The Cambridges News and Updates ( Prince William, Kate Middleton, George, Charlotte and Louis)

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Anonymous wrote:No one needs to see his ugly horseface. Bring back someone hot. Sheeet.

It’s just fascinating how much his hair changed his whole appearance. Like his teeth are terrible but somehow they weren’t as noticeable when he had a head full of hair.


Hair loss exposed his very tall forehead. As his face appears longer, his teeth appear narrower. That's the optics of it.


It’s so true. He was objectively good looking as a teen.



I love the Cambridges but William has never looked good. I think a lot of white people just think blonde and rich equals attractive. It certainly worked for Diana, who was...blonde and rich.
Thank goodness for Kate, those kids have a fighting chance at being decent looking.
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The video was really cheesy. Not sure why they did it.
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Anonymous wrote:No one needs to see his ugly horseface. Bring back someone hot. Sheeet.

It’s just fascinating how much his hair changed his whole appearance. Like his teeth are terrible but somehow they weren’t as noticeable when he had a head full of hair.


Hair loss exposed his very tall forehead. As his face appears longer, his teeth appear narrower. That's the optics of it.


It’s so true. He was objectively good looking as a teen.



I love the Cambridges but William has never looked good. I think a lot of white people just think blonde and rich equals attractive. It certainly worked for Diana, who was...blonde and rich.
Thank goodness for Kate, those kids have a fighting chance at being decent looking.


You don't think his order in the line of succession had something to do with it?
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Anonymous wrote:Agree with PP. She is lovely and looks fantastic. She does not look like a woman troubled with issues of her husband's affairs.

I remember watching their wedding 10 years ago today. And now I wish them many more years of happiness together!


she's the mother of a future king. She may or may not care about William even existing or not


That’s ridiculous. All of her status and wealth is tied to William. If they divorce, William’s wealth is protected because it’s all inherited. She would get a pittance much like Fergie and even Diana. She is the mother of George so if the monarchy survives she’d be invited to his coronation obviously. However, she would be locked out of every other privilege she currently enjoys — unless William decided to follow Andrew’s lead and allow her to live in one of his houses. Kate is especially vulnerable because her parents also live in one of William’s houses. Though Pippa is pretty wealthy, so they’d be okay.

Anyone saying she doesn’t care about her attachment to William is delusional.



Kate's parents don't "live in one of William's houses." He gave them some of the money for the down payment as a gift, possibly because they were upgrading to a bigger and more remote house due to privacy and security concerns after Kate joined the BRF.
https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/kate-middleton-and-prince-william-buy-house-for-middletons-2012266/

Property rights don't attach when someone gives money as a gift to buy a home. Kate's parents are successful business owners and are wealthy (at least by normal standards) in their own right. Your suggestion that the Middletons are somehow financially dependent on William is ridiculous.




Not PP. I agree that he might not have an ownership interest in their home (although we don’t really know how it was structured). But you are seriously delusional if you think her parents are wealthy. If they were they would not need financial assistance to purchase a bigger/more remote house for security concerns or not. Rich people don’t take money from their kids. Slash they would have already had sufficient security in place if they were really that wealthy.


I'm the PP you're responding to. Obviously, none of us know what the Middletons' net worth is, but it has been estimated to be quite high (up to $67M). The high estimates are likely too high, and likely a significant portion of that wealth is non-liquid, as it's derived from the ownership of their business (which is apparently valued at about ~$40M). But the Middletons have been UMC/wealthy for years. They put Kate and her siblings through exclusive boarding schools and bought Kate and Pippa ~$2M apartment in a fancy part of London before they were married. So they aren't in the "wealth league" of the BRF or billionaires, like Pippa's husband's family, but they certainly aren't dependent on being in William's good graces to finance their lifestyle.
https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/money-and-power/a20166559/kate-middleton-parents-carole-michael-net-worth/


Yawn.

