Has Duran gone mad? (APS)

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Anonymous wrote:Very sorry PP. so angry that APS is doing this to teachers for what amounts to DL in school. It is not a magically better instructional option. All it brings is risk. I am keeping my kids home to protect them and teachers. But I know that doesn’t help you. We’re at one of the crazy high hybrid middle schools.

What do you mean it amounts to DL in school? Privates in the area are certainly providing a much better in-person education that the DL garbage we get. (And yes teachers are working very hard, but it doesn't matter how hard you work if it isn't translating to learning. Sure, parents with fancy jobs that can work from home or SAHPs can make DL work. Congrats for you! The vast majority are flailing.) The keep APS closed crowd has not been able to point to any science or research to support their position. They are the anti-science crowd.

Chill. Maybe you are an elementary parent, in that case then DL and hybrid will be different. But for middle and high, the concurrent plan is DL in school. That is very clear. It’s not a debate. Our APS principal made that clear. Privates may do it differently but our principal said in APS the only way they can do concurrent is everyone on devices with headphones. I am a MS parent who was talking to a HS teacher. For 6-12, it will be DL at school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Very sorry PP. so angry that APS is doing this to teachers for what amounts to DL in school. It is not a magically better instructional option. All it brings is risk. I am keeping my kids home to protect them and teachers. But I know that doesn’t help you. We’re at one of the crazy high hybrid middle schools.

What do you mean it amounts to DL in school? Privates in the area are certainly providing a much better in-person education that the DL garbage we get. (And yes teachers are working very hard, but it doesn't matter how hard you work if it isn't translating to learning. Sure, parents with fancy jobs that can work from home or SAHPs can make DL work. Congrats for you! The vast majority are flailing.) The keep APS closed crowd has not been able to point to any science or research to support their position. They are the anti-science crowd.

Chill. Maybe you are an elementary parent, in that case then DL and hybrid will be different. But for middle and high, the concurrent plan is DL in school. That is very clear. It’s not a debate. Our APS principal made that clear. Privates may do it differently but our principal said in APS the only way they can do concurrent is everyone on devices with headphones. I am a MS parent who was talking to a HS teacher. For 6-12, it will be DL at school.

DP. Even if that’s what it looks like, many secondary students would benefit from being in a classroom with an aide who will make sure students stay on task.

[Anonymous]

It will be what it looks like for 6-12. So consider that carefully for your kid in 6-12. Teachers may be in the room (not aides) but they will teach to the device. For concurrent, even at the highest hybrid schools (looking at you WMS) , 65%!or more of the kids will be home for each class under the concurrent model. Teachers have to teach through the device.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Very sorry PP. so angry that APS is doing this to teachers for what amounts to DL in school. It is not a magically better instructional option. All it brings is risk. I am keeping my kids home to protect them and teachers. But I know that doesn’t help you. We’re at one of the crazy high hybrid middle schools.

What do you mean it amounts to DL in school? Privates in the area are certainly providing a much better in-person education that the DL garbage we get. (And yes teachers are working very hard, but it doesn't matter how hard you work if it isn't translating to learning. Sure, parents with fancy jobs that can work from home or SAHPs can make DL work. Congrats for you! The vast majority are flailing.) The keep APS closed crowd has not been able to point to any science or research to support their position. They are the anti-science crowd.

Chill. Maybe you are an elementary parent, in that case then DL and hybrid will be different. But for middle and high, the concurrent plan is DL in school. That is very clear. It’s not a debate. Our APS principal made that clear. Privates may do it differently but our principal said in APS the only way they can do concurrent is everyone on devices with headphones. I am a MS parent who was talking to a HS teacher. For 6-12, it will be DL at school.

DP. Even if that’s what it looks like, many secondary students would benefit from being in a classroom with an aide who will make sure students stay on task.

Aide?? In high school?? Lololol.

If kids come in, I expect them to work. I will tell them to stay on task. If they don’t, i’m too busy teaching the online kids to bother. It’s their choice if they come in and do nothing.

