and there are quite a sizeable amount of them there.

PP here. Just checked dashboard. If I am interpreting it correctly there are around 273 Franklin boundary students attending AAP at Carson. That is certainly enough to justify a center at Franklin. Not sure you can also send Crossfield there, however.

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Anonymous wrote:Same issue at Thoreau. It’s a three-way split feeder and they aren’t doing anything about it. Guess the consultants just want to make a quick buck by going after some schools and not tackling anything that would actually require some thought.

I don't know anything about Thoreau. I do live in the Carson area. I do not see a solution for Carson. It feeds to South Lakes, Oakton, and Westfield. Some people would say it feeds into Chantilly, as well, because of the AAP center there (which does have a lot of Chantilly kids.)

Franklin feeds to Chantilly and Oakton. Maybe a handful to Westfield.

Franklin cannot take all the Oakton kids from Carson--so Oakton kids must remain at Carson.
I doubt if Hughes can take all the South Lakes kids from Carson.
Westfield kids live the closest to Carson, so there is no other option there.

So, I do not see how this can be resolved. One help would be to have a center at Franklin, too. There are plenty of kids to fill one there.

I don't get this argument. Franklin is under capacity and the only Oakton kids at Carson are the ones from Crossfield. If you leave the Crossfield AAP kids at Carson, that probably leaves you with 60 kids that would go to Franklin. That would be fine given that Franklin is at 80% capacity right now.

The AAP kids from Waples Mill also go to Carson. Getting all those Crossfield and Waples AAP kids back would go a long way towards making the AAP program at Franklin comparable to the one currently at Carson. Maybe then they'd be able to offer more of the courses and extra curriculars that Carson has.

AAP kids from Navy who attend Oakton are also at Carson. I suspect that you end up with a decent contingent of Oakton kids at Carson when you look at the percentages.

Not sure that you will have enough room at Franklin if you put all Oakton kids along with AAP there. Remember, Oak Hill and Lees Corner also currently send AAP to Carson--and there are quite a sizeable amount of them there.

At the very least, they could get Westfield out of Franklin/Rocky Run by pulling their Franklin kids to Stone and sending Stone AAP to Carson. At the same time get Chantilly out of Carson and send the Franklin AAP kids to Rocky Run (there’s room when you move Stone kids.) It makes no sense to send Chantilly kids to Carson and Westfield kids to Rocky Run/Franklin when both high schools have two middle schools within their pyramids, one being an AAP center. (Carson is technically in the Oakton pyramid but physically in the Westfield zone.)

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Anonymous wrote:Same issue at Thoreau. It’s a three-way split feeder and they aren’t doing anything about it. Guess the consultants just want to make a quick buck by going after some schools and not tackling anything that would actually require some thought.

I don't know anything about Thoreau. I do live in the Carson area. I do not see a solution for Carson. It feeds to South Lakes, Oakton, and Westfield. Some people would say it feeds into Chantilly, as well, because of the AAP center there (which does have a lot of Chantilly kids.)

Franklin feeds to Chantilly and Oakton. Maybe a handful to Westfield.

Franklin cannot take all the Oakton kids from Carson--so Oakton kids must remain at Carson.
I doubt if Hughes can take all the South Lakes kids from Carson.
Westfield kids live the closest to Carson, so there is no other option there.

So, I do not see how this can be resolved. One help would be to have a center at Franklin, too. There are plenty of kids to fill one there.

I don't get this argument. Franklin is under capacity and the only Oakton kids at Carson are the ones from Crossfield. If you leave the Crossfield AAP kids at Carson, that probably leaves you with 60 kids that would go to Franklin. That would be fine given that Franklin is at 80% capacity right now.

The AAP kids from Waples Mill also go to Carson. Getting all those Crossfield and Waples AAP kids back would go a long way towards making the AAP program at Franklin comparable to the one currently at Carson. Maybe then they'd be able to offer more of the courses and extra curriculars that Carson has.

AAP kids from Navy who attend Oakton are also at Carson. I suspect that you end up with a decent contingent of Oakton kids at Carson when you look at the percentages.

