Another gunman, another elementary school

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Anonymous wrote:I'm all for stricter gun laws, but that's only part of the solution -- and frankly -- the easier part of the solution. For starters, we need to step up and clamp down on the rampant cyberbullying that takes place -- cyberbullying that causes too many kids to kill themselves or to kill innocent people. We also need to boycott Hollywood and its glorification of violence -- a glorification that enriches media (i.e. film, TV and music) executives while putting the idea into young people's minds that it's okay or cool to go on shooting rampages. Finally, we need to find ways that support and strengthen families. No, I'm not talking about "traditional family values" or anything like that. I'm talking about an environment in which young people have healthy adult parents or mentors who instill them a sense of self-worth or confidence -- a sense of purpose in life.

No it's not "easier" because people keep voting Republicans into office who won't pass common sense gun laws. These Republican members of Congress are indebted to the NRA.
And, in case it hasn't dawned on you, Republicans are also not willing to pay for mental heath care, community efforts to end cyber-bullying, or social programs to help struggling parents.

We can't do what you suggest until Republicans are voted out.

The PP's valid point is that politics alone will not solve the problem of gun violence.

Well, since "Thoughts and Prayers" haven't worked at all for the last 20 years, maybe Republicans should try to pass a bill to limit sales of assault rilfes.

Extending sympathy and prayers to grieving families of dead children is not intended to stop school shootings. It's not supposed "to work" to stop the shootings. And you know it.

Extending sympathy is a common thing to do, and prayers is what religious people do in troubling times.

BS. Don't be so naive. Politicians say "thoughts and prayers" because it's enough for their pathetic constituents, who are all to content to accept those toothless words over effective policies to end gun violence.

Condolences and prayers are NOT a policy. Stop conflating - stop with the pretending.

No one is saying they're the same. I'm saying that Republican voters are satisfied with thoughts and prayers from their politicians, and perfectly content to have Republican politicians do absolutely NOTHING policy-wise to prevent hundreds of kids being slaughtered by assault rifles legally purchased. Perfectly content, otherwise, why would they continue to vote for them?

That is false.

Republicans believe in added security measures at schools, but democrats oppose added security. THERE WERE ARMED POLICE OFFICERS CHASING THE SHOOTER WHO WERE NOT ABLE TO STOP HIM FROM KILLING 20 PEOPLE.

Republicans often also advocate having a nuclear family, Having a nuclear family doesn't prevent gun violence. Familicide is all-too-common. It's higher than random violence for whites, and is more often committed in white families. https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvs03.pdf

attending church or other place of worship, Study after study debunks the oft-cited claim that the religious are more moralistic, generous, or altruistic. https://theconversation.com/are-religious-people-more-moral-84560

more consequences for felonious juvenile crimes, There is bipartisan support for juvenile crime support, but there are key differences in approach. Perhaps the GOP could also be willing to have better conversations. You cannot blame this on one party. https://apnews.com/article/crime-juvenile-crime-b447107b606dc6cd15339e5a0bda32b0

and a sense of personal responsibility for one's actions. You can't take personal responsibility when you are dead by police or by your own hand.

Others, by contrast, often advocate "dismantling the nuclear family," atheism, lesser punishments for felonious behavior, and blaming others or society as an external locus of control for their bad acts.

Have anything else I can poke holes in?

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Anonymous wrote:How much is that school getting sued?

My daughters elementary school had the following controls.

One way in. Receptionist in bullet proof area with hardwired phone to call 911. She buzz you in. Then you enter bullet proof man trap. She trap you. They also had buzzer to lock all bullet proof classroom doors. Had silent alarms police. Regular active shooter drills. FBI and or local law enforcement consultations. And a cop in parking lot while school open.

While school on camera. We even could lock windows remotely.

Sure more republicans fantasy. Hardwired phone to call 911 you mean a landline bullet proof trap yo7 were more believable when you said the election was stolen. OMG this is the future of republicans propaganda.

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Anonymous wrote:How much is that school getting sued?

My daughters elementary school had the following controls.

One way in. Receptionist in bullet proof area with hardwired phone to call 911. She buzz you in. Then you enter bullet proof man trap. She trap you. They also had buzzer to lock all bullet proof classroom doors. Had silent alarms police. Regular active shooter drills. FBI and or local law enforcement consultations. And a cop in parking lot while school open.