[Anonymous]

Has Northam declared VA teachers as essential yet??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It will be what it looks like for 6-12. So consider that carefully for your kid in 6-12. Teachers may be in the room (not aides) but they will teach to the device. For concurrent, even at the highest hybrid schools (looking at you WMS) , 65%!or more of the kids will be home for each class under the concurrent model. Teachers have to teach through the device.

Yes. I have TWO groups of students to teach at once. My attention cannot be devoted to the few kids in the room exclusively. I can’t go within 6 feet of students or them me. They still need to be independently engaged and on task or hybrid isn’t going to be anymore beneficial to them than at home DL was.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Very sorry PP. so angry that APS is doing this to teachers for what amounts to DL in school. It is not a magically better instructional option. All it brings is risk. I am keeping my kids home to protect them and teachers. But I know that doesn’t help you. We’re at one of the crazy high hybrid middle schools.

What do you mean it amounts to DL in school? Privates in the area are certainly providing a much better in-person education that the DL garbage we get. (And yes teachers are working very hard, but it doesn't matter how hard you work if it isn't translating to learning. Sure, parents with fancy jobs that can work from home or SAHPs can make DL work. Congrats for you! The vast majority are flailing.) The keep APS closed crowd has not been able to point to any science or research to support their position. They are the anti-science crowd.

Chill. Maybe you are an elementary parent, in that case then DL and hybrid will be different. But for middle and high, the concurrent plan is DL in school. That is very clear. It’s not a debate. Our APS principal made that clear. Privates may do it differently but our principal said in APS the only way they can do concurrent is everyone on devices with headphones. I am a MS parent who was talking to a HS teacher. For 6-12, it will be DL at school.

DP. Even if that’s what it looks like, many secondary students would benefit from being in a classroom with an aide who will make sure students stay on task.

Aide?? In high school?? Lololol.

If kids come in, I expect them to work. I will tell them to stay on task. If they don’t, i’m too busy teaching the online kids to bother. It’s their choice if they come in and do nothing.

If you are physically in the classroom, then it will not be the same as distance learning.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It will be what it looks like for 6-12. So consider that carefully for your kid in 6-12. Teachers may be in the room (not aides) but they will teach to the device. For concurrent, even at the highest hybrid schools (looking at you WMS) , 65%!or more of the kids will be home for each class under the concurrent model. Teachers have to teach through the device.

Yes. I have TWO groups of students to teach at once. My attention cannot be devoted to the few kids in the room exclusively. I can’t go within 6 feet of students or them me. They still need to be independently engaged and on task or hybrid isn’t going to be anymore beneficial to them than at home DL was.

So you think kids in hybrid will simply get up and walk away from the desk to look out a window with to the same frequency they do when they’re at home with their cameras off? And that if they do, you’ll be incapable of seeing them and telling them to sit back down?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Very sorry PP. so angry that APS is doing this to teachers for what amounts to DL in school. It is not a magically better instructional option. All it brings is risk. I am keeping my kids home to protect them and teachers. But I know that doesn’t help you. We’re at one of the crazy high hybrid middle schools.

What do you mean it amounts to DL in school? Privates in the area are certainly providing a much better in-person education that the DL garbage we get. (And yes teachers are working very hard, but it doesn't matter how hard you work if it isn't translating to learning. Sure, parents with fancy jobs that can work from home or SAHPs can make DL work. Congrats for you! The vast majority are flailing.) The keep APS closed crowd has not been able to point to any science or research to support their position. They are the anti-science crowd.

Chill. Maybe you are an elementary parent, in that case then DL and hybrid will be different. But for middle and high, the concurrent plan is DL in school. That is very clear. It’s not a debate. Our APS principal made that clear. Privates may do it differently but our principal said in APS the only way they can do concurrent is everyone on devices with headphones. I am a MS parent who was talking to a HS teacher. For 6-12, it will be DL at school.

DP. Even if that’s what it looks like, many secondary students would benefit from being in a classroom with an aide who will make sure students stay on task.

Aide?? In high school?? Lololol.

