GT/AAP Appeals

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What would you think about a FSIQ 126 and GBRS of 13?

We have no other test scores to submit as we're moving to FCPS from overseas where they do not do group testing like NNAT and COGAT. I would imagine that the review of a new entering student's file would be done by the same panel doing these reviews, or is that not the case?

I gess different deadlies for the new students coming from overseas?
If that's the initial aplication, I would say fairly good chance. GBRS of 13 is fairly good and FSIQ 126 is not bad, so overall fairly good chance.

Well, we can't submit the file until our child is registered in the county, which won't be until we return to the US this summer. I'm just keeping track of these discussions to see whether it is worthwhile to request that he be reviewed for the program, considering his scores. The appeal threads are the only ones where people list WISC scores, and it's helpful to gauge where he might fall on the continuum.

Another issue to consider is that there appears to be a mini-baby-boom with this year's third graders, which may be why someone mentioned a possible tougher review this year? In each of DS's school years, they have had to add an additional classroom (this was true when we were in the US and when we moved overseas). The headmaster of our current school attributes the mini-boom to post-9/11 babymaking....which I suppose might work out, if you consider that children with a birthdate in Sept/Oct 2002 (today's oldest second graders) would have been conceived in the first few months after the attacks.

[Anonymous]

PP: your DC's GBRS is outstanding. DC's FSIQ score is consistent with many who have been admitted. A plus is that it comes from an individualized test, so the AAP Office will place more weight on that score as an accurate reflection of DC's abilities (versus the CoGat or NNAT, which are group tests).

I certainly would make any decisions based on what you read here. Number 1, we're all just parents speculating, for the most part with no inside knowledge of the process. Number 2, it is a very skewed sample you are seeing. People with higher WISC scores are more likely to publish them here. But I can guarantee what you're seeing here is *not* representative of the broader AAP population.

Finally, please don't place any stock in the rumor that the appeals process is tougher this year. If a couple of thousand AAP admits and a couple of hundred AAP appeals, changing the % found eligible on appeal from 65% to 40% will not havesignificant impact on the overall population.

I'd say ignore the chatter on DC Urban Mom and just go for it -- DC's scores certainly support application to the progrma! Good luck!!

[Anonymous]

Interesting point about the "babyboom." I hadn't even considered that, but you may be right. They had to add an extra 2nd grade teacher to our base school this year and my daughter still has 27 kids in her class.

[Anonymous]

Typo: 2nd paragraph should have read "I certainly would *not* make any decisions based on what you read here." !!

[Anonymous]

I wish the damn letter would arrive so I could be done with this.

[Anonymous]

I totally agree with the previous poster.The one positive is it comes pretty quickly so we can enjoy summer vacation.

[Anonymous]

Seemingly dozens of delusional parents who can't handle the truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting point about the "babyboom." I hadn't even considered that, but you may be right. They had to add an extra 2nd grade teacher to our base school this year and my daughter still has 27 kids in her class.

I think it also depends on where you live and how transient the area is. Our base school 2nd grade is not very big with 22-23 in each class. No extra classes have been needed to be added since Kindergarten. Our center also has classes below 25 in all grades 3rd-6th.

[Anonymous]

Updated list.

1) VCI 127 PRI 149 FSIQ 142 (GAI 146). GBRS 9
NNAT 99% CogAt 98% Mostly O's on report card

2) VCI 148, PRI 145, FSIQ 151. GBRS 7

3) VCI 120, PRI 141, FSIQ 140(GAI 141). GBRS 8. NNAT 140. Cogat 110

4) VCI 129, PRI 130, WMI 112, and PSI 110. GBRS 11

5) VCI 136 PRI 145, FSIQ 146 and GBRS 9

6) VCI 129 and PRI 131, FSIQ 132. GBRS 9

7) VCI 135 PRI 130. GBRS 9

8. VCI 112, PRI 135, WMI 135, PSI 106, FSIQ 129. GBRS 8

9) VCI 126, PRI 112, WMI 126, PSI 115. FSIQ 125. GBRS 11

10) VCI 132, PRI 115, WMI 123, PSI 112. FSIQ 126. GBRS 8

11) FSIQ 132, GBRS 9

12) FSIQ 138, GBRS 9, cogat 128 and NNAT 134

13) VCI 128, PRI 106, WMI 120, PSI 112. GBRS 12

14) VCI 138 PRI 145. GBRS 9

15) VCI 136 PRI 125. GBRS 8

16) FSIQ 146, GBRS 9

17) VCI 138, PRI 123, FSIQ 132

18) VCI 130, PRI 131, WMI 116, PSI 106. FSIQ 129. GBRS 12.

19) VCI 132, PRI 131, FSIQ 131.GBRS 10. DRA2 38.
CogAT 138 Nonverbal, 117 Verbal, 120 Quantitative, NNAT 132.

20) VCI 126, PRI 145, WMI 132, PSI 138. FSIQ 145. GBRS 8.

21) VCI-128, PRI-131, WMI-113, PSI-123, FSIQ-132, GAI-135. GBRS-9

22) VCI 150 PRI 129 GAI 148 FSIQ 142 GBRS 8

23) VCI 148, PRI 145, WMI 141, PSI 126. FSIQ 151. GBRS 7
NNAT 135 COGAT 120

[Anonymous]

Thanks 9:37

[Anonymous]

Again tougher review ting was a hoax by the troll. They don't consider space limitation as part of the selection criteria.
Kids are not competing for a seat. That's against the philosophy of the AAP program.
Their goal is to fairly find all the eligible kids. Space limitation is not a consideration.

[Anonymous]

WOW those are some great scores we are looking at.Congratulations to all!

[Anonymous]

ohh.. Thankyou 9:37.. This can't be better source than anything.. Parents please share your scores and result. So that way parents can view this in future and get atleast some idea.

Some of these are excellent scores ( profoundly gifted ).. This is the reason why FCPS has appeal process.

[Anonymous]

Maybe these scores would be more impressive if these kids weren't ORIGINALLY REJECTED.

[Anonymous]

I am just curious about verbal and non-verbal weight on the AAP decision. I understand VCI is the best indicator, but PRI is the next best indicator. Not all gifted children are gifted in both areas. AAP is for advanced academic, but also to provide the education that can boost creativity and problem-solving skills which are some of the strongest traits of visual learners.

#3 has over 140 on PRI, FSIQ, and NNAT. They are pretty good scores, but I read a couple comments that it may be tough because of not so strong VCI and low GBRS. If VCI and PRI scores were switched, then have much better chance, right?

I also read from another thread that AAP Committee doesn't weigh much on Non-verbal CogAT.

2/3 of gifted children are also introvert that can easily overlooked by teachers. I just feel bad for the highly gifted visual learners who are also introvert can left out in a GE classroom categorized as shy kids. Extrovert kids can do well in GE education, but those introvert kids needs the teacher who understand the difference...

Is there a specific reason AAP is weighing more on Verbal than Non-verbal?