FCPS comprehensive boundary review

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Anonymous wrote:I understand the community fears, but maybe trust that one community can be just as kind and welcoming as another. Otherwise, the message becomes, "We only want to be a part of this community. We don't want anything to do with those people." And that is not a good message to send -- not to the children or to the people who live in a different community.


Yes, of course. "Honey, we've enjoyed having you for a while, but now we are going to give you to another family. I'm sure you will like them."


Since 2008 kids have been redistricted out of Oakton, Madison, Westfield, Chantilly, Annandale, Lewis, Fairfax, and McLean to other high schools. And of course there were big boundary changes when South County opened in 2005.

If kids get redistricted out of Langley, they’ll do fine. Stop being such babies and model better behavior for your kids. You are no more “tight knit” than any other part of the county, except to the extent that you find common ground in fearing and disrespecting others.


The behaviors that I care to model is to stand up for what you believe in and don’t let others force their extreme ideology on you. I actually am a big believer in compassion, but you can’t bring compassion about by forcing somebody to do something against their will.

Another principle that I am instilling in my kids is to never let people consider you to just be an object to achieve their goals or desires. I understand that complicates your equity agenda, but sorry, not going let my kids be offered up on your altar.


There really isn’t anything extreme in what’s likely to emerge from this boundary review. Sending kids to schools closer to their homes where feasible is just common sense.

If they kowtow to the obvious segregationists in the county, they will fail to have acted in the best interests of all the kids.


Again, you turn a lot of people off from your political party when you pretend that there is some racist civil war-type activity happening here.

Did you happen to look at the Langley dashboard? It’s not quite as sterling white segregationist as you pretend it is.

Get yourself a more compelling argument.


Langley has a lot of wealthy Asian and Middle Eastern families (and a very small number of wealthy Black families) who are just as prejudiced towards kids from less affluent families, especially Hispanic kids, as their wealthy white neighbors.

The fact that they regularly make the same types of arguments as white segregationists made in the past doesn’t make them white (although notions of “whiteness” have certainly evolved over time) but it also doesn’t mean they aren’t segregationists.
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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have a copy of the leaked map showing WMES changing to Fairfax HS?



+1


Would like to see the maps as well.


They’re not real. Just some dcum poster making stuff up. Nothing has been proposed yet. You need to wait for facts and not believe the crazy stories on an anonymous website.
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Anonymous wrote:Moving HVES to Lewis would be farther from their homes. Also, HVES is only about 52.6% white; it is hardly a segregated school. The issue is between high- and low-performers, not race.


FCPS doesn't have segregated schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I would argue that many many Forestville families are much more integrated with the Herndon community. They are going west on route 7 to grocery shop and kids activities. It’s so much closer to their homes than the areas that McLean families go.


Just because you argue it, doesn’t make it true.

I typically don’t share a close bond with other grocery shoppers. In fact, other than saying excuse me, I can’t remember the last time I spoke to another customer in a grocery store. Again, feels like you all are grasping at straws to justify the upcoming major upheaval.

Fwiw, I don’t know a single person who lives in that pyramid- not one. So weird to not know a single soul in my supposed community.

Also, you know what will not bring these communities together? One community being dragged to the other unwillingly while the other continues to call us elite racists. Just saying.


DP but you *never* have a brief chat with other grocery store customers?

That makes you odd in general .
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Since 2008 kids have been redistricted out of Oakton, Madison, Westfield, Chantilly, Annandale, Lewis, Fairfax, and McLean to other high schools. And of course there were big boundary changes when South County opened in 2005.