While school on camera. We even could lock windows remotely.

JFC. It sounds like a military base.

I've been in GTMO and it doesn't sound all that different! Not remotely feasible.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm all for stricter gun laws, but that's only part of the solution -- and frankly -- the easier part of the solution. For starters, we need to step up and clamp down on the rampant cyberbullying that takes place -- cyberbullying that causes too many kids to kill themselves or to kill innocent people. We also need to boycott Hollywood and its glorification of violence -- a glorification that enriches media (i.e. film, TV and music) executives while putting the idea into young people's minds that it's okay or cool to go on shooting rampages. Finally, we need to find ways that support and strengthen families. No, I'm not talking about "traditional family values" or anything like that. I'm talking about an environment in which young people have healthy adult parents or mentors who instill them a sense of self-worth or confidence -- a sense of purpose in life.

No it's not "easier" because people keep voting Republicans into office who won't pass common sense gun laws. These Republican members of Congress are indebted to the NRA.
And, in case it hasn't dawned on you, Republicans are also not willing to pay for mental heath care, community efforts to end cyber-bullying, or social programs to help struggling parents.

We can't do what you suggest until Republicans are voted out.

The PP's valid point is that politics alone will not solve the problem of gun violence.

Well, since "Thoughts and Prayers" haven't worked at all for the last 20 years, maybe Republicans should try to pass a bill to limit sales of assault rilfes.

Extending sympathy and prayers to grieving families of dead children is not intended to stop school shootings. It's not supposed "to work" to stop the shootings. And you know it.

Extending sympathy is a common thing to do, and prayers is what religious people do in troubling times.

BS. Don't be so naive. Politicians say "thoughts and prayers" because it's enough for their pathetic constituents, who are all to content to accept those toothless words over effective policies to end gun violence.

Condolences and prayers are NOT a policy. Stop conflating - stop with the pretending.

No one is saying they're the same. I'm saying that Republican voters are satisfied with thoughts and prayers from their politicians, and perfectly content to have Republican politicians do absolutely NOTHING policy-wise to prevent hundreds of kids being slaughtered by assault rifles legally purchased. Perfectly content, otherwise, why would they continue to vote for them?

That is false.

Republicans believe in added security measures at schools, but democrats oppose added security. Republicans often also advocate having a nuclear family, attending church or other place of worship, more consequences for felonious juvenile crimes, and a sense of personal responsibility for one's actions.

Others, by contrast, often advocate "dismantling the nuclear family," atheism, lesser punishments for felonious behavior, and blaming others or society as an external locus of control for their bad acts.

You know the Columbine shooters both came from upper class two parent families, right?

And no, democrats don't advocate dismantling families. What utter nonsense.

BLM literally wants to dismantle the nuclear family and has stated such multiple times. Pay more attention.

Wanting Black people not to be killed by the police means they want the family dismantled?

Yeah, sure Jan. Want to cite some sources that aren't from right wing blogs?

NP. Their website had the following statement: We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and ‘villages’ that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable

The word "requirement" is consistently left out (which is incredibly misleading), and it's a huge leap to go from "it takes a village" to "dismantling the nuclear family." It's a crazy accusation made exclusively in bad faith, but that's the kernel at the bottom of it.

I would argue this shooter needed a village.

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Anonymous wrote:How much is that school getting sued?

My daughters elementary school had the following controls.

One way in. Receptionist in bullet proof area with hardwired phone to call 911. She buzz you in. Then you enter bullet proof man trap. She trap you. They also had buzzer to lock all bullet proof classroom doors. Had silent alarms police. Regular active shooter drills. FBI and or local law enforcement consultations. And a cop in parking lot while school open.

While school on camera. We even could lock windows remotely.

JFC. It sounds like a military base.

I've been in GTMO and it doesn't sound all that different! Not remotely feasible.

It's also just not possible to secure many of the schools in the West or other warm weather areas where there is no single centralized building. Looking at video of Robb Elementary, all the classrooms directly open onto common space courtyards. A gunman can hop a fence by the athletic field, run across the open space, and approach any number of individual classrooms. It's the same setup at MANY schools across the country, particularly in places without regular snowfall or cold winters.

