Why are OOS flagships so popular these days?

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Anonymous wrote:to the main question - simply because UVA, VT , WM cant cant all the qualified students and people here have the $$$ to go to OOS schools.

Many students that "just miss" getting into UVA, VT, WM are offered excellent scholarships at other states' flagships-to the point where it's the same or an even lower price.
My kid is a good student but I don't think he has a chance at UVA or VT (engineering.) But with the automatic merit scholarship at Alabama, he'll only be paying about $2k/semester-far cheaper than what he'd have to pay at UVA or VT even if he could get in.

Yea, exactly. I said this earlier in fact but I’m a so-called UVA poster so I was dismissed out of hand.

The joke used to be that JMU stood for Just Missed UVA. That’s not true of JMU or any other school in VA outside of W&M and maybe VT. The gap has widened. So you have very good students from VA that can’t / don’t get into those schools but have very good stats and are getting merit offers from OOS flagships. They end up paying less to leave the state and going to better (or at least better known) OOS schools.

So the choice is made for them given UVA’s admission standards, but it’s not a bad choice to have made.

I am smiling as I write this because I have “Morning Joe“ on the TV in the background and they’re talking about how unfair the process is for rich kids to get into best schools. The reporter just said “schools like the Ivy League and elite publics like Virginia and Michigan.” In that order lol. No mention of any of the other out-of-state flagships being discussed in this thread lol.

Re: the bolded, that silly "joke" isn't true for VT, mainly because students often choose VT over UVA to begin with. I know that's hard for you to admit, but it's ok. The rest of us know it to be true.

According to parchment 24 percent of students admitted to both UVA and Tech chose Tech. I guess that’s “often.”

Just for giggles, we should look at %s for kids who choose for STEM. As as engineer, I can tell you the %s are much different.

The 24 percent is for all majors. If you do engineering specifically you’d probably see that nobody goes to Tech over UVA for any other reason.

DP. This is hilarious. I know plenty of people, including two of my own kids, who chose VT over UVA for the humanities and business, respectively. Not STEM or engineering. You seem to be living in a silly little bubble of cluelessness.

Anyone who chooses VT over UVA for the humanities is clueless. That makes even less sense than choosing UVA over VT for engineering.

Interesting. Well, my “clueless” VT humanities grad is doing great, having attended her top choice school, employed in the field of her choice, living in the area of her choice, and making a very nice income - as are her siblings and fellow VT grads. Seems “clueless” is most applicable to misguided dunces like yourself.

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Good for her. Tech is a great school and has served her well. But she didn’t get into UVA. You’re not fooling anybody.

The certainty/arrogance you continue to display is so predictable! You're making UVA look less and less appealing with every post.
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The UVA “booster” might be a troll trying to make UVA look bad. If the booster is real, they are actually making the argument for why some folks prefer VT.

I have no doubt that booster is real.

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Anonymous wrote:to the main question - simply because UVA, VT , WM cant cant all the qualified students and people here have the $$$ to go to OOS schools.

Many students that "just miss" getting into UVA, VT, WM are offered excellent scholarships at other states' flagships-to the point where it's the same or an even lower price.
My kid is a good student but I don't think he has a chance at UVA or VT (engineering.) But with the automatic merit scholarship at Alabama, he'll only be paying about $2k/semester-far cheaper than what he'd have to pay at UVA or VT even if he could get in.

Yea, exactly. I said this earlier in fact but I’m a so-called UVA poster so I was dismissed out of hand.

The joke used to be that JMU stood for Just Missed UVA. That’s not true of JMU or any other school in VA outside of W&M and maybe VT. The gap has widened. So you have very good students from VA that can’t / don’t get into those schools but have very good stats and are getting merit offers from OOS flagships. They end up paying less to leave the state and going to better (or at least better known) OOS schools.

So the choice is made for them given UVA’s admission standards, but it’s not a bad choice to have made.

I am smiling as I write this because I have “Morning Joe“ on the TV in the background and they’re talking about how unfair the process is for rich kids to get into best schools. The reporter just said “schools like the Ivy League and elite publics like Virginia and Michigan.” In that order lol. No mention of any of the other out-of-state flagships being discussed in this thread lol.

Re: the bolded, that silly "joke" isn't true for VT, mainly because students often choose VT over UVA to begin with. I know that's hard for you to admit, but it's ok. The rest of us know it to be true.

