How does one prep place account for 25% of TJ Admissions?

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Anonymous wrote:From the other threads, there appears to be some disagreement over in the ethics of prepping. However, there appears to be a prep place with an incredibly high TJ placement success rate that may have crossed the line.

To see for yourself, go to the TJ Vents FB Page. Find the post from July 11th. Read the comments. The student in the Vent and the students in the comments section are talking about a prep place that charges $4,000 and gives the students the test ahead of time. One student in the comments stated that the Quant Q for the class of 2023 was identical to the Quant Q for the class of 2022. It’s clear that they are talking about the Curie Learning Center (“curie” one student states.)

I went to find out more about this place. Apparently Curie Learning Center posted on their FB page on 8/17 that they had 133 students admitted to TJ. And posted the names so unlikely they are making it up. (Also posted AOS/AET names/numbers.)

Wow. So there were 133 students admitted this year that prepped at a place that multiple current students say had a copy of at least one section of the test in prior years.

Just how does one test prep place account for over 25% of the TJHSST class of 2024 admissions? (Are they possibly that good at prep?)

There is no magic here and no one knows the test questions in advance, it is just the effort put in by the kids. I know several kids who went there and it appears like less than a quarter of the kids who go there get into TJ/AOS/AET, but as you might expect they would not publish ratio/percent of total kids who get in Almost all the kids who go there are already in FCPS AAP or LCPS GT program from well educated asian parents often with science background and lots of support for kids education. So, the bar is not very high for the kids. In addition, many of these kids start enrichment as early as 4th grade and they generally do well in their class and I heard pretty much every kid takes Algebra I in 7th grade. I think there is also a placement test for the program and only the kids who qualify are offered the full TJ prep and not every kid qualifies. If the kid doesn't have it in him/her or not willing to put in the effort, it is less likely to get into TJ and I know quite a few of the kids who went to this program and did not get in.

Whoop, there it is!

PP here.. I guess, it’s not a secret that Asian parents (especially 1st and may be 2nd generation Asians) put a lot of emphasis on kids education, as they see it as a best path to success and their parents probably did the same for them.. it’s just here, you see in all school systems everywhere.. Just, take spelling bee for example. 😀.

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Many Asians can/would not be admitted to colleges in their geographical home area (college admittance test too rigorous there), so that basically scares them into moving to the U.S. - they move to places like Iowa (has sister city to city in China, for example), and get an education here. Then, they want only the top for their kids, because no matter what, it is better than what they had in China. They "train" their kids early, so they can try for HYPS. If that means rote memorization of old tests, so be it.

you forget the part where HYPS want no part of it and then the parents scream racism when their perfectly prepped kids don't get in

And then they will resort to bribing college officials and bribing SAT officials to get their snowflakes in.

Don’t forget where they commit fraud on college applications. They should really try telling their kids to prep I mean study harder.

For many years it was a matter of public knowledge at TJ that students lied on their Student Information Sheet about their awards and accomplishments in order to get into the school.

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Anonymous wrote:From the other threads, there appears to be some disagreement over in the ethics of prepping. However, there appears to be a prep place with an incredibly high TJ placement success rate that may have crossed the line.

To see for yourself, go to the TJ Vents FB Page. Find the post from July 11th. Read the comments. The student in the Vent and the students in the comments section are talking about a prep place that charges $4,000 and gives the students the test ahead of time. One student in the comments stated that the Quant Q for the class of 2023 was identical to the Quant Q for the class of 2022. It’s clear that they are talking about the Curie Learning Center (“curie” one student states.)

I went to find out more about this place. Apparently Curie Learning Center posted on their FB page on 8/17 that they had 133 students admitted to TJ. And posted the names so unlikely they are making it up. (Also posted AOS/AET names/numbers.)

Wow. So there were 133 students admitted this year that prepped at a place that multiple current students say had a copy of at least one section of the test in prior years.

Just how does one test prep place account for over 25% of the TJHSST class of 2024 admissions? (Are they possibly that good at prep?)

There is no magic here and no one knows the test questions in advance, it is just the effort put in by the kids. I know several kids who went there and it appears like less than a quarter of the kids who go there get into TJ/AOS/AET, but as you might expect they would not publish ratio/percent of total kids who get in Almost all the kids who go there are already in FCPS AAP or LCPS GT program from well educated asian parents often with science background and lots of support for kids education. So, the bar is not very high for the kids. In addition, many of these kids start enrichment as early as 4th grade and they generally do well in their class and I heard pretty much every kid takes Algebra I in 7th grade. I think there is also a placement test for the program and only the kids who qualify are offered the full TJ prep and not every kid qualifies. If the kid doesn't have it in him/her or not willing to put in the effort, it is less likely to get into TJ and I know quite a few of the kids who went to this program and did not get in.

