Insurrection Hearings 6/28 and beyond

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Anonymous wrote:Wonder who Trump took his anger out on today? I can only imagine how pissed he is.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wonder who Teumo took his anger out o. Today? I can only imagine how pissed he is.

I think it's nice that we don't know. We don't have to anything about him and his feelings anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:Never ever in the history of testimony has someone ever given false testimony!

The ratings of these hearings are deplorable. The vast majority of the country has moved on. This grandstanding non both sides is wasting time and money. The country has moved on and is worried about inflation, crumbling infrastructure, and high gas prices. They really do not care as much as the small minority of posters here seem to think they do or should.

Completely false. Millions are watching. Millions want accountability.

MILLIONS are not watching. The ratings do not reflect.

They are watching. They are watching streaming which isn’t recorded by the ratings.

For every 1 person watching tv I know 20 who watch later via streaming.

Wrong. Nielsen +7 accounts for streaming.

No one I know on the left or right is watching nor do they care one bit!

You can keep telling yourself that until the cows come home but it simply is not true. I and everyone I know cares deeply and is following the hearings. Polls prove you wrong.

We are the suburban mothers who catch up on news when we can. We are also a major voting block.

Even the note she said she wrote and identified as her own handwriting is NOT true.

It's not? It's false? Have you read the thread?

I have. And this is my summation:

Trump tried to carjack the beast from way way in the back seat (stretch limo) and to do so, turned into elastic man to grab the driver’s clavicle. The men who have served four different presidents without an infraction are now lying sacks of crap (though clearly good enough to serve Obama) and this young woman is a hero. Did I sum that up right?

If you are talking about the Secret Service they have a history of being drunk “lying sacks of crap”. The SS personal involve are all trump loyalists and were replaced as soon as trump was forced from office. These same SS agents were not trusted by Pence. Pence refused to get into the car controlled by SS agents. He was tipped out. It is interesting the no one has come out on record from the secret service? Also why are you lying about the vehicle. It was an SUV. There is video of it.

Now if you want to throw shade we should question the SS agents who disobeyed a direct order from the president. He wanted to go to the Capitol. The SS has no authority to over rule the president. Too bad for you and your fail insurrection. Would have been a lot more killed if trump had made it to the Capitol.

These same SS agents served Obama as well. And two other Presidents besides Trump.

Ornato is a Trump political operative.

"Trump installed Tony Ornato -- his former lead US Secret Service agent --- as deputy chief of staff for operations in part bc FLOTUS --- then chief preferred him over Max Miller. But the move unnerved West Wing aides who knew the Secret Service was supposed to be non-political."
https://twitter.com/hugolowell/status/1518329760547540995

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"[S]enior Secret Service official Anthony Ornato was detailed to White House as a Trump political adviser. He's now back at USSS."
https://twitter.com/jkuhnhenn/status/1518321475173994498

We don’t know what Ornato’s angle is because he has not made any public statements yet. It’s best not to assume anything. He’s obviously testified. So if she said anything that contradicted his testimony he’d be defending himself from perjury. He’s not. Who knows show these “sources” are?

All these guys are going to understate what Trump did and said because they all want to stay tight with the Republican patronage network. The truth doesn’t get you sweet high-paying gigs.

They aren’t going to lie under oath though.

I am not as sure as you

Ornato, at least, is still employed by the Secret Service. I don't think he's going to lie under oath.

I'll wait until more information from actual people comes out - not from "a source close to the Secret Service." I can't believe the amount of people that have lost all ability to use critical thinking here. I actually heard WTOP characterize that as "the Secret Service pushing back." WHAT? No.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wonder who Teumo took his anger out o. Today? I can only imagine how pissed he is.

I think it's nice that we don't know. We don't have to anything about him and his feelings anymore.

Well it’s more about wondering how many more ways he might have incriminated himself today. I don’t care about his feelings but he’s rather impulsive!

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Anonymous wrote:Never ever in the history of testimony has someone ever given false testimony!

The ratings of these hearings are deplorable. The vast majority of the country has moved on. This grandstanding non both sides is wasting time and money. The country has moved on and is worried about inflation, crumbling infrastructure, and high gas prices. They really do not care as much as the small minority of posters here seem to think they do or should.

Completely false. Millions are watching. Millions want accountability.

MILLIONS are not watching. The ratings do not reflect.

They are watching. They are watching streaming which isn’t recorded by the ratings.

For every 1 person watching tv I know 20 who watch later via streaming.

Wrong. Nielsen +7 accounts for streaming.

No one I know on the left or right is watching nor do they care one bit!

You can keep telling yourself that until the cows come home but it simply is not true. I and everyone I know cares deeply and is following the hearings. Polls prove you wrong.