Having a single entry door into the school doesn't do squat for safety.

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Anonymous wrote:I just read the victims were all in the same classroom. I can't stop thinking about the surviving kids being alone in a room with their teachers and most of their classmates dead. It literally hurts my heart. And yet, nothing will be done to prevent another one.

It sounds like everyone in the classroom was either killed or wounded. They said area hospitals treated at least 20 people -- given the number hat were dead on the scene, that sounds like one very crowded classroom. (My own 4th grade class growing up in the SW had 40 kids in it.) There were interviews with kids in the adjoining rooms that could hear their friends being shot in the next room over, including one kid that had recently transferred classes. It sounds like the LEO focused on getting all the kids in other rooms evacuated and waited for the tactical team to storm the room where he was barricaded -- there may well not have been another option. Barricades are really bad, and LEO hate them for this reason. I haven't seen anything that says how long he was actually in the room shooting -- I hope for the children's sake that it wasn't long.
It's all really awful, and reading the WaPo article is also heartbreaking in the number of missed opportunities with this young man.

Why a car needs insurance and a license but a gun doesn't?
Why an 18 year old can't legally buy beer, or rent a rental car, but can easily buy assault rifles?
Why someone with this kind of history, including multiple police calls to their house and significant school truancy, could purchase a weapon?

It's all really inexplicable. The gun lobbyists really make the tobacco industry look like angels. Any every single congressperson that votes against these laws should burn in hell.

Finally, we need a community culture where anytime people see someone posting this stuff on social media, or bragging about it to friends, a call is made to someone. I think kids are now realyl good about reporting when friends express intent to self harm -- if a friend says "I'm going to kill myself", most young people will call someone to alert them. We need that same level of concern when someone posts something that is a gun fetish or a violent threat.

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Anonymous wrote:How religion falls into this debate is beyond me. Most European countries are far less church-going than ours, but they don't experience this insanity every few days.

Probably because they don't have the religious nutters we have here trying to destroy our country.

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Why an 18 year old can't legally buy beer, or rent a rental car, but can easily buy assault rifles?

It's called the Republican Party. GOP4Ever!

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Can we red flag this congressman?

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Finally, we need a community culture where anytime people see someone posting this stuff on social media, or bragging about it to friends, a call is made to someone.

I see. A call is made. To someone.

Whatevs... Just so long as we keep assault weapons easy to buy, I'm good! MAGA!

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Anonymous wrote:How much is that school getting sued?

My daughters elementary school had the following controls.

One way in. Receptionist in bullet proof area with hardwired phone to call 911. She buzz you in. Then you enter bullet proof man trap. She trap you. They also had buzzer to lock all bullet proof classroom doors. Had silent alarms police. Regular active shooter drills. FBI and or local law enforcement consultations. And a cop in parking lot while school open.

While school on camera. We even could lock windows remotely.

Yeah, I don't think a low income rural - like Robb Elementary - school can afford all that. I mean, it's great that you went to a wealthy school that can afford a friggin man-trap, but vast majority of schools in our country can't do that.

Agreed. Although my DH (who works in public health) was asking the principal in our elem school (MCPS) if they could open up some windows during Delta/Omicron. Short answer was no, and mainly because of some of the safety features in the school for a potential active shooter. Principal gave him a tour, and our public school (built in the last 10 years) had some of these features (buzz in, "man trap", ability to lock all the doors automatically). Not sure if any of it was bulletproof or anything but the glass doors and windows were some sort of special material. Obviously no cop or anything patrolling, and the fields are completely open. After that, spouse stopped trying to push the school to open windows/doors (decided most of the kids would survive covid, but not a gun). It felt like some level of protection was applied to designing the school. Obviously, that has to now be in concert with BANNING GUNS. Because the crazies with guns will still be there even with a gun ban, there will just be a tad fewer of them.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm all for stricter gun laws, but that's only part of the solution -- and frankly -- the easier part of the solution. For starters, we need to step up and clamp down on the rampant cyberbullying that takes place -- cyberbullying that causes too many kids to kill themselves or to kill innocent people. We also need to boycott Hollywood and its glorification of violence -- a glorification that enriches media (i.e. film, TV and music) executives while putting the idea into young people's minds that it's okay or cool to go on shooting rampages. Finally, we need to find ways that support and strengthen families. No, I'm not talking about "traditional family values" or anything like that. I'm talking about an environment in which young people have healthy adult parents or mentors who instill them a sense of self-worth or confidence -- a sense of purpose in life.

