How does one prep place account for 25% of TJ Admissions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From the other threads, there appears to be some disagreement over in the ethics of prepping. However, there appears to be a prep place with an incredibly high TJ placement success rate that may have crossed the line.

To see for yourself, go to the TJ Vents FB Page. Find the post from July 11th. Read the comments. The student in the Vent and the students in the comments section are talking about a prep place that charges $4,000 and gives the students the test ahead of time. One student in the comments stated that the Quant Q for the class of 2023 was identical to the Quant Q for the class of 2022. It’s clear that they are talking about the Curie Learning Center (“curie” one student states.)

I went to find out more about this place. Apparently Curie Learning Center posted on their FB page on 8/17 that they had 133 students admitted to TJ. And posted the names so unlikely they are making it up. (Also posted AOS/AET names/numbers.)

Wow. So there were 133 students admitted this year that prepped at a place that multiple current students say had a copy of at least one section of the test in prior years.

Just how does one test prep place account for over 25% of the TJHSST class of 2024 admissions? (Are they possibly that good at prep?)

Because the other 75% went to a different prep place?

[Anonymous]

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This "prep" for SAT making a real difference in scores myth has been debunked countless times. The SATs are unquestionably a good proxy for aptitude and success.

SAT has changed from an aptitude test to an achievement test. For example, the analogies are gone. The math section has many more questions from advanced math and less of those 'which of these are true' questions.

What?? When did that happen?

I think it was around 2015. You can look at a sample at Khan academy. The reading comprehension section is still there, and a lot of grammar correction.

[Anonymous]

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The drop back numbers this year will be epic. The class number will be closer to baseline by spring.

Perhaps there will be pressure on teachers to go easy on the kids to prevent this?

Doubt it. It's been tried and there was immense pushback from the teachers.

However, I don't necessarily agree that the selected kids are doomed to fail. Do they and parents need to adjust their expectations as to the amount of work and time commitment? Of course. But once they get used to it, they will shine.

There has been pressure on the teachers to go easier on the kids for DECADES, and rightfully so. Rigor and workload are two separate things, and too often TJ teachers believe that they're connected. More isn't necessarily better.

But additionally critical is that parents need to go easier on their kids. Many TJ students needlessly stay up until all hours of the night because of self-assigned additional study that is unnecessary and provides a low rate of return but makes everyone in the household feel better.

[Anonymous]

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The drop back numbers this year will be epic. The class number will be closer to baseline by spring.

Perhaps there will be pressure on teachers to go easy on the kids to prevent this?

Doubt it. It's been tried and there was immense pushback from the teachers.

However, I don't necessarily agree that the selected kids are doomed to fail. Do they and parents need to adjust their expectations as to the amount of work and time commitment? Of course. But once they get used to it, they will shine.

There has been pressure on the teachers to go easier on the kids for DECADES, and rightfully so. Rigor and workload are two separate things, and too often TJ teachers believe that they're connected. More isn't necessarily better.

But additionally critical is that parents need to go easier on their kids. Many TJ students needlessly stay up until all hours of the night because of self-assigned additional study that is unnecessary and provides a low rate of return but makes everyone in the household feel better.

Here's what I think will happen..

The teachers will not change.
Parents of the "Traditional kids" (i.e. kids that would have gotten in under the old model) would still work hard to excel.
The Lottery kids (i.e. kids that got in but either would not have applied in the old model or would not have made it) will do their best and let the chips fall where they may. Some will continue past Freshman year because they like STEM. Others will move back to base.
The parents that "lost out" now will pick up the seats from the departing students as Sophomore admits.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The drop back numbers this year will be epic. The class number will be closer to baseline by spring.

Perhaps there will be pressure on teachers to go easy on the kids to prevent this?

Doubt it. It's been tried and there was immense pushback from the teachers.

However, I don't necessarily agree that the selected kids are doomed to fail. Do they and parents need to adjust their expectations as to the amount of work and time commitment? Of course. But once they get used to it, they will shine.

There has been pressure on the teachers to go easier on the kids for DECADES, and rightfully so. Rigor and workload are two separate things, and too often TJ teachers believe that they're connected. More isn't necessarily better.

