Travis and Taylor

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t the album a flop? What singles are been pop hits?

What planet are you on? Seriously where are you getting information and news?


https://www.newser.com/story/349704/taylor-swift-is-taking-up-a-third-of-billboards-hot-100.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=nordot&utm_campaign=rss_main

https://boomsite.fm/prep/taylor-swifts-the-tortured-poets-department-is-no-1-for-the-seventh-straight-week/

The album is number #1 yes but she has no breakout singles. Fortnight fizzled out and there are no other big singles.

Fortnight sat at number 1 on billboard hot 100 a couple of weeks, and has been charted since release. It’s slipped out of top 10 after 2 months. Is that a fizzle? I don’t know what expectations would be, so I won’t speculate.
BUT Break out big singles have never been her thing. She sells albums. She literally sells the same album to people like 6 different ways.
It’s crazy.
But yes selling a gajillion albums means you are not a “flop”

+1
Not to mention her Eras tour, which has outsold every other concert tour before it. She has made history, like her or not. And we all know there are some who dislike her for... reasons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t the album a flop? What singles are been pop hits?

What planet are you on? Seriously where are you getting information and news?


https://www.newser.com/story/349704/taylor-swift-is-taking-up-a-third-of-billboards-hot-100.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=nordot&utm_campaign=rss_main

https://boomsite.fm/prep/taylor-swifts-the-tortured-poets-department-is-no-1-for-the-seventh-straight-week/

The album is number #1 yes but she has no breakout singles. Fortnight fizzled out and there are no other big singles.

Fortnight sat at number 1 on billboard hot 100 a couple of weeks, and has been charted since release. It’s slipped out of top 10 after 2 months. Is that a fizzle? I don’t know what expectations would be, so I won’t speculate.
BUT Break out big singles have never been her thing. She sells albums. She literally sells the same album to people like 6 different ways.
It’s crazy.
But yes selling a gajillion albums means you are not a “flop”

Milking her rabid fan base to buy her albums is not the same as commercial pop success. The album has not produced any pop hits. Just a fact. And please don't act like she doesn't care about pop single success.

DP. You know no one listens to the radio anymore, right? And that millions upon millions of people are streaming her music all the time, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who cares it's all the same fan girls listening to it

And here you are to scold us!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You people are loons.
She took bits and pieces and strong feelings and made something out of it.
She crafted songs and then wanted to play them for the world because she was proud of them.
She is proud of herself.
And she deserves to be.
And I don’t know how you think this album “landed” other than with millions of sales and her dominating the charts.
Also with plenty of critical acclaim.

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The first time I heard her latest album, I actually hated it. So many words! I told my daughter she needed an editor. But then I listened to it again, several times, over and over - and now I love it. There are only a few songs I don't like - the rest are fantastic. I think she outdid herself. And the weirdos who take every word literally are beyond silly.

I didn’t like the album at first but now I love it too. That said, there is no denying that Taylor is not that deep and the vast majority of her songs are about love and men, and in particular one man. That much became apparent in TTPD. “All those nights you kept me going, swirled you into all of my poems.”

She has said in the past that books, movies, and fiction inspired some of her songs and albums, but I think that was a ruse so she can freely express feelings and longings while in a relationship with another and also so she can appear more complex than a smitten woman.

I don't know - some of my favorite songs are the ones about other people, whether real or fictional. The Bolter, The Last Great American Dynasty, Clara Bow, Peter. She takes the experiences of other women and beautifully parallels them to her own. I think she's an incredible writer and actually do think she's got a lot of depth.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Swift could record an hour of her taking violent bowel movements and people would force themselves to listen to it until they loved it. It would sell in the millions. She has succeeded in turning grown women into fan babies.

Yep. This album didn't have any singles that generated broad commercial success. Now her fans pivot to saying she doesn't want successful singles? Yeah, right. No pop hits means this album was her least successful ever in generating broad commercial appeal. That's terrifying at her age because it's so rare for a pop star in their mid 30s to ever have another #1 pop single.

DP. I find it hilarious that you're implying TS is in any way waning in success. She's never been more successful. She's at the very top of her game right now. But do go on!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Swift could record an hour of her taking violent bowel movements and people would force themselves to listen to it until they loved it. It would sell in the millions. She has succeeded in turning grown women into fan babies.

Yep. This album didn't have any singles that generated broad commercial success. Now her fans pivot to saying she doesn't want successful singles? Yeah, right. :roll: No pop hits means this album was her least successful ever in generating broad commercial appeal. That's terrifying at her age because it's so rare for a pop star in their mid 30s to ever have another #1 pop single.

She may still release more of the songs as singles. I Can Do it With a Broken Heart would probably do well. The first singles released for a lot of her albums didn't do as well as later releases. Look at Blank Space or Cruel Summer. They were not the first singles released for either album but did amazing when they were released. Cruel Summer didn't become popular until like 4 years after it was originally released.

Sure, release more singles and they will flop too, further cementing the point this album was a dud outside of milking her same cray cray fans.

