Has Duran gone mad? (APS)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Timely reporting from WaPo:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/school-coronavirus-spread/2020/12/29/bbfac9d8-3697-11eb-a997-1f4c53d2a747_story.html

Wow. This is really irresponsible journalism.

How so? Does it misrepresent the data?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Timely reporting from WaPo:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/school-coronavirus-spread/2020/12/29/bbfac9d8-3697-11eb-a997-1f4c53d2a747_story.html

Wow. This is really irresponsible journalism.

How so? Does it misrepresent the data?

When community spread is low, transmission in schools is low.

When community spread is high, as it is everywhere, it is high in schools because schools reflect the community spread.

It is irresponsible not to note this. This article essentially says in a country that looks nothing like the current US with much better stats than we have and more stringent testing and reporting, schools could be safe. That is not us though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Timely reporting from WaPo:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/school-coronavirus-spread/2020/12/29/bbfac9d8-3697-11eb-a997-1f4c53d2a747_story.html

Wow. This is really irresponsible journalism.

How so? Does it misrepresent the data?

When community spread is low, transmission in schools is low.

When community spread is high, as it is everywhere, it is high in schools because schools reflect the community spread.

It is irresponsible not to note this. This article essentially says in a country that looks nothing like the current US with much better stats than we have and more stringent testing and reporting, schools could be safe. That is not us though.

Lots of schools in the US have reopened, is there data indicating that those schools have been sources of spread when masking and social distancing are used? All of the early stories that I can remembered of case spikes were in schools that didn’t take those steps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Timely reporting from WaPo:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/school-coronavirus-spread/2020/12/29/bbfac9d8-3697-11eb-a997-1f4c53d2a747_story.html

Wow. This is really irresponsible journalism.

How so? Does it misrepresent the data?

When community spread is low, transmission in schools is low.

When community spread is high, as it is everywhere, it is high in schools because schools reflect the community spread.

It is irresponsible not to note this. This article essentially says in a country that looks nothing like the current US with much better stats than we have and more stringent testing and reporting, schools could be safe. That is not us though.

The article does provide caveats up front about the limits of the data.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Timely reporting from WaPo:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/school-coronavirus-spread/2020/12/29/bbfac9d8-3697-11eb-a997-1f4c53d2a747_story.html

Wow. This is really irresponsible journalism.

How so? Does it misrepresent the data?

When community spread is low, transmission in schools is low.

When community spread is high, as it is everywhere, it is high in schools because schools reflect the community spread.

It is irresponsible not to note this. This article essentially says in a country that looks nothing like the current US with much better stats than we have and more stringent testing and reporting, schools could be safe. That is not us though.

Lots of schools in the US have reopened, is there data indicating that those schools have been sources of spread when masking and social distancing are used? All of the early stories that I can remembered of case spikes were in schools that didn’t take those steps.

Look I’m not trying to be antagonistic but I am worn out trying to convince people of this. It is out of my hands. I’m a teacher, I’m going in because I don’t have the choice not to. If YOU have the choice to NOT send your kids, you should take it. Because a January return is the worst possible option. We have no mandated routine testing, no surveillance testing, mask exemptions in schools and admin doing contact tracing which is only as accurate as parents who know their kids were actually positive AND reported it. Otherwise, you’re sending your kid by choice into a building with plenty of asymptomatic carriers and rolling the dice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Timely reporting from WaPo:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/school-coronavirus-spread/2020/12/29/bbfac9d8-3697-11eb-a997-1f4c53d2a747_story.html

Wow. This is really irresponsible journalism.

How so? Does it misrepresent the data?

When community spread is low, transmission in schools is low.

When community spread is high, as it is everywhere, it is high in schools because schools reflect the community spread.

It is irresponsible not to note this. This article essentially says in a country that looks nothing like the current US with much better stats than we have and more stringent testing and reporting, schools could be safe. That is not us though.

The article does provide caveats up front about the limits of the data.

And yet the headline, which most people read, does not

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Timely reporting from WaPo:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/school-coronavirus-spread/2020/12/29/bbfac9d8-3697-11eb-a997-1f4c53d2a747_story.html

Wow. This is really irresponsible journalism.