According to parchment 24 percent of students admitted to both UVA and Tech chose Tech. I guess that’s “often.”

Just for giggles, we should look at %s for kids who choose for STEM. As as engineer, I can tell you the %s are much different.

The 24 percent is for all majors. If you do engineering specifically you’d probably see that nobody goes to Tech over UVA for any other reason.

DP. This is hilarious. I know plenty of people, including two of my own kids, who chose VT over UVA for the humanities and business, respectively. Not STEM or engineering. You seem to be living in a silly little bubble of cluelessness.

Anyone who chooses VT over UVA for the humanities is clueless. That makes even less sense than choosing UVA over VT for engineering.

Interesting. Well, my “clueless” VT humanities grad is doing great, having attended her top choice school, employed in the field of her choice, living in the area of her choice, and making a very nice income - as are her siblings and fellow VT grads. Seems “clueless” is most applicable to misguided dunces like yourself.

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Good for her. Tech is a great school and has served her well. But she didn’t get into UVA. You’re not fooling anybody.

The certainty/arrogance you continue to display is so predictable! You're making UVA look less and less appealing with every post.
DP

The UVA “booster” might be a troll trying to make UVA look bad. If the booster is real, they are actually making the argument for why some folks prefer VT.

Or it’s brunch granny.

Can the brunch granny meme die yet?

Brunch granny is gold. And has many similarities to UVA granny…

It’s the same people that post about brunch granny. It’s tired, people.

I’ve never suspected that another poster was brunch granny. This is a first.

So many similarities between UVA granny & brunch granny:
- rigidity & inability to see different perspectives
- aggressiveness & intensity “belligerent”
- multiple kids with graduate degrees
- grandkids
- family should live near each other for free child care
- some family members were perhaps in the medical field

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Anonymous wrote:Why did this post devolve into a pissing match by UVA boosters against other families/kids that want to attend universities in other parts of the country? The original question was "Why are OOS Flagships so popular?" My son wanted to attend a big state school OOS. He wanted a place with big sports and school spirit. He also wanted a place where he could ski, do whitewater rafting and hike in the mountains. Even tough he was admitted to UVA, he declined and decided on Colorado.

Good for him. He’s one of only 65 Virginia students in his class who did that. And one of only a handful who turned down UVA for it. No doubt about that.

One of my kid’s best friends from NOVA went to Boulder. Such a nice kid and doing really well. Not much of a student in high school though.

What exactly do you mean by saying "He’s one of only 65 Virginia students in his class who did that."? It makes no sense. Did you go to UVA or are your kids attending?

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Anonymous wrote:Why did this post devolve into a pissing match by UVA boosters against other families/kids that want to attend universities in other parts of the country? The original question was "Why are OOS Flagships so popular?" My son wanted to attend a big state school OOS. He wanted a place with big sports and school spirit. He also wanted a place where he could ski, do whitewater rafting and hike in the mountains. Even tough he was admitted to UVA, he declined and decided on Colorado.

Good for him. He’s one of only 65 Virginia students in his class who did that. And one of only a handful who turned down UVA for it. No doubt about that.

One of my kid’s best friends from NOVA went to Boulder. Such a nice kid and doing really well. Not much of a student in high school though.

What exactly do you mean by saying "He’s one of only 65 Virginia students in his class who did that."? It makes no sense. Did you go to UVA or are your kids attending?

Better question is: how many years ago did your kids attend?

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I think the first shot fired is as early as page ONE:

“You are going to OOS public instead of in state UVA because you didn't get into UVA.“

The UVA fans might not realize it but their confidence in statements like this is nauseating. I mean who are you to make a statement like that? The 13th grade stuff (which I did not take part in & don’t agree with) came after repeated insults like this.

But here’s the thing: poster after poster admitted that their kids were going to school out of state because they couldn’t get into UVA.

Let’s look at cross admits.

UVA 82% Indiana 18%
UVA 80% UC Boulder 20%
UVA 75% Delaware 25%
UVA 72% Arizona 28%
UVA 67% Wisconsin 33%
UVA 65% UCSB 35%
UVA 64% Perdue 36%
UVA 63% UIUC 37%
UVA 57% UT Austin 43%
UVA 54% GA Tech 46%
UVA 46% UCLA 54%
UVA 43% Michigan 57%
UVA 40% Berkeley 60%

Plenty of kids who get into UVA are choosing other flagships. Even for lower ranked schools it’s at least 1 out of 5 kids.