Not sure that you will have enough room at Franklin if you put all Oakton kids along with AAP there. Remember, Oak Hill and Lees Corner also currently send AAP to Carson--and there are quite a sizeable amount of them there.

PP here. Just checked dashboard. If I am interpreting it correctly there are around 273 Franklin boundary students attending AAP at Carson. That is certainly enough to justify a center at Franklin. Not sure you can also send Crossfield there, however.

I don’t think you can bring AAP to Franklin without shrinking its boundaries. You’d have to send more of Oakton to Carson as its base school.

Program capacity at Franklin is currently 844. Sending 273 students back today would make it 126% capacity, and even if you got it back to its peak 1005 capacity, that would be 107%.

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Anonymous wrote:Same issue at Thoreau. It’s a three-way split feeder and they aren’t doing anything about it. Guess the consultants just want to make a quick buck by going after some schools and not tackling anything that would actually require some thought.

I don't know anything about Thoreau. I do live in the Carson area. I do not see a solution for Carson. It feeds to South Lakes, Oakton, and Westfield. Some people would say it feeds into Chantilly, as well, because of the AAP center there (which does have a lot of Chantilly kids.)

Franklin feeds to Chantilly and Oakton. Maybe a handful to Westfield.

Franklin cannot take all the Oakton kids from Carson--so Oakton kids must remain at Carson.
I doubt if Hughes can take all the South Lakes kids from Carson.
Westfield kids live the closest to Carson, so there is no other option there.

So, I do not see how this can be resolved. One help would be to have a center at Franklin, too. There are plenty of kids to fill one there.

I don't get this argument. Franklin is under capacity and the only Oakton kids at Carson are the ones from Crossfield. If you leave the Crossfield AAP kids at Carson, that probably leaves you with 60 kids that would go to Franklin. That would be fine given that Franklin is at 80% capacity right now.

The AAP kids from Waples Mill also go to Carson. Getting all those Crossfield and Waples AAP kids back would go a long way towards making the AAP program at Franklin comparable to the one currently at Carson. Maybe then they'd be able to offer more of the courses and extra curriculars that Carson has.

AAP kids from Navy who attend Oakton are also at Carson. I suspect that you end up with a decent contingent of Oakton kids at Carson when you look at the percentages.

Not sure that you will have enough room at Franklin if you put all Oakton kids along with AAP there. Remember, Oak Hill and Lees Corner also currently send AAP to Carson--and there are quite a sizeable amount of them there.

At the very least, they could get Westfield out of Franklin/Rocky Run by pulling their Franklin kids to Stone and sending Stone AAP to Carson. At the same time get Chantilly out of Carson and send the Franklin AAP kids to Rocky Run (there’s room when you move Stone kids.) It makes no sense to send Chantilly kids to Carson and Westfield kids to Rocky Run/Franklin when both high schools have two middle schools within their pyramids, one being an AAP center. (Carson is technically in the Oakton pyramid but physically in the Westfield zone.)

But, then you would be adding Oakton kids at Rocky Run.

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Anonymous wrote:Same issue at Thoreau. It’s a three-way split feeder and they aren’t doing anything about it. Guess the consultants just want to make a quick buck by going after some schools and not tackling anything that would actually require some thought.

I don't know anything about Thoreau. I do live in the Carson area. I do not see a solution for Carson. It feeds to South Lakes, Oakton, and Westfield. Some people would say it feeds into Chantilly, as well, because of the AAP center there (which does have a lot of Chantilly kids.)

Franklin feeds to Chantilly and Oakton. Maybe a handful to Westfield.

Franklin cannot take all the Oakton kids from Carson--so Oakton kids must remain at Carson.
I doubt if Hughes can take all the South Lakes kids from Carson.
Westfield kids live the closest to Carson, so there is no other option there.

So, I do not see how this can be resolved. One help would be to have a center at Franklin, too. There are plenty of kids to fill one there.

I don't get this argument. Franklin is under capacity and the only Oakton kids at Carson are the ones from Crossfield. If you leave the Crossfield AAP kids at Carson, that probably leaves you with 60 kids that would go to Franklin. That would be fine given that Franklin is at 80% capacity right now.