We are the suburban mothers who catch up on news when we can. We are also a major voting block.

Even the note she said she wrote and identified as her own handwriting is NOT true.

It's not? It's false? Have you read the thread?

I have. And this is my summation:

Trump tried to carjack the beast from way way in the back seat (stretch limo) and to do so, turned into elastic man to grab the driver’s clavicle. The men who have served four different presidents without an infraction are now lying sacks of crap (though clearly good enough to serve Obama) and this young woman is a hero. Did I sum that up right?

If you are talking about the Secret Service they have a history of being drunk “lying sacks of crap”. The SS personal involve are all trump loyalists and were replaced as soon as trump was forced from office. These same SS agents were not trusted by Pence. Pence refused to get into the car controlled by SS agents. He was tipped out. It is interesting the no one has come out on record from the secret service? Also why are you lying about the vehicle. It was an SUV. There is video of it.

Now if you want to throw shade we should question the SS agents who disobeyed a direct order from the president. He wanted to go to the Capitol. The SS has no authority to over rule the president. Too bad for you and your fail insurrection. Would have been a lot more killed if trump had made it to the Capitol.

These same SS agents served Obama as well. And two other Presidents besides Trump.

Ornato is a Trump political operative.

"Trump installed Tony Ornato -- his former lead US Secret Service agent --- as deputy chief of staff for operations in part bc FLOTUS --- then chief preferred him over Max Miller. But the move unnerved West Wing aides who knew the Secret Service was supposed to be non-political."
https://twitter.com/hugolowell/status/1518329760547540995

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"[S]enior Secret Service official Anthony Ornato was detailed to White House as a Trump political adviser. He's now back at USSS."
https://twitter.com/jkuhnhenn/status/1518321475173994498

We don’t know what Ornato’s angle is because he has not made any public statements yet. It’s best not to assume anything. He’s obviously testified. So if she said anything that contradicted his testimony he’d be defending himself from perjury. He’s not. Who knows show these “sources” are?

All these guys are going to understate what Trump did and said because they all want to stay tight with the Republican patronage network. The truth doesn’t get you sweet high-paying gigs.

They aren’t going to lie under oath though.

I mean, there’s a really good chance there are more witnesses that heard this story from people who were there. I’m sure it went around. Maybe Ornato embellished when he retold the story, but he did already confirm that Trump was irate about not going to the Capitol. That’s the important thing. Whether or not he assaulted an agent is honestly a tangent.

The actual important thing is that Trump knew there were weapons and violent people there that day and he didn’t care. He wanted to get Pence and a few other people killed and to prevent them from certifying the election. That’s the important thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Never ever in the history of testimony has someone ever given false testimony!

The ratings of these hearings are deplorable. The vast majority of the country has moved on. This grandstanding non both sides is wasting time and money. The country has moved on and is worried about inflation, crumbling infrastructure, and high gas prices. They really do not care as much as the small minority of posters here seem to think they do or should.

Completely false. Millions are watching. Millions want accountability.

MILLIONS are not watching. The ratings do not reflect.

They are watching. They are watching streaming which isn’t recorded by the ratings.

For every 1 person watching tv I know 20 who watch later via streaming.

Wrong. Nielsen +7 accounts for streaming.

No one I know on the left or right is watching nor do they care one bit!

You can keep telling yourself that until the cows come home but it simply is not true. I and everyone I know cares deeply and is following the hearings. Polls prove you wrong.

We are the suburban mothers who catch up on news when we can. We are also a major voting block.

Even the note she said she wrote and identified as her own handwriting is NOT true.

It's not? It's false? Have you read the thread?

I have. And this is my summation:

Trump tried to carjack the beast from way way in the back seat (stretch limo) and to do so, turned into elastic man to grab the driver’s clavicle. The men who have served four different presidents without an infraction are now lying sacks of crap (though clearly good enough to serve Obama) and this young woman is a hero. Did I sum that up right?

If you are talking about the Secret Service they have a history of being drunk “lying sacks of crap”. The SS personal involve are all trump loyalists and were replaced as soon as trump was forced from office. These same SS agents were not trusted by Pence. Pence refused to get into the car controlled by SS agents. He was tipped out. It is interesting the no one has come out on record from the secret service? Also why are you lying about the vehicle. It was an SUV. There is video of it.

Now if you want to throw shade we should question the SS agents who disobeyed a direct order from the president. He wanted to go to the Capitol. The SS has no authority to over rule the president. Too bad for you and your fail insurrection. Would have been a lot more killed if trump had made it to the Capitol.

These same SS agents served Obama as well. And two other Presidents besides Trump.

Ornato is a Trump political operative.