If kids get redistricted out of Langley, they’ll do fine. Stop being such babies and model better behavior for your kids. You are no more “tight knit” than any other part of the county, except to the extent that you find common ground in fearing and disrespecting others


Sure they get over it? In 2015 a parent was alleged to have attacked Kathy Smith (former SB member) who was running for Supervisor. 7 years after the SL boundary study. And, to those screaming "racist," please note that this community was sent to a more affluent high school.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/hard-feelings-over-school-boundaries-prompts-alleged-assault-in-virginia/2015/07/11/a52863be-2801-11e5-b77f-eb13a215f593_story.html

I spoke with a friend from Floris neighborhood the other day--sent from Westfield to South Lakes with 2008 study. They begged for AP instead of IB, but were met with deaf ears from Stu Gibson. (then the Hunter Mill SB member). I cannot speak for Floris, but this family still has trouble with the decision. I suspect that many do, as well.

Neighborhoods competed with other neighborhoods to stay put. It caused hard feelings among many. This is not good for Fairfax County.

And, I still cannot get over the hypocrisy of the member of the committee who is one of the SB's favorite defenders who constantly screams for "equity." She wants her neighborhood to stay at Woodson when she lives just as close to two other high schools (who happen to have MUCH higher FARMS and URM.
Neighborhoods change, but we cannot move our kids like pawns on a chessboard just because.

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Anonymous wrote:I would argue that many many Forestville families are much more integrated with the Herndon community. They are going west on route 7 to grocery shop and kids activities. It’s so much closer to their homes than the areas that McLean families go.


Just because you argue it, doesn’t make it true.

I typically don’t share a close bond with other grocery shoppers. In fact, other than saying excuse me, I can’t remember the last time I spoke to another customer in a grocery store. Again, feels like you all are grasping at straws to justify the upcoming major upheaval.

Fwiw, I don’t know a single person who lives in that pyramid- not one. So weird to not know a single soul in my supposed community.

Also, you know what will not bring these communities together? One community being dragged to the other unwillingly while the other continues to call us elite racists. Just saying.


This. I live in western great falls. I literally NEVER shop or do anything in Herndon. All our sports are in great falls. Church McLean. We don’t know a single person in the Herndon pyramid. In fact i had no clue where HMS even was. Just googled mapped it and it’s 17 to HMS and 19 to copper. How is 2 minutes different worth uprooting kids just to cover up test scores. We all know it has nothing to do with proximity. If Herndon was as high performing as Langley the county/school board/everyone on this thread wouldn’t be trying to move GF into it.

And i agree with another previous poster. Yes there were previous boundary changes but with lengthy grandfathering. With this one you could have kids 2 years apart in different schools getting a wildly different education
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And i agree with another previous poster. Yes there were previous boundary changes but with lengthy grandfathering. With this one you could have kids 2 years apart in different schools getting a wildly different education


I knew a family in one of the Floris neighborhoods with three kids. Not very close together--but not extreme ages. Their kids went to three different high schools: Oakton, Westfield, and South Lakes.

They were not happy. I think one was at Oakton and one at Westfield at the same time. She talked about the expense and scheduling issues.

It is clear that the School Board has only one issue in mind and it is not the students and their families.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would argue that many many Forestville families are much more integrated with the Herndon community. They are going west on route 7 to grocery shop and kids activities. It’s so much closer to their homes than the areas that McLean families go.


Just because you argue it, doesn’t make it true.

I typically don’t share a close bond with other grocery shoppers. In fact, other than saying excuse me, I can’t remember the last time I spoke to another customer in a grocery store. Again, feels like you all are grasping at straws to justify the upcoming major upheaval.

Fwiw, I don’t know a single person who lives in that pyramid- not one. So weird to not know a single soul in my supposed community.

Also, you know what will not bring these communities together? One community being dragged to the other unwillingly while the other continues to call us elite racists. Just saying.


DP but you *never* have a brief chat with other grocery store customers?

That makes you odd in general .


I’m pleasant to the cashiers, but I’ve got a strong enough social network in the non-errands areas of my life that it’s not really something that I consider one way or another.

Not sure that I’m as much of an outlier as you think I am, but if I am, I guess I’ll muddle through somehow without that witty grocery banter. Or maybe I’ll become a grocery store conversationalist in my twilight years.
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Anonymous wrote:I would argue that many many Forestville families are much more integrated with the Herndon community. They are going west on route 7 to grocery shop and kids activities. It’s so much closer to their homes than the areas that McLean families go.


