Petition: Later MCPS school start times

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Signed the petition when it came out. Ignore the distracting "parenting" comments. (My 8th grader gets herself up and out on time but it wasn't parenting, she's just like that.) The issue is whether it's OK for her and other teens to be getting up so early. In terms of health and learning. And it isn't! Agitating for this change is appropriate, and good parenting.

Why doesn’t she go to bed earlier if she needs more sleep?

Adolescent circadian rhythms make it difficult. Why doesn't your cat open his own cans of food?

The astrological implications combined with the biorhythmic resonance on their chakras make it real hard to get up in the morning.

There are a lot of NIH Pubmed citations of the adolescent circadian rhythms already posted in this thread. Where are your citations? Or do you like to just make up stuff in a futile attempt to confuse people?

I agree that children of all ages need adequate sleep.

Very true! Younger children naturally wake up earlier than older kids. Parents of teens, or at least those that pay attention, know this regardless of whether they've read any studies.

Or, we simply parent by telling our kids to go to bed and enforcing it.

Because it's so easy to change brain chemistry.

It's called parenting. No wonder kids are behaving as they are. Parents would rather make excuses than deal with it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Signed the petition when it came out. Ignore the distracting "parenting" comments. (My 8th grader gets herself up and out on time but it wasn't parenting, she's just like that.) The issue is whether it's OK for her and other teens to be getting up so early. In terms of health and learning. And it isn't! Agitating for this change is appropriate, and good parenting.

Why doesn’t she go to bed earlier if she needs more sleep?

Adolescent circadian rhythms make it difficult. Why doesn't your cat open his own cans of food?

The astrological implications combined with the biorhythmic resonance on their chakras make it real hard to get up in the morning.

There are a lot of NIH Pubmed citations of the adolescent circadian rhythms already posted in this thread. Where are your citations? Or do you like to just make up stuff in a futile attempt to confuse people?

I agree that children of all ages need adequate sleep.

Very true! Younger children naturally wake up earlier than older kids. Parents of teens, or at least those that pay attention, know this regardless of whether they've read any studies.

Or, we simply parent by telling our kids to go to bed and enforcing it.

How old are your kids? Either your kids are young, or your kids are unusually obedient, or your kids are fooling you, or you know there's actually nothing simple about it.

DP.
I have a middle schooler and a senior. Both get 8+ hours of sleep. (It helps that phones stayed in my room for the first couple years for each, building the habit of not texting at midnight or 2am.)

If school is later, then my high schooler will be doing her sport and clubs later into the evening. That will push her homework and bedtime back and she’ll end up getting less sleep than she does now.

It just seems… easier to enforce bedtimes than forcing an entire district to change so students can stay up later.

If the start time was later, your dd would be able to sleep in later, so there’s no reason why she’d get less sleep. Just be a parent and enforce whatever sleep schedule she needs to be on.

Why should kids who aren’t in sports (the majority of students) operate on a schedule that suits your dd?

[Anonymous]

I wish all kids could start at 9 but I know that’s not possible. Us teachers would appreciate it too. Of course kids will find reasons to stay up later but man, having your first class at 7:45 is rough. Not to mention because of sports my kid is out f the house for 12 hours a day. I know sports would go later too. Maybe 8/8:30 for everyone would be better

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Signed the petition when it came out. Ignore the distracting "parenting" comments. (My 8th grader gets herself up and out on time but it wasn't parenting, she's just like that.) The issue is whether it's OK for her and other teens to be getting up so early. In terms of health and learning. And it isn't! Agitating for this change is appropriate, and good parenting.

Why doesn’t she go to bed earlier if she needs more sleep?

Adolescent circadian rhythms make it difficult. Why doesn't your cat open his own cans of food?

The astrological implications combined with the biorhythmic resonance on their chakras make it real hard to get up in the morning.

There are a lot of NIH Pubmed citations of the adolescent circadian rhythms already posted in this thread. Where are your citations? Or do you like to just make up stuff in a futile attempt to confuse people?