"Trump installed Tony Ornato -- his former lead US Secret Service agent --- as deputy chief of staff for operations in part bc FLOTUS --- then chief preferred him over Max Miller. But the move unnerved West Wing aides who knew the Secret Service was supposed to be non-political."
https://twitter.com/hugolowell/status/1518329760547540995

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"[S]enior Secret Service official Anthony Ornato was detailed to White House as a Trump political adviser. He's now back at USSS."
https://twitter.com/jkuhnhenn/status/1518321475173994498

We don’t know what Ornato’s angle is because he has not made any public statements yet. It’s best not to assume anything. He’s obviously testified. So if she said anything that contradicted his testimony he’d be defending himself from perjury. He’s not. Who knows show these “sources” are?

All these guys are going to understate what Trump did and said because they all want to stay tight with the Republican patronage network. The truth doesn’t get you sweet high-paying gigs.

They aren’t going to lie under oath though.

I am not as sure as you

Ornato, at least, is still employed by the Secret Service. I don't think he's going to lie under oath.

I'll wait until more information from actual people comes out - not from "a source close to the Secret Service." I can't believe the amount of people that have lost all ability to use critical thinking here. I actually heard WTOP characterize that as "the Secret Service pushing back." WHAT? No.

If the entire apparatus of the USSS begins pushing back against everything we know, we’re really going to have to address the right wing infiltration of our government.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Never ever in the history of testimony has someone ever given false testimony!

The ratings of these hearings are deplorable. The vast majority of the country has moved on. This grandstanding non both sides is wasting time and money. The country has moved on and is worried about inflation, crumbling infrastructure, and high gas prices. They really do not care as much as the small minority of posters here seem to think they do or should.

Completely false. Millions are watching. Millions want accountability.

MILLIONS are not watching. The ratings do not reflect.

They are watching. They are watching streaming which isn’t recorded by the ratings.

For every 1 person watching tv I know 20 who watch later via streaming.

Wrong. Nielsen +7 accounts for streaming.

No one I know on the left or right is watching nor do they care one bit!

You can keep telling yourself that until the cows come home but it simply is not true. I and everyone I know cares deeply and is following the hearings. Polls prove you wrong.

We are the suburban mothers who catch up on news when we can. We are also a major voting block.

Even the note she said she wrote and identified as her own handwriting is NOT true.

It's not? It's false? Have you read the thread?

I have. And this is my summation:

Trump tried to carjack the beast from way way in the back seat (stretch limo) and to do so, turned into elastic man to grab the driver’s clavicle. The men who have served four different presidents without an infraction are now lying sacks of crap (though clearly good enough to serve Obama) and this young woman is a hero. Did I sum that up right?

You might try actually watching/listening to the hearings before you make stuff up. Trump was in a Suburban, not a limo.

The beast is a stretch limo. Not ‘whatever car he’s in’. We know he was in a Suburban. We pointed it out. Then the twisting of the media started

Ornato called it the Beast. She just repeated what he told her.

It's bizarre to focus on this. WH staff since the Obama days has referred to both colloquially as The Beast.

McEnany also called it the beast in the tape they ran during Hutchinson's testimony. It seems "the beast" is just used by WH staff to refer to the armored cars that the president rides in, not to any specific car.

Correct, there is a fleet of Presidential vehicles that get called that. Just like there is a fleet of Presidential helicopters that get called "Marine One" - it's not just one.

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Anonymous wrote:Never ever in the history of testimony has someone ever given false testimony!

The ratings of these hearings are deplorable. The vast majority of the country has moved on. This grandstanding non both sides is wasting time and money. The country has moved on and is worried about inflation, crumbling infrastructure, and high gas prices. They really do not care as much as the small minority of posters here seem to think they do or should.

Completely false. Millions are watching. Millions want accountability.

MILLIONS are not watching. The ratings do not reflect.

They are watching. They are watching streaming which isn’t recorded by the ratings.

For every 1 person watching tv I know 20 who watch later via streaming.

Wrong. Nielsen +7 accounts for streaming.

No one I know on the left or right is watching nor do they care one bit!

You can keep telling yourself that until the cows come home but it simply is not true. I and everyone I know cares deeply and is following the hearings. Polls prove you wrong.

We are the suburban mothers who catch up on news when we can. We are also a major voting block.

Even the note she said she wrote and identified as her own handwriting is NOT true.

It's not? It's false? Have you read the thread?

I have. And this is my summation:

Trump tried to carjack the beast from way way in the back seat (stretch limo) and to do so, turned into elastic man to grab the driver’s clavicle. The men who have served four different presidents without an infraction are now lying sacks of crap (though clearly good enough to serve Obama) and this young woman is a hero. Did I sum that up right?