Just because you argue it, doesn’t make it true.

I typically don’t share a close bond with other grocery shoppers. In fact, other than saying excuse me, I can’t remember the last time I spoke to another customer in a grocery store. Again, feels like you all are grasping at straws to justify the upcoming major upheaval.

Fwiw, I don’t know a single person who lives in that pyramid- not one. So weird to not know a single soul in my supposed community.

Also, you know what will not bring these communities together? One community being dragged to the other unwillingly while the other continues to call us elite racists. Just saying.


This. I live in western great falls. I literally NEVER shop or do anything in Herndon. All our sports are in great falls. Church McLean. We don’t know a single person in the Herndon pyramid. In fact i had no clue where HMS even was. Just googled mapped it and it’s 17 to HMS and 19 to copper. How is 2 minutes different worth uprooting kids just to cover up test scores. We all know it has nothing to do with proximity. If Herndon was as high performing as Langley the county/school board/everyone on this thread wouldn’t be trying to move GF into it.

And i agree with another previous poster. Yes there were previous boundary changes but with lengthy grandfathering. With this one you could have kids 2 years apart in different schools getting a wildly different education


You do realize the reason why Langley perfoms much better than Herndon, on average, is because of demographics. Your high performing student will find their high performing peer group at any school, and will take the higher lever classes. Instead of having 100 sections of Multivariable Calculus, they might have one, but it is still offered. Herndon may not send many kids to Ivies, but if your kid has Ivy stats, then they would have a better chance of getting an offer if they graduate from Herndon.

We are zoned for Herndon, and among our friend group we know UMC kids that have gone onto: GT, UGA, Florida, UVA, VT, Princeton, Georgtown, CMU. Some in Langley might say these schools are not cream of the crop, but I wouldn’t say they are terrible outcomes either. Add to this, there are far fewer Ivy+ grads in the Herndon district, so there is no leg up with legacy admissions either.

Oh, and from what I hear, these Herndon grads are doing well at their respective universities. Graduating from the “lower performing” high school was not detrimental to their college success.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would argue that many many Forestville families are much more integrated with the Herndon community. They are going west on route 7 to grocery shop and kids activities. It’s so much closer to their homes than the areas that McLean families go.


Just because you argue it, doesn’t make it true.

I typically don’t share a close bond with other grocery shoppers. In fact, other than saying excuse me, I can’t remember the last time I spoke to another customer in a grocery store. Again, feels like you all are grasping at straws to justify the upcoming major upheaval.

Fwiw, I don’t know a single person who lives in that pyramid- not one. So weird to not know a single soul in my supposed community.

Also, you know what will not bring these communities together? One community being dragged to the other unwillingly while the other continues to call us elite racists. Just saying.


This. I live in western great falls. I literally NEVER shop or do anything in Herndon. All our sports are in great falls. Church McLean. We don’t know a single person in the Herndon pyramid. In fact i had no clue where HMS even was. Just googled mapped it and it’s 17 to HMS and 19 to copper. How is 2 minutes different worth uprooting kids just to cover up test scores. We all know it has nothing to do with proximity. If Herndon was as high performing as Langley the county/school board/everyone on this thread wouldn’t be trying to move GF into it.

And i agree with another previous poster. Yes there were previous boundary changes but with lengthy grandfathering. With this one you could have kids 2 years apart in different schools getting a wildly different education


Relax! So you don’t anybody from the Herndon pyramid, therefore you have not heard any first hand experiences from Herndon families. If this is how you feel, please send your kids to private school if you get zoned for Herndon. You have too many pre-conceived ideas about Herndon, and most likely your kids do as well.
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Anonymous wrote:I understand the community fears, but maybe trust that one community can be just as kind and welcoming as another. Otherwise, the message becomes, "We only want to be a part of this community. We don't want anything to do with those people." And that is not a good message to send -- not to the children or to the people who live in a different community.


