I thought you said it was private school kids receiving accommodations. Private schools kids are typically in non-affluent school districts. Now you are saying it is affluent public school district kids. Which is it? |
On what planet? MoCo is one of the most affluent school districts and 35% of the kids go to private schools. I’m sure that affluent Virginia and DC school districts are similar. This is not Oklahoma... |
Well, there are no stats for that but those complicated neuropsych exams are typically not covered by insurance and run $4000-$6000. If you are paying that —newsflash — you are affluent. Maybe you didn’t realize. |
This is true. Affluent parents want their kids to perform well at all times and they’re not going to wait for a kid to mature. Teachers are also a lot less tolerant of immature kids whether it’s normal or not - blame the teachers unions and their love of large class sizes. If it’s any consolation these wealthy kids are on meds for life and that’s not necessarily a great thing in many ways. |
This reads as "give everyone extra time, but make the test need extra time" (by giving everyone some accommodations and making the test more rigorous). That doesn't help kids with disabilities. If you take a 2 hour test and give my dyslexic child 3 hours to take it, my child will do ok. But if you instead give everyone 3 hours, and make it a 3 hour test, my child is again at a disadvantage due to his dyslexia. And are extra time and a calculator the only accommodations you want everyone to have access to? Is it time and a half, or double time? What about quiet rooms, a reader, a scribe? |
Clearly people do care, note this thread. The 20% at Pomona included students with mental health problems. Their interaction with the disability center could be as simple as a monthly check in to make sure everything's going ok, or a regular appointment at the mental health center. How terrible, hmm? |
Sorry, no, if you request accommodations you have to use those accommodations. You do not get to leave early. You get to sit there and wait. Just like kids do now if they get extra time. Before you take the test, you can decide if you want to sit there for 4 hours or 8 hours, but if you choose 8 hours and you leave early, your exam is invalidated. And you realize that now you've set up a system that will work just fine for smart kids who need some accommodations, but means average and below average kids with disabilities are now at a significant disadvantage. All because you want to make sure the super smart kid without a disability isn't disadvantaged by a super smart kid with a disability. (Which, seriously, try having a disability. It's not something someone would volunteer for just to get the perk of extra time.) |
And at affluent schools you're more likely to find redshirted kids. You're more likely to find kids who've been test prepped within an inch of their lives. You're more likely to find kids who have been supported and educated and prepared for everything to a high degree. But it's the kids with disabilities you're choosing to target. |
I'm waiting for evidence that the system is being abused. And then I'll ask for evidence that the abuse is significant enough to justify a change. And then I'll ask what OTHER systems being abused you're fighting against, or if it's just kids with disabilities who attract your attention. |
Now show me that 33% of white boys are getting accommodations on the SAT and ACT. Then you can try to say that shows a link between over diagnosis of ADHD and accommodations on those tests. |
Maybe you didn't realize that not everyone who qualifies for accommodations for the SAT and ACT has had to private pay for a neuropsych? Here you go: https://www.collegeboard.org/students-with-disabilities/iep-504-eligibility |
Well that's unnecessarily strict. What are you trying to test for? And a system where everyone gets all the time up to 8 hours, that creates a new disadvantage for kids with disabilities how? Their situation is exactly the same as before! Do you mean because *gasp* other kids will get more time? Does that mean you are pitting the kids against each other? Aha. Truth comes out. Shouldn't it be level playing field and it's each kid showing what he can do without a time constraint? |
That’s not how the world works. Everyone doesn’t get a trophy. We are not all equal in every way. Deal with it. |
Exactly. The problem with posters like the first one here is that many do not know what they are talking about. They get all worked up about something they think is shutting out the poor and just go full steam ahead. The truth is that many poor do have access to extra time. I think an earlier post included an article from the Chicago Tribune that talked about how the wealthy had more access admitted that in their research the found that, "At four schools with high poverty levels, 21 to 25 percent of the students got special assistance, but none scored at the national ACT average of 21, and many posted well below that." I have a friend who a special needs daughter, now a junior in high school. In elementary school there was clearly a problem, and she was able to get her a 504 without spending a dime. She did not need to hire anyone outside the school system, which gave her the accommodations and support. When it came time to apply for accommodations for the ACT, any documentation she supplied was strictly from the school and no psychologist outside of MCPS. She managed to secure extended time, use of a keyboard, mark booklet, and multi day testing. Yes, she may have had better supports in place in her public school if she had the advocacy of an outside psychologist, but her financial situation prevented her from doing so. She was, however, able to get the accommodations her daughter needed despite her lack of retaining an outside organization. I agree the wealthy will always have a leg up in getting their kids what they need and more, but that is the case with everything, whether it be tutoring, membership in a club sport, private school, private college counselors, connections, etc. And yes, there is a very small percentage who might scam the system, but I do not think it is as prevalent as people are stating on this thread. |
Keep telling yourself that the poor are just fine if it makes you feel better, ok? There’s a big difference between a kid with debilitating SN like autism or ID and a kid with a subtle disability. A kid who can function socially and participate normally in the classroom would be passed through school with good grades in a lower income school, whether he could read or not . He’s not going to be identified as dyslexic or ADHD with neuropsych testing and get special tutoring and accommodations all of his life and go on to college after high school like your kid. He’s going to graduate, feel that he’s stupid and he’ll be in some kind of service job (serving your privileged family ) for the rest of his life if he is lucky. Make sure that you ‘strongly believe’ that a McDonald’s job is only a ‘gateway job’ that doesn’t warrant a decent wage because he’s supposed to work his way up to something better, ok? Icing on the cake! |