MC police pick up ESS 5 year old; harass & assault him

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is awful. What in the world were these cops thinking? How is the county council only finding about this because of this lawsuit?

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/courts/lawsuit-alleges-police-harassed-assaulted-5-year-old-boy/

Cops? Yeah, horrible. What about the MCPS loonies who stood by and watched this happen? Fire them. Now.

Aren't the two cops still employed?

Very difficult to fire them. If the chief recommended it, the could take it to an outside appeal board. And then the final authority rests with that outside appeal board that has a union member on it.

This is what drives me nuts about the council and Elrich. They yell and scream about police reform but they are completely unwilling to touch the union contract. You can't have the union contract as it stands today and actually get anywhere with police reform. The contract protects all the bad cops.

Councilmember Reimer sent out an email on this very topic the other day. It included these two bullets that the Council was taking up:


Reforming how discipline works to empower the Police Chief to discipline officers who violate policies — and abolishing the FOP's dysfunctional discipline policy that has been found highly problematic as highlighted in this NY Times editorial (Bill 34-20)

Bringing transparency to the collective bargaining agreement and limiting the FOP's ability to undermine critical public policy objectives adopted by the Council or MCPD Chief (Bill 34-20)

Now, I don't think that Riemer is moving quickly or aggressively enough on these issues, but he and some of his peers are actually trying to tackle the union and discipline pieces. If Elrich is the obstacle, that's interesting information.

[Anonymous]

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Emotional abuse isn't considered part of safety. However, his mom is equally if not more emotionally abusive. All these adults, especially Mom who should have shut it down vs. being the mom show, failed him.

His mother is not a police officer sworn to serve and protect.

The police officers job was to get the child and bring them back to school and wait to hand them off to the parent. They did that. How they did it was inappropriate but Mom was participating in it and clearly treated her child the same way if not worse.

No that is not the only job of a police officer. They are to ensure their behavior at the time is in the best interest of the public they serve. They failed, the FOP thinks they fail, the police chief thinks they failed, the public thinks they failed.

Again, the police are not given a “pass” to abuse a child simply because their parents do.

Sorry you coworkers are going fine but you cops need to do better..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I will never understand the extremely low expectations of police behavior from people who purport to be defending the police.

Yeah. The usual, stock answer, "You don't know what it's like being an officer, always in fear for your life," really falls flat this time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Emotional abuse isn't considered part of safety. However, his mom is equally if not more emotionally abusive. All these adults, especially Mom who should have shut it down vs. being the mom show, failed him.

His mother is not a police officer sworn to serve and protect.

The police officers job was to get the child and bring them back to school and wait to hand them off to the parent. They did that. How they did it was inappropriate but Mom was participating in it and clearly treated her child the same way if not worse.

No that is not the only job of a police officer. They are to ensure their behavior at the time is in the best interest of the public they serve. They failed, the FOP thinks they fail, the police chief thinks they failed, the public thinks they failed.

Again, the police are not given a “pass” to abuse a child simply because their parents do.

Sorry you coworkers are going fine but you cops need to do better..

Thank you! Well said.

What ever the mom’s deficiencies as a parent, it is NO excuse for the way the police and school administrators treated him. NO EXCUSE.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Having watched the video and sat with it a while, I think I blame the School staff the most. The police officers and mother are winning no prizes here, but the school staff is supposed to be skilled at dealing with children who are at a variety of levels and I see none of that here. They are basically mocking him and his mom, complaining about how tough they have it, and no one is doing anything for the child (except when they got his mom on speaker phone to help calm him—that was a good idea, although then they joined in with the officers mocking the mom for speaking soothingly to him). I have trouble believing the kid was as disruptive as described, mainly because the female showing the video and describing the conduct just seems so utterly unskilled in dealing with challenging kids that I would guess she made whatever emotioanal disregulation he has much worse.
They all nsee a Dan Shapiro/Ross green training or something.

schools are shockingly, shockingly bad at dealing with behavioral issues in ECE. despite the fact that there are very effective approaches.