But additionally critical is that parents need to go easier on their kids. Many TJ students needlessly stay up until all hours of the night because of self-assigned additional study that is unnecessary and provides a low rate of return but makes everyone in the household feel better.

Here's what I think will happen..

The teachers will not change.
Parents of the "Traditional kids" (i.e. kids that would have gotten in under the old model) would still work hard to excel.
The Lottery kids (i.e. kids that got in but either would not have applied in the old model or would not have made it) will do their best and let the chips fall where they may. Some will continue past Freshman year because they like STEM. Others will move back to base.
The parents that "lost out" now will pick up the seats from the departing students as Sophomore admits.

Look at the framework you used here.

Parents....would still work hard to excel.
Lottery kids .... will do their best.
The parents that lost out.... will pick up the seats.

Said a BIG mouthful there. I mean HUGE.

I can't speak to whether or not this is what's in your heart, but there are a staggering number of folks out there who believe that their kids' successes are their own, and that other kids not being as advanced is all about poor parenting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The drop back numbers this year will be epic. The class number will be closer to baseline by spring.

Perhaps there will be pressure on teachers to go easy on the kids to prevent this?

Doubt it. It's been tried and there was immense pushback from the teachers.

However, I don't necessarily agree that the selected kids are doomed to fail. Do they and parents need to adjust their expectations as to the amount of work and time commitment? Of course. But once they get used to it, they will shine.

There has been pressure on the teachers to go easier on the kids for DECADES, and rightfully so. Rigor and workload are two separate things, and too often TJ teachers believe that they're connected. More isn't necessarily better.

But additionally critical is that parents need to go easier on their kids. Many TJ students needlessly stay up until all hours of the night because of self-assigned additional study that is unnecessary and provides a low rate of return but makes everyone in the household feel better.

Here's what I think will happen..

The teachers will not change.
Parents of the "Traditional kids" (i.e. kids that would have gotten in under the old model) would still work hard to excel.
The Lottery kids (i.e. kids that got in but either would not have applied in the old model or would not have made it) will do their best and let the chips fall where they may. Some will continue past Freshman year because they like STEM. Others will move back to base.
The parents that "lost out" now will pick up the seats from the departing students as Sophomore admits.

Look at the framework you used here.

Parents....would still work hard to excel.
Lottery kids .... will do their best.
The parents that lost out.... will pick up the seats.

Said a BIG mouthful there. I mean HUGE.

I can't speak to whether or not this is what's in your heart, but there are a staggering number of folks out there who believe that their kids' successes are their own, and that other kids not being as advanced is all about poor parenting.

Agree and also think that poster is way off. More likely this years class will be about the same as previous years. Turns out it will have almost no impact.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The drop back numbers this year will be epic. The class number will be closer to baseline by spring.

Perhaps there will be pressure on teachers to go easy on the kids to prevent this?

Doubt it. It's been tried and there was immense pushback from the teachers.

However, I don't necessarily agree that the selected kids are doomed to fail. Do they and parents need to adjust their expectations as to the amount of work and time commitment? Of course. But once they get used to it, they will shine.

There has been pressure on the teachers to go easier on the kids for DECADES, and rightfully so. Rigor and workload are two separate things, and too often TJ teachers believe that they're connected. More isn't necessarily better.

But additionally critical is that parents need to go easier on their kids. Many TJ students needlessly stay up until all hours of the night because of self-assigned additional study that is unnecessary and provides a low rate of return but makes everyone in the household feel better.

Here's what I think will happen..

The teachers will not change.
Parents of the "Traditional kids" (i.e. kids that would have gotten in under the old model) would still work hard to excel.
The Lottery kids (i.e. kids that got in but either would not have applied in the old model or would not have made it) will do their best and let the chips fall where they may. Some will continue past Freshman year because they like STEM. Others will move back to base.
The parents that "lost out" now will pick up the seats from the departing students as Sophomore admits.

Look at the framework you used here.

Parents....would still work hard to excel.
Lottery kids .... will do their best.
The parents that lost out.... will pick up the seats.