If you are talking about the Secret Service they have a history of being drunk “lying sacks of crap”. The SS personal involve are all trump loyalists and were replaced as soon as trump was forced from office. These same SS agents were not trusted by Pence. Pence refused to get into the car controlled by SS agents. He was tipped out. It is interesting the no one has come out on record from the secret service? Also why are you lying about the vehicle. It was an SUV. There is video of it.

Now if you want to throw shade we should question the SS agents who disobeyed a direct order from the president. He wanted to go to the Capitol. The SS has no authority to over rule the president. Too bad for you and your fail insurrection. Would have been a lot more killed if trump had made it to the Capitol.

These same SS agents served Obama as well. And two other Presidents besides Trump.

Ornato is a Trump political operative.

"Trump installed Tony Ornato -- his former lead US Secret Service agent --- as deputy chief of staff for operations in part bc FLOTUS --- then chief preferred him over Max Miller. But the move unnerved West Wing aides who knew the Secret Service was supposed to be non-political."
https://twitter.com/hugolowell/status/1518329760547540995

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"[S]enior Secret Service official Anthony Ornato was detailed to White House as a Trump political adviser. He's now back at USSS."
https://twitter.com/jkuhnhenn/status/1518321475173994498

We don’t know what Ornato’s angle is because he has not made any public statements yet. It’s best not to assume anything. He’s obviously testified. So if she said anything that contradicted his testimony he’d be defending himself from perjury. He’s not. Who knows show these “sources” are?

All these guys are going to understate what Trump did and said because they all want to stay tight with the Republican patronage network. The truth doesn’t get you sweet high-paying gigs.

They aren’t going to lie under oath though.

I am not as sure as you

Ornato, at least, is still employed by the Secret Service. I don't think he's going to lie under oath.

I'll wait until more information from actual people comes out - not from "a source close to the Secret Service." I can't believe the amount of people that have lost all ability to use critical thinking here. I actually heard WTOP characterize that as "the Secret Service pushing back." WHAT? No.

If the entire apparatus of the USSS begins pushing back against everything we know, we’re really going to have to address the right wing infiltration of our government.

My point is that the USSS HASN'T pushed back. They released a statement that said almost nothing - we've cooperated, we'll continue cooperating, and we'll address anything new. The only "pushback" if from an anonymous source reported by CBS News. It's astounding the conclusions that have been jumped to.

[Anonymous]

To recap:

Trump knew large numbers of people in the crowd were armed—or auto told Meadows and Hutchinson.

Trump wanted the armed crowd to move toward the Capitol and “stop the steal”.

The VP and the Speaker were at the Capitol.

Trump knew there were threats against the VP and didn’t ask supporters to be peaceful and stay away from the Capitol—he encouraged them to go there and fight, naming the VP as someone who didn’t do what needed to be done to stop the election.

The violent crowd within 40 ft of the VP.

If he had been killed, I would say Trump could be tried for felony murder. Luckily the VP wasn’t killed. It was “just” a failed coup.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To recap:

Trump knew large numbers of people in the crowd were armed—Ornato told Meadows and Hutchinson that he had informed the president of that fact.

Trump wanted the armed crowd to move toward the Capitol and “stop the steal”.

The VP and the Speaker were at the Capitol.

Trump knew there were threats against the VP and didn’t ask supporters to be peaceful and stay away from the Capitol—he encouraged them to go there and fight, naming the VP as someone who didn’t do what needed to be done to stop the election.

The violent crowd within 40 ft of the VP.

If he had been killed, I would say Trump could be tried for felony murder. Luckily the VP wasn’t killed. It was “just” a failed coup.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Gotta love it.
She’s pretty, and so soft spoken. She’s meek, mild, and subservient to these old dudes.
And she’s gonna cook ‘em.

One thing surprises me is that she calls them by their first name. I would have thought it was more formal in The WH.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Gotta love it.
She’s pretty, and so soft spoken. She’s meek, mild, and subservient to these old dudes.
And she’s gonna cook ‘em.

One thing surprises me is that she calls them by their first name. I would have thought it was more formal in The WH.

It isn’t at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gotta love it.
She’s pretty, and so soft spoken. She’s meek, mild, and subservient to these old dudes.
And she’s gonna cook ‘em.

One thing surprises me is that she calls them by their first name. I would have thought it was more formal in The WH.

Nope, especially not that one

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Gotta love it.
She’s pretty, and so soft spoken. She’s meek, mild, and subservient to these old dudes.
And she’s gonna cook ‘em.

One thing surprises me is that she calls them by their first name. I would have thought it was more formal in The WH.

It isn’t at all.

No. Times have changed since The West Wing.

[Anonymous]

^ meant, I agree with you!