Do we know those were all Virginia kids not picking UVA?

They weren’t all VA kids, obviously, but demonstrates that many, many kids will choose OOS schools, even lower-ranked, over UVA.

I couldn’t find cross admit data solely for in-state students, but if the argument is that people pick always UVA because it’s cheaper & better ranked than the other schools admitted, then we wouldn’t see any UVA admits choosing more expensive and lower-ranked schools.

But we do.

UVA 21% Notre Dame 81%
UVA 40% Tufts 60%
UVA 60% Howard 40%
UVA 63% SMU 37%
UVA 67% AU 33%
UVA 68% Villanova 32%
UVA 72% Lehigh 28%
UVA 75% U Rochester 25%

Many kids choose don’t choose the cheapest, highest ranked option.

Many kids prefer OOS.

Not sure why that’s a tough concept.

Look, you can site parchment (or whatever that site is) no until the cows come home, but unless you separate in state from out of state it’s meaningless. For example, if a kid is admitted to both Notre Dame and UVA out of state, yes, I can see them selecting Notre Dame at that rate easily. But in state? Less certain.

Again, I included all private schools above to take out the in-state/OOS tuition discretionary when I *cited* Parchment.

Many kids choose don’t choose the cheapest, highest ranked option.

Many kids prefer OOS.

You can’t acknowledge that people are different and have different priorities than you?

Sure I can. I’m sure it happens. But the “data” that you claim supports it simply
doesn’t.

Where is your data?

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Many kids choose other schools, including other OOS flagships, simply because they want something other than UVA. It’s clearly not for everyone. Just look at yield and cross admits.

You sound like a Trump supporter. You deny facts right in your face.

First, as said previously, the cross admit data that you cite doesn’t distinguish between in state and out of state and doesn’t account for where kids are also getting in. Fifty-seven percent of UVA in state admits attend. That’s a high number. By comparison, 60 percent of Notre Dame admits elect to attend. It’s under 50 percent at Vanderbilt and under 40 percent at both Wash U and Emory. In fact, UVA’s yield for in state and OOS combined is higher than both of those schools.

Beyond that, the data that your site does not show the number of students who are cross admits. For example, what percentage of Ohio State applicants do you think are also applying to an Ivy League school? What percentage of UVA applicants are also applying to an Ivy? Do you honestly think the percentage is the same?

Emory's yield is actually 41% and WashU is 48%. UVAs is 43%. UVA also has ED like the other schools but the others don't benefit from instate like UVA does.

Emory’s yield is 35 percent. You’re dead wrong. Here, let me help you.

https://provost.emory.edu/planning-administration/_includes/documents/sections/institutional-data/Emory-Common-Data-Set-2023-2022.pdf

https://apply.emory.edu/discover/facts-stats/first-year.html

You can do the math yourself.
1436/3543= 0.4053 or 40.53% rounds to 41%.
I used most recent class of 2027 numbers for each school. I guess Emory’s popularity is just rising quickly, or just starting to acquiesce to its peers.

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I think the first shot fired is as early as page ONE:

“You are going to OOS public instead of in state UVA because you didn't get into UVA.“

The UVA fans might not realize it but their confidence in statements like this is nauseating. I mean who are you to make a statement like that? The 13th grade stuff (which I did not take part in & don’t agree with) came after repeated insults like this.

But here’s the thing: poster after poster admitted that their kids were going to school out of state because they couldn’t get into UVA.

Let’s look at cross admits.

UVA 82% Indiana 18%
UVA 80% UC Boulder 20%
UVA 75% Delaware 25%
UVA 72% Arizona 28%
UVA 67% Wisconsin 33%
UVA 65% UCSB 35%
UVA 64% Perdue 36%
UVA 63% UIUC 37%
UVA 57% UT Austin 43%
UVA 54% GA Tech 46%
UVA 46% UCLA 54%
UVA 43% Michigan 57%
UVA 40% Berkeley 60%

Plenty of kids who get into UVA are choosing other flagships. Even for lower ranked schools it’s at least 1 out of 5 kids.

Do we know those were all Virginia kids not picking UVA?

They weren’t all VA kids, obviously, but demonstrates that many, many kids will choose OOS schools, even lower-ranked, over UVA.

I couldn’t find cross admit data solely for in-state students, but if the argument is that people pick always UVA because it’s cheaper & better ranked than the other schools admitted, then we wouldn’t see any UVA admits choosing more expensive and lower-ranked schools.

