As a pre-condition for any serious negotiation, Ukraine MUST be allowed to fully de-Nazify Russia; this, of course, first requires Putin to turn himself over to The Hague to answer for the war crimes he’s responsible for in his illegal war against Ukraine. Once Russia meets these simple and obviously necessary conditions, then negotiations can begin. |
You are very wrong about that. This war has changed everything, even among the Russian speakers in Ukraine. No one in Ukraine will accept Russian domination at this point. Too much has changed. Too much death. Too much destruction. Too many war crimes. There are many, many native Russian speaking Ukrainians fighting with the AFU. As for the circa-2014 separatist fighters from Donetsk and Luhansk, they're all dead now. |
EVERYONE in Ukraine is a Russian speaker. What is this "Russian speakers" in Ukraine, as if there is any such thing as a non-Russian-speaking Ukrainian. |
They were negotiating a year ago in Istanbul and getting somewhere until Boris Johnson swooped in and slapped Zelensky's hand away. |
Shut up with your genocidal misinformation. |
There's a difference between speaking Russian, and it being your native language. The majority of Ukrainians consider Ukrainian as their native language. But, the Russian invasion burned away any delusions anyone might have had that they could live peacefully with Russia, even if they considered themselves ethnically Russian. The Russians invaders were happy to murder, rape and loot their way through Russian-speaking areas in eastern Ukraine. |
Is this your theory or is this actual research? |
You are so naïve if you think ethnic kinship means safe passage. I mean, wake up. Look at the history of the world even in the last fifty years. |
Everything above is 100% accurate. |
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Bullshit. They weren't getting anywhere and Johnson didn't derail anything. Zelensky didn't have anything like a mandate from his people for making territorial concessions to Russia and, in any case, Putin is and was utterly untrustworthy. Zelensky was aware that Russia wasn't negotiating in good faith and that Russia had been engaged in the execution and torture of civilians in Bucha, Irpin, Borodyanka and other northern towns. |
Please outline how your position changes based on either response. Be specific. |
This is correct. There are some oblasts in the east that were predominantly native Russian speakers but the remainder is predominantly Ukrainian speaking, and in places like Kharkiv, though native Russian speaking, they no longer have much of any sympathy or allegiance or sense of brotherhood to Russia, due to the war. Russian conduct since the invasion has brought them nothing but anger and resentment. Also remember that in in 1991, in EVERY oblast, including Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk, overwhelmingly voted to split and become an independent and sovereign Ukraine, and did not want to be part of the Russian Federation. |
The post wasn't about native Russian speakers or sympathy or allegiance to Russia. It mentioned Russian speakers, full stop. The fact of the matter is that an overwhelming majority of Ukrainians (meaning citizens of Ukraine, not ethnic Ukrainians) speak Russian and are therefore Russian speakers. That is an actual fact. |