Not a valid argument.
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Anonymous wrote:Any metrics to determine yourself safe from redistricting? Less than a mile from your school?


Walk zone kids.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would argue that many many Forestville families are much more integrated with the Herndon community. They are going west on route 7 to grocery shop and kids activities. It’s so much closer to their homes than the areas that McLean families go.


Just because you argue it, doesn’t make it true.

I typically don’t share a close bond with other grocery shoppers. In fact, other than saying excuse me, I can’t remember the last time I spoke to another customer in a grocery store. Again, feels like you all are grasping at straws to justify the upcoming major upheaval.

Fwiw, I don’t know a single person who lives in that pyramid- not one. So weird to not know a single soul in my supposed community.

Also, you know what will not bring these communities together? One community being dragged to the other unwillingly while the other continues to call us elite racists. Just saying.


This. I live in western great falls. I literally NEVER shop or do anything in Herndon. All our sports are in great falls. Church McLean. We don’t know a single person in the Herndon pyramid. In fact i had no clue where HMS even was. Just googled mapped it and it’s 17 to HMS and 19 to copper. How is 2 minutes different worth uprooting kids just to cover up test scores. We all know it has nothing to do with proximity. If Herndon was as high performing as Langley the county/school board/everyone on this thread wouldn’t be trying to move GF into it.

And i agree with another previous poster. Yes there were previous boundary changes but with lengthy grandfathering. With this one you could have kids 2 years apart in different schools getting a wildly different education


You do realize the reason why Langley perfoms much better than Herndon, on average, is because of demographics. Your high performing student will find their high performing peer group at any school, and will take the higher lever classes. Instead of having 100 sections of Multivariable Calculus, they might have one, but it is still offered. Herndon may not send many kids to Ivies, but if your kid has Ivy stats, then they would have a better chance of getting an offer if they graduate from Herndon.

We are zoned for Herndon, and among our friend group we know UMC kids that have gone onto: GT, UGA, Florida, UVA, VT, Princeton, Georgtown, CMU. Some in Langley might say these schools are not cream of the crop, but I wouldn’t say they are terrible outcomes either. Add to this, there are far fewer Ivy+ grads in the Herndon district, so there is no leg up with legacy admissions either.

Oh, and from what I hear, these Herndon grads are doing well at their respective universities. Graduating from the “lower performing” high school was not detrimental to their college success.


Great. So happy to hear you like your school pyramid. Now imagine they took your kids away from that great situation so that they could make a number in one school closer to a number at another. Pretty ridiculous, right?

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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would argue that many many Forestville families are much more integrated with the Herndon community. They are going west on route 7 to grocery shop and kids activities. It’s so much closer to their homes than the areas that McLean families go.


Just because you argue it, doesn’t make it true.

I typically don’t share a close bond with other grocery shoppers. In fact, other than saying excuse me, I can’t remember the last time I spoke to another customer in a grocery store. Again, feels like you all are grasping at straws to justify the upcoming major upheaval.

Fwiw, I don’t know a single person who lives in that pyramid- not one. So weird to not know a single soul in my supposed community.

Also, you know what will not bring these communities together? One community being dragged to the other unwillingly while the other continues to call us elite racists. Just saying.


This. I live in western great falls. I literally NEVER shop or do anything in Herndon. All our sports are in great falls. Church McLean. We don’t know a single person in the Herndon pyramid. In fact i had no clue where HMS even was. Just googled mapped it and it’s 17 to HMS and 19 to copper. How is 2 minutes different worth uprooting kids just to cover up test scores. We all know it has nothing to do with proximity. If Herndon was as high performing as Langley the county/school board/everyone on this thread wouldn’t be trying to move GF into it.

