Succession - Season 4

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Anonymous wrote:I 100% thought that the death was a huge hoax by Logan - that he was testing his kids to see how they would react to his death and what they would say to him in those last minutes. I fully expected him to walk into the boat and make some awful, disparaging remarks to them, after humiliating them. Glad that didn’t happen - that would have just been too cruel.

I was especially moved by both Kendall and Tom in this episode. Tom was so kind to Shiv.

The dialogue is getting weaker and weaker - so many f*cks peppering the conversation. It’s beyond old and strikes me as lazy.

I found Tom fascinating in this episode because I think he genuinely felt for Shiv in that moment, but I also think his kindness was at least 30% him realizing that with Logan dead, Shiv is his only real lifeline. Without her, he’s all the way out.

And I love how there were thematic parallels between that situation and Connor/Willa, with Connor straight up asking Willa if she was just in it fir the money and her getting very honest that the money is absolutely a big part of it for her.

I think the dialogue was very f**k heavy in this episode because everyone was in shock and didn’t know what to say, and people get kind of dumb in that situation. It’s realistic— people don’t give eloquent speeches in this situation. They can’t really process their feelings fast enough.

PP here and I agree with 99% of your post. But the f*ck issue is in every.single.episode. It's almost as if they're told to ad lib and they use constant profanity as a crutch while they think of what to say. Either that or the writers are incredibly lazy.

What if the writers aren’t lazy but the kids just aren’t that smart and they can’t think of what to say? Shiv, Roman, Tom, Greg are all pretty inarticulate and sub curse words for original thoughts. I think it’s very intentional that the writers use curse words instead of anything else.

There are some hilarious dirty insults. Incredibly witty and fast paced.

https://www.sciencealert.com/swearing-is-a-sign-of-more-intelligence-not-less-say-scientists/amp

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/26/health/swearing-benefits-wellness/index.html

I have run in some highly intellectual, extremely wealthy circles and it’s an art form.

Dolts on dcum get their panties in a twist and mistake it for being classless. It couldn’t be further from the reality.

And I loved VEEP with Selena and Dan and Amy’s profanity Abe hilarious cut downs.

Well, it can be both classless and common to the upper classes at the same time. Let's not confuse money with taste, sensitivity, or manners.

+1. One thing the show nails is how Kendall dresses obnoxiously casually all the time because he doesn't feel he has to dress up for anything. He wears sweatshirts to the office. He wore a baseball cap to his brother's rehearsal dinner, where he barely acknowledged it was a rehearsal dinner and stayed for 20 minutes. He did bother to wear a suit to the wedding itself, but no tie and didn't button his shirt all the way. Yes, I get some of these are "fashion" choices, but the point is that he feels he can simply make a personal style choice no matter the venue or occasion because he's very rich and doesn't feel he has to conform to social norms. And sure, his sweatshirts and baseball caps likely cost more than many people's wedding gowns, but that doesn't magically make them more formal or respectful to others.

People made a big deal about Shiv's ponytail at the wedding but lots of very wealthy women dress kind of terribly or have sloppy hair or clothes. Again, they might spend a lot on it, but that doesn't mean it looks that way or that they feel like they have to conform to anyone's expectations.

The swearing is the same. These are people who are used to not having to play by the rules. Sometimes they choose to be sophisticated, but they don't have to -- they can say f**k all they want, dress down, treat people poorly, etc., and unlike for the rest of us, there are no consequences. None of them is getting fired for swearing or not following a dress code. They won't lose friends over it either, because their friends are all there because of the money, too. I mean, Willa married Connor while openly admitting the money was a major reason why (and let's get real, any affection she has for him was developed after latching onto him for the money).

The poor language and bad clothes are of a piece with their overall awful behavior. The whole point of this show is that these people do not have to play by the same rules as the rest of us. People who don't understand that are like the people who rooted for Tony Soprano and Walter White. The point just whooshing right over their simple minds.

What a strange, strange post - especially your last sentences. But I get that you think you're far sharper and more clever than everyone else.
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What is strange about it? This is a well-known phenomenon -- people who root for the anti-heroes in shows that show them at their worst. Lots of people absolutely rooted for Tony and Walter to get away with their criminal behavior (including murder), and plenty of people root for the people on Succession to successfully get away with their own bad behavior (including stuff like Kendall getting away with killing that kid in the car crash) or chuckle at stuff like Roman's rocket exploding or all the malfeasance/abuse that occurred in Waystar's cruise business. Being able to watch these shows and not forget your ethical compass, and be able to empathize with these people without actually rooting for them to successfully kill, swindle, exploit, etc., is not a sign of being sharper or more clever, but it is a sign of having more self-awareness and not being so easily swayed by a work of fiction.

