Travis and Taylor

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m in my late-ish forties and am late to TS fandom, but here is why I like her:
She isn’t trying to shift her perspective and art to be masculine in any way.
She doesn’t care if guys get it.
And by being her authentic self, plenty of men do get it! I think Travis may be one of those guys ( trying to steer back to topic 😀)
I came of age in the 90’s and this is really powerful for me, because some much of the art, music, humor, and aesthetic of the 90’s was male centered. Their thoughts wants and perspectives were the default.
I love her for this.

Late forty’s here too. I dislike her because even though she pretends to be authentic, most songs she sings use put down tactics to make her point. She IS a powerful person, but she doesn’t acknowledge that in her songs without slighting others. I find it a weak version of feminine power because she isn’t’ owning it herself, she is putting others down to show her power.

This is gwen Stefani saying, this sucks to be a woman and I’m going to call you on it. I see it, and I don’t like it.


Take this pink ribbon off my eyes
I'm exposed and it's no big surprise
Don't you think I know exactly where I stand?
This world is forcing me to hold your hand

Oh, I'm just a girl, my apologies
What I've become is so burdensome
Oh, I'm just a girl, lucky me
Twiddle-dum, there's no comparison

The politics of gender are at play and being lambasted. It isn’t directed at individuals, but society in general.


This, like most Taylor songs, is Taylor talking her own power. She starts off well, but then throws in slighting other people in the process

Never be so polite, you forget your power
Never wield such power, you forget to be polite
And if I didn’t know better
I’d think you were listening to me now
If I didn’t know better
I’d think you were still around

Even this classic that gets thrown around is Taylor putting people down “you need to calm down”. She thinks she can have and express all of her big emotions, but if someone does that to her, telling them to calm down and minimize their feelings is super important.

And we see you over there on the internet
Comparing all the girls who are killing it
But we figured you out
We all know now, we all got crowns
You need to calm down

I don’t respect these lyrics because I don’t thinks slighting people is a good thing.

You think it’s a bad thing to call out internet trolls?
Oh wait…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m in my late-ish forties and am late to TS fandom, but here is why I like her:
She isn’t trying to shift her perspective and art to be masculine in any way.
She doesn’t care if guys get it.
And by being her authentic self, plenty of men do get it! I think Travis may be one of those guys ( trying to steer back to topic 😀)
I came of age in the 90’s and this is really powerful for me, because some much of the art, music, humor, and aesthetic of the 90’s was male centered. Their thoughts wants and perspectives were the default.
I love her for this.

Late forty’s here too. I dislike her because even though she pretends to be authentic, most songs she sings use put down tactics to make her point. She IS a powerful person, but she doesn’t acknowledge that in her songs without slighting others. I find it a weak version of feminine power because she isn’t’ owning it herself, she is putting others down to show her power.

This is gwen Stefani saying, this sucks to be a woman and I’m going to call you on it. I see it, and I don’t like it.


Take this pink ribbon off my eyes
I'm exposed and it's no big surprise
Don't you think I know exactly where I stand?
This world is forcing me to hold your hand

Oh, I'm just a girl, my apologies
What I've become is so burdensome
Oh, I'm just a girl, lucky me
Twiddle-dum, there's no comparison

The politics of gender are at play and being lambasted. It isn’t directed at individuals, but society in general.


This, like most Taylor songs, is Taylor talking her own power. She starts off well, but then throws in slighting other people in the process

Never be so polite, you forget your power
Never wield such power, you forget to be polite
And if I didn’t know better
I’d think you were listening to me now
If I didn’t know better
I’d think you were still around

Even this classic that gets thrown around is Taylor putting people down “you need to calm down”. She thinks she can have and express all of her big emotions, but if someone does that to her, telling them to calm down and minimize their feelings is super important.

And we see you over there on the internet
Comparing all the girls who are killing it
But we figured you out
We all know now, we all got crowns
You need to calm down

I don’t respect these lyrics because I don’t thinks slighting people is a good thing.