The AAP kids from Waples Mill also go to Carson. Getting all those Crossfield and Waples AAP kids back would go a long way towards making the AAP program at Franklin comparable to the one currently at Carson. Maybe then they'd be able to offer more of the courses and extra curriculars that Carson has.

AAP kids from Navy who attend Oakton are also at Carson. I suspect that you end up with a decent contingent of Oakton kids at Carson when you look at the percentages.

Not sure that you will have enough room at Franklin if you put all Oakton kids along with AAP there. Remember, Oak Hill and Lees Corner also currently send AAP to Carson--and there are quite a sizeable amount of them there.

At the very least, they could get Westfield out of Franklin/Rocky Run by pulling their Franklin kids to Stone and sending Stone AAP to Carson. At the same time get Chantilly out of Carson and send the Franklin AAP kids to Rocky Run (there’s room when you move Stone kids.) It makes no sense to send Chantilly kids to Carson and Westfield kids to Rocky Run/Franklin when both high schools have two middle schools within their pyramids, one being an AAP center. (Carson is technically in the Oakton pyramid but physically in the Westfield zone.)

But, then you would be adding Oakton kids at Rocky Run.

No. Franklin kids zoned to Oakton would continue to go to Carson for AAP. Franklin zoned kids to Chantilly would go to Rocky Run. They do the same thing for Thoreau kids split between Kilmer AAP and Jackson AAP depending on their address.

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I don't know what space Hughes has but moving the Carson kids to Hughes would make sense. I would be pissed as the parent of a Carson kid who would be moved to Hughes but it would turn Hughes into a pure feeder for SLHS. The programs and after school activities at Carson are a lot better than Hughes and there might be a minor riot if this were legitimatly suggested.

I think part of the issue at Carson is that the school is not over crowded and the parents whose kids are there are happy to have them there. There is no real reason, short of dealing with split feeders, to move kids from Carson. I don't think that there is a HS near by that Carson could be the sole feeder to, based on the geography. Trying to reduce the split feeder nature of Carson means messing with a lot of other boundaries. People just don't want to do that.

It is probably similar to why they are not doign more to relieve Chantilly and Cetnerville during this boundary rehall. The ripple effects in the area would be huge and most parents are happy with the way things are. There might be parents at Herndon and SLHS who would be happy to have their kids moved to a different HS, depending on the HS, but the people we know at Oakton, Chantilly, Centerville, Westfield, and even Herndon and SLHS are happy there. The major push back on one of the moves in the area is Emarald Chase not wanting to go to SLHS and trying to get to Chantilly, which is pretty ridiculous given the overcrowding there.

I think the reality is that most of the parents in this part of the county are happy with their MS and HS and don't care about the capacity issues. So there is no real pressure to fix the Carson split feeder because people are fine with it.

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Of course people at West Springfield, McLean, and Marshall are happy where they are as well, but that hasn’t stopped FCPS from proposing to move them. It’s odd that we’d leave three-way split feeders like Carson intact but start rezoning other people just because it requires less effort on the part of an overpaid consultant to reshuffle them.

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Anonymous wrote:Next to no one wants boundary adjustments. Reid and Frisch really stepped into it with this nonsense.

Agree that few want them, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t the right thing to do.

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Anonymous wrote:Next to no one wants boundary adjustments. Reid and Frisch really stepped into it with this nonsense.

Agree that few want them, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t the right thing to do.

You’re the reason that your party is in the wilderness. These changes are not “the right thing to do” just because you personally benefit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Next to no one wants boundary adjustments. Reid and Frisch really stepped into it with this nonsense.

Agree that few want them, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t the right thing to do.

You’re the reason that your party is in the wilderness. These changes are not “the right thing to do” just because you personally benefit.

They are just defending the indefensible at this point. There’s nothing courageous about what’s been proposed, and nothing that’s going to provide any meaningful benefits. At this point, they are just going through the motions so they can claim (falsely) they did what they proposed to do and justify the consultant’s fee. One giant waste of time and money. This should be the beginning of the end of Reid’s tenure as superintendent.