How so? Does it misrepresent the data?

When community spread is low, transmission in schools is low.

When community spread is high, as it is everywhere, it is high in schools because schools reflect the community spread.

It is irresponsible not to note this. This article essentially says in a country that looks nothing like the current US with much better stats than we have and more stringent testing and reporting, schools could be safe. That is not us though.

I don’t think you read the whole article, because it addresses all of the issues you claim it doesn’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Timely reporting from WaPo:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/school-coronavirus-spread/2020/12/29/bbfac9d8-3697-11eb-a997-1f4c53d2a747_story.html

Wow. This is really irresponsible journalism.

How so? Does it misrepresent the data?

When community spread is low, transmission in schools is low.

When community spread is high, as it is everywhere, it is high in schools because schools reflect the community spread.

It is irresponsible not to note this. This article essentially says in a country that looks nothing like the current US with much better stats than we have and more stringent testing and reporting, schools could be safe. That is not us though.

I don’t think you read the whole article, because it addresses all of the issues you claim it doesn’t.

AND YET people are linking it to justify reopening January as if they don’t understand what the article is actually saying which is HERE it is not safe because HERE is a dumpster fire . I was explaining what the article is attempting to convey to people who think it means the opposite .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Timely reporting from WaPo:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/school-coronavirus-spread/2020/12/29/bbfac9d8-3697-11eb-a997-1f4c53d2a747_story.html

Wow. This is really irresponsible journalism.

How so? Does it misrepresent the data?

When community spread is low, transmission in schools is low.

When community spread is high, as it is everywhere, it is high in schools because schools reflect the community spread.

It is irresponsible not to note this. This article essentially says in a country that looks nothing like the current US with much better stats than we have and more stringent testing and reporting, schools could be safe. That is not us though.

I don’t think you read the whole article, because it addresses all of the issues you claim it doesn’t.

AND YET people are linking it to justify reopening January as if they don’t understand what the article is actually saying which is HERE it is not safe because HERE is a dumpster fire . I was explaining what the article is attempting to convey to people who think it means the opposite .

Um, the person who posted it here didn’t offer any commentary other than that it’s timely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Timely reporting from WaPo:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/school-coronavirus-spread/2020/12/29/bbfac9d8-3697-11eb-a997-1f4c53d2a747_story.html

Wow. This is really irresponsible journalism.

How so? Does it misrepresent the data?

When community spread is low, transmission in schools is low.

When community spread is high, as it is everywhere, it is high in schools because schools reflect the community spread.

It is irresponsible not to note this. This article essentially says in a country that looks nothing like the current US with much better stats than we have and more stringent testing and reporting, schools could be safe. That is not us though.

The article does provide caveats up front about the limits of the data.

And yet the headline, which most people read, does not

That describes the phenomena of nearly all COVID headlines over the past 10 months. It works both ways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Timely reporting from WaPo:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/school-coronavirus-spread/2020/12/29/bbfac9d8-3697-11eb-a997-1f4c53d2a747_story.html

Wow. This is really irresponsible journalism.

How so? Does it misrepresent the data?

When community spread is low, transmission in schools is low.

When community spread is high, as it is everywhere, it is high in schools because schools reflect the community spread.

It is irresponsible not to note this. This article essentially says in a country that looks nothing like the current US with much better stats than we have and more stringent testing and reporting, schools could be safe. That is not us though.

Lots of schools in the US have reopened, is there data indicating that those schools have been sources of spread when masking and social distancing are used? All of the early stories that I can remembered of case spikes were in schools that didn’t take those steps.

Look I’m not trying to be antagonistic but I am worn out trying to convince people of this. It is out of my hands. I’m a teacher, I’m going in because I don’t have the choice not to. If YOU have the choice to NOT send your kids, you should take it. Because a January return is the worst possible option. We have no mandated routine testing, no surveillance testing, mask exemptions in schools and admin doing contact tracing which is only as accurate as parents who know their kids were actually positive AND reported it. Otherwise, you’re sending your kid by choice into a building with plenty of asymptomatic carriers and rolling the dice.