And Diana was from an aristocratic family. She still died within a year of her divorce.

There’s wealthy. Then there’s wealthy enough to afford security.



They won’t leave George without security


The Middleton’s are not weslthy - never have been.

Uncle Gary the drug addict is wealthy and paid for Kate/Pippa’s schooling through various means. William paid for their house. Recently they were also trying to sell Party Pieces pre-pandemic because business was bad - Covid undoubtedly made it worse.


Where are you getting this information? Nothing that’s publicly available backs up the claims you’re making here.


You're welcome to read up on wife-beating drug addict Uncle Gary here

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/duchess-cambridge-kate-uncle-fine-assaulting-wife-drugs-row-gary-goldsmith-julie-ann-london-a8081561.html
https://www.thedailybeast.com/kates-naughty-coke-sniffing-uncle-gary-lifts-lid-on-kate-pippa-and-william
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Anonymous wrote:Agree with PP. She is lovely and looks fantastic. She does not look like a woman troubled with issues of her husband's affairs.

I remember watching their wedding 10 years ago today. And now I wish them many more years of happiness together!


+1

There is no way he is having affairs. The posters who keep bringing that up look straight up delusional.

If they are faking the happiness that is apparent in the photos and videos, then they would be Oscar level actors. Not likely.


You mean smiling for the camera?

That’s basically Kate and William’s job description. They’ve had 10 years to practice. Kate has a lot of incentive to put on a happy face since she stands to lose her titles and access to money abd property. Also, the anniversary video looks like it was filmed at the same time as their Christmas photo. The clothes are the same and so is the background and lighting. It’s odd they couldn’t find another opportunity to be take a photo together especially since Kate is so big on photography.
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Anonymous wrote:Agree with PP. She is lovely and looks fantastic. She does not look like a woman troubled with issues of her husband's affairs.

I remember watching their wedding 10 years ago today. And now I wish them many more years of happiness together!


she's the mother of a future king. She may or may not care about William even existing or not


That’s ridiculous. All of her status and wealth is tied to William. If they divorce, William’s wealth is protected because it’s all inherited. She would get a pittance much like Fergie and even Diana. She is the mother of George so if the monarchy survives she’d be invited to his coronation obviously. However, she would be locked out of every other privilege she currently enjoys — unless William decided to follow Andrew’s lead and allow her to live in one of his houses. Kate is especially vulnerable because her parents also live in one of William’s houses. Though Pippa is pretty wealthy, so they’d be okay.

Anyone saying she doesn’t care about her attachment to William is delusional.



Kate's parents don't "live in one of William's houses." He gave them some of the money for the down payment as a gift, possibly because they were upgrading to a bigger and more remote house due to privacy and security concerns after Kate joined the BRF.
https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/kate-middleton-and-prince-william-buy-house-for-middletons-2012266/

Property rights don't attach when someone gives money as a gift to buy a home. Kate's parents are successful business owners and are wealthy (at least by normal standards) in their own right. Your suggestion that the Middletons are somehow financially dependent on William is ridiculous.




Not PP. I agree that he might not have an ownership interest in their home (although we don’t really know how it was structured). But you are seriously delusional if you think her parents are wealthy. If they were they would not need financial assistance to purchase a bigger/more remote house for security concerns or not. Rich people don’t take money from their kids. Slash they would have already had sufficient security in place if they were really that wealthy.


I'm the PP you're responding to. Obviously, none of us know what the Middletons' net worth is, but it has been estimated to be quite high (up to $67M). The high estimates are likely too high, and likely a significant portion of that wealth is non-liquid, as it's derived from the ownership of their business (which is apparently valued at about ~$40M). But the Middletons have been UMC/wealthy for years. They put Kate and her siblings through exclusive boarding schools and bought Kate and Pippa ~$2M apartment in a fancy part of London before they were married. So they aren't in the "wealth league" of the BRF or billionaires, like Pippa's husband's family, but they certainly aren't dependent on being in William's good graces to finance their lifestyle.
https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/money-and-power/a20166559/kate-middleton-parents-carole-michael-net-worth/


Yawn.

