Another gunman, another elementary school

[Anonymous]

I thought the Republican-added security measure was that my kid's kindergarten teacher should carry a gun?
Teachers who we under pay, over work, and got mad at because they didn't want to go to school during covid?

Because a pistol packing teacher will be just as effective as the trained, experienced police officers who make it onto reddit each day right?

:O

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we blaming everything else, it's the shooter and family that needs to be held accountable they failed

And if the shooter is dead? And if the shooter is an adult is his family still “accountable”? What does that even mean? Are you suggesting that gun owners be licensed, that guns be registered, that gun owners be subject to a mental health evaluation, and that they be required to purchase liability insurance?

Actually that all sounds good. Too bad the republicans will never agree.
I cannot believe my home and car have to have insurance, but a gun owner does not.

[Anonymous]

Where did he get the money to purchase these weapons? They are not cheap. That AR-15 was almost $2K.

If he used a newly opened credit card, that should be a major red flag. In fact, there should probably be a strict restriction on using new lines of credit to purchase firearms and ammo. Probably a very high indication of using the weapon for suicide or a crime.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The "added security measures" Reoublicans want basically are just increases in the school to prison pipeline. Meanwhile neither the Sandy Hook shooter nor this shooter actually attended the school. But sure treating the students like criminals is the solution.

And for teachers to have guns.

It sounds like the shooter actually encountered law enforcement before entering the building? I’ll be interested to see why they couldn’t stop him- when even LEOs are unable to stop a shooter with an assault rifle I’m not sure how arming untrained teachers would solve anything.

When I was a teacher I wasn't even allowed to give a cough drop to a student and now teachers should carry guns?? Gee, what could possibly go wrong with that?

[Anonymous]

How much is that school getting sued?

My daughters elementary school had the following controls.

One way in. Receptionist in bullet proof area with hardwired phone to call 911. She buzz you in. Then you enter bullet proof man trap. She trap you. They also had buzzer to lock all bullet proof classroom doors. Had silent alarms police. Regular active shooter drills. FBI and or local law enforcement consultations. And a cop in parking lot while school open.

While school on camera. We even could lock windows remotely.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm all for stricter gun laws, but that's only part of the solution -- and frankly -- the easier part of the solution. For starters, we need to step up and clamp down on the rampant cyberbullying that takes place -- cyberbullying that causes too many kids to kill themselves or to kill innocent people. We also need to boycott Hollywood and its glorification of violence -- a glorification that enriches media (i.e. film, TV and music) executives while putting the idea into young people's minds that it's okay or cool to go on shooting rampages. Finally, we need to find ways that support and strengthen families. No, I'm not talking about "traditional family values" or anything like that. I'm talking about an environment in which young people have healthy adult parents or mentors who instill them a sense of self-worth or confidence -- a sense of purpose in life.

No it's not "easier" because people keep voting Republicans into office who won't pass common sense gun laws. These Republican members of Congress are indebted to the NRA.
And, in case it hasn't dawned on you, Republicans are also not willing to pay for mental heath care, community efforts to end cyber-bullying, or social programs to help struggling parents.

We can't do what you suggest until Republicans are voted out.

The PP's valid point is that politics alone will not solve the problem of gun violence.

Well, since "Thoughts and Prayers" haven't worked at all for the last 20 years, maybe Republicans should try to pass a bill to limit sales of assault rilfes.

Extending sympathy and prayers to grieving families of dead children is not intended to stop school shootings. It's not supposed "to work" to stop the shootings. And you know it.

Extending sympathy is a common thing to do, and prayers is what religious people do in troubling times.

BS. Don't be so naive. Politicians say "thoughts and prayers" because it's enough for their pathetic constituents, who are all to content to accept those toothless words over effective policies to end gun violence.

Condolences and prayers are NOT a policy. Stop conflating - stop with the pretending.

No one is saying they're the same. I'm saying that Republican voters are satisfied with thoughts and prayers from their politicians, and perfectly content to have Republican politicians do absolutely NOTHING policy-wise to prevent hundreds of kids being slaughtered by assault rifles legally purchased. Perfectly content, otherwise, why would they continue to vote for them?

That is false.

Republicans believe in added security measures at schools, but democrats oppose added security. Republicans often also advocate having a nuclear family, attending church or other place of worship, more consequences for felonious juvenile crimes, and a sense of personal responsibility for one's actions.

Others, by contrast, often advocate "dismantling the nuclear family," atheism, lesser punishments for felonious behavior, and blaming others or society as an external locus of control for their bad acts.

This is utter and complete BS. This is more GOP propaganda. Those GOP politicians don't care about your kids, your family, your job, crime, God, or anything but their own power. And their F-ing guns. But you lap their BS stories up like the rube you are.

