Handmaid’s Tale season 4

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Anonymous wrote:This was awful, I’m done with the series.

Reading all these comments I thought I was the only one who thought this ending was horrific.

The lesson I took from this is if someone oppresses you then you have every right to murder. Have we really gotten to this point in our society? June's actions should not be celebrated. I don't think it is far-fetched for her character to do this based on the path we have seen this season, but her actions shouldn't be lumped into a "girl-power-isn't-this-awesome" kind of thing that is being spelled out in all the reviews/interviews.

In all honestly, it would have felt more poetic for the women to not kill him...yet still send the finger to Serena...and let Fred go back to Gilead. He was not going to have a great reunion and likely would have ended up the wall as his fellow commanders no longer welcomed him. Why not let him see his whole life spiral out of control first.

Did you not watch the last scene? That’s the point. She decided to be a murderer but now…she’s a murderer. And you can argue that there’s a place for that in war and revolution but by doing so, she has forfeited her chance to live as a refugee in her reconstructed family. She knows, Luke knows, that’s the point of the last scene.

+1 The lesson is that violence and rage begets violence and rage. Look at the history of conflict in any part of the world. You don't oppress without creating a cycle of oppression. The desire for revenge is too powerful. Joseph is right, too, that it won't ultimately satisfy June. The triumph will be temporary, and she will still be unhealed. The tragedy of Gilead includes its legacy in the lives of those who've escaped.

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She already murdered a doctor in a previous season. She's already a murderer.

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I truly hated the season finale. Barbaric and patently ridiculous in terms of believability. Nothing clever about the ending at all. I’m disappointed.

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What a fricking disappointment!! A gang killing? Come on - that’s not only completely unbelievable, it’s also dramatically unsatisfying.

I’m actually pissed.

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Anonymous wrote:I truly hated the season finale. Barbaric and patently ridiculous in terms of believability. Nothing clever about the ending at all. I’m disappointed.

I agree, it was disappointing. I get June needing to exorcise demons but she chose savage revenge over her family. She could have had both. Would have gotten revenge simply sending him back--he would have ended up on the wall for his betrayal.

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And on top of everything else, we didn’t get to see Serena’s reaction to Fred’s severed finger! It’s so unsatisfying.

Stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:I truly hated the season finale. Barbaric and patently ridiculous in terms of believability. Nothing clever about the ending at all. I’m disappointed.

I agree, it was disappointing. I get June needing to exorcise demons but she chose savage revenge over her family. She could have had both. Would have gotten revenge simply sending him back--he would have ended up on the wall for his betrayal.

Lol no he wouldn’t have! Look around you, men get a pass always always no matter what horrid shit they do. He would have weaseled his way out the men in power would have been fine with it and he’s grow nice and old with some side pieces away from the government.

He deserved it and he was owed that death for all that he did. There’s a saying in training day the movie…you wanna get shii done, you gotta do it yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:I truly hated the season finale. Barbaric and patently ridiculous in terms of believability. Nothing clever about the ending at all. I’m disappointed.

I agree, it was disappointing. I get June needing to exorcise demons but she chose savage revenge over her family. She could have had both. Would have gotten revenge simply sending him back--he would have ended up on the wall for his betrayal.

Lol no he wouldn’t have! Look around you, men get a pass always always no matter what horrid shit they do. He would have weaseled his way out the men in power would have been fine with it and he’s grow nice and old with some side pieces away from the government.

He deserved it and he was owed that death for all that he did. There’s a saying in training day the movie…you wanna get shii done, you gotta do it yourself.

He deserved far worse than that. That’s why it was so unsatisfying to me and so “un-clever”. A gang beating in the woods? Come on. Stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:And on top of everything else, we didn’t get to see Serena’s reaction to Fred’s severed finger! It’s so unsatisfying.

Stupid.

I don’t know. Serena is in her last few minutes of being blissfully unaware of what has transpired, and thinks that she is still in a position to force Tuello (sp?) to call Fred “Commander” and make people do her bidding. Knowing what she is about to find out is pretty satisfying to me.

On the other hand, I found the scene in the woods to be really unrealistic. Fred had ample opportunity to overpower June and get the gun, and ample time to continue running. June wanted a scenario where he was in maximum fear for his life, but that means running and overpowering a woman with a gun when you have the chance.

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Anonymous wrote:Been waiting for this moment for so long. That was so damn satisfying! Live in fear, Serena, because you’re next.

Definitely also sealed the deal with Luke and June. He finally got that she is just a different person now. There’s no moving on from Gilead for her.

I definitely think Serena ends up back in Gilead now. I dismissed the idea of her going back and being made a handmaid, but they are making it more and more plausible. She is in a baaaadddd place.

I will keep watching and I’d like to see this. But I have to say that the show is in Walking Dead territory. It’s time to wrap it up.

Agree. I was the one that posted that I was afraid I was going to be disappointed. I was not, but when I posted that I was thinking back to when I lost interest in The Walking Dead.

For some reason I thought Season 5 was going to be the last season, but I haven't seen that anywhere. I think it needs to be. I don't want this to drag on and go into Testaments territory. The Testaments was kind of mediocre IMO.

I think next season will be the last and June dies at the end somehow. Then there will be a spinoff of The Testaments.

I read that Season 5 is the last season and that Hulu has bought the rights to The Testaments.

It’s weird to me that they would try to get a spin-off’s worth of material from The Testaments. The book really just felt like an epilogue that answered some lingering questions nicely, and they’ve already covered some of the territory in the current series. I assumed that they would just make season 5 the Testaments season. I think that’s what they should do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was awful, I’m done with the series.

Reading all these comments I thought I was the only one who thought this ending was horrific.