But we do.

UVA 21% Notre Dame 81%
UVA 40% Tufts 60%
UVA 60% Howard 40%
UVA 63% SMU 37%
UVA 67% AU 33%
UVA 68% Villanova 32%
UVA 72% Lehigh 28%
UVA 75% U Rochester 25%

Many kids choose don’t choose the cheapest, highest ranked option.

Many kids prefer OOS.

Not sure why that’s a tough concept.

Look, you can site parchment (or whatever that site is) no until the cows come home, but unless you separate in state from out of state it’s meaningless. For example, if a kid is admitted to both Notre Dame and UVA out of state, yes, I can see them selecting Notre Dame at that rate easily. But in state? Less certain.

Again, I included all private schools above to take out the in-state/OOS tuition discretionary when I *cited* Parchment.

Many kids choose don’t choose the cheapest, highest ranked option.

Many kids prefer OOS.

You can’t acknowledge that people are different and have different priorities than you?

Sure I can. I’m sure it happens. But the “data” that you claim supports it simply
doesn’t.

Where is your data?

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Many kids choose other schools, including other OOS flagships, simply because they want something other than UVA. It’s clearly not for everyone. Just look at yield and cross admits.

You sound like a Trump supporter. You deny facts right in your face.

First, as said previously, the cross admit data that you cite doesn’t distinguish between in state and out of state and doesn’t account for where kids are also getting in. Fifty-seven percent of UVA in state admits attend. That’s a high number. By comparison, 60 percent of Notre Dame admits elect to attend. It’s under 50 percent at Vanderbilt and under 40 percent at both Wash U and Emory. In fact, UVA’s yield for in state and OOS combined is higher than both of those schools.

Beyond that, the data that your site does not show the number of students who are cross admits. For example, what percentage of Ohio State applicants do you think are also applying to an Ivy League school? What percentage of UVA applicants are also applying to an Ivy? Do you honestly think the percentage is the same?

Emory's yield is actually 41% and WashU is 48%. UVAs is 43%. UVA also has ED like the other schools but the others don't benefit from instate like UVA does.

Emory’s yield is 35 percent. You’re dead wrong. Here, let me help you.

https://provost.emory.edu/planning-administration/_includes/documents/sections/institutional-data/Emory-Common-Data-Set-2023-2022.pdf

https://apply.emory.edu/discover/facts-stats/first-year.html

You can do the math yourself.
1436/3543= 0.4053 or 40.53% rounds to 41%.
I used most recent class of 2027 numbers for each school. I guess Emory’s popularity is just rising quickly, or just starting to acquiesce to its peers.

Is 5% in one year significant or is that normal?

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I think the first shot fired is as early as page ONE:

“You are going to OOS public instead of in state UVA because you didn't get into UVA.“

The UVA fans might not realize it but their confidence in statements like this is nauseating. I mean who are you to make a statement like that? The 13th grade stuff (which I did not take part in & don’t agree with) came after repeated insults like this.

But here’s the thing: poster after poster admitted that their kids were going to school out of state because they couldn’t get into UVA.

Let’s look at cross admits.

UVA 82% Indiana 18%
UVA 80% UC Boulder 20%
UVA 75% Delaware 25%
UVA 72% Arizona 28%
UVA 67% Wisconsin 33%
UVA 65% UCSB 35%
UVA 64% Perdue 36%
UVA 63% UIUC 37%
UVA 57% UT Austin 43%
UVA 54% GA Tech 46%
UVA 46% UCLA 54%
UVA 43% Michigan 57%
UVA 40% Berkeley 60%

Plenty of kids who get into UVA are choosing other flagships. Even for lower ranked schools it’s at least 1 out of 5 kids.

Do we know those were all Virginia kids not picking UVA?

They weren’t all VA kids, obviously, but demonstrates that many, many kids will choose OOS schools, even lower-ranked, over UVA.

I couldn’t find cross admit data solely for in-state students, but if the argument is that people pick always UVA because it’s cheaper & better ranked than the other schools admitted, then we wouldn’t see any UVA admits choosing more expensive and lower-ranked schools.

But we do.

UVA 21% Notre Dame 81%
UVA 40% Tufts 60%
UVA 60% Howard 40%
UVA 63% SMU 37%
UVA 67% AU 33%
UVA 68% Villanova 32%
UVA 72% Lehigh 28%
UVA 75% U Rochester 25%

Many kids choose don’t choose the cheapest, highest ranked option.