Whoop, there it is!

PP here.. I guess, it’s not a secret that Asian parents (especially 1st and may be 2nd generation Asians) put a lot of emphasis on kids education, as they see it as a best path to success and their parents probably did the same for them.. it’s just here, you see in all school systems everywhere.. Just, take spelling bee for example. 😀.

+1

Many Asians can/would not be admitted to colleges in their geographical home area (college admittance test too rigorous there), so that basically scares them into moving to the U.S. - they move to places like Iowa (has sister city to city in China, for example), and get an education here. Then, they want only the top for their kids, because no matter what, it is better than what they had in China. They "train" their kids early, so they can try for HYPS. If that means rote memorization of old tests, so be it.

you forget the part where HYPS want no part of it and then the parents scream racism when their perfectly prepped kids don't get in

And then they will resort to bribing college officials and bribing SAT officials to get their snowflakes in.

Don’t forget where they commit fraud on college applications. They should really try telling their kids to prep I mean study harder.

For many years it was a matter of public knowledge at TJ that students lied on their Student Information Sheet about their awards and accomplishments in order to get into the school.

Were they related to aunt Becky?

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Anonymous wrote:From the other threads, there appears to be some disagreement over in the ethics of prepping. However, there appears to be a prep place with an incredibly high TJ placement success rate that may have crossed the line.

To see for yourself, go to the TJ Vents FB Page. Find the post from July 11th. Read the comments. The student in the Vent and the students in the comments section are talking about a prep place that charges $4,000 and gives the students the test ahead of time. One student in the comments stated that the Quant Q for the class of 2023 was identical to the Quant Q for the class of 2022. It’s clear that they are talking about the Curie Learning Center (“curie” one student states.)

I went to find out more about this place. Apparently Curie Learning Center posted on their FB page on 8/17 that they had 133 students admitted to TJ. And posted the names so unlikely they are making it up. (Also posted AOS/AET names/numbers.)

Wow. So there were 133 students admitted this year that prepped at a place that multiple current students say had a copy of at least one section of the test in prior years.

Just how does one test prep place account for over 25% of the TJHSST class of 2024 admissions? (Are they possibly that good at prep?)

There is no magic here and no one knows the test questions in advance, it is just the effort put in by the kids. I know several kids who went there and it appears like less than a quarter of the kids who go there get into TJ/AOS/AET, but as you might expect they would not publish ratio/percent of total kids who get in Almost all the kids who go there are already in FCPS AAP or LCPS GT program from well educated asian parents often with science background and lots of support for kids education. So, the bar is not very high for the kids. In addition, many of these kids start enrichment as early as 4th grade and they generally do well in their class and I heard pretty much every kid takes Algebra I in 7th grade. I think there is also a placement test for the program and only the kids who qualify are offered the full TJ prep and not every kid qualifies. If the kid doesn't have it in him/her or not willing to put in the effort, it is less likely to get into TJ and I know quite a few of the kids who went to this program and did not get in.

Whoop, there it is!

PP here.. I guess, it’s not a secret that Asian parents (especially 1st and may be 2nd generation Asians) put a lot of emphasis on kids education, as they see it as a best path to success and their parents probably did the same for them.. it’s just here, you see in all school systems everywhere.. Just, take spelling bee for example. 😀.

+1

Many Asians can/would not be admitted to colleges in their geographical home area (college admittance test too rigorous there), so that basically scares them into moving to the U.S. - they move to places like Iowa (has sister city to city in China, for example), and get an education here. Then, they want only the top for their kids, because no matter what, it is better than what they had in China. They "train" their kids early, so they can try for HYPS. If that means rote memorization of old tests, so be it.

you forget the part where HYPS want no part of it and then the parents scream racism when their perfectly prepped kids don't get in

And then they will resort to bribing college officials and bribing SAT officials to get their snowflakes in.

Don’t forget where they commit fraud on college applications. They should really try telling their kids to prep I mean study harder.

For many years it was a matter of public knowledge at TJ that students lied on their Student Information Sheet about their awards and accomplishments in order to get into the school.

Were they related to aunt Becky?