OMG.

?? What is your problem?

NP just spitballing here but probably the smug attitude exhibited in the previous post. That PP would probably scold people for admiring Robin Hood, the dirty rotten thief.

Exactly. The sanctimonious "analysis" of the PPP is just so over-the-top asinine.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m pretty rich and I don’t know anyone who got an amnio unless something came up on the earlier tests. Extra scans? Sure! But amnio has serious risks.

I had an amnio with all of my kids. Because I wanted to know if there were any birth defects ahead of time. No surprises.

Yeah this was just to give a clue either about how far along she is or preview that there may be an issue with the baby (Chekhov’s gun). Aminos are available to anyone over 35 w insurance- unlike the jets this one thing isn’t a super rich only option.

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And other than it being a more interesting way to tell the audience Shiv is pregnant (and how far along), there was nothing deeper to this scene.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is Greg on the paper?

What pills were Roman taking off Logan’s desk towards the end in the meeting with Hugo and Karolina?

Why would Connor want his father’s apartment? This intrigues me that even though he was probably very neglected or loves by Logan he would want to buy Logan’s apartment.

Why is Willa’s mother still following Willa and Connor around?

Did Roman pop a few of those pills? I thought I saw that but I didn't rewind to make sure.

Yes. So whatever they were, it was something another person might want to take casually. He also “crunched” them rather than swallow whole, which I noticed because I’m on a lot of meds and they’re always terrible and I can’t imagine chewing one. That may or may not be a hint to the type of meds — it’s also possible the director had him chew to help make it more obvious that he was taking one.

Logan had that UTI last season and vitamin c is often recommended to prevent recurrent infection – and vitamin c is often chewable…

But I didn’t get a good look at the bottle to see if it was Rx or not.

it was a prescription bottle. Kerry also had a prescription bottle fall out of her bag when she spilled the bag of "stuff" Marcia gave her.

He was Taking stuff to make his sperm more potent right?? Maybe it was something like that

Or his beef stick hard.

Oh good point. And we know Roman has sex issues so that makes sense actually that he would see them and take one!

This is a long shot but.... given the two incidents with prescription meds, I wondered if Kerry was trying to swap out whatever was in her bag for whatever was on Logan's desk.

I do think it was interesting that they made it clear that Kerri really really wanted to get upstairs. She said it multiple times and then was asking Roman to check things upstairs for her. I wonder if we will get follow up about that or if it was just showing her grieving.

She's probably freaking out that she's unemployable and was on the verge of being extremely wealthy.

Oh for sure- grieving the life she was having as opposed to grieving Logan himself, for sure. But the focus on getting upstairs. It actually reminded me of when Logan was sick and the kids wanted to get upstairs to see him and Marcia would deny them going upstairs, in season 1. It seems like it’s just a metaphor. As opposed to a straightforward , “what’s she trying to get from upstairs?”

DP. Agree. It was a sign that Kerry is not really a part of their world and thus would have no further access to the "upstairs."

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Anonymous wrote:I 100% thought that the death was a huge hoax by Logan - that he was testing his kids to see how they would react to his death and what they would say to him in those last minutes. I fully expected him to walk into the boat and make some awful, disparaging remarks to them, after humiliating them. Glad that didn’t happen - that would have just been too cruel.

I was especially moved by both Kendall and Tom in this episode. Tom was so kind to Shiv.

The dialogue is getting weaker and weaker - so many f*cks peppering the conversation. It’s beyond old and strikes me as lazy.

I found Tom fascinating in this episode because I think he genuinely felt for Shiv in that moment, but I also think his kindness was at least 30% him realizing that with Logan dead, Shiv is his only real lifeline. Without her, he’s all the way out.

And I love how there were thematic parallels between that situation and Connor/Willa, with Connor straight up asking Willa if she was just in it fir the money and her getting very honest that the money is absolutely a big part of it for her.

I think the dialogue was very f**k heavy in this episode because everyone was in shock and didn’t know what to say, and people get kind of dumb in that situation. It’s realistic— people don’t give eloquent speeches in this situation. They can’t really process their feelings fast enough.

PP here and I agree with 99% of your post. But the f*ck issue is in every.single.episode. It's almost as if they're told to ad lib and they use constant profanity as a crutch while they think of what to say. Either that or the writers are incredibly lazy.