Said a BIG mouthful there. I mean HUGE.

I can't speak to whether or not this is what's in your heart, but there are a staggering number of folks out there who believe that their kids' successes are their own, and that other kids not being as advanced is all about poor parenting.

Nice try at remote psycho-analysis.. . I don't really review what I wrote or sentence structure when I post on forums like these.

And yes, some parents do live through their kids' successes. Sad.

What I listed in my PP is what I think will happen. What I HOPE will happen is that all kids entering TJ this year do well and succeed without the need to dilute standards at TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the other threads, there appears to be some disagreement over in the ethics of prepping. However, there appears to be a prep place with an incredibly high TJ placement success rate that may have crossed the line.

To see for yourself, go to the TJ Vents FB Page. Find the post from July 11th. Read the comments. The student in the Vent and the students in the comments section are talking about a prep place that charges $4,000 and gives the students the test ahead of time. One student in the comments stated that the Quant Q for the class of 2023 was identical to the Quant Q for the class of 2022. It’s clear that they are talking about the Curie Learning Center (“curie” one student states.)

I went to find out more about this place. Apparently Curie Learning Center posted on their FB page on 8/17 that they had 133 students admitted to TJ. And posted the names so unlikely they are making it up. (Also posted AOS/AET names/numbers.)

Wow. So there were 133 students admitted this year that prepped at a place that multiple current students say had a copy of at least one section of the test in prior years.

Just how does one test prep place account for over 25% of the TJHSST class of 2024 admissions? (Are they possibly that good at prep?)

There is no magic here and no one knows the test questions in advance, it is just the effort put in by the kids. I know several kids who went there and it appears like less than a quarter of the kids who go there get into TJ/AOS/AET, but as you might expect they would not publish ratio/percent of total kids who get in Almost all the kids who go there are already in FCPS AAP or LCPS GT program from well educated asian parents often with science background and lots of support for kids education. So, the bar is not very high for the kids. In addition, many of these kids start enrichment as early as 4th grade and they generally do well in their class and I heard pretty much every kid takes Algebra I in 7th grade. I think there is also a placement test for the program and only the kids who qualify are offered the full TJ prep and not every kid qualifies. If the kid doesn't have it in him/her or not willing to put in the effort, it is less likely to get into TJ and I know quite a few of the kids who went to this program and did not get in.

No one but Curie evidently...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The drop back numbers this year will be epic. The class number will be closer to baseline by spring.

Perhaps there will be pressure on teachers to go easy on the kids to prevent this?

Doubt it. It's been tried and there was immense pushback from the teachers.

However, I don't necessarily agree that the selected kids are doomed to fail. Do they and parents need to adjust their expectations as to the amount of work and time commitment? Of course. But once they get used to it, they will shine.

There has been pressure on the teachers to go easier on the kids for DECADES, and rightfully so. Rigor and workload are two separate things, and too often TJ teachers believe that they're connected. More isn't necessarily better.

But additionally critical is that parents need to go easier on their kids. Many TJ students needlessly stay up until all hours of the night because of self-assigned additional study that is unnecessary and provides a low rate of return but makes everyone in the household feel better.

Here's what I think will happen..

The teachers will not change.
Parents of the "Traditional kids" (i.e. kids that would have gotten in under the old model) would still work hard to excel.
The Lottery kids (i.e. kids that got in but either would not have applied in the old model or would not have made it) will do their best and let the chips fall where they may. Some will continue past Freshman year because they like STEM. Others will move back to base.
The parents that "lost out" now will pick up the seats from the departing students as Sophomore admits.

Look at the framework you used here.

Parents....would still work hard to excel.
Lottery kids .... will do their best.
The parents that lost out.... will pick up the seats.

Said a BIG mouthful there. I mean HUGE.

I can't speak to whether or not this is what's in your heart, but there are a staggering number of folks out there who believe that their kids' successes are their own, and that other kids not being as advanced is all about poor parenting.

Nice try at remote psycho-analysis.. . I don't really review what I wrote or sentence structure when I post on forums like these.