And i agree with another previous poster. Yes there were previous boundary changes but with lengthy grandfathering. With this one you could have kids 2 years apart in different schools getting a wildly different education


Relax! So you don’t anybody from the Herndon pyramid, therefore you have not heard any first hand experiences from Herndon families. If this is how you feel, please send your kids to private school if you get zoned for Herndon. You have too many pre-conceived ideas about Herndon, and most likely your kids do as well.


Why do you feel entitled to that poster’s tax revenue and expect her to send her kids to private school?

If anyone has “too many preconceived ideas” about a school pyramid, let’s talk about the poster calling the Langley school segregationist and racist…
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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I understand the community fears, but maybe trust that one community can be just as kind and welcoming as another. Otherwise, the message becomes, "We only want to be a part of this community. We don't want anything to do with those people." And that is not a good message to send -- not to the children or to the people who live in a different community.


Yes, of course. "Honey, we've enjoyed having you for a while, but now we are going to give you to another family. I'm sure you will like them."


Since 2008 kids have been redistricted out of Oakton, Madison, Westfield, Chantilly, Annandale, Lewis, Fairfax, and McLean to other high schools. And of course there were big boundary changes when South County opened in 2005.

If kids get redistricted out of Langley, they’ll do fine. Stop being such babies and model better behavior for your kids. You are no more “tight knit” than any other part of the county, except to the extent that you find common ground in fearing and disrespecting others.


The behaviors that I care to model is to stand up for what you believe in and don’t let others force their extreme ideology on you. I actually am a big believer in compassion, but you can’t bring compassion about by forcing somebody to do something against their will.

Another principle that I am instilling in my kids is to never let people consider you to just be an object to achieve their goals or desires. I understand that complicates your equity agenda, but sorry, not going let my kids be offered up on your altar.


There really isn’t anything extreme in what’s likely to emerge from this boundary review. Sending kids to schools closer to their homes where feasible is just common sense.

If they kowtow to the obvious segregationists in the county, they will fail to have acted in the best interests of all the kids.


Except they are not doing this. Especially in cases like WSHS to Lewis.

Hunt Valley: closest to WSHS, followed by LB and SoCo. Lewis is a distant 4th, almost the same distance as HV to Robinson and not much closer than WS to Hayfield.

Keene Mill: closest to WSHS, then Lewis, which is only slightly closer than Lake Braddock. The Keene Mill attendance island all the way at the edge of the pyramid down past Orange Hunt and Hunt Valley is closest to LB and should be zoned for White Oaks and LB, NOT Keene Mill, Irving and WSHS. FCPS should fix that island instead of rezoning other neighborhoods.

West Springfield Elementary: closest to WSHS (walk zone for some neighborhoods) except for the Daventry neighborhood. The bulk of WS elementary is closest to WSHS and LBSS. Only the Daventry neighborhood is closer to Lewis than LBSS.

Orange Hunt: closest to WSHS, followed by SoCo and LBSS, then Robinson. Lewis is the 5th closest school to OH.

Cardinal Forest: across the street from WSHS, followed by LB, Robinson and possibly SoCo or Lewis. It is probably a coin toss between closeness to Lewis or SoCo, depending on traffic.

Rolling Valley: (split feeder with a couple of streets going to Lewis) closest to WSHS (walk zone for some neighborhoods), then SoCo and LB. Lewis is 4th. The entire Rolling Valley neighborhood zone should attend WSHS, not Lewis.

Sangster Island: closest to WSHS, followed by LBSS, SoCo and Robinson. Lewis is a distant 5th.

None, zero, zip, nada of the WSHS zoned neighborhoods are closer to Lewis than WSHS. Lewis isn't even 2nd closest, except for Daventry and the Keene Mill zoned neighbohoods off Tiverton, Harwood Place and Glenister, which are equally close to Lewis than WSHS by maybe a street or two in either direction.

Rezoning any WSHS neighborhood to Lewis does not shorten a single commute, and does not bring a single student closer to their high school, or their 2nd or 3rd closest high schools, and certainly not for the school being pushed by Saratoga mom, Hunt Valley.
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