If kids come in, I expect them to work. I will tell them to stay on task. If they don’t, i’m too busy teaching the online kids to bother. It’s their choice if they come in and do nothing.

If you are physically in the classroom, then it will not be the same as distance learning.

Your kid won’t magically pay attention. It’s just you won’t be the witness any longer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Very sorry PP. so angry that APS is doing this to teachers for what amounts to DL in school. It is not a magically better instructional option. All it brings is risk. I am keeping my kids home to protect them and teachers. But I know that doesn’t help you. We’re at one of the crazy high hybrid middle schools.

What do you mean it amounts to DL in school? Privates in the area are certainly providing a much better in-person education that the DL garbage we get. (And yes teachers are working very hard, but it doesn't matter how hard you work if it isn't translating to learning. Sure, parents with fancy jobs that can work from home or SAHPs can make DL work. Congrats for you! The vast majority are flailing.) The keep APS closed crowd has not been able to point to any science or research to support their position. They are the anti-science crowd.

Chill. Maybe you are an elementary parent, in that case then DL and hybrid will be different. But for middle and high, the concurrent plan is DL in school. That is very clear. It’s not a debate. Our APS principal made that clear. Privates may do it differently but our principal said in APS the only way they can do concurrent is everyone on devices with headphones. I am a MS parent who was talking to a HS teacher. For 6-12, it will be DL at school.

DP. Even if that’s what it looks like, many secondary students would benefit from being in a classroom with an aide who will make sure students stay on task.

Aide?? In high school?? Lololol.

If kids come in, I expect them to work. I will tell them to stay on task. If they don’t, i’m too busy teaching the online kids to bother. It’s their choice if they come in and do nothing.

If you are physically in the classroom, then it will not be the same as distance learning.

I’m a teacher. Yes it will. The training we received said as much. We will present our google meet screen to the smart board. In person kids follow along there the same as at home kids do. When it’s time to work, everyone gets on their own devices and works. Kids have to have earbuds in the whole time to prevent feedback from the projected screen and my mic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It will be what it looks like for 6-12. So consider that carefully for your kid in 6-12. Teachers may be in the room (not aides) but they will teach to the device. For concurrent, even at the highest hybrid schools (looking at you WMS) , 65%!or more of the kids will be home for each class under the concurrent model. Teachers have to teach through the device.

Yes. I have TWO groups of students to teach at once. My attention cannot be devoted to the few kids in the room exclusively. I can’t go within 6 feet of students or them me. They still need to be independently engaged and on task or hybrid isn’t going to be anymore beneficial to them than at home DL was.

So you think kids in hybrid will simply get up and walk away from the desk to look out a window with to the same frequency they do when they’re at home with their cameras off? And that if they do, you’ll be incapable of seeing them and telling them to sit back down?

Lmao what? Kids got up to walk around the room all the time in school. Sat on their phones too. Did you all literally forget or just never really know what normal school looked like??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Very sorry PP. so angry that APS is doing this to teachers for what amounts to DL in school. It is not a magically better instructional option. All it brings is risk. I am keeping my kids home to protect them and teachers. But I know that doesn’t help you. We’re at one of the crazy high hybrid middle schools.

What do you mean it amounts to DL in school? Privates in the area are certainly providing a much better in-person education that the DL garbage we get. (And yes teachers are working very hard, but it doesn't matter how hard you work if it isn't translating to learning. Sure, parents with fancy jobs that can work from home or SAHPs can make DL work. Congrats for you! The vast majority are flailing.) The keep APS closed crowd has not been able to point to any science or research to support their position. They are the anti-science crowd.

Chill. Maybe you are an elementary parent, in that case then DL and hybrid will be different. But for middle and high, the concurrent plan is DL in school. That is very clear. It’s not a debate. Our APS principal made that clear. Privates may do it differently but our principal said in APS the only way they can do concurrent is everyone on devices with headphones. I am a MS parent who was talking to a HS teacher. For 6-12, it will be DL at school.

DP. Even if that’s what it looks like, many secondary students would benefit from being in a classroom with an aide who will make sure students stay on task.