I sincerely hope this mom gets access to PCIT and the child gets a private placement in a fantastic school.

That would be great but only 1/2 the resolution. Mom also needs to change her behavior.

She sure does. But the MCPS and MCPD employees are being paid to keep that child safe, and they failed horribly. Fire them.

+1 If you don't you'll send the message that this can happen again, and again, and again. A month after this happened, the cops were called for a prank played on an elementary school CES kid at PBES. Nothing happened to that principal either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Emotional abuse isn't considered part of safety. However, his mom is equally if not more emotionally abusive. All these adults, especially Mom who should have shut it down vs. being the mom show, failed him.

His mother is not a police officer sworn to serve and protect.

The police officers job was to get the child and bring them back to school and wait to hand them off to the parent. They did that. How they did it was inappropriate but Mom was participating in it and clearly treated her child the same way if not worse.

I will never understand the extremely low expectations of police behavior from people who purport to be defending the police.

No one is excusing their behavior and they should be fired for how they treated the child and unprofessional behavior but ultimately Mom was an equal participant so her crying victim is not appropriate either. She allowed much of it to happen while she was there and in no way expressed any concern on how her son was being treated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Emotional abuse isn't considered part of safety. However, his mom is equally if not more emotionally abusive. All these adults, especially Mom who should have shut it down vs. being the mom show, failed him.

His mother is not a police officer sworn to serve and protect.

The police officers job was to get the child and bring them back to school and wait to hand them off to the parent. They did that. How they did it was inappropriate but Mom was participating in it and clearly treated her child the same way if not worse.

No that is not the only job of a police officer. They are to ensure their behavior at the time is in the best interest of the public they serve. They failed, the FOP thinks they fail, the police chief thinks they failed, the public thinks they failed.

Again, the police are not given a “pass” to abuse a child simply because their parents do.

Sorry you coworkers are going fine but you cops need to do better..

Thank you! Well said.

What ever the mom’s deficiencies as a parent, it is NO excuse for the way the police and school administrators treated him. NO EXCUSE.

It looks like everyone was using culturally responsive practices. And all you rich white savior women are here looking at the situation through your lens of white privilege. Y'all are terrible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Emotional abuse isn't considered part of safety. However, his mom is equally if not more emotionally abusive. All these adults, especially Mom who should have shut it down vs. being the mom show, failed him.

His mother is not a police officer sworn to serve and protect.

The police officers job was to get the child and bring them back to school and wait to hand them off to the parent. They did that. How they did it was inappropriate but Mom was participating in it and clearly treated her child the same way if not worse.

I will never understand the extremely low expectations of police behavior from people who purport to be defending the police.

No one is excusing their behavior and they should be fired for how they treated the child and unprofessional behavior but ultimately Mom was an equal participant so her crying victim is not appropriate either. She allowed much of it to happen while she was there and in no way expressed any concern on how her son was being treated.

I feel badly for the mom, personally.

But I must say I work with a lot of cops and NONE of them is OK with what these cops did. Zero. They hate it as much as everyone else does.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Emotional abuse isn't considered part of safety. However, his mom is equally if not more emotionally abusive. All these adults, especially Mom who should have shut it down vs. being the mom show, failed him.

His mother is not a police officer sworn to serve and protect.

The police officers job was to get the child and bring them back to school and wait to hand them off to the parent. They did that. How they did it was inappropriate but Mom was participating in it and clearly treated her child the same way if not worse.

I will never understand the extremely low expectations of police behavior from people who purport to be defending the police.

No one is excusing their behavior and they should be fired for how they treated the child and unprofessional behavior but ultimately Mom was an equal participant so her crying victim is not appropriate either. She allowed much of it to happen while she was there and in no way expressed any concern on how her son was being treated.

I feel badly for the mom, personally.

But I must say I work with a lot of cops and NONE of them is OK with what these cops did. Zero. They hate it as much as everyone else does.