I agree that children of all ages need adequate sleep.

Very true! Younger children naturally wake up earlier than older kids. Parents of teens, or at least those that pay attention, know this regardless of whether they've read any studies.

Or, we simply parent by telling our kids to go to bed and enforcing it.

How old are your kids? Either your kids are young, or your kids are unusually obedient, or your kids are fooling you, or you know there's actually nothing simple about it.

Neither, we monitor things and doors stay open till they fall asleep. Teens

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Signed the petition when it came out. Ignore the distracting "parenting" comments. (My 8th grader gets herself up and out on time but it wasn't parenting, she's just like that.) The issue is whether it's OK for her and other teens to be getting up so early. In terms of health and learning. And it isn't! Agitating for this change is appropriate, and good parenting.

Why doesn’t she go to bed earlier if she needs more sleep?

Adolescent circadian rhythms make it difficult. Why doesn't your cat open his own cans of food?

The astrological implications combined with the biorhythmic resonance on their chakras make it real hard to get up in the morning.

There are a lot of NIH Pubmed citations of the adolescent circadian rhythms already posted in this thread. Where are your citations? Or do you like to just make up stuff in a futile attempt to confuse people?

I agree that children of all ages need adequate sleep.

Very true! Younger children naturally wake up earlier than older kids. Parents of teens, or at least those that pay attention, know this regardless of whether they've read any studies.

Or, we simply parent by telling our kids to go to bed and enforcing it.

Because it's so easy to change brain chemistry.

It's called parenting. No wonder kids are behaving as they are. Parents would rather make excuses than deal with it.

My definition of "parenting" does not include changing my children's brain chemistry.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Signed the petition when it came out. Ignore the distracting "parenting" comments. (My 8th grader gets herself up and out on time but it wasn't parenting, she's just like that.) The issue is whether it's OK for her and other teens to be getting up so early. In terms of health and learning. And it isn't! Agitating for this change is appropriate, and good parenting.

Why doesn’t she go to bed earlier if she needs more sleep?

Adolescent circadian rhythms make it difficult. Why doesn't your cat open his own cans of food?

The astrological implications combined with the biorhythmic resonance on their chakras make it real hard to get up in the morning.

There are a lot of NIH Pubmed citations of the adolescent circadian rhythms already posted in this thread. Where are your citations? Or do you like to just make up stuff in a futile attempt to confuse people?

I agree that children of all ages need adequate sleep.

Very true! Younger children naturally wake up earlier than older kids. Parents of teens, or at least those that pay attention, know this regardless of whether they've read any studies.

Or, we simply parent by telling our kids to go to bed and enforcing it.

Because it's so easy to change brain chemistry.

It's called parenting. No wonder kids are behaving as they are. Parents would rather make excuses than deal with it.

My definition of "parenting" does not include changing my children's brain chemistry.

Then get your kid to a doctor as if they cannot sleep it’s a medical issue….parenting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wish all kids could start at 9 but I know that’s not possible. Us teachers would appreciate it too. Of course kids will find reasons to stay up later but man, having your first class at 7:45 is rough. Not to mention because of sports my kid is out f the house for 12 hours a day. I know sports would go later too. Maybe 8/8:30 for everyone would be better

So, for those of our kids who have long days, they will just be up later as it’s the same hours in a day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Signed the petition when it came out. Ignore the distracting "parenting" comments. (My 8th grader gets herself up and out on time but it wasn't parenting, she's just like that.) The issue is whether it's OK for her and other teens to be getting up so early. In terms of health and learning. And it isn't! Agitating for this change is appropriate, and good parenting.

Why doesn’t she go to bed earlier if she needs more sleep?

Adolescent circadian rhythms make it difficult. Why doesn't your cat open his own cans of food?

The astrological implications combined with the biorhythmic resonance on their chakras make it real hard to get up in the morning.

There are a lot of NIH Pubmed citations of the adolescent circadian rhythms already posted in this thread. Where are your citations? Or do you like to just make up stuff in a futile attempt to confuse people?