Many kids prefer OOS.

Not sure why that’s a tough concept.

Look, you can site parchment (or whatever that site is) no until the cows come home, but unless you separate in state from out of state it’s meaningless. For example, if a kid is admitted to both Notre Dame and UVA out of state, yes, I can see them selecting Notre Dame at that rate easily. But in state? Less certain.

Again, I included all private schools above to take out the in-state/OOS tuition discretionary when I *cited* Parchment.

Many kids choose don’t choose the cheapest, highest ranked option.

Many kids prefer OOS.

You can’t acknowledge that people are different and have different priorities than you?

Sure I can. I’m sure it happens. But the “data” that you claim supports it simply
doesn’t.

Where is your data?

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Many kids choose other schools, including other OOS flagships, simply because they want something other than UVA. It’s clearly not for everyone. Just look at yield and cross admits.

You sound like a Trump supporter. You deny facts right in your face.

First, as said previously, the cross admit data that you cite doesn’t distinguish between in state and out of state and doesn’t account for where kids are also getting in. Fifty-seven percent of UVA in state admits attend. That’s a high number. By comparison, 60 percent of Notre Dame admits elect to attend. It’s under 50 percent at Vanderbilt and under 40 percent at both Wash U and Emory. In fact, UVA’s yield for in state and OOS combined is higher than both of those schools.

Beyond that, the data that your site does not show the number of students who are cross admits. For example, what percentage of Ohio State applicants do you think are also applying to an Ivy League school? What percentage of UVA applicants are also applying to an Ivy? Do you honestly think the percentage is the same?

Emory's yield is actually 41% and WashU is 48%. UVAs is 43%. UVA also has ED like the other schools but the others don't benefit from instate like UVA does.

Emory’s yield is 35 percent. You’re dead wrong. Here, let me help you.

https://provost.emory.edu/planning-administration/_includes/documents/sections/institutional-data/Emory-Common-Data-Set-2023-2022.pdf

https://apply.emory.edu/discover/facts-stats/first-year.html

You can do the math yourself.
1436/3543= 0.4053 or 40.53% rounds to 41%.
I used most recent class of 2027 numbers for each school. I guess Emory’s popularity is just rising quickly, or just starting to acquiesce to its peers.

Is 5% in one year significant or is that normal?

Maybe the UVA granny can share the trends she has observed over the past decades that she's been following?

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More kids applying to universities altogether + population growth in general = more kids getting denied. So these kids will look elswhere: Tenn Knoxville, Clemson, U of So Carolina, Alabama, etc…. I see it as just basic math. VA in-state kids will probably apply to the usuals UVA, W&M, VT. If they are denied, they just look for similar style campuses out of state. If they offer lots of aid, even better. I think many are looking for prestige, but the “vibe” is also important.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems that many more DMV grads are choosing OOS state flagships ahead of their mid and top ranked in state options. What is the appeal? Is it because it’s far from home? The cost is so much higher, I am confused why this is now en vogue.

Our DC chose a UC over other good options due to its excellence in his STEM field and extensive research opportunities - in order to position for post grad applications. It went according to plan and DC had excellent post grad options in relevant STarM field.

We may not have been willing to pay so much for OOS fees unless the school was truly excellent in relevant desired major.

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Anonymous wrote:More kids applying to universities altogether + population growth in general = more kids getting denied. So these kids will look elswhere: Tenn Knoxville, Clemson, U of So Carolina, Alabama, etc…. I see it as just basic math. VA in-state kids will probably apply to the usuals UVA, W&M, VT. If they are denied, they just look for similar style campuses out of state. If they offer lots of aid, even better. I think many are looking for prestige, but the “vibe” is also important.

+1 this seems to be the case. I think it also "helps" that UVA/WM are so pricey. If students were planning on attending them if they got in, then the OOS schools with merit don't seem too expensive, or at times even seem like a good financial deal.

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“the “vibe” is also important.“

I agree. Lots of different vibes out there. There’s something for everybody. Despite numerous slicks on DCUM thinking its all one big MAGA rally “out there,” Bloomington IN, Lexington KY, & Columbia SC are very different places. But I still don’t understand what vibe the Ohio State people are attracted to.

