How does one prep place account for 25% of TJ Admissions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It looks like there are cheaters out there, but that doesn't mean all of the TJ students are cheaters.

Yeah, the white ones probably aren't

You're despicable. There are cheaters of every race and ethical people of every race. I could name several white cheaters, but that doesn't make all whites cheaters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It looks like there are cheaters out there, but that doesn't mean all of the TJ students are cheaters.

Yeah, the white ones probably aren't

Like aunt Becky and uncle Target. Thanks

[Anonymous]

Gotta love all the overt woke racists on DCUM. It really makes me take their other comments seriously.

[Anonymous]

Why has this become a racist issue?

There is concerning information that 25% of the TJ class of 2024 prepped with a company that multiple current TJ students state helped them cheat during the admission process.

Everyone should be worried about this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So looking forward to the state’s reforming admission criteria.

Get rid of aap and improve all elementary schools.

Asian Tiger parent here, and I would be all for this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why has this become a racist issue?

There is concerning information that 25% of the TJ class of 2024 prepped with a company that multiple current TJ students state helped them cheat during the admission process.

Everyone should be worried about this.

Why don’t you go and meet with TJ officials and fcps officials and stop masquerading your racism if you are so worked up about it.

I am more concerned about all this talk of wealthy white parents bribing doctors to get phony medical diagnosis to get extra time and other accommodations for their kids all throughout high school years, for act and sat tests and continuing into college classes. Apparently, this is so prevalent that potentially 10-15% of wealthy white parents and kids are involved.

On top of that, there is also suspicion that many of the private wisc scores used by wealthy white parents for aap appeals cases are possibly fraudulent as well. You should investigate these cases since you seem to be concerned about cheating and the fake learning disability and fake wisc scores appear to be far more wide spread than what you allege for TJ students.

[Anonymous]

Let me give an example.. when I was in grad school, one of the engineering final tests had one very difficult problem and most of the students couldn't solve it. I was the only one in my class who was able to solve it and got an A+ in the course - the reason, I already solved the problem from another book (not in the list of recommended books professor gave us) few days before while preparing for finals. I just happened to have the book with me while no one else knew about it. May be professor lazy to prepare and new problem and just copied the problem with few changes. Is it fair? - not sure, but its a gray area. I never told the professor, but I told my friends about the book after the test. Some thought its not fair and some thought I was just lucky. Well, may be both.

The point here is, no matter how creative are the teachers who create these tests, we just don't have that many different types of math problems with out being repetitive. If they make the test too unique with never seen before problems, it will be too difficult of kids. But, some times the teachers do get lazy and copy the problems as-is (or with minimal alterations) from old tests or other books/materials etc. But, you can't blame students for being prepared for those kinds of problems.

Btw, the only reason I knew about this enrichment center is a kid in my neighborhood went there and parents highly recommended it to us (we didn't know about it earlier). My daughter started going to Kumon this summer and already hating it and so, I was thinking of a different curriculum and considering sending it to this program next year from 4th grade (she just got into AAP 3rd grade). Unlike kumon, this enrichment program is at AAP level and an extension to what is being taught in school (but not too advanced or overwhelming for kids). I usually teach math to my kids, but generally don't listen to me that much and coming up with material everyday/week to teach and keep them engaged is very difficult.

So, please ignore what other say here and do consider this enrichment center if you decide to send your kids there. If so many cheaters get into TJ every year, the school will not be #1 in the country with so much reputation. You may fool others to get your foot in the door, but will not be able to survive for longer under intense competition at TJ - we see this often in our jobs i.e. you can fake the job application and interview, but not the actual job in the long run. From what I hear, TJ kids are well recognized/respected in any college they go to and many do well in their life.

I don't know if my kid(s) will get into TJ, but I don't want to discourage them about all this nonsense. I prefer to have advanced education purely based on interest and talent and not some random tests, competitions that need a lot of prepping. As a matter of fact, I do not like segregating kids for AAP right in the 3rd grade based couple of tests. I hope TJ will not royally screw up their magnet program in the name of diversity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why has this become a racist issue?

There is concerning information that 25% of the TJ class of 2024 prepped with a company that multiple current TJ students state helped them cheat during the admission process.

Everyone should be worried about this.

Why don’t you go and meet with TJ officials and fcps officials and stop masquerading your racism if you are so worked up about it.

I am more concerned about all this talk of wealthy white parents bribing doctors to get phony medical diagnosis to get extra time and other accommodations for their kids all throughout high school years, for act and sat tests and continuing into college classes. Apparently, this is so prevalent that potentially 10-15% of wealthy white parents and kids are involved.

On top of that, there is also suspicion that many of the private wisc scores used by wealthy white parents for aap appeals cases are possibly fraudulent as well. You should investigate these cases since you seem to be concerned about cheating and the fake learning disability and fake wisc scores appear to be far more wide spread than what you allege for TJ students.

You appear to have engaged in ad hominem attacks, but I will still respond to respond to your points:

1. Yes, that is a good reminder that posting on DCUM in and of itself is not advocacy.

2. You state that 10-15% of wealthy white parents get testing accommodations based on a phony diagnosis. Do you have a source, please? Please recognize that 10% of children do have a learning disability. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130418142309.htm

3. I do not have any information on inflated WISC scores, but would be interested to read any data/sources.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why has this become a racist issue?