What if the writers aren’t lazy but the kids just aren’t that smart and they can’t think of what to say? Shiv, Roman, Tom, Greg are all pretty inarticulate and sub curse words for original thoughts. I think it’s very intentional that the writers use curse words instead of anything else.

There are some hilarious dirty insults. Incredibly witty and fast paced.

https://www.sciencealert.com/swearing-is-a-sign-of-more-intelligence-not-less-say-scientists/amp

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/26/health/swearing-benefits-wellness/index.html

I have run in some highly intellectual, extremely wealthy circles and it’s an art form.

Dolts on dcum get their panties in a twist and mistake it for being classless. It couldn’t be further from the reality.

And I loved VEEP with Selena and Dan and Amy’s profanity Abe hilarious cut downs.

Well, it can be both classless and common to the upper classes at the same time. Let's not confuse money with taste, sensitivity, or manners.

+1. One thing the show nails is how Kendall dresses obnoxiously casually all the time because he doesn't feel he has to dress up for anything. He wears sweatshirts to the office. He wore a baseball cap to his brother's rehearsal dinner, where he barely acknowledged it was a rehearsal dinner and stayed for 20 minutes. He did bother to wear a suit to the wedding itself, but no tie and didn't button his shirt all the way. Yes, I get some of these are "fashion" choices, but the point is that he feels he can simply make a personal style choice no matter the venue or occasion because he's very rich and doesn't feel he has to conform to social norms. And sure, his sweatshirts and baseball caps likely cost more than many people's wedding gowns, but that doesn't magically make them more formal or respectful to others.

People made a big deal about Shiv's ponytail at the wedding but lots of very wealthy women dress kind of terribly or have sloppy hair or clothes. Again, they might spend a lot on it, but that doesn't mean it looks that way or that they feel like they have to conform to anyone's expectations.

The swearing is the same. These are people who are used to not having to play by the rules. Sometimes they choose to be sophisticated, but they don't have to -- they can say f**k all they want, dress down, treat people poorly, etc., and unlike for the rest of us, there are no consequences. None of them is getting fired for swearing or not following a dress code. They won't lose friends over it either, because their friends are all there because of the money, too. I mean, Willa married Connor while openly admitting the money was a major reason why (and let's get real, any affection she has for him was developed after latching onto him for the money).

The poor language and bad clothes are of a piece with their overall awful behavior. The whole point of this show is that these people do not have to play by the same rules as the rest of us. People who don't understand that are like the people who rooted for Tony Soprano and Walter White. The point just whooshing right over their simple minds.

What a strange, strange post - especially your last sentences. But I get that you think you're far sharper and more clever than everyone else.
DP

What is strange about it? This is a well-known phenomenon -- people who root for the anti-heroes in shows that show them at their worst. Lots of people absolutely rooted for Tony and Walter to get away with their criminal behavior (including murder), and plenty of people root for the people on Succession to successfully get away with their own bad behavior (including stuff like Kendall getting away with killing that kid in the car crash) or chuckle at stuff like Roman's rocket exploding or all the malfeasance/abuse that occurred in Waystar's cruise business. Being able to watch these shows and not forget your ethical compass, and be able to empathize with these people without actually rooting for them to successfully kill, swindle, exploit, etc., is not a sign of being sharper or more clever, but it is a sign of having more self-awareness and not being so easily swayed by a work of fiction.

OMG.

+1. Succession is a soap opera. Nothing more, nothing less. Thinking that this show puts you or anybody else at risk of being sucked into some anti-hero's moral compass is not what this is about. Relax and enjoy the ride.

Just because you just like passively watching this show like it's just a fun show about rich people with no deeper meaning or point, doesn't mean other people have to, as well. You're on a discussion board about the show. People are going to read into the show, explore themes and ideas, argue. If that seems dumb to you, that's fine. But it's not the definitive read on the show. Lot's of people think there's more to it:

https://philosophynow.org/issues/140/Succession
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/succession-sociologists-explain-fans-fascination-shows-repugnant-heroes-1246669/
https://www.vulture.com/2023/04/succession-is-more-than-an-eat-the-rich-fantasy.html

I personally think "relax and enjoy the ride" is the boring way to watch a show like this. That's what a show like CSI or Grey's Anatomy is for.