I agree that children of all ages need adequate sleep.

Very true! Younger children naturally wake up earlier than older kids. Parents of teens, or at least those that pay attention, know this regardless of whether they've read any studies.

Or, we simply parent by telling our kids to go to bed and enforcing it.

How old are your kids? Either your kids are young, or your kids are unusually obedient, or your kids are fooling you, or you know there's actually nothing simple about it.

DP.
I have a middle schooler and a senior. Both get 8+ hours of sleep. (It helps that phones stayed in my room for the first couple years for each, building the habit of not texting at midnight or 2am.)

If school is later, then my high schooler will be doing her sport and clubs later into the evening. That will push her homework and bedtime back and she’ll end up getting less sleep than she does now.

It just seems… easier to enforce bedtimes than forcing an entire district to change so students can stay up later.

If the start time was later, your dd would be able to sleep in later, so there’s no reason why she’d get less sleep. Just be a parent and enforce whatever sleep schedule she needs to be on.

Why should kids who aren’t in sports (the majority of students) operate on a schedule that suits your dd?

They would go to bed later as everything would get pushed back later. Maybe you should put up your kids in activities. It’s not just sports that kids ate out late for.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Signed the petition when it came out. Ignore the distracting "parenting" comments. (My 8th grader gets herself up and out on time but it wasn't parenting, she's just like that.) The issue is whether it's OK for her and other teens to be getting up so early. In terms of health and learning. And it isn't! Agitating for this change is appropriate, and good parenting.

Why doesn’t she go to bed earlier if she needs more sleep?

Adolescent circadian rhythms make it difficult. Why doesn't your cat open his own cans of food?

The astrological implications combined with the biorhythmic resonance on their chakras make it real hard to get up in the morning.

There are a lot of NIH Pubmed citations of the adolescent circadian rhythms already posted in this thread. Where are your citations? Or do you like to just make up stuff in a futile attempt to confuse people?

I agree that children of all ages need adequate sleep.

Very true! Younger children naturally wake up earlier than older kids. Parents of teens, or at least those that pay attention, know this regardless of whether they've read any studies.

Or, we simply parent by telling our kids to go to bed and enforcing it.

How old are your kids? Either your kids are young, or your kids are unusually obedient, or your kids are fooling you, or you know there's actually nothing simple about it.

DP.
I have a middle schooler and a senior. Both get 8+ hours of sleep. (It helps that phones stayed in my room for the first couple years for each, building the habit of not texting at midnight or 2am.)

If school is later, then my high schooler will be doing her sport and clubs later into the evening. That will push her homework and bedtime back and she’ll end up getting less sleep than she does now.

It just seems… easier to enforce bedtimes than forcing an entire district to change so students can stay up later.

If the start time was later, your dd would be able to sleep in later, so there’s no reason why she’d get less sleep. Just be a parent and enforce whatever sleep schedule she needs to be on.

Why should kids who aren’t in sports (the majority of students) operate on a schedule that suits your dd?

They would go to bed later as everything would get pushed back later. Maybe you should put up your kids in activities. It’s not just sports that kids ate out late for.

Yes, the schedule would be more in line with the majority of students’ needs if they could sleep during the hours most conducive to their health. Parenting can solve this conundrum for you. You can just force your kids to adjust to a new sleep schedule. It’s called parenting. Just reprogram your kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Signed the petition when it came out. Ignore the distracting "parenting" comments. (My 8th grader gets herself up and out on time but it wasn't parenting, she's just like that.) The issue is whether it's OK for her and other teens to be getting up so early. In terms of health and learning. And it isn't! Agitating for this change is appropriate, and good parenting.

Why doesn’t she go to bed earlier if she needs more sleep?

Adolescent circadian rhythms make it difficult. Why doesn't your cat open his own cans of food?

The astrological implications combined with the biorhythmic resonance on their chakras make it real hard to get up in the morning.

There are a lot of NIH Pubmed citations of the adolescent circadian rhythms already posted in this thread. Where are your citations? Or do you like to just make up stuff in a futile attempt to confuse people?