Aide?? In high school?? Lololol.

If kids come in, I expect them to work. I will tell them to stay on task. If they don’t, i’m too busy teaching the online kids to bother. It’s their choice if they come in and do nothing.

If you are physically in the classroom, then it will not be the same as distance learning.

Your kid won’t magically pay attention. It’s just you won’t be the witness any longer.

I’ve laid out for my middle schooler the parade of horribles on what hybrid might be like, and he still really wants to go back. When asked why, he said that even with everyone being in separate rooms with doors closed, he still sometimes hears his sister’s lesson in the next room (especially when she has music or PE) and finds it really distracting in a way that kids on separate tasks in a classroom never was. He said he also finds his mind wanders and he gets off task far more easily sitting at a desk in our guest room (which has nothing but his school stuff in it) than he ever did in a classroom. Even seeing all of the worst case scenarios, he firmly believes he would learn more effectively in the school building than at home.

He also thinks he would manage his time better if his independent/asynchronous work times were in the building where the expectation is that he’d sit at his desk and work during those times than he does at home when there’s accountability during those periods so it’s easy to just take a break and push off the work until after the school day. If I see him downstairs during an asynchronous time, I’ll tell him to go back upstairs and do his schoolwork, but if I’m on a work call and can’t check on him, that doesn’t happen.

He wants to be in the building, even with everything you describe, because he believes he will still learn more effectively there, and he can point to concrete and specific reasons why. It’s hard to argue with that he’s wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It will be what it looks like for 6-12. So consider that carefully for your kid in 6-12. Teachers may be in the room (not aides) but they will teach to the device. For concurrent, even at the highest hybrid schools (looking at you WMS) , 65%!or more of the kids will be home for each class under the concurrent model. Teachers have to teach through the device.

Yes. I have TWO groups of students to teach at once. My attention cannot be devoted to the few kids in the room exclusively. I can’t go within 6 feet of students or them me. They still need to be independently engaged and on task or hybrid isn’t going to be anymore beneficial to them than at home DL was.

So you think kids in hybrid will simply get up and walk away from the desk to look out a window with to the same frequency they do when they’re at home with their cameras off? And that if they do, you’ll be incapable of seeing them and telling them to sit back down?

Lmao what? Kids got up to walk around the room all the time in school. Sat on their phones too. Did you all literally forget or just never really know what normal school looked like??

If that is routinely happening (and the getting up isn’t part of a 504 or something), that’s poor classroom management, not a universal truth.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It will be what it looks like for 6-12. So consider that carefully for your kid in 6-12. Teachers may be in the room (not aides) but they will teach to the device. For concurrent, even at the highest hybrid schools (looking at you WMS) , 65%!or more of the kids will be home for each class under the concurrent model. Teachers have to teach through the device.

Yes. I have TWO groups of students to teach at once. My attention cannot be devoted to the few kids in the room exclusively. I can’t go within 6 feet of students or them me. They still need to be independently engaged and on task or hybrid isn’t going to be anymore beneficial to them than at home DL was.

So you think kids in hybrid will simply get up and walk away from the desk to look out a window with to the same frequency they do when they’re at home with their cameras off? And that if they do, you’ll be incapable of seeing them and telling them to sit back down?

Someone quietly looking out the window? That hardly merits a comment. I am trying to teach the kids below grade level, entertain the more advanced and bored kids, keep the disruptive kids in line, address whatever administrative task has come down the pipe, and put out other random fires. I love these IEPs which assume teachers are always readily on hand to provide the “gentle nudge” that an ADHD kid needs to get back on task. I am sympathetic. I am ADHD, myself, but I really don’t know what people expect when they assign 30 of kids of widely different levels and various behavior problems to a classroom with a single human supervisor.

[Anonymous]

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He wants to be in the building, even with everything you describe, because he believes he will still learn more effectively there, and he can point to concrete and specific reasons why. It’s hard to argue with that he’s wrong.

Sure, it's hard...but somebody on this board will still find a way to throw a temper tantrum and argue that he's wrong.