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Anonymous wrote:More kids applying to universities altogether + population growth in general = more kids getting denied. So these kids will look elswhere: Tenn Knoxville, Clemson, U of So Carolina, Alabama, etc…. I see it as just basic math. VA in-state kids will probably apply to the usuals UVA, W&M, VT. If they are denied, they just look for similar style campuses out of state. If they offer lots of aid, even better. I think many are looking for prestige, but the “vibe” is also important.

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DS attending UMD from NOVA. Waitlisted at UVA, accepted at WM. Received merit which makes UMD $3k more than UVA engineering and $5k more than WM.

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If they can afford it and want to go to an OOS, why not? To each their own!

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I think the first shot fired is as early as page ONE:

“You are going to OOS public instead of in state UVA because you didn't get into UVA.“

The UVA fans might not realize it but their confidence in statements like this is nauseating. I mean who are you to make a statement like that? The 13th grade stuff (which I did not take part in & don’t agree with) came after repeated insults like this.

But here’s the thing: poster after poster admitted that their kids were going to school out of state because they couldn’t get into UVA.

Let’s look at cross admits.

UVA 82% Indiana 18%
UVA 80% UC Boulder 20%
UVA 75% Delaware 25%
UVA 72% Arizona 28%
UVA 67% Wisconsin 33%
UVA 65% UCSB 35%
UVA 64% Perdue 36%
UVA 63% UIUC 37%
UVA 57% UT Austin 43%
UVA 54% GA Tech 46%
UVA 46% UCLA 54%
UVA 43% Michigan 57%
UVA 40% Berkeley 60%

Plenty of kids who get into UVA are choosing other flagships. Even for lower ranked schools it’s at least 1 out of 5 kids.

Do we know those were all Virginia kids not picking UVA?

They weren’t all VA kids, obviously, but demonstrates that many, many kids will choose OOS schools, even lower-ranked, over UVA.

I couldn’t find cross admit data solely for in-state students, but if the argument is that people pick always UVA because it’s cheaper & better ranked than the other schools admitted, then we wouldn’t see any UVA admits choosing more expensive and lower-ranked schools.

But we do.

UVA 21% Notre Dame 81%
UVA 40% Tufts 60%
UVA 60% Howard 40%
UVA 63% SMU 37%
UVA 67% AU 33%
UVA 68% Villanova 32%
UVA 72% Lehigh 28%
UVA 75% U Rochester 25%

Many kids choose don’t choose the cheapest, highest ranked option.

Many kids prefer OOS.

Not sure why that’s a tough concept.

Look, you can site parchment (or whatever that site is) no until the cows come home, but unless you separate in state from out of state it’s meaningless. For example, if a kid is admitted to both Notre Dame and UVA out of state, yes, I can see them selecting Notre Dame at that rate easily. But in state? Less certain.

Again, I included all private schools above to take out the in-state/OOS tuition discretionary when I *cited* Parchment.

Many kids choose don’t choose the cheapest, highest ranked option.

Many kids prefer OOS.

You can’t acknowledge that people are different and have different priorities than you?

Sure I can. I’m sure it happens. But the “data” that you claim supports it simply
doesn’t.

Where is your data?

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Many kids choose other schools, including other OOS flagships, simply because they want something other than UVA. It’s clearly not for everyone. Just look at yield and cross admits.

You sound like a Trump supporter. You deny facts right in your face.

First, as said previously, the cross admit data that you cite doesn’t distinguish between in state and out of state and doesn’t account for where kids are also getting in. Fifty-seven percent of UVA in state admits attend. That’s a high number. By comparison, 60 percent of Notre Dame admits elect to attend. It’s under 50 percent at Vanderbilt and under 40 percent at both Wash U and Emory. In fact, UVA’s yield for in state and OOS combined is higher than both of those schools.

Beyond that, the data that your site does not show the number of students who are cross admits. For example, what percentage of Ohio State applicants do you think are also applying to an Ivy League school? What percentage of UVA applicants are also applying to an Ivy? Do you honestly think the percentage is the same?

Emory's yield is actually 41% and WashU is 48%. UVAs is 43%. UVA also has ED like the other schools but the others don't benefit from instate like UVA does.

Emory’s yield is 35 percent. You’re dead wrong. Here, let me help you.

https://provost.emory.edu/planning-administration/_includes/documents/sections/institutional-data/Emory-Common-Data-Set-2023-2022.pdf

https://apply.emory.edu/discover/facts-stats/first-year.html

You can do the math yourself.
1436/3543= 0.4053 or 40.53% rounds to 41%.
I used most recent class of 2027 numbers for each school. I guess Emory’s popularity is just rising quickly, or just starting to acquiesce to its peers.