And yes, some parents do live through their kids' successes. Sad.

What I listed in my PP is what I think will happen. What I HOPE will happen is that all kids entering TJ this year do well and succeed without the need to dilute standards at TJ.

Sorry if this made you feel bad but I thought they kind of got you pegged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the other threads, there appears to be some disagreement over in the ethics of prepping. However, there appears to be a prep place with an incredibly high TJ placement success rate that may have crossed the line.

To see for yourself, go to the TJ Vents FB Page. Find the post from July 11th. Read the comments. The student in the Vent and the students in the comments section are talking about a prep place that charges $4,000 and gives the students the test ahead of time. One student in the comments stated that the Quant Q for the class of 2023 was identical to the Quant Q for the class of 2022. It’s clear that they are talking about the Curie Learning Center (“curie” one student states.)

I went to find out more about this place. Apparently Curie Learning Center posted on their FB page on 8/17 that they had 133 students admitted to TJ. And posted the names so unlikely they are making it up. (Also posted AOS/AET names/numbers.)

Wow. So there were 133 students admitted this year that prepped at a place that multiple current students say had a copy of at least one section of the test in prior years.

Just how does one test prep place account for over 25% of the TJHSST class of 2024 admissions? (Are they possibly that good at prep?)

There is no magic here and no one knows the test questions in advance, it is just the effort put in by the kids. I know several kids who went there and it appears like less than a quarter of the kids who go there get into TJ/AOS/AET, but as you might expect they would not publish ratio/percent of total kids who get in Almost all the kids who go there are already in FCPS AAP or LCPS GT program from well educated asian parents often with science background and lots of support for kids education. So, the bar is not very high for the kids. In addition, many of these kids start enrichment as early as 4th grade and they generally do well in their class and I heard pretty much every kid takes Algebra I in 7th grade. I think there is also a placement test for the program and only the kids who qualify are offered the full TJ prep and not every kid qualifies. If the kid doesn't have it in him/her or not willing to put in the effort, it is less likely to get into TJ and I know quite a few of the kids who went to this program and did not get in.

Whoop, there it is!

PP here.. I guess, it’s not a secret that Asian parents (especially 1st and may be 2nd generation Asians) put a lot of emphasis on kids education, as they see it as a best path to success and their parents probably did the same for them.. it’s just here, you see in all school systems everywhere.. Just, take spelling bee for example. 😀.

+1

Many Asians can/would not be admitted to colleges in their geographical home area (college admittance test too rigorous there), so that basically scares them into moving to the U.S. - they move to places like Iowa (has sister city to city in China, for example), and get an education here. Then, they want only the top for their kids, because no matter what, it is better than what they had in China. They "train" their kids early, so they can try for HYPS. If that means rote memorization of old tests, so be it.

[Anonymous]

Lots of people had schools closed and looked at Curie. Curie focused on prepping kids for essay writing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The drop back numbers this year will be epic. The class number will be closer to baseline by spring.

Perhaps there will be pressure on teachers to go easy on the kids to prevent this?

Doubt it. It's been tried and there was immense pushback from the teachers.

However, I don't necessarily agree that the selected kids are doomed to fail. Do they and parents need to adjust their expectations as to the amount of work and time commitment? Of course. But once they get used to it, they will shine.

There has been pressure on the teachers to go easier on the kids for DECADES, and rightfully so. Rigor and workload are two separate things, and too often TJ teachers believe that they're connected. More isn't necessarily better.

But additionally critical is that parents need to go easier on their kids. Many TJ students needlessly stay up until all hours of the night because of self-assigned additional study that is unnecessary and provides a low rate of return but makes everyone in the household feel better.

Here's what I think will happen..

The teachers will not change.
Parents of the "Traditional kids" (i.e. kids that would have gotten in under the old model) would still work hard to excel.
The Lottery kids (i.e. kids that got in but either would not have applied in the old model or would not have made it) will do their best and let the chips fall where they may. Some will continue past Freshman year because they like STEM. Others will move back to base.
The parents that "lost out" now will pick up the seats from the departing students as Sophomore admits.

doubtful, there will be pressure from the superintendent down to the principal for that not to happen. It's much easier to fire teachers than to redo the admissions process

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From the other threads, there appears to be some disagreement over in the ethics of prepping. However, there appears to be a prep place with an incredibly high TJ placement success rate that may have crossed the line.