More aunties than aunts, in this case. Remember white people generally don't want to get into TJ - otherwise I'm quite sure they would have done the same thing.

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Q:How does one prep place account for 25% of TJ Admissions?

Ans: The kids who are self-selecting into going to this prep place are high achievers, have a culture of valuing academics at home, have parents who are themselves educated and will subsist on PB&J sandwiches but will save for these classes. . These kids probably will get into TJ even without going through this prep course. They are driven by FOMO and not actual need. These kids already have stellar credentials.

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Anonymous wrote:Q:How does one prep place account for 25% of TJ Admissions?

Ans: The kids who are self-selecting into going to this prep place are high achievers, have a culture of valuing academics at home, have parents who are themselves educated and will subsist on PB&J sandwiches but will save for these classes. . These kids probably will get into TJ even without going through this prep course. They are driven by FOMO and not actual need. These kids already have stellar credentials.

So the parents are wasting their money, then? Spending their kids' time that could be spent elsewhere? Spending money that could be spent on something healthier than a PBJ?

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder what the list from this prep place will look like for the class of 2025?

Has Curie released their list for how their class of 2026 applicants did?

Is it still worth it to have a child work with them?

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Anonymous wrote:Why would multiple current TJ students state that they had access to the actual questions ahead of time?

Why do almost 100% of the kids that get into TJ from Curie have Indian names? This is not a normal TJ prep place.

I personally do not see any problems with prepping. However, this particular company appears extremely suspect.

Because they know it's cheating?

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Anonymous wrote:Q:How does one prep place account for 25% of TJ Admissions?

Ans: The kids who are self-selecting into going to this prep place are high achievers, have a culture of valuing academics at home, have parents who are themselves educated and will subsist on PB&J sandwiches but will save for these classes. . These kids probably will get into TJ even without going through this prep course. They are driven by FOMO and not actual need. These kids already have stellar credentials.

So the parents are wasting their money, then? Spending their kids' time that could be spent elsewhere? Spending money that could be spent on something healthier than a PBJ?

So basically a group of average kids who have been trained to present as gifted by investing thousands in prep... If they were so great, they wouldn't need to prep.

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Anonymous wrote:Q:How does one prep place account for 25% of TJ Admissions?

Ans: The kids who are self-selecting into going to this prep place are high achievers, have a culture of valuing academics at home, have parents who are themselves educated and will subsist on PB&J sandwiches but will save for these classes. . These kids probably will get into TJ even without going through this prep course. They are driven by FOMO and not actual need. These kids already have stellar credentials.

So the parents are wasting their money, then? Spending their kids' time that could be spent elsewhere? Spending money that could be spent on something healthier than a PBJ?

Ya the kids are so gifted they would've gotten in anyway... right...

[Anonymous]

This thread probably did more for Curie than any advertisement it was ever able to buy.

Curie must be thanking whoever poster keeps bringing this up. Likely what he/she expected!

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Anonymous wrote:This thread probably did more for Curie than any advertisement it was ever able to buy.

Curie must be thanking whoever poster keeps bringing this up. Likely what he/she expected!

It's also why selection will inevitably become a lottery.

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Anonymous wrote:Q:How does one prep place account for 25% of TJ Admissions?

Ans: The kids who are self-selecting into going to this prep place are high achievers, have a culture of valuing academics at home, have parents who are themselves educated and will subsist on PB&J sandwiches but will save for these classes. . These kids probably will get into TJ even without going through this prep course. They are driven by FOMO and not actual need. These kids already have stellar credentials.

Sort of... They're mostly the 2nd and 3rd tier strivers who need the extra help in order to appear slightly gifted otherwise they'd be mistaken as average.

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Is prep centers still a thing? What would they be prepping for anyway. There is no more math, english, science test. My DC (Asian) got into TJ this year with no prep, but declined admission.

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Anonymous wrote:Q:How does one prep place account for 25% of TJ Admissions?

Ans: The kids who are self-selecting into going to this prep place are high achievers, have a culture of valuing academics at home, have parents who are themselves educated and will subsist on PB&J sandwiches but will save for these classes. . These kids probably will get into TJ even without going through this prep course. They are driven by FOMO and not actual need. These kids already have stellar credentials.

So the parents are wasting their money, then? Spending their kids' time that could be spent elsewhere? Spending money that could be spent on something healthier than a PBJ?

Unfortunately, yes.

[Anonymous]

So someone is trying to get this old thread going again? such losers.