Fortnight - 2 weeks at number 1 on the billboard hot 100
2 months in top 10 on the billboard hot 100.
You are entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts.

Props to Taylor for not using her jet to fly in for the ring ceremony.

:D

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people are loons.
She took bits and pieces and strong feelings and made something out of it.
She crafted songs and then wanted to play them for the world because she was proud of them.
She is proud of herself.
And she deserves to be.
And I don’t know how you think this album “landed” other than with millions of sales and her dominating the charts.
Also with plenty of critical acclaim.

+1
The first time I heard her latest album, I actually hated it. So many words! I told my daughter she needed an editor. But then I listened to it again, several times, over and over - and now I love it. There are only a few songs I don't like - the rest are fantastic. I think she outdid herself. And the weirdos who take every word literally are beyond silly.

I didn’t like the album at first but now I love it too. That said, there is no denying that Taylor is not that deep and the vast majority of her songs are about love and men, and in particular one man. That much became apparent in TTPD. “All those nights you kept me going, swirled you into all of my poems.”

She has said in the past that books, movies, and fiction inspired some of her songs and albums, but I think that was a ruse so she can freely express feelings and longings while in a relationship with another and also so she can appear more complex than a smitten woman.

I don't know - some of my favorite songs are the ones about other people, whether real or fictional. The Bolter, The Last Great American Dynasty, Clara Bow, Peter. She takes the experiences of other women and beautifully parallels them to her own. I think she's an incredible writer and actually do think she's got a lot of depth.

+1 good picks. Love Peter and The Bolter

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Swift could record an hour of her taking violent bowel movements and people would force themselves to listen to it until they loved it. It would sell in the millions. She has succeeded in turning grown women into fan babies.

Yep. This album didn't have any singles that generated broad commercial success. Now her fans pivot to saying she doesn't want successful singles? Yeah, right. No pop hits means this album was her least successful ever in generating broad commercial appeal. That's terrifying at her age because it's so rare for a pop star in their mid 30s to ever have another #1 pop single.

She may still release more of the songs as singles. I Can Do it With a Broken Heart would probably do well. The first singles released for a lot of her albums didn't do as well as later releases. Look at Blank Space or Cruel Summer. They were not the first singles released for either album but did amazing when they were released. Cruel Summer didn't become popular until like 4 years after it was originally released.

Sure, release more singles and they will flop too, further cementing the point this album was a dud outside of milking her same cray cray fans.

https://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/taylor-swift-is-named-no-1-on-billboards-2024-power-100-list/
https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/taylor-swift-tops-billboard-s-annual-power-100-list-for-the-first-time/ar-BB1hyq9V

[Anonymous]

She came back stronger than a 90s trend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She came back stronger than a 90s trend.

Did she ever!

[Anonymous]

I’m in my late-ish forties and am late to TS fandom, but here is why I like her:
She isn’t trying to shift her perspective and art to be masculine in any way.
She doesn’t care if guys get it.
And by being her authentic self, plenty of men do get it! I think Travis may be one of those guys ( trying to steer back to topic 😀)
I came of age in the 90’s and this is really powerful for me, because some much of the art, music, humor, and aesthetic of the 90’s was male centered. Their thoughts wants and perspectives were the default.
I love her for this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m in my late-ish forties and am late to TS fandom, but here is why I like her:
She isn’t trying to shift her perspective and art to be masculine in any way.
She doesn’t care if guys get it.
And by being her authentic self, plenty of men do get it! I think Travis may be one of those guys ( trying to steer back to topic 😀)
I came of age in the 90’s and this is really powerful for me, because some much of the art, music, humor, and aesthetic of the 90’s was male centered. Their thoughts wants and perspectives were the default.
I love her for this.

Huh. I thought of the 90s as turning toward a new wave of female representation. In the strong vocals, aesthetics, characters in TV and movies. And also in political representation. Maybe I saw it more as a surge toward rather than an arrival, you know? Or else you and I grew up in different media bubbles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m in my late-ish forties and am late to TS fandom, but here is why I like her:
She isn’t trying to shift her perspective and art to be masculine in any way.
She doesn’t care if guys get it.
And by being her authentic self, plenty of men do get it! I think Travis may be one of those guys ( trying to steer back to topic 😀)
I came of age in the 90’s and this is really powerful for me, because some much of the art, music, humor, and aesthetic of the 90’s was male centered. Their thoughts wants and perspectives were the default.
I love her for this.

Late forty’s here too. I dislike her because even though she pretends to be authentic, most songs she sings use put down tactics to make her point. She IS a powerful person, but she doesn’t acknowledge that in her songs without slighting others. I find it a weak version of feminine power because she isn’t’ owning it herself, she is putting others down to show her power.

This is gwen Stefani saying, this sucks to be a woman and I’m going to call you on it. I see it, and I don’t like it.


Take this pink ribbon off my eyes
I'm exposed and it's no big surprise
Don't you think I know exactly where I stand?
This world is forcing me to hold your hand

Oh, I'm just a girl, my apologies
What I've become is so burdensome
Oh, I'm just a girl, lucky me
Twiddle-dum, there's no comparison

The politics of gender are at play and being lambasted. It isn’t directed at individuals, but society in general.