No it's not "easier" because people keep voting Republicans into office who won't pass common sense gun laws. These Republican members of Congress are indebted to the NRA.
And, in case it hasn't dawned on you, Republicans are also not willing to pay for mental heath care, community efforts to end cyber-bullying, or social programs to help struggling parents.

We can't do what you suggest until Republicans are voted out.

The PP's valid point is that politics alone will not solve the problem of gun violence.

Well, since "Thoughts and Prayers" haven't worked at all for the last 20 years, maybe Republicans should try to pass a bill to limit sales of assault rilfes.

Extending sympathy and prayers to grieving families of dead children is not intended to stop school shootings. It's not supposed "to work" to stop the shootings. And you know it.

Extending sympathy is a common thing to do, and prayers is what religious people do in troubling times.

BS. Don't be so naive. Politicians say "thoughts and prayers" because it's enough for their pathetic constituents, who are all to content to accept those toothless words over effective policies to end gun violence.

Condolences and prayers are NOT a policy. Stop conflating - stop with the pretending.

No one is saying they're the same. I'm saying that Republican voters are satisfied with thoughts and prayers from their politicians, and perfectly content to have Republican politicians do absolutely NOTHING policy-wise to prevent hundreds of kids being slaughtered by assault rifles legally purchased. Perfectly content, otherwise, why would they continue to vote for them?

That is false.

Republicans believe in added security measures at schools, but democrats oppose added security. Republicans often also advocate having a nuclear family, attending church or other place of worship, more consequences for felonious juvenile crimes, and a sense of personal responsibility for one's actions.

Others, by contrast, often advocate "dismantling the nuclear family," atheism, lesser punishments for felonious behavior, and blaming others or society as an external locus of control for their bad acts.

This is utter and complete BS. This is more GOP propaganda. Those GOP politicians don't care about your kids, your family, your job, crime, God, or anything but their own power. And their F-ing guns. But you lap their BS stories up like the rube you are.

A belief or value isn't "propoganda." My beliefs and values are not propaganda. Get a dictionary.

Yup, it isn't propaganda. It's 100% bull crap.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm all for stricter gun laws, but that's only part of the solution -- and frankly -- the easier part of the solution. For starters, we need to step up and clamp down on the rampant cyberbullying that takes place -- cyberbullying that causes too many kids to kill themselves or to kill innocent people. We also need to boycott Hollywood and its glorification of violence -- a glorification that enriches media (i.e. film, TV and music) executives while putting the idea into young people's minds that it's okay or cool to go on shooting rampages. Finally, we need to find ways that support and strengthen families. No, I'm not talking about "traditional family values" or anything like that. I'm talking about an environment in which young people have healthy adult parents or mentors who instill them a sense of self-worth or confidence -- a sense of purpose in life.

No it's not "easier" because people keep voting Republicans into office who won't pass common sense gun laws. These Republican members of Congress are indebted to the NRA.
And, in case it hasn't dawned on you, Republicans are also not willing to pay for mental heath care, community efforts to end cyber-bullying, or social programs to help struggling parents.

We can't do what you suggest until Republicans are voted out.

The PP's valid point is that politics alone will not solve the problem of gun violence.

Well, since "Thoughts and Prayers" haven't worked at all for the last 20 years, maybe Republicans should try to pass a bill to limit sales of assault rilfes.

Extending sympathy and prayers to grieving families of dead children is not intended to stop school shootings. It's not supposed "to work" to stop the shootings. And you know it.

Extending sympathy is a common thing to do, and prayers is what religious people do in troubling times.

BS. Don't be so naive. Politicians say "thoughts and prayers" because it's enough for their pathetic constituents, who are all to content to accept those toothless words over effective policies to end gun violence.

Condolences and prayers are NOT a policy. Stop conflating - stop with the pretending.