The lesson I took from this is if someone oppresses you then you have every right to murder. Have we really gotten to this point in our society? June's actions should not be celebrated. I don't think it is far-fetched for her character to do this based on the path we have seen this season, but her actions shouldn't be lumped into a "girl-power-isn't-this-awesome" kind of thing that is being spelled out in all the reviews/interviews.

In all honestly, it would have felt more poetic for the women to not kill him...yet still send the finger to Serena...and let Fred go back to Gilead. He was not going to have a great reunion and likely would have ended up the wall as his fellow commanders no longer welcomed him. Why not let him see his whole life spiral out of control first.

Did you not watch the last scene? That’s the point. She decided to be a murderer but now…she’s a murderer. And you can argue that there’s a place for that in war and revolution but by doing so, she has forfeited her chance to live as a refugee in her reconstructed family. She knows, Luke knows, that’s the point of the last scene.

+1 The lesson is that violence and rage begets violence and rage. Look at the history of conflict in any part of the world. You don't oppress without creating a cycle of oppression. The desire for revenge is too powerful. Joseph is right, too, that it won't ultimately satisfy June. The triumph will be temporary, and she will still be unhealed. The tragedy of Gilead includes its legacy in the lives of those who've escaped.

While I don't disagree, I feel that the producers are doing a disservice by going around in interviews saying that June choose "justice" for what she did to Fred. It would be much more interesting if instead the show made more of a point to showcase how Gilead destroyed June's conscience and created a rage in her that cannot currently be fulfilled. Instead, they filmed it in a way that seemed to glorify her violence and even excused it as necessary because again it was just "justice." That is what I take issue with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was awful, I’m done with the series.

Reading all these comments I thought I was the only one who thought this ending was horrific.

The lesson I took from this is if someone oppresses you then you have every right to murder. Have we really gotten to this point in our society? June's actions should not be celebrated. I don't think it is far-fetched for her character to do this based on the path we have seen this season, but her actions shouldn't be lumped into a "girl-power-isn't-this-awesome" kind of thing that is being spelled out in all the reviews/interviews.

In all honestly, it would have felt more poetic for the women to not kill him...yet still send the finger to Serena...and let Fred go back to Gilead. He was not going to have a great reunion and likely would have ended up the wall as his fellow commanders no longer welcomed him. Why not let him see his whole life spiral out of control first.

Did you not watch the last scene? That’s the point. She decided to be a murderer but now…she’s a murderer. And you can argue that there’s a place for that in war and revolution but by doing so, she has forfeited her chance to live as a refugee in her reconstructed family. She knows, Luke knows, that’s the point of the last scene.

+1 The lesson is that violence and rage begets violence and rage. Look at the history of conflict in any part of the world. You don't oppress without creating a cycle of oppression. The desire for revenge is too powerful. Joseph is right, too, that it won't ultimately satisfy June. The triumph will be temporary, and she will still be unhealed. The tragedy of Gilead includes its legacy in the lives of those who've escaped.

While I don't disagree, I feel that the producers are doing a disservice by going around in interviews saying that June choose "justice" for what she did to Fred. It would be much more interesting if instead the show made more of a point to showcase how Gilead destroyed June's conscience and created a rage in her that cannot currently be fulfilled. Instead, they filmed it in a way that seemed to glorify her violence and even excused it as necessary because again it was just "justice." That is what I take issue with.

That's exactly how I read her actions. Not as justice per se but as (understandable) white hot rage.

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Without creating a long quote, I agree with the pps. It would’ve been a better story if they followed the unrelenting rage than glorified the violence

I thought June’s ability to pull all the strings necessary to get him on the wall demonstrates her position of power on both sides of the line.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was awful, I’m done with the series.

Reading all these comments I thought I was the only one who thought this ending was horrific.

The lesson I took from this is if someone oppresses you then you have every right to murder. Have we really gotten to this point in our society? June's actions should not be celebrated. I don't think it is far-fetched for her character to do this based on the path we have seen this season, but her actions shouldn't be lumped into a "girl-power-isn't-this-awesome" kind of thing that is being spelled out in all the reviews/interviews.

In all honestly, it would have felt more poetic for the women to not kill him...yet still send the finger to Serena...and let Fred go back to Gilead. He was not going to have a great reunion and likely would have ended up the wall as his fellow commanders no longer welcomed him. Why not let him see his whole life spiral out of control first.

Did you not watch the last scene? That’s the point. She decided to be a murderer but now…she’s a murderer. And you can argue that there’s a place for that in war and revolution but by doing so, she has forfeited her chance to live as a refugee in her reconstructed family. She knows, Luke knows, that’s the point of the last scene.

+1 The lesson is that violence and rage begets violence and rage. Look at the history of conflict in any part of the world. You don't oppress without creating a cycle of oppression. The desire for revenge is too powerful. Joseph is right, too, that it won't ultimately satisfy June. The triumph will be temporary, and she will still be unhealed. The tragedy of Gilead includes its legacy in the lives of those who've escaped.

While I don't disagree, I feel that the producers are doing a disservice by going around in interviews saying that June choose "justice" for what she did to Fred. It would be much more interesting if instead the show made more of a point to showcase how Gilead destroyed June's conscience and created a rage in her that cannot currently be fulfilled. Instead, they filmed it in a way that seemed to glorify her violence and even excused it as necessary because again it was just "justice." That is what I take issue with.

That's exactly how I read her actions. Not as justice per se but as (understandable) white hot rage.

From her perspective, there was never going to be justice if it was left up to the governments. I think she gave up on that idea.

There was, however, poetic justice in morbidly restoring a finger to Serena.

[Anonymous]

I enjoyed the sound of the creaking rope and birdsong during the credits.