Because the same twit who screws with every TJ thread decided that an appropriate response about prepping for TJ was to blame whitey even though it was clear that whitey was not involved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let me give an example.. when I was in grad school, one of the engineering final tests had one very difficult problem and most of the students couldn't solve it. I was the only one in my class who was able to solve it and got an A+ in the course - the reason, I already solved the problem from another book (not in the list of recommended books professor gave us) few days before while preparing for finals. I just happened to have the book with me while no one else knew about it. May be professor lazy to prepare and new problem and just copied the problem with few changes. Is it fair? - not sure, but its a gray area. I never told the professor, but I told my friends about the book after the test. Some thought its not fair and some thought I was just lucky. Well, may be both.

The point here is, no matter how creative are the teachers who create these tests, we just don't have that many different types of math problems with out being repetitive. If they make the test too unique with never seen before problems, it will be too difficult of kids. But, some times the teachers do get lazy and copy the problems as-is (or with minimal alterations) from old tests or other books/materials etc. But, you can't blame students for being prepared for those kinds of problems.

Btw, the only reason I knew about this enrichment center is a kid in my neighborhood went there and parents highly recommended it to us (we didn't know about it earlier). My daughter started going to Kumon this summer and already hating it and so, I was thinking of a different curriculum and considering sending it to this program next year from 4th grade (she just got into AAP 3rd grade). Unlike kumon, this enrichment program is at AAP level and an extension to what is being taught in school (but not too advanced or overwhelming for kids). I usually teach math to my kids, but generally don't listen to me that much and coming up with material everyday/week to teach and keep them engaged is very difficult.

So, please ignore what other say here and do consider this enrichment center if you decide to send your kids there. If so many cheaters get into TJ every year, the school will not be #1 in the country with so much reputation. You may fool others to get your foot in the door, but will not be able to survive for longer under intense competition at TJ - we see this often in our jobs i.e. you can fake the job application and interview, but not the actual job in the long run. From what I hear, TJ kids are well recognized/respected in any college they go to and many do well in their life.

I don't know if my kid(s) will get into TJ, but I don't want to discourage them about all this nonsense. I prefer to have advanced education purely based on interest and talent and not some random tests, competitions that need a lot of prepping. As a matter of fact, I do not like segregating kids for AAP right in the 3rd grade based couple of tests. I hope TJ will not royally screw up their magnet program in the name of diversity.

If you are considering this center, please read the Google Reviews. 2.1 rating

Also, watch this video.

https://www.facebook.com/curielearningexton/videos/1183112445033399/?vh=e&extid=em82VYBrjX8Yv45m

The founder of this prep place is comparing reading fiction to alcoholism. This is what these prep companies are doing to our children.

[Anonymous]

There is literally no secret here. I went to MIT, 60+% of us were in fraternity/sororities and we had psets and tests from every class. Lazy professors made our lives easier.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why has this become a racist issue?

There is concerning information that 25% of the TJ class of 2024 prepped with a company that multiple current TJ students state helped them cheat during the admission process.

Everyone should be worried about this.

Why don’t you go and meet with TJ officials and fcps officials and stop masquerading your racism if you are so worked up about it.

I am more concerned about all this talk of wealthy white parents bribing doctors to get phony medical diagnosis to get extra time and other accommodations for their kids all throughout high school years, for act and sat tests and continuing into college classes. Apparently, this is so prevalent that potentially 10-15% of wealthy white parents and kids are involved.

On top of that, there is also suspicion that many of the private wisc scores used by wealthy white parents for aap appeals cases are possibly fraudulent as well. You should investigate these cases since you seem to be concerned about cheating and the fake learning disability and fake wisc scores appear to be far more wide spread than what you allege for TJ students.

Your racism, hatred and constant instinct for deflection do the TJ community no favors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why has this become a racist issue?

There is concerning information that 25% of the TJ class of 2024 prepped with a company that multiple current TJ students state helped them cheat during the admission process.

Everyone should be worried about this.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
If you are considering this center, please read the Google Reviews. 2.1 rating

Also, watch this video.

https://www.facebook.com/curielearningexton/videos/1183112445033399/?vh=e&extid=em82VYBrjX8Yv45m

The founder of this prep place is comparing reading fiction to alcoholism. This is what these prep companies are doing to our children.

This is funny.. my daughter is so much into fiction and finished harry potter, percy jackson, heroes of olympus and few others and some times she doesn't even come out of the room for the whole day. We are encouraging to read non-fiction and even her 2nd grade teacher suggested the same as well, but she is refusing. I am a little concerned, but I am hoping she will grow out of it considering is only a rising 3nd grader This guy's wording isn't correct, but I think he meant to say fiction is not the best way to improve your english and some kids are so much into fiction that they are constantly reading ignoring the school work or other development. I understand this because, we are going through it right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From the other threads, there appears to be some disagreement over in the ethics of prepping. However, there appears to be a prep place with an incredibly high TJ placement success rate that may have crossed the line.

To see for yourself, go to the TJ Vents FB Page. Find the post from July 11th. Read the comments. The student in the Vent and the students in the comments section are talking about a prep place that charges $4,000 and gives the students the test ahead of time. One student in the comments stated that the Quant Q for the class of 2023 was identical to the Quant Q for the class of 2022. It’s clear that they are talking about the Curie Learning Center (“curie” one student states.)

I went to find out more about this place. Apparently Curie Learning Center posted on their FB page on 8/17 that they had 133 students admitted to TJ. And posted the names so unlikely they are making it up. (Also posted AOS/AET names/numbers.)

Wow. So there were 133 students admitted this year that prepped at a place that multiple current students say had a copy of at least one section of the test in prior years.

Just how does one test prep place account for over 25% of the TJHSST class of 2024 admissions? (Are they possibly that good at prep?)

Maybe they are bribing the right people like Rick Singer did for wealthy white parents.