This long winded post is nonsensical.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m in my late-ish forties and am late to TS fandom, but here is why I like her:
She isn’t trying to shift her perspective and art to be masculine in any way.
She doesn’t care if guys get it.
And by being her authentic self, plenty of men do get it! I think Travis may be one of those guys ( trying to steer back to topic 😀)
I came of age in the 90’s and this is really powerful for me, because some much of the art, music, humor, and aesthetic of the 90’s was male centered. Their thoughts wants and perspectives were the default.
I love her for this.

Late forty’s here too. I dislike her because even though she pretends to be authentic, most songs she sings use put down tactics to make her point. She IS a powerful person, but she doesn’t acknowledge that in her songs without slighting others. I find it a weak version of feminine power because she isn’t’ owning it herself, she is putting others down to show her power.

This is gwen Stefani saying, this sucks to be a woman and I’m going to call you on it. I see it, and I don’t like it.


Take this pink ribbon off my eyes
I'm exposed and it's no big surprise
Don't you think I know exactly where I stand?
This world is forcing me to hold your hand

Oh, I'm just a girl, my apologies
What I've become is so burdensome
Oh, I'm just a girl, lucky me
Twiddle-dum, there's no comparison

The politics of gender are at play and being lambasted. It isn’t directed at individuals, but society in general.


This, like most Taylor songs, is Taylor talking her own power. She starts off well, but then throws in slighting other people in the process

Never be so polite, you forget your power
Never wield such power, you forget to be polite
And if I didn’t know better
I’d think you were listening to me now
If I didn’t know better
I’d think you were still around

Even this classic that gets thrown around is Taylor putting people down “you need to calm down”. She thinks she can have and express all of her big emotions, but if someone does that to her, telling them to calm down and minimize their feelings is super important.

And we see you over there on the internet
Comparing all the girls who are killing it
But we figured you out
We all know now, we all got crowns
You need to calm down

I don’t respect these lyrics because I don’t thinks slighting people is a good thing.

This long winded post is nonsensical.

Where does she slight anyone in the lyrics to marjorie? it’s a tribute to her dead grandmother. she’s the one the narrator is talking to (if i didn’t know better…)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m in my late-ish forties and am late to TS fandom, but here is why I like her:
She isn’t trying to shift her perspective and art to be masculine in any way.
She doesn’t care if guys get it.
And by being her authentic self, plenty of men do get it! I think Travis may be one of those guys ( trying to steer back to topic 😀)
I came of age in the 90’s and this is really powerful for me, because some much of the art, music, humor, and aesthetic of the 90’s was male centered. Their thoughts wants and perspectives were the default.
I love her for this.

Late forty’s here too. I dislike her because even though she pretends to be authentic, most songs she sings use put down tactics to make her point. She IS a powerful person, but she doesn’t acknowledge that in her songs without slighting others. I find it a weak version of feminine power because she isn’t’ owning it herself, she is putting others down to show her power.

This is gwen Stefani saying, this sucks to be a woman and I’m going to call you on it. I see it, and I don’t like it.


Take this pink ribbon off my eyes
I'm exposed and it's no big surprise
Don't you think I know exactly where I stand?
This world is forcing me to hold your hand

Oh, I'm just a girl, my apologies
What I've become is so burdensome
Oh, I'm just a girl, lucky me
Twiddle-dum, there's no comparison

The politics of gender are at play and being lambasted. It isn’t directed at individuals, but society in general.


This, like most Taylor songs, is Taylor talking her own power. She starts off well, but then throws in slighting other people in the process

Never be so polite, you forget your power
Never wield such power, you forget to be polite
And if I didn’t know better
I’d think you were listening to me now
If I didn’t know better
I’d think you were still around

Even this classic that gets thrown around is Taylor putting people down “you need to calm down”. She thinks she can have and express all of her big emotions, but if someone does that to her, telling them to calm down and minimize their feelings is super important.

And we see you over there on the internet
Comparing all the girls who are killing it
But we figured you out
We all know now, we all got crowns
You need to calm down

I don’t respect these lyrics because I don’t thinks slighting people is a good thing.

This long winded post is nonsensical.

Pp is getting at how Taylor Swift frames power in her songs. To pp, TS defines her power by putting down others rather than being separatelybsteong. At least that's my interpretation.

