Antizionism is not antisemitism/the current conflict

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Anonymous wrote:The IDF is still bombing Gaza. They did so again today and killed their 186th journalist and more woman and children. Enough.

https://metro.co.uk/2025/06/30/idf-kills-women-children-gaza-beachfront-cafe-bombing-23543840/

No one is denying that innocent people are being killed. Israel is fighting a war that Hamas started, and Hamas is losing that war. In war, lots of innocent people die. Comparisons to Nazi Germany are ridiculous and antisemitic.

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Anonymous wrote:Opinions are open to interpretation unless you clarify the basis behind the opinion, you may be misinterpreting a statement.

Got it, so I can’t ever assume a statement is antisemitic without interviewing the person who made it and asking if they personally intended for it to be antisemitic. I have news for you, 9/10 antisemites would deny their intent.

If someone said “MLK Jr. = Hitler” I think it would be fair to assume that person is racist. I’m not going to approach that person and be like “oh do you mean because they both have mustaches?” Please.

I don’t agree with you. You cannot assume to just know the intent behind a statement/opinion that’s not your own. Quickly calling a person antisemitic based on a statement seems hasty and defeatist.

Don’t bother. They’re just a block captain for the “tar everything critical of Israel as anti-semitism” brigade and the “tell others what they REALLY think when the truth hits too close to home” lynch mob.

Unserious people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Opinions are open to interpretation unless you clarify the basis behind the opinion, you may be misinterpreting a statement.

Got it, so I can’t ever assume a statement is antisemitic without interviewing the person who made it and asking if they personally intended for it to be antisemitic. I have news for you, 9/10 antisemites would deny their intent.

If someone said “MLK Jr. = Hitler” I think it would be fair to assume that person is racist. I’m not going to approach that person and be like “oh do you mean because they both have mustaches?” Please.

I don’t agree with you. You cannot assume to just know the intent behind a statement/opinion that’s not your own. Quickly calling a person antisemitic based on a statement seems hasty and defeatist.

Don’t bother. They’re just a block captain for the “tar everything critical of Israel as anti-semitism” brigade and the “tell others what they REALLY think when the truth hits too close to home” lynch mob.

Unserious people.

If I criticize China am I antiAsian? If I criticize Venezuela’s government does that make me anti Hispanic? If I criticize the Catholic Church am I anti Christian?

[Anonymous]

Antisemitism encompasses so much and can be interpreted so differently especially amongst ignorant idiotic nonjews.

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Anonymous wrote:Opinions are open to interpretation unless you clarify the basis behind the opinion, you may be misinterpreting a statement.

Got it, so I can’t ever assume a statement is antisemitic without interviewing the person who made it and asking if they personally intended for it to be antisemitic. I have news for you, 9/10 antisemites would deny their intent.

If someone said “MLK Jr. = Hitler” I think it would be fair to assume that person is racist. I’m not going to approach that person and be like “oh do you mean because they both have mustaches?” Please.

I don’t agree with you. You cannot assume to just know the intent behind a statement/opinion that’s not your own. Quickly calling a person antisemitic based on a statement seems hasty and defeatist.

Don’t bother. They’re just a block captain for the “tar everything critical of Israel as anti-semitism” brigade and the “tell others what they REALLY think when the truth hits too close to home” lynch mob.

Unserious people.

It’s so ironic, really. Antizionists accuse Jews of declaring any and all criticism of Israel to be antisemitic in order to shut down conversation. But this just isn’t a thing that happens. It’s a strawman you’ve invented. In fact, I haven’t seen a single instance of it on this entire 45-page thread. Have you? If so, please copy and paste. All I’ve seen here so far is people identifying specifically antisemitic behavior as antisemitic - e.g., comparing Israel to Nazi Germany or saying the state of Israel should be dismantled. In fact, that’s the entire point of the OP.

On the flip side, antizionists CONSTANTLY say blatantly antisemitic things and then as soon as they are confronted about it, go “you’re trying to silence me by crying antisemitism!!!” I have seen like, 30 instances of this on this thread alone. It’s a transparent diversionary tactic, and it’s not fooling anyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Opinions are open to interpretation unless you clarify the basis behind the opinion, you may be misinterpreting a statement.