To see for yourself, go to the TJ Vents FB Page. Find the post from July 11th. Read the comments. The student in the Vent and the students in the comments section are talking about a prep place that charges $4,000 and gives the students the test ahead of time. One student in the comments stated that the Quant Q for the class of 2023 was identical to the Quant Q for the class of 2022. It’s clear that they are talking about the Curie Learning Center (“curie” one student states.)

I went to find out more about this place. Apparently Curie Learning Center posted on their FB page on 8/17 that they had 133 students admitted to TJ. And posted the names so unlikely they are making it up. (Also posted AOS/AET names/numbers.)

Wow. So there were 133 students admitted this year that prepped at a place that multiple current students say had a copy of at least one section of the test in prior years.

Just how does one test prep place account for over 25% of the TJHSST class of 2024 admissions? (Are they possibly that good at prep?)

There is no magic here and no one knows the test questions in advance, it is just the effort put in by the kids. I know several kids who went there and it appears like less than a quarter of the kids who go there get into TJ/AOS/AET, but as you might expect they would not publish ratio/percent of total kids who get in Almost all the kids who go there are already in FCPS AAP or LCPS GT program from well educated asian parents often with science background and lots of support for kids education. So, the bar is not very high for the kids. In addition, many of these kids start enrichment as early as 4th grade and they generally do well in their class and I heard pretty much every kid takes Algebra I in 7th grade. I think there is also a placement test for the program and only the kids who qualify are offered the full TJ prep and not every kid qualifies. If the kid doesn't have it in him/her or not willing to put in the effort, it is less likely to get into TJ and I know quite a few of the kids who went to this program and did not get in.

Whoop, there it is!

PP here.. I guess, it’s not a secret that Asian parents (especially 1st and may be 2nd generation Asians) put a lot of emphasis on kids education, as they see it as a best path to success and their parents probably did the same for them.. it’s just here, you see in all school systems everywhere.. Just, take spelling bee for example. 😀.

+1

Many Asians can/would not be admitted to colleges in their geographical home area (college admittance test too rigorous there), so that basically scares them into moving to the U.S. - they move to places like Iowa (has sister city to city in China, for example), and get an education here. Then, they want only the top for their kids, because no matter what, it is better than what they had in China. They "train" their kids early, so they can try for HYPS. If that means rote memorization of old tests, so be it.

you forget the part where HYPS want no part of it and then the parents scream racism when their perfectly prepped kids don't get in

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the other threads, there appears to be some disagreement over in the ethics of prepping. However, there appears to be a prep place with an incredibly high TJ placement success rate that may have crossed the line.

To see for yourself, go to the TJ Vents FB Page. Find the post from July 11th. Read the comments. The student in the Vent and the students in the comments section are talking about a prep place that charges $4,000 and gives the students the test ahead of time. One student in the comments stated that the Quant Q for the class of 2023 was identical to the Quant Q for the class of 2022. It’s clear that they are talking about the Curie Learning Center (“curie” one student states.)

I went to find out more about this place. Apparently Curie Learning Center posted on their FB page on 8/17 that they had 133 students admitted to TJ. And posted the names so unlikely they are making it up. (Also posted AOS/AET names/numbers.)

Wow. So there were 133 students admitted this year that prepped at a place that multiple current students say had a copy of at least one section of the test in prior years.

Just how does one test prep place account for over 25% of the TJHSST class of 2024 admissions? (Are they possibly that good at prep?)