You missed my point. I think it’s fun to take the pieces apart and look for clues. But you’re arguing that it goes way, way beyond that, and that people are getting sucked into Logan’s/the kids’ moral compasses, and I think that’s plain wrong. If anybody is rooting for the bad guys, it’s because it’s fun, not because they identify deeply with Kendall or whoever and want to adopt their morals, that’s silly.

THIS. Well said.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's what I think the arc will be for the end of the season and show.

All of the kids will fight one another for power and control. They will not return to their Pierce media empire as a united front. By the end of the show all the kids will have betrayed one another, except maybe Willa's husband who is cray but may have achieved some weird growth through his dad's death. We saw it already as Kendall and Roman didn't include Shiv in making decisions about the PR strategy, and then with Kendall contradicting Roman's decision. Also with Roman willing to betray Jerri and Kendall willing to use the executive's daughter's insider training against him.

If any of the kids wind up in charge, they will end up with all bridges to their siblings burned, totally and completely alone. Maybe Kendall will die from the strain/stress and Roman will be in charge, or vice versa. Someone will be victorious but the cost will make it extremely hollow, and in this way they will have become their father: someone who wins but who can only have transactional personal relationships.

Unless Greg winds up in charge, which would also be completely hilarious.

I’ve heard this theory a lot, and it would really disappoint me. Just makes a mockery of the whole show.

And Greg himself has become a mockery lately. He has always been a butt kisser but his comments and tone when Kerry was getting her things felt out of place and too obvious. It is fun when he interacts with Tom but I don’t like the character otherwise.

DP. I sort of agree. He used to be my favorite character because he was so truly clueless, but he has become such a sycophant it's hard to like him as much.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's what I think the arc will be for the end of the season and show.

All of the kids will fight one another for power and control. They will not return to their Pierce media empire as a united front. By the end of the show all the kids will have betrayed one another, except maybe Willa's husband who is cray but may have achieved some weird growth through his dad's death. We saw it already as Kendall and Roman didn't include Shiv in making decisions about the PR strategy, and then with Kendall contradicting Roman's decision. Also with Roman willing to betray Jerri and Kendall willing to use the executive's daughter's insider training against him.

If any of the kids wind up in charge, they will end up with all bridges to their siblings burned, totally and completely alone. Maybe Kendall will die from the strain/stress and Roman will be in charge, or vice versa. Someone will be victorious but the cost will make it extremely hollow, and in this way they will have become their father: someone who wins but who can only have transactional personal relationships.

Unless Greg winds up in charge, which would also be completely hilarious.

I’ve heard this theory a lot, and it would really disappoint me. Just makes a mockery of the whole show.

And Greg himself has become a mockery lately. He has always been a butt kisser but his comments and tone when Kerry was getting her things felt out of place and too obvious. It is fun when he interacts with Tom but I don’t like the character otherwise.

I think the caricature is the point. He's a buffoon and it's all "regulated" by the tight control Logan had over all the chaos. Logan dying is like the Soviet Union crumbling--the chaos is now going to bubble up and be unleashed. Greg is searching for his new role, and has a limited toolbox to use to create it (trying the family card on the 3 siblings, etc. was cringeworthy, and obviously they saw through it). Tom, on the other hand, is trying his best to be "nice," including asking Shiv to be nice to him, genuinely (it seemed) trying to help the kids say goodbye, etc., and sucking up to the executives. It hurts more because he's smarter and slyer and no one's buying what he's selling....

Tom constantly saying, "I'm here to serve." What a suck-up!
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I've never quite understood how the kids - specifically Shiv and Kendall - got past last season's huge rift when Kendall went public against Logan and Shiv wrote that public letter denouncing Kendall. What am I forgetting? How did they all make up after that?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand why Shiv acquiesced to the arrangement where Roman and Kendall assume "temporary" control of the company. She of all people should know that there is no way they will relinquish or share any power with her, once ensconced. Why didn't she fight this?! It makes me so mad, the way they spoke to her. I can only assume that between her father's death and her pregnancy she was so overwhelmed that she just threw up her hands. It's very unfortunate and I think she will regret this later. It's clear that she's already unhappy with it.

She knew she was going to lose that argument so she really had no choice.

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As soon as Roman agreed to Kendall’s proposal, it was over for Shiv. Two against one.

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Plus, they had to act quickly as the board was about to vote, and this arrangement was better than losing control completely to one of the "old guard."

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Anonymous wrote:Karl: I mean could it, might it just go away? I mean it might get lost. I hope it doesn’t, but what if your hand goes a little wobbly, and a draft takes it away, and it gets flushed down a toilet by mistake? I’m kidding, of course.