Got it, so I can’t ever assume a statement is antisemitic without interviewing the person who made it and asking if they personally intended for it to be antisemitic. I have news for you, 9/10 antisemites would deny their intent.

If someone said “MLK Jr. = Hitler” I think it would be fair to assume that person is racist. I’m not going to approach that person and be like “oh do you mean because they both have mustaches?” Please.

I don’t agree with you. You cannot assume to just know the intent behind a statement/opinion that’s not your own. Quickly calling a person antisemitic based on a statement seems hasty and defeatist.

Don’t bother. They’re just a block captain for the “tar everything critical of Israel as anti-semitism” brigade and the “tell others what they REALLY think when the truth hits too close to home” lynch mob.

Unserious people.

If I criticize China am I antiAsian? If I criticize Venezuela’s government does that make me anti Hispanic? If I criticize the Catholic Church am I anti Christian?

First of all, Hispanics/Catholics haven’t historically been persecuted in the same way as Jews. The context is a little different. Also, literally NO ONE, again NO ONE, is saying any and all criticism of the Israeli government is antisemitic.

I can’t really think of any historical analogues to the Holocaust for the groups you mentioned. But yeah, if you said the entire country of China should be dismantled because of the Chinese government’s treatment of Uyghurs (setting aside that that’s a very different situation from Israel/Palestine) I would regard you with suspicion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The IDF is still bombing Gaza. They did so again today and killed their 186th journalist and more woman and children. Enough.

https://metro.co.uk/2025/06/30/idf-kills-women-children-gaza-beachfront-cafe-bombing-23543840/

No one is denying that innocent people are being killed. Israel is fighting a war that Hamas started, and Hamas is losing that war. In war, lots of innocent people die. Comparisons to Nazi Germany are ridiculous and antisemitic.

Please. There are rules even for warfare and this is so outside the rules that has been found to violate human rights. I know your slogan of Israel is just defending itself is effective but finally the rest of the world is opening its eyes to the vicious hate filled actions of the Israeli Zionist government and the IDF.

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Seems like we've got avid readers of this author on the thread

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Anonymous wrote:Over the decades, Palestinians have repeatedly pursued peaceful and nonviolent paths toward a just resolution with Israel — including diplomacy through the PLO’s recognition of Israel in 1988, participation in peace talks like Oslo and Camp David, grassroots nonviolent protests in places like Bil’in and Sheikh Jarrah, civil society initiatives for coexistence, and appeals to international law and the UN. Despite these efforts, continued occupation, settlement expansion, and lack of political progress have undermined peaceful strategies and fueled cycles of frustration.

Yeah see the thing about nonviolence is it kind of has to be your EXCLUSIVE approach. If “civil society initiatives” and “nonviolent protests” (both of which I wholeheartedly support) happen ALONGSIDE constant terrorism, they’re not going to have an effect. For reference, Oslo was in 1993 and Camp David was in 2000. In 1994 there were 26 terrorist attacks in Israel and in 2001 there were 118: https://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/terrisraelsum.html.

Thank you for dictating “the rules” …

Now, then. Please apply them to the attitudes and actual conduct of Zionists pre-1948 and report back to us.

I’m assuming we will hear from you that non-violence was the exclusive approach toward “getting what the Zionists wanted”, yeah?

That’s what I thought. Hypocrite.

DP. I don’t think anyone would really defend the conduct of the Irgun and other Jewish militias in Mandatory Palestine today, but let’s not pretend that it was only “Zionists” engaging in violence and terrorism then. There was basically a civil war within the territory for years under the British.

Sadly, you’re mistaken. There are PLENTY of people that defend it, excuse it, obfuscate the facts to dismiss criticism of what they did, and worse - I’ve personally observed posters in these threads justifying it.

To be honest, my use of the word “conduct” in lieu of what more appropriately describes what they did (committed heinous acts of terrorism) is a representative example of how badly Zionists has distorted the history.

We don’t talk about Nazi “conduct”. Why TF am I identifying what those groups did (and yes, they did far worse than their Arab contemporaries did) as mere misconduct? Because of the revisionist history that the West has been selling about Israel’s establishment for decades.