I agree that children of all ages need adequate sleep.

Very true! Younger children naturally wake up earlier than older kids. Parents of teens, or at least those that pay attention, know this regardless of whether they've read any studies.

Or, we simply parent by telling our kids to go to bed and enforcing it.

How old are your kids? Either your kids are young, or your kids are unusually obedient, or your kids are fooling you, or you know there's actually nothing simple about it.

DP.
I have a middle schooler and a senior. Both get 8+ hours of sleep. (It helps that phones stayed in my room for the first couple years for each, building the habit of not texting at midnight or 2am.)

If school is later, then my high schooler will be doing her sport and clubs later into the evening. That will push her homework and bedtime back and she’ll end up getting less sleep than she does now.

It just seems… easier to enforce bedtimes than forcing an entire district to change so students can stay up later.

If the start time was later, your dd would be able to sleep in later, so there’s no reason why she’d get less sleep. Just be a parent and enforce whatever sleep schedule she needs to be on.

Why should kids who aren’t in sports (the majority of students) operate on a schedule that suits your dd?

They would go to bed later as everything would get pushed back later. Maybe you should put up your kids in activities. It’s not just sports that kids ate out late for.

Yes, the schedule would be more in line with the majority of students’ needs if they could sleep during the hours most conducive to their health. Parenting can solve this conundrum for you. You can just force your kids to adjust to a new sleep schedule. It’s called parenting. Just reprogram your kids.

Damn you, Poe's Law.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Signed the petition when it came out. Ignore the distracting "parenting" comments. (My 8th grader gets herself up and out on time but it wasn't parenting, she's just like that.) The issue is whether it's OK for her and other teens to be getting up so early. In terms of health and learning. And it isn't! Agitating for this change is appropriate, and good parenting.

Why doesn’t she go to bed earlier if she needs more sleep?

Adolescent circadian rhythms make it difficult. Why doesn't your cat open his own cans of food?

The astrological implications combined with the biorhythmic resonance on their chakras make it real hard to get up in the morning.

There are a lot of NIH Pubmed citations of the adolescent circadian rhythms already posted in this thread. Where are your citations? Or do you like to just make up stuff in a futile attempt to confuse people?

I agree that children of all ages need adequate sleep.

Very true! Younger children naturally wake up earlier than older kids. Parents of teens, or at least those that pay attention, know this regardless of whether they've read any studies.

Or, we simply parent by telling our kids to go to bed and enforcing it.

How old are your kids? Either your kids are young, or your kids are unusually obedient, or your kids are fooling you, or you know there's actually nothing simple about it.

DP.
I have a middle schooler and a senior. Both get 8+ hours of sleep. (It helps that phones stayed in my room for the first couple years for each, building the habit of not texting at midnight or 2am.)

If school is later, then my high schooler will be doing her sport and clubs later into the evening. That will push her homework and bedtime back and she’ll end up getting less sleep than she does now.

It just seems… easier to enforce bedtimes than forcing an entire district to change so students can stay up later.

If the start time was later, your dd would be able to sleep in later, so there’s no reason why she’d get less sleep. Just be a parent and enforce whatever sleep schedule she needs to be on.

Why should kids who aren’t in sports (the majority of students) operate on a schedule that suits your dd?

They would go to bed later as everything would get pushed back later. Maybe you should put up your kids in activities. It’s not just sports that kids ate out late for.

Yes, the schedule would be more in line with the majority of students’ needs if they could sleep during the hours most conducive to their health. Parenting can solve this conundrum for you. You can just force your kids to adjust to a new sleep schedule. It’s called parenting. Just reprogram your kids.

Why should this be my problem? The county should be raising my children. That's why I pay taxes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Signed the petition when it came out. Ignore the distracting "parenting" comments. (My 8th grader gets herself up and out on time but it wasn't parenting, she's just like that.) The issue is whether it's OK for her and other teens to be getting up so early. In terms of health and learning. And it isn't! Agitating for this change is appropriate, and good parenting.