There is no magic here and no one knows the test questions in advance, it is just the effort put in by the kids. I know several kids who went there and it appears like less than a quarter of the kids who go there get into TJ/AOS/AET, but as you might expect they would not publish ratio/percent of total kids who get in Almost all the kids who go there are already in FCPS AAP or LCPS GT program from well educated asian parents often with science background and lots of support for kids education. So, the bar is not very high for the kids. In addition, many of these kids start enrichment as early as 4th grade and they generally do well in their class and I heard pretty much every kid takes Algebra I in 7th grade. I think there is also a placement test for the program and only the kids who qualify are offered the full TJ prep and not every kid qualifies. If the kid doesn't have it in him/her or not willing to put in the effort, it is less likely to get into TJ and I know quite a few of the kids who went to this program and did not get in.

Whoop, there it is!

PP here.. I guess, it’s not a secret that Asian parents (especially 1st and may be 2nd generation Asians) put a lot of emphasis on kids education, as they see it as a best path to success and their parents probably did the same for them.. it’s just here, you see in all school systems everywhere.. Just, take spelling bee for example. 😀.

+1

Many Asians can/would not be admitted to colleges in their geographical home area (college admittance test too rigorous there), so that basically scares them into moving to the U.S. - they move to places like Iowa (has sister city to city in China, for example), and get an education here. Then, they want only the top for their kids, because no matter what, it is better than what they had in China. They "train" their kids early, so they can try for HYPS. If that means rote memorization of old tests, so be it.

you forget the part where HYPS want no part of it and then the parents scream racism when their perfectly prepped kids don't get in

And then they will resort to bribing college officials and bribing SAT officials to get their snowflakes in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the other threads, there appears to be some disagreement over in the ethics of prepping. However, there appears to be a prep place with an incredibly high TJ placement success rate that may have crossed the line.

To see for yourself, go to the TJ Vents FB Page. Find the post from July 11th. Read the comments. The student in the Vent and the students in the comments section are talking about a prep place that charges $4,000 and gives the students the test ahead of time. One student in the comments stated that the Quant Q for the class of 2023 was identical to the Quant Q for the class of 2022. It’s clear that they are talking about the Curie Learning Center (“curie” one student states.)

I went to find out more about this place. Apparently Curie Learning Center posted on their FB page on 8/17 that they had 133 students admitted to TJ. And posted the names so unlikely they are making it up. (Also posted AOS/AET names/numbers.)

Wow. So there were 133 students admitted this year that prepped at a place that multiple current students say had a copy of at least one section of the test in prior years.

Just how does one test prep place account for over 25% of the TJHSST class of 2024 admissions? (Are they possibly that good at prep?)

There is no magic here and no one knows the test questions in advance, it is just the effort put in by the kids. I know several kids who went there and it appears like less than a quarter of the kids who go there get into TJ/AOS/AET, but as you might expect they would not publish ratio/percent of total kids who get in Almost all the kids who go there are already in FCPS AAP or LCPS GT program from well educated asian parents often with science background and lots of support for kids education. So, the bar is not very high for the kids. In addition, many of these kids start enrichment as early as 4th grade and they generally do well in their class and I heard pretty much every kid takes Algebra I in 7th grade. I think there is also a placement test for the program and only the kids who qualify are offered the full TJ prep and not every kid qualifies. If the kid doesn't have it in him/her or not willing to put in the effort, it is less likely to get into TJ and I know quite a few of the kids who went to this program and did not get in.

Whoop, there it is!

PP here.. I guess, it’s not a secret that Asian parents (especially 1st and may be 2nd generation Asians) put a lot of emphasis on kids education, as they see it as a best path to success and their parents probably did the same for them.. it’s just here, you see in all school systems everywhere.. Just, take spelling bee for example. 😀.

+1

Many Asians can/would not be admitted to colleges in their geographical home area (college admittance test too rigorous there), so that basically scares them into moving to the U.S. - they move to places like Iowa (has sister city to city in China, for example), and get an education here. Then, they want only the top for their kids, because no matter what, it is better than what they had in China. They "train" their kids early, so they can try for HYPS. If that means rote memorization of old tests, so be it.

you forget the part where HYPS want no part of it and then the parents scream racism when their perfectly prepped kids don't get in

And then they will resort to bribing college officials and bribing SAT officials to get their snowflakes in.

Don’t forget where they commit fraud on college applications. They should really try telling their kids to prep I mean study harder.