And Diana was from an aristocratic family. She still died within a year of her divorce.

There’s wealthy. Then there’s wealthy enough to afford security.



They won’t leave George without security


The Middleton’s are not weslthy - never have been.

Uncle Gary the drug addict is wealthy and paid for Kate/Pippa’s schooling through various means. William paid for their house. Recently they were also trying to sell Party Pieces pre-pandemic because business was bad - Covid undoubtedly made it worse.


Where are you getting this information? Nothing that’s publicly available backs up the claims you’re making here.


You're welcome to read up on wife-beating drug addict Uncle Gary here

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/duchess-cambridge-kate-uncle-fine-assaulting-wife-drugs-row-gary-goldsmith-julie-ann-london-a8081561.html
https://www.thedailybeast.com/kates-naughty-coke-sniffing-uncle-gary-lifts-lid-on-kate-pippa-and-william


Kate's uncle's wife-beating is a red herring in the discussion about Kate's parents' wealth (or lack thereof) that's been going on. I asked for any publicly available reports supporting your assertions that (1) her uncle paid for her schooling, (2) William "paid for [the Middletons'] house," and (3) that the Middletons were recently trying to sell Party Pieces, because I didn't find any evidence of these things when I searched.

Lots of people have extended relatives who do unsavory things. I'm not going to hold it against Kate or anyone else.
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Anonymous wrote:I think the video is a bit cheesy. They are cute family for sure, but it just seems overdone.

And I shudder to think what the response would be if H&M put out a video like that. The internet would explode with the backlash.


Exactly. The double standards are deafening.


Up until 2018 - the Cambridges spent their entire marriage barking at anyone who suggested the public should be seeing more of their kids. Then the affair was exposed and suddenly there’s a half dozen engagements with all the kids every single year. Photos, video and audio galore.

Up until that point the public hasn’t even known what George’s voice sounded like! Coincidence? Nope. The kids are the only thing William has to keep the tabloids from exposing him now.

Sad but true.
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Anonymous wrote:No one needs to see his ugly horseface. Bring back someone hot. Sheeet.

It’s just fascinating how much his hair changed his whole appearance. Like his teeth are terrible but somehow they weren’t as noticeable when he had a head full of hair.


Hair loss exposed his very tall forehead. As his face appears longer, his teeth appear narrower. That's the optics of it.


It’s so true. He was objectively good looking as a teen.



I love the Cambridges but William has never looked good. I think a lot of white people just think blonde and rich equals attractive. It certainly worked for Diana, who was...blonde and rich.
Thank goodness for Kate, those kids have a fighting chance at being decent looking.


I think you’re forgetting. He may not be your cup of tea but he looked like a Ralph Lauren model in college. Now he looks like a neighborhood dad where you’d say “hmm. That bald dad is actually a little bit cute.” He still has nice eyes and nice facial structure through the cheekbones and jaw.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marieclaire.com/celebrity/amp28233764/prince-william-rejected-by-texas-heiress-in-college/
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Anonymous wrote:I think the video is a bit cheesy. They are cute family for sure, but it just seems overdone.

And I shudder to think what the response would be if H&M put out a video like that. The internet would explode with the backlash.


Exactly. The double standards are deafening.


Up until 2018 - the Cambridges spent their entire marriage barking at anyone who suggested the public should be seeing more of their kids. Then the affair was exposed and suddenly there’s a half dozen engagements with all the kids every single year. Photos, video and audio galore.

Up until that point the public hasn’t even known what George’s voice sounded like! Coincidence? Nope. The kids are the only thing William has to keep the tabloids from exposing him now.