Frank: Oh, sure. You’re speculating in a comic mode.

Karl: In a humorous vein. We’re not gonna let that little princess screw things up, right, Frank? Gerri’s gonna block me. I want out. I want my f*ckin’ package.
I am halfway in on a Greek island with my brother in law.

Gerri: Say, what’s up, boys?

Sounds like they’re talking about Gerri.

+100
It's Gerri.

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Anonymous wrote:Karl: I mean could it, might it just go away? I mean it might get lost. I hope it doesn’t, but what if your hand goes a little wobbly, and a draft takes it away, and it gets flushed down a toilet by mistake? I’m kidding, of course.

Frank: Oh, sure. You’re speculating in a comic mode.

Karl: In a humorous vein. We’re not gonna let that little princess screw things up, right, Frank? Gerri’s gonna block me. I want out. I want my f*ckin’ package.
I am halfway in on a Greek island with my brother in law.

Gerri: Say, what’s up, boys?

Sounds like they’re talking about Gerri.

Gerri is hardly a princess. It was Shiv.

No, it was Gerri - she was very likely going to be the next CEO and Karl and Frank wanted to prevent that.

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Anonymous wrote:Karl: I mean could it, might it just go away? I mean it might get lost. I hope it doesn’t, but what if your hand goes a little wobbly, and a draft takes it away, and it gets flushed down a toilet by mistake? I’m kidding, of course.

Frank: Oh, sure. You’re speculating in a comic mode.

Karl: In a humorous vein. We’re not gonna let that little princess screw things up, right, Frank? Gerri’s gonna block me. I want out. I want my f*ckin’ package.
I am halfway in on a Greek island with my brother in law.

Gerri: Say, what’s up, boys?

Sounds like they’re talking about Gerri.

Gerri is hardly a princess. It was Shiv.

No, it was Gerri - she was very likely going to be the next CEO and Karl and Frank wanted to prevent that.

No it wasn’t because Gerri was there when they still hadn’t done anything to the document. They were still holding it discussing when she came in. And they kind of had an implied moment with her and were also saying to her about “losing it down the toilet” she was in on that.

It was Shiv—the princess.

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Anonymous wrote:I 100% thought that the death was a huge hoax by Logan - that he was testing his kids to see how they would react to his death and what they would say to him in those last minutes. I fully expected him to walk into the boat and make some awful, disparaging remarks to them, after humiliating them. Glad that didn’t happen - that would have just been too cruel.

I was especially moved by both Kendall and Tom in this episode. Tom was so kind to Shiv.

The dialogue is getting weaker and weaker - so many f*cks peppering the conversation. It’s beyond old and strikes me as lazy.

I found Tom fascinating in this episode because I think he genuinely felt for Shiv in that moment, but I also think his kindness was at least 30% him realizing that with Logan dead, Shiv is his only real lifeline. Without her, he’s all the way out.

And I love how there were thematic parallels between that situation and Connor/Willa, with Connor straight up asking Willa if she was just in it fir the money and her getting very honest that the money is absolutely a big part of it for her.

I think the dialogue was very f**k heavy in this episode because everyone was in shock and didn’t know what to say, and people get kind of dumb in that situation. It’s realistic— people don’t give eloquent speeches in this situation. They can’t really process their feelings fast enough.

PP here and I agree with 99% of your post. But the f*ck issue is in every.single.episode. It's almost as if they're told to ad lib and they use constant profanity as a crutch while they think of what to say. Either that or the writers are incredibly lazy.

What if the writers aren’t lazy but the kids just aren’t that smart and they can’t think of what to say? Shiv, Roman, Tom, Greg are all pretty inarticulate and sub curse words for original thoughts. I think it’s very intentional that the writers use curse words instead of anything else.

There are some hilarious dirty insults. Incredibly witty and fast paced.

https://www.sciencealert.com/swearing-is-a-sign-of-more-intelligence-not-less-say-scientists/amp

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/26/health/swearing-benefits-wellness/index.html

I have run in some highly intellectual, extremely wealthy circles and it’s an art form.

Dolts on dcum get their panties in a twist and mistake it for being classless. It couldn’t be further from the reality.

And I loved VEEP with Selena and Dan and Amy’s profanity Abe hilarious cut downs.

Well, it can be both classless and common to the upper classes at the same time. Let's not confuse money with taste, sensitivity, or manners.