Why doesn’t she go to bed earlier if she needs more sleep?

Adolescent circadian rhythms make it difficult. Why doesn't your cat open his own cans of food?

The astrological implications combined with the biorhythmic resonance on their chakras make it real hard to get up in the morning.

There are a lot of NIH Pubmed citations of the adolescent circadian rhythms already posted in this thread. Where are your citations? Or do you like to just make up stuff in a futile attempt to confuse people?

I agree that children of all ages need adequate sleep.

Very true! Younger children naturally wake up earlier than older kids. Parents of teens, or at least those that pay attention, know this regardless of whether they've read any studies.

Or, we simply parent by telling our kids to go to bed and enforcing it.

How old are your kids? Either your kids are young, or your kids are unusually obedient, or your kids are fooling you, or you know there's actually nothing simple about it.

DP.
I have a middle schooler and a senior. Both get 8+ hours of sleep. (It helps that phones stayed in my room for the first couple years for each, building the habit of not texting at midnight or 2am.)

If school is later, then my high schooler will be doing her sport and clubs later into the evening. That will push her homework and bedtime back and she’ll end up getting less sleep than she does now.

It just seems… easier to enforce bedtimes than forcing an entire district to change so students can stay up later.

If the start time was later, your dd would be able to sleep in later, so there’s no reason why she’d get less sleep. Just be a parent and enforce whatever sleep schedule she needs to be on.

Why should kids who aren’t in sports (the majority of students) operate on a schedule that suits your dd?

They would go to bed later as everything would get pushed back later. Maybe you should put up your kids in activities. It’s not just sports that kids ate out late for.

Yes, the schedule would be more in line with the majority of students’ needs if they could sleep during the hours most conducive to their health. Parenting can solve this conundrum for you. You can just force your kids to adjust to a new sleep schedule. It’s called parenting. Just reprogram your kids.

Why should this be my problem? The county should be raising my children. That's why I pay taxes.

I've noticed how the DCUM comment of "Those bad parents (unlike me) want the schools to raise their children" has reappeared as a "Moms 4 Liberty" talking point ("We don't co-parent with the government").

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Signed the petition when it came out. Ignore the distracting "parenting" comments. (My 8th grader gets herself up and out on time but it wasn't parenting, she's just like that.) The issue is whether it's OK for her and other teens to be getting up so early. In terms of health and learning. And it isn't! Agitating for this change is appropriate, and good parenting.

Why doesn’t she go to bed earlier if she needs more sleep?

Adolescent circadian rhythms make it difficult. Why doesn't your cat open his own cans of food?

The astrological implications combined with the biorhythmic resonance on their chakras make it real hard to get up in the morning.

There are a lot of NIH Pubmed citations of the adolescent circadian rhythms already posted in this thread. Where are your citations? Or do you like to just make up stuff in a futile attempt to confuse people?

I agree that children of all ages need adequate sleep.

Very true! Younger children naturally wake up earlier than older kids. Parents of teens, or at least those that pay attention, know this regardless of whether they've read any studies.

Or, we simply parent by telling our kids to go to bed and enforcing it.

How old are your kids? Either your kids are young, or your kids are unusually obedient, or your kids are fooling you, or you know there's actually nothing simple about it.

DP.
I have a middle schooler and a senior. Both get 8+ hours of sleep. (It helps that phones stayed in my room for the first couple years for each, building the habit of not texting at midnight or 2am.)

If school is later, then my high schooler will be doing her sport and clubs later into the evening. That will push her homework and bedtime back and she’ll end up getting less sleep than she does now.

It just seems… easier to enforce bedtimes than forcing an entire district to change so students can stay up later.

If the start time was later, your dd would be able to sleep in later, so there’s no reason why she’d get less sleep. Just be a parent and enforce whatever sleep schedule she needs to be on.

Why should kids who aren’t in sports (the majority of students) operate on a schedule that suits your dd?