This, like most Taylor songs, is Taylor talking her own power. She starts off well, but then throws in slighting other people in the process

Never be so polite, you forget your power
Never wield such power, you forget to be polite
And if I didn’t know better
I’d think you were listening to me now
If I didn’t know better
I’d think you were still around

Even this classic that gets thrown around is Taylor putting people down “you need to calm down”. She thinks she can have and express all of her big emotions, but if someone does that to her, telling them to calm down and minimize their feelings is super important.

And we see you over there on the internet
Comparing all the girls who are killing it
But we figured you out
We all know now, we all got crowns
You need to calm down

I don’t respect these lyrics because I don’t thinks slighting people is a good thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m in my late-ish forties and am late to TS fandom, but here is why I like her:
She isn’t trying to shift her perspective and art to be masculine in any way.
She doesn’t care if guys get it.
And by being her authentic self, plenty of men do get it! I think Travis may be one of those guys ( trying to steer back to topic 😀)
I came of age in the 90’s and this is really powerful for me, because some much of the art, music, humor, and aesthetic of the 90’s was male centered. Their thoughts wants and perspectives were the default.
I love her for this.

Late forty’s here too. I dislike her because even though she pretends to be authentic, most songs she sings use put down tactics to make her point. She IS a powerful person, but she doesn’t acknowledge that in her songs without slighting others. I find it a weak version of feminine power because she isn’t’ owning it herself, she is putting others down to show her power.

This is gwen Stefani saying, this sucks to be a woman and I’m going to call you on it. I see it, and I don’t like it.


Take this pink ribbon off my eyes
I'm exposed and it's no big surprise
Don't you think I know exactly where I stand?
This world is forcing me to hold your hand

Oh, I'm just a girl, my apologies
What I've become is so burdensome
Oh, I'm just a girl, lucky me
Twiddle-dum, there's no comparison

The politics of gender are at play and being lambasted. It isn’t directed at individuals, but society in general.


This, like most Taylor songs, is Taylor talking her own power. She starts off well, but then throws in slighting other people in the process

Never be so polite, you forget your power
Never wield such power, you forget to be polite
And if I didn’t know better
I’d think you were listening to me now
If I didn’t know better
I’d think you were still around

Even this classic that gets thrown around is Taylor putting people down “you need to calm down”. She thinks she can have and express all of her big emotions, but if someone does that to her, telling them to calm down and minimize their feelings is super important.

And we see you over there on the internet
Comparing all the girls who are killing it
But we figured you out
We all know now, we all got crowns
You need to calm down

I don’t respect these lyrics because I don’t thinks slighting people is a good thing.

Isn't this the song where she's honoring her late-grandmother? I'm confused as to why it offends you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m in my late-ish forties and am late to TS fandom, but here is why I like her:
She isn’t trying to shift her perspective and art to be masculine in any way.
She doesn’t care if guys get it.
And by being her authentic self, plenty of men do get it! I think Travis may be one of those guys ( trying to steer back to topic 😀)
I came of age in the 90’s and this is really powerful for me, because some much of the art, music, humor, and aesthetic of the 90’s was male centered. Their thoughts wants and perspectives were the default.
I love her for this.

Late forty’s here too. I dislike her because even though she pretends to be authentic, most songs she sings use put down tactics to make her point. She IS a powerful person, but she doesn’t acknowledge that in her songs without slighting others. I find it a weak version of feminine power because she isn’t’ owning it herself, she is putting others down to show her power.

This is gwen Stefani saying, this sucks to be a woman and I’m going to call you on it. I see it, and I don’t like it.


Take this pink ribbon off my eyes
I'm exposed and it's no big surprise
Don't you think I know exactly where I stand?
This world is forcing me to hold your hand

Oh, I'm just a girl, my apologies
What I've become is so burdensome
Oh, I'm just a girl, lucky me
Twiddle-dum, there's no comparison

The politics of gender are at play and being lambasted. It isn’t directed at individuals, but society in general.


This, like most Taylor songs, is Taylor talking her own power. She starts off well, but then throws in slighting other people in the process

Never be so polite, you forget your power
Never wield such power, you forget to be polite
And if I didn’t know better
I’d think you were listening to me now
If I didn’t know better
I’d think you were still around

Even this classic that gets thrown around is Taylor putting people down “you need to calm down”. She thinks she can have and express all of her big emotions, but if someone does that to her, telling them to calm down and minimize their feelings is super important.

And we see you over there on the internet
Comparing all the girls who are killing it
But we figured you out
We all know now, we all got crowns
You need to calm down

I don’t respect these lyrics because I don’t thinks slighting people is a good thing.

Isn't this the song where she's honoring her late-grandmother? I'm confused as to why it offends you?

The song in question (Marjorie) is absolutely beautiful and poignant.
It absolutely is honoring her grandmother and in no way slights anyone, except maybe herself for being like many of us who realize after loved ones are gone and it’s too late that there are things we wish we’d asked them or said to them.

PP’s take is bizarre.