Exactly. The timing lines up perfectly with the rumors of infidelity and increased kid exposure. It also explains the strained relationship with his brother. Back then there were lots of stories that Harry was angry with his brother for cheating.
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Anonymous wrote:Agree with PP. She is lovely and looks fantastic. She does not look like a woman troubled with issues of her husband's affairs.

I remember watching their wedding 10 years ago today. And now I wish them many more years of happiness together!


she's the mother of a future king. She may or may not care about William even existing or not


That’s ridiculous. All of her status and wealth is tied to William. If they divorce, William’s wealth is protected because it’s all inherited. She would get a pittance much like Fergie and even Diana. She is the mother of George so if the monarchy survives she’d be invited to his coronation obviously. However, she would be locked out of every other privilege she currently enjoys — unless William decided to follow Andrew’s lead and allow her to live in one of his houses. Kate is especially vulnerable because her parents also live in one of William’s houses. Though Pippa is pretty wealthy, so they’d be okay.

Anyone saying she doesn’t care about her attachment to William is delusional.



Kate's parents don't "live in one of William's houses." He gave them some of the money for the down payment as a gift, possibly because they were upgrading to a bigger and more remote house due to privacy and security concerns after Kate joined the BRF.
https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/kate-middleton-and-prince-william-buy-house-for-middletons-2012266/

Property rights don't attach when someone gives money as a gift to buy a home. Kate's parents are successful business owners and are wealthy (at least by normal standards) in their own right. Your suggestion that the Middletons are somehow financially dependent on William is ridiculous.




Not PP. I agree that he might not have an ownership interest in their home (although we don’t really know how it was structured). But you are seriously delusional if you think her parents are wealthy. If they were they would not need financial assistance to purchase a bigger/more remote house for security concerns or not. Rich people don’t take money from their kids. Slash they would have already had sufficient security in place if they were really that wealthy.


I'm the PP you're responding to. Obviously, none of us know what the Middletons' net worth is, but it has been estimated to be quite high (up to $67M). The high estimates are likely too high, and likely a significant portion of that wealth is non-liquid, as it's derived from the ownership of their business (which is apparently valued at about ~$40M). But the Middletons have been UMC/wealthy for years. They put Kate and her siblings through exclusive boarding schools and bought Kate and Pippa ~$2M apartment in a fancy part of London before they were married. So they aren't in the "wealth league" of the BRF or billionaires, like Pippa's husband's family, but they certainly aren't dependent on being in William's good graces to finance their lifestyle.
https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/money-and-power/a20166559/kate-middleton-parents-carole-michael-net-worth/


Yawn.

And Diana was from an aristocratic family. She still died within a year of her divorce.

There’s wealthy. Then there’s wealthy enough to afford security.



They won’t leave George without security


The Middleton’s are not weslthy - never have been.

Uncle Gary the drug addict is wealthy and paid for Kate/Pippa’s schooling through various means. William paid for their house. Recently they were also trying to sell Party Pieces pre-pandemic because business was bad - Covid undoubtedly made it worse.

+100

Gary is the richest one out of all of them and clearly thinks very highly of Kate based on what he’s said about her publicly. There is no publicly available info on the profitability of the company plus party pieces laid off a substantial number of staff in the past year. And the things that people point to as showing their wealth (going to boarding school, the apartment in London) could quite easily be paid for by Gary.

I’m not knocking Carole and Gary. I think they have come a long way and done a lot for their family. But you are not going to be worth $67 million from a company that has less than 100 employees and isn’t publicly traded UNLESS it’s something like Bain Capital. Which this is not.
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Anonymous wrote:Agree with PP. She is lovely and looks fantastic. She does not look like a woman troubled with issues of her husband's affairs.