They would go to bed later as everything would get pushed back later. Maybe you should put up your kids in activities. It’s not just sports that kids ate out late for.

Yes, the schedule would be more in line with the majority of students’ needs if they could sleep during the hours most conducive to their health. Parenting can solve this conundrum for you. You can just force your kids to adjust to a new sleep schedule. It’s called parenting. Just reprogram your kids.

Why should this be my problem? The county should be raising my children. That's why I pay taxes.

I've noticed how the DCUM comment of "Those bad parents (unlike me) want the schools to raise their children" has reappeared as a "Moms 4 Liberty" talking point ("We don't co-parent with the government").

I had written off Mom's of Liberty but if they're advocating personal responsibility then maybe worth a 2nd look.

[Anonymous]

I have no personal stake in this, as my own kids have aged out of k-12 education, but I strongly believe that schools should start later in accordance with extensive and uncontroversial research showing the health benefits. The benefits are indisputable; it's just the costs and logistics that are a problem.

I would also point out that this country's obesity epidemic started in the 1980s, just after many (maybe most) public school districts adopted staggered school schedules to allow a single fleet of buses to provide transportation to elementary, middle (or junior high back then), and high school and as suburban sprawl lead to fewer kids walking or biking to school. In the late 1960s, 50% of children walked to school, and school started after 8 a.m. In 2019, my own kids in a neighboring district to MSPS could not walk to school (high school is eight miles away) and caught the high school bus at 6:35 a.m. to be transported to school by 7:00 am and then wait around outside until school started at 7:25 a.m., so that the buses could start their middle school run. There's no part of that arrangement that serves kids' best interests. It's unhealthy, inefficient, and setting them up to struggle.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Signed the petition when it came out. Ignore the distracting "parenting" comments. (My 8th grader gets herself up and out on time but it wasn't parenting, she's just like that.) The issue is whether it's OK for her and other teens to be getting up so early. In terms of health and learning. And it isn't! Agitating for this change is appropriate, and good parenting.

Why doesn’t she go to bed earlier if she needs more sleep?

Adolescent circadian rhythms make it difficult. Why doesn't your cat open his own cans of food?

The astrological implications combined with the biorhythmic resonance on their chakras make it real hard to get up in the morning.

There are a lot of NIH Pubmed citations of the adolescent circadian rhythms already posted in this thread. Where are your citations? Or do you like to just make up stuff in a futile attempt to confuse people?

I agree that children of all ages need adequate sleep.

Very true! Younger children naturally wake up earlier than older kids. Parents of teens, or at least those that pay attention, know this regardless of whether they've read any studies.

Or, we simply parent by telling our kids to go to bed and enforcing it.

How old are your kids? Either your kids are young, or your kids are unusually obedient, or your kids are fooling you, or you know there's actually nothing simple about it.

DP.
I have a middle schooler and a senior. Both get 8+ hours of sleep. (It helps that phones stayed in my room for the first couple years for each, building the habit of not texting at midnight or 2am.)

If school is later, then my high schooler will be doing her sport and clubs later into the evening. That will push her homework and bedtime back and she’ll end up getting less sleep than she does now.

It just seems… easier to enforce bedtimes than forcing an entire district to change so students can stay up later.

If the start time was later, your dd would be able to sleep in later, so there’s no reason why she’d get less sleep. Just be a parent and enforce whatever sleep schedule she needs to be on.

Why should kids who aren’t in sports (the majority of students) operate on a schedule that suits your dd?

They would go to bed later as everything would get pushed back later. Maybe you should put up your kids in activities. It’s not just sports that kids ate out late for.

Yes, the schedule would be more in line with the majority of students’ needs if they could sleep during the hours most conducive to their health. Parenting can solve this conundrum for you. You can just force your kids to adjust to a new sleep schedule. It’s called parenting. Just reprogram your kids.

So, you think it’s healthy for our kids who are doing positive things like sports, music, and theater to go to be at 12-2 am so your precious spoiled kids can have an extra to sleep in. Some of our kids don’t get home till 10 as it is and still may have homework.