A belief or value isn't "propoganda." My beliefs and values are not propaganda. Get a dictionary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where did he get the money to purchase these weapons? They are not cheap. That AR-15 was almost $2K.

If he used a newly opened credit card, that should be a major red flag. In fact, there should probably be a strict restriction on using new lines of credit to purchase firearms and ammo. Probably a very high indication of using the weapon for suicide or a crime.

The gun shop should have been more vigilant. They have the victims' blood on their hand because they wanted a quick buck. Same goes for the NRA and their Republican enablers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How much is that school getting sued?

My daughters elementary school had the following controls.

One way in. Receptionist in bullet proof area with hardwired phone to call 911. She buzz you in. Then you enter bullet proof man trap. She trap you. They also had buzzer to lock all bullet proof classroom doors. Had silent alarms police. Regular active shooter drills. FBI and or local law enforcement consultations. And a cop in parking lot while school open.

While school on camera. We even could lock windows remotely.

JFC. It sounds like a military base.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How much is that school getting sued?

My daughters elementary school had the following controls.

One way in. Receptionist in bullet proof area with hardwired phone to call 911. She buzz you in. Then you enter bullet proof man trap. She trap you. They also had buzzer to lock all bullet proof classroom doors. Had silent alarms police. Regular active shooter drills. FBI and or local law enforcement consultations. And a cop in parking lot while school open.

While school on camera. We even could lock windows remotely.

God what a waste of money. Because the USA can’t keep guns out of the hands of criminals unlike every other developed country in the world which has less than 1/4 levels of guns per capita

[Anonymous]

I just read the victims were all in the same classroom. I can't stop thinking about the surviving kids being alone in a room with their teachers and most of their classmates dead. It literally hurts my heart. And yet, nothing will be done to prevent another one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we blaming everything else, it's the shooter and family that needs to be held accountable they failed

And if the shooter is dead? And if the shooter is an adult is his family still “accountable”? What does that even mean? Are you suggesting that gun owners be licensed, that guns be registered, that gun owners be subject to a mental health evaluation, and that they be required to purchase liability insurance?

Actually that all sounds good. Too bad the republicans will never agree.
I cannot believe my home and car have to have insurance, but a gun owner does not.

A bank almost certainly require you to have property insurance to secure a deed of trust. Otherwise there is no requirement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How much is that school getting sued?

My daughters elementary school had the following controls.

One way in. Receptionist in bullet proof area with hardwired phone to call 911. She buzz you in. Then you enter bullet proof man trap. She trap you. They also had buzzer to lock all bullet proof classroom doors. Had silent alarms police. Regular active shooter drills. FBI and or local law enforcement consultations. And a cop in parking lot while school open.

While school on camera. We even could lock windows remotely.

What school is that? I have never heard of anything lile this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How much is that school getting sued?

My daughters elementary school had the following controls.

One way in. Receptionist in bullet proof area with hardwired phone to call 911. She buzz you in. Then you enter bullet proof man trap. She trap you. They also had buzzer to lock all bullet proof classroom doors. Had silent alarms police. Regular active shooter drills. FBI and or local law enforcement consultations. And a cop in parking lot while school open.

While school on camera. We even could lock windows remotely.

Yeah, I don't think a low income rural - like Robb Elementary - school can afford all that. I mean, it's great that you went to a wealthy school that can afford a friggin man-trap, but vast majority of schools in our country can't do that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:The "added security measures" Reoublicans want basically are just increases in the school to prison pipeline. Meanwhile neither the Sandy Hook shooter nor this shooter actually attended the school. But sure treating the students like criminals is the solution.

And for teachers to have guns.

It sounds like the shooter actually encountered law enforcement before entering the building? I’ll be interested to see why they couldn’t stop him- when even LEOs are unable to stop a shooter with an assault rifle I’m not sure how arming untrained teachers would solve anything.

When I was a teacher I wasn't even allowed to give a cough drop to a student and now teachers should carry guns?? Gee, what could possibly go wrong with that?

Laughable. So teacher now need to have assault rifles with armor piercing rounds because the school security and police were unable to bring the killer down. This is what you get with republicans in control- propaganda and fund raising for children killers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How much is that school getting sued?

My daughters elementary school had the following controls.

One way in. Receptionist in bullet proof area with hardwired phone to call 911. She buzz you in. Then you enter bullet proof man trap. She trap you. They also had buzzer to lock all bullet proof classroom doors. Had silent alarms police. Regular active shooter drills. FBI and or local law enforcement consultations. And a cop in parking lot while school open.

While school on camera. We even could lock windows remotely.

That only works if someone uses the designated entrance. Criminals find other ways to enter buildings all the time.