UVAs yield has stayed at 43% for a while. So Emory will likely pass it this year.

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I think the first shot fired is as early as page ONE:

“You are going to OOS public instead of in state UVA because you didn't get into UVA.“

The UVA fans might not realize it but their confidence in statements like this is nauseating. I mean who are you to make a statement like that? The 13th grade stuff (which I did not take part in & don’t agree with) came after repeated insults like this.

But here’s the thing: poster after poster admitted that their kids were going to school out of state because they couldn’t get into UVA.

Let’s look at cross admits.

UVA 82% Indiana 18%
UVA 80% UC Boulder 20%
UVA 75% Delaware 25%
UVA 72% Arizona 28%
UVA 67% Wisconsin 33%
UVA 65% UCSB 35%
UVA 64% Perdue 36%
UVA 63% UIUC 37%
UVA 57% UT Austin 43%
UVA 54% GA Tech 46%
UVA 46% UCLA 54%
UVA 43% Michigan 57%
UVA 40% Berkeley 60%

Plenty of kids who get into UVA are choosing other flagships. Even for lower ranked schools it’s at least 1 out of 5 kids.

Do we know those were all Virginia kids not picking UVA?

They weren’t all VA kids, obviously, but demonstrates that many, many kids will choose OOS schools, even lower-ranked, over UVA.

I couldn’t find cross admit data solely for in-state students, but if the argument is that people pick always UVA because it’s cheaper & better ranked than the other schools admitted, then we wouldn’t see any UVA admits choosing more expensive and lower-ranked schools.

But we do.

UVA 21% Notre Dame 81%
UVA 40% Tufts 60%
UVA 60% Howard 40%
UVA 63% SMU 37%
UVA 67% AU 33%
UVA 68% Villanova 32%
UVA 72% Lehigh 28%
UVA 75% U Rochester 25%

Many kids choose don’t choose the cheapest, highest ranked option.

Many kids prefer OOS.

Not sure why that’s a tough concept.

Look, you can site parchment (or whatever that site is) no until the cows come home, but unless you separate in state from out of state it’s meaningless. For example, if a kid is admitted to both Notre Dame and UVA out of state, yes, I can see them selecting Notre Dame at that rate easily. But in state? Less certain.

Again, I included all private schools above to take out the in-state/OOS tuition discretionary when I *cited* Parchment.

Many kids choose don’t choose the cheapest, highest ranked option.

Many kids prefer OOS.

You can’t acknowledge that people are different and have different priorities than you?

Sure I can. I’m sure it happens. But the “data” that you claim supports it simply
doesn’t.

Where is your data?

+1

Many kids choose other schools, including other OOS flagships, simply because they want something other than UVA. It’s clearly not for everyone. Just look at yield and cross admits.

You sound like a Trump supporter. You deny facts right in your face.

First, as said previously, the cross admit data that you cite doesn’t distinguish between in state and out of state and doesn’t account for where kids are also getting in. Fifty-seven percent of UVA in state admits attend. That’s a high number. By comparison, 60 percent of Notre Dame admits elect to attend. It’s under 50 percent at Vanderbilt and under 40 percent at both Wash U and Emory. In fact, UVA’s yield for in state and OOS combined is higher than both of those schools.

Beyond that, the data that your site does not show the number of students who are cross admits. For example, what percentage of Ohio State applicants do you think are also applying to an Ivy League school? What percentage of UVA applicants are also applying to an Ivy? Do you honestly think the percentage is the same?

Emory's yield is actually 41% and WashU is 48%. UVAs is 43%. UVA also has ED like the other schools but the others don't benefit from instate like UVA does.

Emory’s yield is 35 percent. You’re dead wrong. Here, let me help you.

https://provost.emory.edu/planning-administration/_includes/documents/sections/institutional-data/Emory-Common-Data-Set-2023-2022.pdf

https://apply.emory.edu/discover/facts-stats/first-year.html

You can do the math yourself.
1436/3543= 0.4053 or 40.53% rounds to 41%.
I used most recent class of 2027 numbers for each school. I guess Emory’s popularity is just rising quickly, or just starting to acquiesce to its peers.

UVAs yield has stayed at 43% for a while. So Emory will likely pass it this year.

Lol. Emory will still suck though