No one is saying they're the same. I'm saying that Republican voters are satisfied with thoughts and prayers from their politicians, and perfectly content to have Republican politicians do absolutely NOTHING policy-wise to prevent hundreds of kids being slaughtered by assault rifles legally purchased. Perfectly content, otherwise, why would they continue to vote for them?

That is false.

Republicans believe in added security measures at schools, but democrats oppose added security. Republicans often also advocate having a nuclear family, attending church or other place of worship, more consequences for felonious juvenile crimes, and a sense of personal responsibility for one's actions.

Others, by contrast, often advocate "dismantling the nuclear family," atheism, lesser punishments for felonious behavior, and blaming others or society as an external locus of control for their bad acts.

This is utter and complete BS. This is more GOP propaganda. Those GOP politicians don't care about your kids, your family, your job, crime, God, or anything but their own power. And their F-ing guns. But you lap their BS stories up like the rube you are.

A belief or value isn't "propoganda." My beliefs and values are not propaganda. Get a dictionary.

Perhaps it’s time to reevaluate your “values” if safeguarding children isn’t at the top? And maybe less time watching Fox News and clutching pearls about CRT and BLM boogeymen.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm all for stricter gun laws, but that's only part of the solution -- and frankly -- the easier part of the solution. For starters, we need to step up and clamp down on the rampant cyberbullying that takes place -- cyberbullying that causes too many kids to kill themselves or to kill innocent people. We also need to boycott Hollywood and its glorification of violence -- a glorification that enriches media (i.e. film, TV and music) executives while putting the idea into young people's minds that it's okay or cool to go on shooting rampages. Finally, we need to find ways that support and strengthen families. No, I'm not talking about "traditional family values" or anything like that. I'm talking about an environment in which young people have healthy adult parents or mentors who instill them a sense of self-worth or confidence -- a sense of purpose in life.

No it's not "easier" because people keep voting Republicans into office who won't pass common sense gun laws. These Republican members of Congress are indebted to the NRA.
And, in case it hasn't dawned on you, Republicans are also not willing to pay for mental heath care, community efforts to end cyber-bullying, or social programs to help struggling parents.

We can't do what you suggest until Republicans are voted out.

The PP's valid point is that politics alone will not solve the problem of gun violence.

Well, since "Thoughts and Prayers" haven't worked at all for the last 20 years, maybe Republicans should try to pass a bill to limit sales of assault rilfes.

Extending sympathy and prayers to grieving families of dead children is not intended to stop school shootings. It's not supposed "to work" to stop the shootings. And you know it.

Extending sympathy is a common thing to do, and prayers is what religious people do in troubling times.

BS. Don't be so naive. Politicians say "thoughts and prayers" because it's enough for their pathetic constituents, who are all to content to accept those toothless words over effective policies to end gun violence.

Condolences and prayers are NOT a policy. Stop conflating - stop with the pretending.

No one is saying they're the same. I'm saying that Republican voters are satisfied with thoughts and prayers from their politicians, and perfectly content to have Republican politicians do absolutely NOTHING policy-wise to prevent hundreds of kids being slaughtered by assault rifles legally purchased. Perfectly content, otherwise, why would they continue to vote for them?

That is false.

Republicans believe in added security measures at schools, but democrats oppose added security. Republicans often also advocate having a nuclear family, attending church or other place of worship, more consequences for felonious juvenile crimes, and a sense of personal responsibility for one's actions.

Others, by contrast, often advocate "dismantling the nuclear family," atheism, lesser punishments for felonious behavior, and blaming others or society as an external locus of control for their bad acts.

This is utter and complete BS. This is more GOP propaganda. Those GOP politicians don't care about your kids, your family, your job, crime, God, or anything but their own power. And their F-ing guns. But you lap their BS stories up like the rube you are.

A belief or value isn't "propoganda." My beliefs and values are not propaganda. Get a dictionary.

Perhaps it’s time to reevaluate your “values” if safeguarding children isn’t at the top? And maybe less time watching Fox News and clutching pearls about CRT and BLM boogeymen.

I believe in crime deterrents, security measures, and police. To safeguard kids. How many times do I have to repeat. Can you not read?

READ!

P.s. - I don't watch Fox News, OANN, or Newsmax. Nice try. I just have common freaking sense!