[Anonymous]

Separately strong

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m in my late-ish forties and am late to TS fandom, but here is why I like her:
She isn’t trying to shift her perspective and art to be masculine in any way.
She doesn’t care if guys get it.
And by being her authentic self, plenty of men do get it! I think Travis may be one of those guys ( trying to steer back to topic 😀)
I came of age in the 90’s and this is really powerful for me, because some much of the art, music, humor, and aesthetic of the 90’s was male centered. Their thoughts wants and perspectives were the default.
I love her for this.

Late forty’s here too. I dislike her because even though she pretends to be authentic, most songs she sings use put down tactics to make her point. She IS a powerful person, but she doesn’t acknowledge that in her songs without slighting others. I find it a weak version of feminine power because she isn’t’ owning it herself, she is putting others down to show her power.

This is gwen Stefani saying, this sucks to be a woman and I’m going to call you on it. I see it, and I don’t like it.


Take this pink ribbon off my eyes
I'm exposed and it's no big surprise
Don't you think I know exactly where I stand?
This world is forcing me to hold your hand

Oh, I'm just a girl, my apologies
What I've become is so burdensome
Oh, I'm just a girl, lucky me
Twiddle-dum, there's no comparison

The politics of gender are at play and being lambasted. It isn’t directed at individuals, but society in general.


This, like most Taylor songs, is Taylor talking her own power. She starts off well, but then throws in slighting other people in the process

Never be so polite, you forget your power
Never wield such power, you forget to be polite
And if I didn’t know better
I’d think you were listening to me now
If I didn’t know better
I’d think you were still around

Even this classic that gets thrown around is Taylor putting people down “you need to calm down”. She thinks she can have and express all of her big emotions, but if someone does that to her, telling them to calm down and minimize their feelings is super important.

And we see you over there on the internet
Comparing all the girls who are killing it
But we figured you out
We all know now, we all got crowns
You need to calm down

I don’t respect these lyrics because I don’t thinks slighting people is a good thing.

This long winded post is nonsensical.

Where does she slight anyone in the lyrics to marjorie? it’s a tribute to her dead grandmother. she’s the one the narrator is talking to (if i didn’t know better…)

Ha- didn’t realize I had the wrong lyric highlighted.

And there's nothin' like a mad woman
What a shame she went mad
No one likes a mad woman
You made her like that
And you'll poke that bear 'til her claws come out
And you find something to wrap your noose around
And there's nothin' like a mad woman

It was this one.

And yes, I am pointing out specific lyrics (or trying to LOL) that show Taylor attempts gaining power by putting the blame on others or by putting people down. My point is that I don’t live like that and that part of her doesn’t resonate with me at all because I find it counterproductive and disrespectful. Point out inequities, say you are dealing with them, but constantly blaming others or putting people down isn’t something I respect.
I’m old, I get that, but is the quality of blaming or shaming others really that much different than what Taylor experienced when she was bullied? I ‘m just saying that doesn’t make me respect her as much as I do other artists. It is probably generational, but I was responding to another person my age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m in my late-ish forties and am late to TS fandom, but here is why I like her:
She isn’t trying to shift her perspective and art to be masculine in any way.
She doesn’t care if guys get it.
And by being her authentic self, plenty of men do get it! I think Travis may be one of those guys ( trying to steer back to topic 😀)
I came of age in the 90’s and this is really powerful for me, because some much of the art, music, humor, and aesthetic of the 90’s was male centered. Their thoughts wants and perspectives were the default.
I love her for this.

Late forty’s here too. I dislike her because even though she pretends to be authentic, most songs she sings use put down tactics to make her point. She IS a powerful person, but she doesn’t acknowledge that in her songs without slighting others. I find it a weak version of feminine power because she isn’t’ owning it herself, she is putting others down to show her power.

This is gwen Stefani saying, this sucks to be a woman and I’m going to call you on it. I see it, and I don’t like it.


Take this pink ribbon off my eyes
I'm exposed and it's no big surprise
Don't you think I know exactly where I stand?
This world is forcing me to hold your hand

Oh, I'm just a girl, my apologies
What I've become is so burdensome
Oh, I'm just a girl, lucky me
Twiddle-dum, there's no comparison

The politics of gender are at play and being lambasted. It isn’t directed at individuals, but society in general.