Stop comparing Israel to Nazi Germany. Holocaust inversion is antisemitic and beyond that it’s just lazy.

Contrary to what you apparently believe, you are not the authority to dictate what is and what isn’t a suitable comparison.

I know you think you can control what can and what cannot be said by smearing others as anti-semitic, but that ship has sailed, kemosabe.

I mean, I do think Jews get to define what antisemitism is actually. Do you think white people should define anti-black racism? Should men get to define misogyny? People who consider themselves progressive generally hold that those who do not experience racism need to listen, to learn, to accept and not challenge, when others speak about their experiences. Except where Jews are involved. Non-Jews are still very happy to tell Jews whether or not things said about them are antisemitic.

Holocaust inversion is antisemitic, full stop. There is a reason you’re invoking the Nazis and not, say, Stalin or Pol Pot or George W. Bush. And it’s not because the Holocaust is most analogous to the situation in Gaza (it is so, so, so not - as Deborah Lipstadt has said, comparisons to the Nazis “elevate by a factor of a zillion any wrongdoings Israel might have done, and lessen by a factor of a zillion what the Germans did”). It’s because you know invoking Nazis will inflict the greatest amount of psychic harm on Jews. That’s WHY you do it. That’s why use Jews’ own tragic history as a weapon to beat them with.

It’s presumptuous to try to tell someone what they mean and believe. Perhaps allow the person to explain the meaning behind what they are saying before jumping to malicious conclusions.

It’s presumptuous to tell a Jew they can’t recognize antisemitism when it’s plainly staring them in the face. Regardless of this person’s individual intent, I am telling you comparisons to the Nazis are antisemitic.

If you compared Black Lives Matter activists to southern white lynch mobs, I’m pretty sure people would accurately call you out as racist, even if there are very, very broadly speaking similarities between the two (they have both been involved in violence).

Your comparison is repulsive.

BLM protests : lynch mobs against the backdrop of slavery in this country = Israeli atrocities : Nazi atrocities?

Are you f^cking serious?

YOUR comparison is repulsive, my friend. Hamas started a war; Israel is fighting that war to try to defeat them. Have they committed human rights violations? Probably. Every modern military has and does, including the US military. That doesn’t make them equivalent to NAZI GERMANY. Their intention is not to annihilate the Palestinians. If it is, they’re doing a spectacularly bad job of it despite their obvious military superiority. In fact, in EIGHTY YEARS of war, 135,000 Palestinians, roughly nine tenths of one percent of Palestinians have been killed.

You are comparing that conflict to the Holocaust, an intentional genocide which wiped out six million Jews, roughly one third of the global Jewish population. It’s a gross comparison. It’s not accurate, it doesn’t advance the discourse in any way, and it’s intended to minimize Jews’ own tragedy and use it against them. Stop it already.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Opinions are open to interpretation unless you clarify the basis behind the opinion, you may be misinterpreting a statement.

Got it, so I can’t ever assume a statement is antisemitic without interviewing the person who made it and asking if they personally intended for it to be antisemitic. I have news for you, 9/10 antisemites would deny their intent.

If someone said “MLK Jr. = Hitler” I think it would be fair to assume that person is racist. I’m not going to approach that person and be like “oh do you mean because they both have mustaches?” Please.

I don’t agree with you. You cannot assume to just know the intent behind a statement/opinion that’s not your own. Quickly calling a person antisemitic based on a statement seems hasty and defeatist.

Don’t bother. They’re just a block captain for the “tar everything critical of Israel as anti-semitism” brigade and the “tell others what they REALLY think when the truth hits too close to home” lynch mob.

Unserious people.

If I criticize China am I antiAsian? If I criticize Venezuela’s government does that make me anti Hispanic? If I criticize the Catholic Church am I anti Christian?

First of all, Hispanics/Catholics haven’t historically been persecuted in the same way as Jews. The context is a little different. Also, literally NO ONE, again NO ONE, is saying any and all criticism of the Israeli government is antisemitic.