I remember watching their wedding 10 years ago today. And now I wish them many more years of happiness together!


she's the mother of a future king. She may or may not care about William even existing or not


That’s ridiculous. All of her status and wealth is tied to William. If they divorce, William’s wealth is protected because it’s all inherited. She would get a pittance much like Fergie and even Diana. She is the mother of George so if the monarchy survives she’d be invited to his coronation obviously. However, she would be locked out of every other privilege she currently enjoys — unless William decided to follow Andrew’s lead and allow her to live in one of his houses. Kate is especially vulnerable because her parents also live in one of William’s houses. Though Pippa is pretty wealthy, so they’d be okay.

Anyone saying she doesn’t care about her attachment to William is delusional.



Kate's parents don't "live in one of William's houses." He gave them some of the money for the down payment as a gift, possibly because they were upgrading to a bigger and more remote house due to privacy and security concerns after Kate joined the BRF.
https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/kate-middleton-and-prince-william-buy-house-for-middletons-2012266/

Property rights don't attach when someone gives money as a gift to buy a home. Kate's parents are successful business owners and are wealthy (at least by normal standards) in their own right. Your suggestion that the Middletons are somehow financially dependent on William is ridiculous.




Not PP. I agree that he might not have an ownership interest in their home (although we don’t really know how it was structured). But you are seriously delusional if you think her parents are wealthy. If they were they would not need financial assistance to purchase a bigger/more remote house for security concerns or not. Rich people don’t take money from their kids. Slash they would have already had sufficient security in place if they were really that wealthy.


I'm the PP you're responding to. Obviously, none of us know what the Middletons' net worth is, but it has been estimated to be quite high (up to $67M). The high estimates are likely too high, and likely a significant portion of that wealth is non-liquid, as it's derived from the ownership of their business (which is apparently valued at about ~$40M). But the Middletons have been UMC/wealthy for years. They put Kate and her siblings through exclusive boarding schools and bought Kate and Pippa ~$2M apartment in a fancy part of London before they were married. So they aren't in the "wealth league" of the BRF or billionaires, like Pippa's husband's family, but they certainly aren't dependent on being in William's good graces to finance their lifestyle.
https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/money-and-power/a20166559/kate-middleton-parents-carole-michael-net-worth/


Yawn.

And Diana was from an aristocratic family. She still died within a year of her divorce.

There’s wealthy. Then there’s wealthy enough to afford security.



They won’t leave George without security


The Middleton’s are not weslthy - never have been.

Uncle Gary the drug addict is wealthy and paid for Kate/Pippa’s schooling through various means. William paid for their house. Recently they were also trying to sell Party Pieces pre-pandemic because business was bad - Covid undoubtedly made it worse.


Where are you getting this information? Nothing that’s publicly available backs up the claims you’re making here.


You're welcome to read up on wife-beating drug addict Uncle Gary here

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/duchess-cambridge-kate-uncle-fine-assaulting-wife-drugs-row-gary-goldsmith-julie-ann-london-a8081561.html
https://www.thedailybeast.com/kates-naughty-coke-sniffing-uncle-gary-lifts-lid-on-kate-pippa-and-william


Kate's uncle's wife-beating is a red herring in the discussion about Kate's parents' wealth (or lack thereof) that's been going on. I asked for any publicly available reports supporting your assertions that (1) her uncle paid for her schooling, (2) William "paid for [the Middletons'] house," and (3) that the Middletons were recently trying to sell Party Pieces, because I didn't find any evidence of these things when I searched.

Lots of people have extended relatives who do unsavory things. I'm not going to hold it against Kate or anyone else.

House-https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/kate-middleton-and-prince-william-buy-house-for-middletons-2012266/amp/

Carole herself on the layoffs in the daily mail: “ Yes, a couple of people are leaving but this is our much-loved family business which is far from failing. All of the changes we are making are to help protect the business for the future.”. There are ~20 ish employees so a few is a lot

I personally think they paid for boarding school because I think that the business was more profitable in the past like many other now defunct catalogue based businesses.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree with PP. She is lovely and looks fantastic. She does not look like a woman troubled with issues of her husband's affairs.