This, like most Taylor songs, is Taylor talking her own power. She starts off well, but then throws in slighting other people in the process

Never be so polite, you forget your power
Never wield such power, you forget to be polite
And if I didn’t know better
I’d think you were listening to me now
If I didn’t know better
I’d think you were still around

Even this classic that gets thrown around is Taylor putting people down “you need to calm down”. She thinks she can have and express all of her big emotions, but if someone does that to her, telling them to calm down and minimize their feelings is super important.

And we see you over there on the internet
Comparing all the girls who are killing it
But we figured you out
We all know now, we all got crowns
You need to calm down

I don’t respect these lyrics because I don’t thinks slighting people is a good thing.

This long winded post is nonsensical.

Where does she slight anyone in the lyrics to marjorie? it’s a tribute to her dead grandmother. she’s the one the narrator is talking to (if i didn’t know better…)

Ha- didn’t realize I had the wrong lyric highlighted.

And there's nothin' like a mad woman
What a shame she went mad
No one likes a mad woman
You made her like that
And you'll poke that bear 'til her claws come out
And you find something to wrap your noose around
And there's nothin' like a mad woman

It was this one.

And yes, I am pointing out specific lyrics (or trying to LOL) that show Taylor attempts gaining power by putting the blame on others or by putting people down. My point is that I don’t live like that and that part of her doesn’t resonate with me at all because I find it counterproductive and disrespectful. Point out inequities, say you are dealing with them, but constantly blaming others or putting people down isn’t something I respect.
I’m old, I get that, but is the quality of blaming or shaming others really that much different than what Taylor experienced when she was bullied? I ‘m just saying that doesn’t make me respect her as much as I do other artists. It is probably generational, but I was responding to another person my age.

Taylor's self-reporting of being bullied has been exaggerated.

[Anonymous]

I appreciate your perspective and analysis 🧐 f the madwoman lyrics.
As a pathological people pleaser myself, I can identify with the idea of someone in power taking advantage of your gentleness/kindness and then finally reaching your threshold only to have the same people gaslight you. That is what speaks to me in those specific lyrics.
While Taylor’s work is (mostly) autobiographical, the reason it is as popular as it is is because it is relatable. Love her, hate her or simply ignore her, she’s a talented artist who contributes heavily to the popular culture fabric of our society.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m in my late-ish forties and am late to TS fandom, but here is why I like her:
She isn’t trying to shift her perspective and art to be masculine in any way.
She doesn’t care if guys get it.
And by being her authentic self, plenty of men do get it! I think Travis may be one of those guys ( trying to steer back to topic 😀)
I came of age in the 90’s and this is really powerful for me, because some much of the art, music, humor, and aesthetic of the 90’s was male centered. Their thoughts wants and perspectives were the default.
I love her for this.

Late forty’s here too. I dislike her because even though she pretends to be authentic, most songs she sings use put down tactics to make her point. She IS a powerful person, but she doesn’t acknowledge that in her songs without slighting others. I find it a weak version of feminine power because she isn’t’ owning it herself, she is putting others down to show her power.

This is gwen Stefani saying, this sucks to be a woman and I’m going to call you on it. I see it, and I don’t like it.


Take this pink ribbon off my eyes
I'm exposed and it's no big surprise
Don't you think I know exactly where I stand?
This world is forcing me to hold your hand

Oh, I'm just a girl, my apologies
What I've become is so burdensome
Oh, I'm just a girl, lucky me
Twiddle-dum, there's no comparison

The politics of gender are at play and being lambasted. It isn’t directed at individuals, but society in general.


This, like most Taylor songs, is Taylor talking her own power. She starts off well, but then throws in slighting other people in the process

Never be so polite, you forget your power
Never wield such power, you forget to be polite
And if I didn’t know better
I’d think you were listening to me now
If I didn’t know better
I’d think you were still around

Even this classic that gets thrown around is Taylor putting people down “you need to calm down”. She thinks she can have and express all of her big emotions, but if someone does that to her, telling them to calm down and minimize their feelings is super important.

And we see you over there on the internet
Comparing all the girls who are killing it
But we figured you out
We all know now, we all got crowns
You need to calm down

I don’t respect these lyrics because I don’t thinks slighting people is a good thing.