I can’t really think of any historical analogues to the Holocaust for the groups you mentioned. But yeah, if you said the entire country of China should be dismantled because of the Chinese government’s treatment of Uyghurs (setting aside that that’s a very different situation from Israel/Palestine) I would regard you with suspicion.

The only people on earth who are entitled to be offended over criticism over a foreign nation’s politics, religion, and being mostly white are Jews correct? Negativity towards any of these things encompass potential antisemitism. We aren’t responsible for the Holocaust.

[Anonymous]

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Seems like we've got avid readers of this author on the thread

“Shut up Jew” is not an argument. Nice try though.

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Anonymous wrote:Over the decades, Palestinians have repeatedly pursued peaceful and nonviolent paths toward a just resolution with Israel — including diplomacy through the PLO’s recognition of Israel in 1988, participation in peace talks like Oslo and Camp David, grassroots nonviolent protests in places like Bil’in and Sheikh Jarrah, civil society initiatives for coexistence, and appeals to international law and the UN. Despite these efforts, continued occupation, settlement expansion, and lack of political progress have undermined peaceful strategies and fueled cycles of frustration.

Yeah see the thing about nonviolence is it kind of has to be your EXCLUSIVE approach. If “civil society initiatives” and “nonviolent protests” (both of which I wholeheartedly support) happen ALONGSIDE constant terrorism, they’re not going to have an effect. For reference, Oslo was in 1993 and Camp David was in 2000. In 1994 there were 26 terrorist attacks in Israel and in 2001 there were 118: https://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/terrisraelsum.html.

Thank you for dictating “the rules” …

Now, then. Please apply them to the attitudes and actual conduct of Zionists pre-1948 and report back to us.

I’m assuming we will hear from you that non-violence was the exclusive approach toward “getting what the Zionists wanted”, yeah?

That’s what I thought. Hypocrite.

DP. I don’t think anyone would really defend the conduct of the Irgun and other Jewish militias in Mandatory Palestine today, but let’s not pretend that it was only “Zionists” engaging in violence and terrorism then. There was basically a civil war within the territory for years under the British.

Sadly, you’re mistaken. There are PLENTY of people that defend it, excuse it, obfuscate the facts to dismiss criticism of what they did, and worse - I’ve personally observed posters in these threads justifying it.

To be honest, my use of the word “conduct” in lieu of what more appropriately describes what they did (committed heinous acts of terrorism) is a representative example of how badly Zionists has distorted the history.

We don’t talk about Nazi “conduct”. Why TF am I identifying what those groups did (and yes, they did far worse than their Arab contemporaries did) as mere misconduct? Because of the revisionist history that the West has been selling about Israel’s establishment for decades.

Stop comparing Israel to Nazi Germany. Holocaust inversion is antisemitic and beyond that it’s just lazy.

Contrary to what you apparently believe, you are not the authority to dictate what is and what isn’t a suitable comparison.

I know you think you can control what can and what cannot be said by smearing others as anti-semitic, but that ship has sailed, kemosabe.

I mean, I do think Jews get to define what antisemitism is actually. Do you think white people should define anti-black racism? Should men get to define misogyny? People who consider themselves progressive generally hold that those who do not experience racism need to listen, to learn, to accept and not challenge, when others speak about their experiences. Except where Jews are involved. Non-Jews are still very happy to tell Jews whether or not things said about them are antisemitic.

Holocaust inversion is antisemitic, full stop. There is a reason you’re invoking the Nazis and not, say, Stalin or Pol Pot or George W. Bush. And it’s not because the Holocaust is most analogous to the situation in Gaza (it is so, so, so not - as Deborah Lipstadt has said, comparisons to the Nazis “elevate by a factor of a zillion any wrongdoings Israel might have done, and lessen by a factor of a zillion what the Germans did”). It’s because you know invoking Nazis will inflict the greatest amount of psychic harm on Jews. That’s WHY you do it. That’s why use Jews’ own tragic history as a weapon to beat them with.

It’s presumptuous to try to tell someone what they mean and believe. Perhaps allow the person to explain the meaning behind what they are saying before jumping to malicious conclusions.

It’s presumptuous to tell a Jew they can’t recognize antisemitism when it’s plainly staring them in the face. Regardless of this person’s individual intent, I am telling you comparisons to the Nazis are antisemitic.