+1. One thing the show nails is how Kendall dresses obnoxiously casually all the time because he doesn't feel he has to dress up for anything. He wears sweatshirts to the office. He wore a baseball cap to his brother's rehearsal dinner, where he barely acknowledged it was a rehearsal dinner and stayed for 20 minutes. He did bother to wear a suit to the wedding itself, but no tie and didn't button his shirt all the way. Yes, I get some of these are "fashion" choices, but the point is that he feels he can simply make a personal style choice no matter the venue or occasion because he's very rich and doesn't feel he has to conform to social norms. And sure, his sweatshirts and baseball caps likely cost more than many people's wedding gowns, but that doesn't magically make them more formal or respectful to others.

People made a big deal about Shiv's ponytail at the wedding but lots of very wealthy women dress kind of terribly or have sloppy hair or clothes. Again, they might spend a lot on it, but that doesn't mean it looks that way or that they feel like they have to conform to anyone's expectations.

The swearing is the same. These are people who are used to not having to play by the rules. Sometimes they choose to be sophisticated, but they don't have to -- they can say f**k all they want, dress down, treat people poorly, etc., and unlike for the rest of us, there are no consequences. None of them is getting fired for swearing or not following a dress code. They won't lose friends over it either, because their friends are all there because of the money, too. I mean, Willa married Connor while openly admitting the money was a major reason why (and let's get real, any affection she has for him was developed after latching onto him for the money).

The poor language and bad clothes are of a piece with their overall awful behavior. The whole point of this show is that these people do not have to play by the same rules as the rest of us. People who don't understand that are like the people who rooted for Tony Soprano and Walter White. The point just whooshing right over their simple minds.

What a strange, strange post - especially your last sentences. But I get that you think you're far sharper and more clever than everyone else.
DP

What is strange about it? This is a well-known phenomenon -- people who root for the anti-heroes in shows that show them at their worst. Lots of people absolutely rooted for Tony and Walter to get away with their criminal behavior (including murder), and plenty of people root for the people on Succession to successfully get away with their own bad behavior (including stuff like Kendall getting away with killing that kid in the car crash) or chuckle at stuff like Roman's rocket exploding or all the malfeasance/abuse that occurred in Waystar's cruise business. Being able to watch these shows and not forget your ethical compass, and be able to empathize with these people without actually rooting for them to successfully kill, swindle, exploit, etc., is not a sign of being sharper or more clever, but it is a sign of having more self-awareness and not being so easily swayed by a work of fiction.

OMG.

?? What is your problem?

NP just spitballing here but probably the smug attitude exhibited in the previous post. That PP would probably scold people for admiring Robin Hood, the dirty rotten thief.

Uuuuh, rooting for the Roy family is not akin to rooting for Robin Hood (well Ewan might be kind of, but notice he only intends to give his money to Greenpeace after he dies). It actually does sound to me like your moral compass is broken here. Might be why you were so triggered by the prior comments.

DP. You've been talking to multiple posters, all of whom agree that you're a sanctimonious twit. It's a show - get over yourself.

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^ nobody is calling 60-year old Gerri a princess in any capacity.

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Anonymous wrote:The good thing is that if Shiv was on the piece of paper, I think the show will revisit it. If they never say anything about it, I think they were probably talking about Kendall and accidentally made it confusing.

I really don’t think the alternative to Kendall on the paper was Shiv — I think it was Keri.

No way. He was trying to get her an on air job and knew she sucked and wanted her fired.

He doesn’t think of her as more than a secretary. That was very clear.

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Anonymous wrote:Shiv’s name (Princess) was erased in the addendum. I wonder if she will find that out…perhaps someone in the old guard turns on K&R.

Where did you see that? I do think I recall them saying princess but can’t remember exactly how

When the first had the paper I think Geri and not sure if Frank or Carl. My sister missed it too---but my husband and I immediately heard them talk about the pencil in and referred to 'not Princess' no way or something like that. I took that to be Shiv since she was the only daughter and the 'workers' viewed her as a princess entitled.

I took “Princess” to mean Kendall? Although eventually they went with him so I don’t know. I’m not sure they could have erased another name that well, right?

His name was DEFINITELY crossed out, not underlined and he blew the document up on his cell phone and u can tell he knows that too.

Agreed.

+1

DP. I disagree - it was completely ambiguous whether it was underlined (first part) or crossed out (last part). I know when I underline things, it sometimes goes through the word instead of under it. I think it's deliberately meant to be a big question, one that Kendall is of course obsessing over because he needs to know he had Logan's approval. There's no real way to know what Logan's intent was there.