This long winded post is nonsensical.

Where does she slight anyone in the lyrics to marjorie? it’s a tribute to her dead grandmother. she’s the one the narrator is talking to (if i didn’t know better…)

Ha- didn’t realize I had the wrong lyric highlighted.

And there's nothin' like a mad woman
What a shame she went mad
No one likes a mad woman
You made her like that
And you'll poke that bear 'til her claws come out
And you find something to wrap your noose around
And there's nothin' like a mad woman

It was this one.

And yes, I am pointing out specific lyrics (or trying to LOL) that show Taylor attempts gaining power by putting the blame on others or by putting people down. My point is that I don’t live like that and that part of her doesn’t resonate with me at all because I find it counterproductive and disrespectful. Point out inequities, say you are dealing with them, but constantly blaming others or putting people down isn’t something I respect.
I’m old, I get that, but is the quality of blaming or shaming others really that much different than what Taylor experienced when she was bullied? I ‘m just saying that doesn’t make me respect her as much as I do other artists. It is probably generational, but I was responding to another person my age.

I 100% read the bolded as dissing society and what it does to women. Individuals, society, all of it. It's a general commentary. The rest of the song is supposedly about Scooter Braun, and if you have a problem with her dissing him, you just don't get any of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m in my late-ish forties and am late to TS fandom, but here is why I like her:
She isn’t trying to shift her perspective and art to be masculine in any way.
She doesn’t care if guys get it.
And by being her authentic self, plenty of men do get it! I think Travis may be one of those guys ( trying to steer back to topic 😀)
I came of age in the 90’s and this is really powerful for me, because some much of the art, music, humor, and aesthetic of the 90’s was male centered. Their thoughts wants and perspectives were the default.
I love her for this.

Late forty’s here too. I dislike her because even though she pretends to be authentic, most songs she sings use put down tactics to make her point. She IS a powerful person, but she doesn’t acknowledge that in her songs without slighting others. I find it a weak version of feminine power because she isn’t’ owning it herself, she is putting others down to show her power.

This is gwen Stefani saying, this sucks to be a woman and I’m going to call you on it. I see it, and I don’t like it.


Take this pink ribbon off my eyes
I'm exposed and it's no big surprise
Don't you think I know exactly where I stand?
This world is forcing me to hold your hand

Oh, I'm just a girl, my apologies
What I've become is so burdensome
Oh, I'm just a girl, lucky me
Twiddle-dum, there's no comparison

The politics of gender are at play and being lambasted. It isn’t directed at individuals, but society in general.


This, like most Taylor songs, is Taylor talking her own power. She starts off well, but then throws in slighting other people in the process

Never be so polite, you forget your power
Never wield such power, you forget to be polite
And if I didn’t know better
I’d think you were listening to me now
If I didn’t know better
I’d think you were still around

Even this classic that gets thrown around is Taylor putting people down “you need to calm down”. She thinks she can have and express all of her big emotions, but if someone does that to her, telling them to calm down and minimize their feelings is super important.

And we see you over there on the internet
Comparing all the girls who are killing it
But we figured you out
We all know now, we all got crowns
You need to calm down

I don’t respect these lyrics because I don’t thinks slighting people is a good thing.

This long winded post is nonsensical.

Where does she slight anyone in the lyrics to marjorie? it’s a tribute to her dead grandmother. she’s the one the narrator is talking to (if i didn’t know better…)

Ha- didn’t realize I had the wrong lyric highlighted.

And there's nothin' like a mad woman
What a shame she went mad
No one likes a mad woman
You made her like that
And you'll poke that bear 'til her claws come out
And you find something to wrap your noose around
And there's nothin' like a mad woman

It was this one.

And yes, I am pointing out specific lyrics (or trying to LOL) that show Taylor attempts gaining power by putting the blame on others or by putting people down. My point is that I don’t live like that and that part of her doesn’t resonate with me at all because I find it counterproductive and disrespectful. Point out inequities, say you are dealing with them, but constantly blaming others or putting people down isn’t something I respect.
I’m old, I get that, but is the quality of blaming or shaming others really that much different than what Taylor experienced when she was bullied? I ‘m just saying that doesn’t make me respect her as much as I do other artists. It is probably generational, but I was responding to another person my age.