Don’t forget no cohorting in 6-12. That’s another recommended practice we are ignoring along with testing and indoor eating in cafeterias!
As for the Wash Post article I completely agree. The headline is irresponsible since community spread is sky high so the article has nothing to do with current conditions. But the Wash Post editorial people are dead set on getting everyone back to school. No matter what. Don’t blame the reporter. It’s a balanced and accurate article. Blame the loopy headline. They never ever lead with the fact that there’s no data on grades 6-12 or that surveillance testing is recommended for those grade levels. They just say the data says it’s safe in schools. But it’s much more nuanced than that. Not safe for 6-12. No evidence. No one cares. Keep your kids home. Even if you have to back out of hybrid. Their health is not APS’s primary concern.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Timely reporting from WaPo:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/school-coronavirus-spread/2020/12/29/bbfac9d8-3697-11eb-a997-1f4c53d2a747_story.html

Wow. This is really irresponsible journalism.

How so? Does it misrepresent the data?

When community spread is low, transmission in schools is low.

When community spread is high, as it is everywhere, it is high in schools because schools reflect the community spread.

It is irresponsible not to note this. This article essentially says in a country that looks nothing like the current US with much better stats than we have and more stringent testing and reporting, schools could be safe. That is not us though.

Lots of schools in the US have reopened, is there data indicating that those schools have been sources of spread when masking and social distancing are used? All of the early stories that I can remembered of case spikes were in schools that didn’t take those steps.

Look I’m not trying to be antagonistic but I am worn out trying to convince people of this. It is out of my hands. I’m a teacher, I’m going in because I don’t have the choice not to. If YOU have the choice to NOT send your kids, you should take it. Because a January return is the worst possible option. We have no mandated routine testing, no surveillance testing, mask exemptions in schools and admin doing contact tracing which is only as accurate as parents who know their kids were actually positive AND reported it. Otherwise, you’re sending your kid by choice into a building with plenty of asymptomatic carriers and rolling the dice.

Don’t forget no cohorting in 6-12. That’s another recommended practice we are ignoring along with testing and indoor eating in cafeterias!
As for the Wash Post article I completely agree. The headline is irresponsible since community spread is sky high so the article has nothing to do with current conditions. But the Wash Post editorial people are dead set on getting everyone back to school. No matter what. Don’t blame the reporter. It’s a balanced and accurate article. Blame the loopy headline. They never ever lead with the fact that there’s no data on grades 6-12 or that surveillance testing is recommended for those grade levels. They just say the data says it’s safe in schools. But it’s much more nuanced than that. Not safe for 6-12. No evidence. No one cares. Keep your kids home. Even if you have to back out of hybrid. Their health is not APS’s primary concern.

PP here and yes this too. I’m a high school teacher. My students have 8 classes they switch amongst. Clubs, sports, jobs. The data for cohorted elementary and young kids DOES NOT APPLY to the 6-12 context. But, as you say, nobody cares.

[Anonymous]

Very sorry PP. so angry that APS is doing this to teachers for what amounts to DL in school. It is not a magically better instructional option. All it brings is risk. I am keeping my kids home to protect them and teachers. But I know that doesn’t help you. We’re at one of the crazy high hybrid middle schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Very sorry PP. so angry that APS is doing this to teachers for what amounts to DL in school. It is not a magically better instructional option. All it brings is risk. I am keeping my kids home to protect them and teachers. But I know that doesn’t help you. We’re at one of the crazy high hybrid middle schools.

It’s not just APS. It’s all the districts. Meanwhile VA saw 5200 new cases in one day today. It’s fine!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Very sorry PP. so angry that APS is doing this to teachers for what amounts to DL in school. It is not a magically better instructional option. All it brings is risk. I am keeping my kids home to protect them and teachers. But I know that doesn’t help you. We’re at one of the crazy high hybrid middle schools.

What do you mean it amounts to DL in school? Privates in the area are certainly providing a much better in-person education that the DL garbage we get. (And yes teachers are working very hard, but it doesn't matter how hard you work if it isn't translating to learning. Sure, parents with fancy jobs that can work from home or SAHPs can make DL work. Congrats for you! The vast majority are flailing.) The keep APS closed crowd has not been able to point to any science or research to support their position. They are the anti-science crowd.