If you compared Black Lives Matter activists to southern white lynch mobs, I’m pretty sure people would accurately call you out as racist, even if there are very, very broadly speaking similarities between the two (they have both been involved in violence).

Your comparison is repulsive.

BLM protests : lynch mobs against the backdrop of slavery in this country = Israeli atrocities : Nazi atrocities?

Are you f^cking serious?

YOUR comparison is repulsive, my friend. Hamas started a war; Israel is fighting that war to try to defeat them. Have they committed human rights violations? Probably. Every modern military has and does, including the US military. That doesn’t make them equivalent to NAZI GERMANY. Their intention is not to annihilate the Palestinians. If it is, they’re doing a spectacularly bad job of it despite their obvious military superiority. In fact, in EIGHTY YEARS of war, 135,000 Palestinians, roughly nine tenths of one percent of Palestinians have been killed.

You are comparing that conflict to the Holocaust, an intentional genocide which wiped out six million Jews, roughly one third of the global Jewish population. It’s a gross comparison. It’s not accurate, it doesn’t advance the discourse in any way, and it’s intended to minimize Jews’ own tragedy and use it against them. Stop it already.

Are you denying that there is no genocide in Gaza?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The IDF is still bombing Gaza. They did so again today and killed their 186th journalist and more woman and children. Enough.

https://metro.co.uk/2025/06/30/idf-kills-women-children-gaza-beachfront-cafe-bombing-23543840/

No one is denying that innocent people are being killed. Israel is fighting a war that Hamas started, and Hamas is losing that war. In war, lots of innocent people die. Comparisons to Nazi Germany are ridiculous and antisemitic.

This is a remarkably biased (and wrong) assertion. But you're likely one of those people who thinks this all 'started' on October 7th.

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Anonymous wrote:Opinions are open to interpretation unless you clarify the basis behind the opinion, you may be misinterpreting a statement.

Got it, so I can’t ever assume a statement is antisemitic without interviewing the person who made it and asking if they personally intended for it to be antisemitic. I have news for you, 9/10 antisemites would deny their intent.

If someone said “MLK Jr. = Hitler” I think it would be fair to assume that person is racist. I’m not going to approach that person and be like “oh do you mean because they both have mustaches?” Please.

I don’t agree with you. You cannot assume to just know the intent behind a statement/opinion that’s not your own. Quickly calling a person antisemitic based on a statement seems hasty and defeatist.

Don’t bother. They’re just a block captain for the “tar everything critical of Israel as anti-semitism” brigade and the “tell others what they REALLY think when the truth hits too close to home” lynch mob.

Unserious people.

It’s so ironic, really. Antizionists accuse Jews of declaring any and all criticism of Israel to be antisemitic in order to shut down conversation. But this just isn’t a thing that happens. It’s a strawman you’ve invented. In fact, I haven’t seen a single instance of it on this entire 45-page thread. Have you? If so, please copy and paste. All I’ve seen here so far is people identifying specifically antisemitic behavior as antisemitic - e.g., comparing Israel to Nazi Germany or saying the state of Israel should be dismantled. In fact, that’s the entire point of the OP.

On the flip side, antizionists CONSTANTLY say blatantly antisemitic things and then as soon as they are confronted about it, go “you’re trying to silence me by crying antisemitism!!!” I have seen like, 30 instances of this on this thread alone. It’s a transparent diversionary tactic, and it’s not fooling anyone.

+1. for all the supposed overreach I have seen few examples of it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The IDF is still bombing Gaza. They did so again today and killed their 186th journalist and more woman and children. Enough.

https://metro.co.uk/2025/06/30/idf-kills-women-children-gaza-beachfront-cafe-bombing-23543840/

No one is denying that innocent people are being killed. Israel is fighting a war that Hamas started, and Hamas is losing that war. In war, lots of innocent people die. Comparisons to Nazi Germany are ridiculous and antisemitic.

This is a remarkably biased (and wrong) assertion. But you're likely one of those people who thinks this all 'started' on October 7th.

The current war in Gaza incontrovertibly started on 10/7. You think this would be happening with no 10/7?