I 100% read the bolded as dissing society and what it does to women. Individuals, society, all of it. It's a general commentary. The rest of the song is supposedly about Scooter Braun, and if you have a problem with her dissing him, you just don't get any of it.

Exactly this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m in my late-ish forties and am late to TS fandom, but here is why I like her:
She isn’t trying to shift her perspective and art to be masculine in any way.
She doesn’t care if guys get it.
And by being her authentic self, plenty of men do get it! I think Travis may be one of those guys ( trying to steer back to topic 😀)
I came of age in the 90’s and this is really powerful for me, because some much of the art, music, humor, and aesthetic of the 90’s was male centered. Their thoughts wants and perspectives were the default.
I love her for this.

Huh. I thought of the 90s as turning toward a new wave of female representation. In the strong vocals, aesthetics, characters in TV and movies. And also in political representation. Maybe I saw it more as a surge toward rather than an arrival, you know? Or else you and I grew up in different media bubbles.

Yeah hard disagree. With few exceptions the female artists were packaged to be relatable to men. Specifically Gwen and Alanis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m in my late-ish forties and am late to TS fandom, but here is why I like her:
She isn’t trying to shift her perspective and art to be masculine in any way.
She doesn’t care if guys get it.
And by being her authentic self, plenty of men do get it! I think Travis may be one of those guys ( trying to steer back to topic 😀)
I came of age in the 90’s and this is really powerful for me, because some much of the art, music, humor, and aesthetic of the 90’s was male centered. Their thoughts wants and perspectives were the default.
I love her for this.

Huh. I thought of the 90s as turning toward a new wave of female representation. In the strong vocals, aesthetics, characters in TV and movies. And also in political representation. Maybe I saw it more as a surge toward rather than an arrival, you know? Or else you and I grew up in different media bubbles.

Yeah hard disagree. With few exceptions the female artists were packaged to be relatable to men. Specifically Gwen and Alanis.

Alanis? From what I remember there was little from her image that was targeted to men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m in my late-ish forties and am late to TS fandom, but here is why I like her:
She isn’t trying to shift her perspective and art to be masculine in any way.
She doesn’t care if guys get it.
And by being her authentic self, plenty of men do get it! I think Travis may be one of those guys ( trying to steer back to topic 😀)
I came of age in the 90’s and this is really powerful for me, because some much of the art, music, humor, and aesthetic of the 90’s was male centered. Their thoughts wants and perspectives were the default.
I love her for this.

Huh. I thought of the 90s as turning toward a new wave of female representation. In the strong vocals, aesthetics, characters in TV and movies. And also in political representation. Maybe I saw it more as a surge toward rather than an arrival, you know? Or else you and I grew up in different media bubbles.

Yeah hard disagree. With few exceptions the female artists were packaged to be relatable to men. Specifically Gwen and Alanis.

Alanis? From what I remember there was little from her image that was targeted to men.

It wasn’t about sex appeal. It was anger, aggression, and the mosh pit.
She steered herself away eventually, but they pushed her hard at first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m in my late-ish forties and am late to TS fandom, but here is why I like her:
She isn’t trying to shift her perspective and art to be masculine in any way.
She doesn’t care if guys get it.
And by being her authentic self, plenty of men do get it! I think Travis may be one of those guys ( trying to steer back to topic 😀)
I came of age in the 90’s and this is really powerful for me, because some much of the art, music, humor, and aesthetic of the 90’s was male centered. Their thoughts wants and perspectives were the default.
I love her for this.

Late forty’s here too. I dislike her because even though she pretends to be authentic, most songs she sings use put down tactics to make her point. She IS a powerful person, but she doesn’t acknowledge that in her songs without slighting others. I find it a weak version of feminine power because she isn’t’ owning it herself, she is putting others down to show her power.

This is gwen Stefani saying, this sucks to be a woman and I’m going to call you on it. I see it, and I don’t like it.