I remember watching their wedding 10 years ago today. And now I wish them many more years of happiness together!


+1

There is no way he is having affairs. The posters who keep bringing that up look straight up delusional.

If they are faking the happiness that is apparent in the photos and videos, then they would be Oscar level actors. Not likely.


You mean smiling for the camera?

That’s basically Kate and William’s job description. They’ve had 10 years to practice. Kate has a lot of incentive to put on a happy face since she stands to lose her titles and access to money abd property. Also, the anniversary video looks like it was filmed at the same time as their Christmas photo. The clothes are the same and so is the background and lighting. It’s odd they couldn’t find another opportunity to be take a photo together especially since Kate is so big on photography.

It is from then. They aren’t concealing that it’s from a year ago. They also have a videographer as part of their staff so even weirder that they used an old
Video.
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Anonymous wrote:No one needs to see his ugly horseface. Bring back someone hot. Sheeet.

It’s just fascinating how much his hair changed his whole appearance. Like his teeth are terrible but somehow they weren’t as noticeable when he had a head full of hair.


Hair loss exposed his very tall forehead. As his face appears longer, his teeth appear narrower. That's the optics of it.


It’s so true. He was objectively good looking as a teen.



I love the Cambridges but William has never looked good. I think a lot of white people just think blonde and rich equals attractive. It certainly worked for Diana, who was...blonde and rich.
Thank goodness for Kate, those kids have a fighting chance at being decent looking.


I think you’re forgetting. He may not be your cup of tea but he looked like a Ralph Lauren model in college. Now he looks like a neighborhood dad where you’d say “hmm. That bald dad is actually a little bit cute.” He still has nice eyes and nice facial structure through the cheekbones and jaw.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marieclaire.com/celebrity/amp28233764/prince-william-rejected-by-texas-heiress-in-college/

He looks worse than the average dad. Because it’s not that he’s bald it’s his facial structure is bad. Jason Statham is bald and still handsome. William’s front teeth are so bizarrely long. And he has a hump on his nose. At least he’s tall!
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Anonymous wrote:No one needs to see his ugly horseface. Bring back someone hot. Sheeet.

It’s just fascinating how much his hair changed his whole appearance. Like his teeth are terrible but somehow they weren’t as noticeable when he had a head full of hair.


Hair loss exposed his very tall forehead. As his face appears longer, his teeth appear narrower. That's the optics of it.


It’s so true. He was objectively good looking as a teen.



I love the Cambridges but William has never looked good. I think a lot of white people just think blonde and rich equals attractive. It certainly worked for Diana, who was...blonde and rich.
Thank goodness for Kate, those kids have a fighting chance at being decent looking.


I think you’re forgetting. He may not be your cup of tea but he looked like a Ralph Lauren model in college. Now he looks like a neighborhood dad where you’d say “hmm. That bald dad is actually a little bit cute.” He still has nice eyes and nice facial structure through the cheekbones and jaw.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marieclaire.com/celebrity/amp28233764/prince-william-rejected-by-texas-heiress-in-college/


I'm not forgetting. I don't think he was ever attractive.
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Anonymous wrote:No one needs to see his ugly horseface. Bring back someone hot. Sheeet.

It’s just fascinating how much his hair changed his whole appearance. Like his teeth are terrible but somehow they weren’t as noticeable when he had a head full of hair.


Hair loss exposed his very tall forehead. As his face appears longer, his teeth appear narrower. That's the optics of it.


It’s so true. He was objectively good looking as a teen.



I love the Cambridges but William has never looked good. I think a lot of white people just think blonde and rich equals attractive. It certainly worked for Diana, who was...blonde and rich.
Thank goodness for Kate, those kids have a fighting chance at being decent looking.


You don't think his order in the line of succession had something to do with it?


Uh, no? His order in the line of succession might make him appealing to some, but it doesn't make him attractive. Charles is next in line. Am I supposed to think he's hot?
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