I don't feel bad for the mom. At any time she could have shut down the conversation and said, I've got to go. She also admitted she isn't helping the child at all behaviorally and is part of the problem and refuses to change. I feel bad for the child. Cops should be fired, a lot of concern for the school staff and mom needs help herself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Emotional abuse isn't considered part of safety. However, his mom is equally if not more emotionally abusive. All these adults, especially Mom who should have shut it down vs. being the mom show, failed him.

His mother is not a police officer sworn to serve and protect.

The police officers job was to get the child and bring them back to school and wait to hand them off to the parent. They did that. How they did it was inappropriate but Mom was participating in it and clearly treated her child the same way if not worse.

No that is not the only job of a police officer. They are to ensure their behavior at the time is in the best interest of the public they serve. They failed, the FOP thinks they fail, the police chief thinks they failed, the public thinks they failed.

Again, the police are not given a “pass” to abuse a child simply because their parents do.

Sorry you coworkers are going fine but you cops need to do better..

Thank you! Well said.

What ever the mom’s deficiencies as a parent, it is NO excuse for the way the police and school administrators treated him. NO EXCUSE.

It looks like everyone was using culturally responsive practices. And all you rich white savior women are here looking at the situation through your lens of white privilege. Y'all are terrible.

I don't care the mom spanks but I care she does it too often and its not effective nor is her other parenting. She is just as bad if not worse. She was told to get help for her kid and refuses and says he's spoiled and doesn't care its her fault.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Emotional abuse isn't considered part of safety. However, his mom is equally if not more emotionally abusive. All these adults, especially Mom who should have shut it down vs. being the mom show, failed him.

His mother is not a police officer sworn to serve and protect.

The police officers job was to get the child and bring them back to school and wait to hand them off to the parent. They did that. How they did it was inappropriate but Mom was participating in it and clearly treated her child the same way if not worse.

No that is not the only job of a police officer. They are to ensure their behavior at the time is in the best interest of the public they serve. They failed, the FOP thinks they fail, the police chief thinks they failed, the public thinks they failed.

Again, the police are not given a “pass” to abuse a child simply because their parents do.

Sorry you coworkers are going fine but you cops need to do better..

Thank you! Well said.

What ever the mom’s deficiencies as a parent, it is NO excuse for the way the police and school administrators treated him. NO EXCUSE.

It looks like everyone was using culturally responsive practices. And all you rich white savior women are here looking at the situation through your lens of white privilege. Y'all are terrible.

I don't care the mom spanks but I care she does it too often and its not effective nor is her other parenting. She is just as bad if not worse. She was told to get help for her kid and refuses and says he's spoiled and doesn't care its her fault.

Preach!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:this is dysfunction all around. The mom's excuse is "I want to BEAT him but the schools won't let me" and the cops are yelling at the mom to beat him more.

Right? This kid doesn’t have a hope. Crappy family. Crappy schools. Crappy system. Everyone wants to beat him but can’t. Just incredibly depressing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:this is dysfunction all around. The mom's excuse is "I want to BEAT him but the schools won't let me" and the cops are yelling at the mom to beat him more.

Right? This kid doesn’t have a hope. Crappy family. Crappy schools. Crappy system. Everyone wants to beat him but can’t. Just incredibly depressing.

Except, albeit slowly, the school was trying to document things to get him a placement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:this is dysfunction all around. The mom's excuse is "I want to BEAT him but the schools won't let me" and the cops are yelling at the mom to beat him more.

Right? This kid doesn’t have a hope. Crappy family. Crappy schools. Crappy system. Everyone wants to beat him but can’t. Just incredibly depressing.

Except, albeit slowly, the school was trying to document things to get him a placement.

It shouldn't be ok to video tape kids without parents permission. Who knows how that video will be used or if the phone or where it is stored is hacked. They can document it without shaming the child by holding a phone vs. trying to deescalate the situation. I know we checked the box of do not video record our child and it was done regularly. Teachers would comment (and not bad things but still not ok).

This child is set up to fail in life.

[Anonymous]

https://youtu.be/fb42BsQ2Mak?t=272