Take this pink ribbon off my eyes
I'm exposed and it's no big surprise
Don't you think I know exactly where I stand?
This world is forcing me to hold your hand

Oh, I'm just a girl, my apologies
What I've become is so burdensome
Oh, I'm just a girl, lucky me
Twiddle-dum, there's no comparison

The politics of gender are at play and being lambasted. It isn’t directed at individuals, but society in general.


This, like most Taylor songs, is Taylor talking her own power. She starts off well, but then throws in slighting other people in the process

Never be so polite, you forget your power
Never wield such power, you forget to be polite
And if I didn’t know better
I’d think you were listening to me now
If I didn’t know better
I’d think you were still around

Even this classic that gets thrown around is Taylor putting people down “you need to calm down”. She thinks she can have and express all of her big emotions, but if someone does that to her, telling them to calm down and minimize their feelings is super important.

And we see you over there on the internet
Comparing all the girls who are killing it
But we figured you out
We all know now, we all got crowns
You need to calm down

I don’t respect these lyrics because I don’t thinks slighting people is a good thing.

DP. Exactly who is she slighting in either of these songs? The first one is a song about her grandmother! The second one is her calling out internet trolls who have only negative, nasty things to say about successful women. Kind of like this thread and the one about Kate Middleton!

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in my late-ish forties and am late to TS fandom, but here is why I like her:
She isn’t trying to shift her perspective and art to be masculine in any way.
She doesn’t care if guys get it.
And by being her authentic self, plenty of men do get it! I think Travis may be one of those guys ( trying to steer back to topic 😀)
I came of age in the 90’s and this is really powerful for me, because some much of the art, music, humor, and aesthetic of the 90’s was male centered. Their thoughts wants and perspectives were the default.
I love her for this.

Late forty’s here too. I dislike her because even though she pretends to be authentic, most songs she sings use put down tactics to make her point. She IS a powerful person, but she doesn’t acknowledge that in her songs without slighting others. I find it a weak version of feminine power because she isn’t’ owning it herself, she is putting others down to show her power.

This is gwen Stefani saying, this sucks to be a woman and I’m going to call you on it. I see it, and I don’t like it.


Take this pink ribbon off my eyes
I'm exposed and it's no big surprise
Don't you think I know exactly where I stand?
This world is forcing me to hold your hand

Oh, I'm just a girl, my apologies
What I've become is so burdensome
Oh, I'm just a girl, lucky me
Twiddle-dum, there's no comparison

The politics of gender are at play and being lambasted. It isn’t directed at individuals, but society in general.


This, like most Taylor songs, is Taylor talking her own power. She starts off well, but then throws in slighting other people in the process

Never be so polite, you forget your power
Never wield such power, you forget to be polite
And if I didn’t know better
I’d think you were listening to me now
If I didn’t know better
I’d think you were still around

Even this classic that gets thrown around is Taylor putting people down “you need to calm down”. She thinks she can have and express all of her big emotions, but if someone does that to her, telling them to calm down and minimize their feelings is super important.

And we see you over there on the internet
Comparing all the girls who are killing it
But we figured you out
We all know now, we all got crowns
You need to calm down

I don’t respect these lyrics because I don’t thinks slighting people is a good thing.

This long winded post is nonsensical.

Where does she slight anyone in the lyrics to marjorie? it’s a tribute to her dead grandmother. she’s the one the narrator is talking to (if i didn’t know better…)

Ha- didn’t realize I had the wrong lyric highlighted.

And there's nothin' like a mad woman
What a shame she went mad
No one likes a mad woman
You made her like that
And you'll poke that bear 'til her claws come out
And you find something to wrap your noose around
And there's nothin' like a mad woman

It was this one.

And yes, I am pointing out specific lyrics (or trying to LOL) that show Taylor attempts gaining power by putting the blame on others or by putting people down. My point is that I don’t live like that and that part of her doesn’t resonate with me at all because I find it counterproductive and disrespectful. Point out inequities, say you are dealing with them, but constantly blaming others or putting people down isn’t something I respect.
I’m old, I get that, but is the quality of blaming or shaming others really that much different than what Taylor experienced when she was bullied? I ‘m just saying that doesn’t make me respect her as much as I do other artists. It is probably generational, but I was responding to another person my age.

Taylor's self-reporting of being bullied has been exaggerated.

How on earth would you know this?
DP