Men in your 50s, do you find women in their 50s attractive?

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Anonymous wrote:All things being equal - regular exercise, good diet, no smoking - it's easier for a good looking 25 year old man to become a good looking 50 year old man as long as he continues with a healthy lifestyle. I think it's much tougher for a good looking 25 year old woman to become a good looking 50 year old woman - even with a continuous healthy lifestyle.

But there are plenty of exceptions. Gillian Anderson was and remains a beautiful woman. But what we see in Hollywood has never been reflective of what we see at the school pick up line. It's easier for 50 year old men who do the basic work - run, lift, eat well, avoid alcohol, do some yoga, get 8 hours of sleep, and dress reasonably well - to get second and third looks at the grocery store. While that remains true for some women, the luck of the genetic lottery factors much more prominently when it comes to who looks good going into their 50s.

So getting back to the original point, there are a lot of men that will find Gillian Anderson very attractive. But she's not typical for a woman in her 50s. It's much easier for a man to be a George Clooney or Daniel Craig in their 50s, then it is for a woman to be a Selma Hayek or Elizabeth Hurley in their 50s.

It’s not that men inherently “age better”. It’s that society, tv, movies, etc, has portrayed the aging man as still attractive.

Whereas, an aging actress gets replaced by a younger one more readily while the same age man is still a lead character.

Those magazines with “sexiest men” columns always have older men pictured. But the sexiest women ones are all young, bikini bodied women.

This has completely infiltrated the psyche of society.

I am a guy and I agree with you. I think it's not only unfair but ignorant to compare how men and women age. Men have a massive advantage, it's called testosterone. Even with low T men into late 50s early 60s have an advantage when they work out eat healthy etc. Women on the other hand as they loose estrogen their body, voice, skin, etc go through changes some of which are quite profound. But that's because we are comparing them to their younger versions.

This is so delusional it’s sad. People keep mentioning George Clooney and Brad Pitt. But have you seen pictures of them lately? Brad Pitt has had so much work done. It’s insane. He looks like a washed up Vegas act.

Go look at recent photos from this weekend of George Clooney and Amal. Then scroll through the comments. Comment after comment of oh my gosh George Clooney has gotten so old. What a shame he was so good looking he’s gotten so old.

These men have insane genetics that 99.9% of men don’t have, and all the money in the world to do whatever they can to maintain their looks. Granted they are 60, but the average 50 year-old looks like an average 50 year old man and the average 50 year old is not getting women in their 20s or even their early to mid 30s. Most men in their 50s are with… Women in their 50s! Or possibly 40s. Just look at the data. Don’t take my word for it. Or you could step out into the real world and look around. Most people are dating people around their age.

Men do not have some sort of secret anti-aging power: if they did this poor 45 year old tech billionaire wouldn’t be spending billions measuring his nighttime erections. And trying to reverse it to where he’s 18 again: https://fortune.com/well/2023/01/26/bryan-johnson-extreme-anti-aging/

Uh the PP was actually defending older women. He was saying that part of the reasons sometimes men "may" age better could have to do with testosterone.

A 55 years old man can just go the gym have a descent diet and be able to keep a healthy weight. For a similar woman it's different. It's much harder for example for women to keep the weight off just by dieting and going to the gym and it's not her fault, she has her biology making it harder.

I don’t know. I see a lot of men in their 50s with dad bods. It might be easier, but it’s clearly not easy.

I eat really well and exercise regularly so have stayed the same weight in my 40s and feel like my body is even better since I quit drinking 10 years ago and I do think alcohol ages both sexes.

That's because they are lazy. If they tried they can achieve the same results in 1/2 the time and effort a woman of similar age would need. You are an outlier to be honest. Loosing weight and keeping a healthy weight is much harder to achieve for a woman. As women loose estrogen it affects fat distribution but you know that already.

A healthy weight for a 50-something woman is not thin. There’s an evolutionary reason our bodies hold onto weight as we get older. A frail and undernourished older woman is not healthy.

Thin does not mean frail and undernourished, even post menopause.

Activitly dieting post 50 to keep a BMI in the “thin” range generally means being too thin. Obesity is obviously unhealthy but a BMI around 26-27 is likely the healthiest. Anyone who has ever seen a 70 year old woman with an eating disorder knows what I mean. Exercise is far more crucial to health as you age than being “thin.”

Evidence please, you are just spouting nonsense.

LOL you seriously think if you don’t have some extra weight to lose in your 70s that cancer won’t take you down quick? Or even a serious virus? You need “sources” because you have no common sense.

DP. That's your excuse for not losing weight? In case you get cancer? Wow.

DP. No, it’s the reason no sensible 50+ woman diets to be “thin.” Prevent obesity sure. But to get to BMI 20? Nope.

What is hard to lose is the extra abdominal fat that signifies or leads to other health issues.

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Anonymous wrote:All things being equal - regular exercise, good diet, no smoking - it's easier for a good looking 25 year old man to become a good looking 50 year old man as long as he continues with a healthy lifestyle. I think it's much tougher for a good looking 25 year old woman to become a good looking 50 year old woman - even with a continuous healthy lifestyle.

But there are plenty of exceptions. Gillian Anderson was and remains a beautiful woman. But what we see in Hollywood has never been reflective of what we see at the school pick up line. It's easier for 50 year old men who do the basic work - run, lift, eat well, avoid alcohol, do some yoga, get 8 hours of sleep, and dress reasonably well - to get second and third looks at the grocery store. While that remains true for some women, the luck of the genetic lottery factors much more prominently when it comes to who looks good going into their 50s.

So getting back to the original point, there are a lot of men that will find Gillian Anderson very attractive. But she's not typical for a woman in her 50s. It's much easier for a man to be a George Clooney or Daniel Craig in their 50s, then it is for a woman to be a Selma Hayek or Elizabeth Hurley in their 50s.

It’s not that men inherently “age better”. It’s that society, tv, movies, etc, has portrayed the aging man as still attractive.

Whereas, an aging actress gets replaced by a younger one more readily while the same age man is still a lead character.

Those magazines with “sexiest men” columns always have older men pictured. But the sexiest women ones are all young, bikini bodied women.

This has completely infiltrated the psyche of society.

I am a guy and I agree with you. I think it's not only unfair but ignorant to compare how men and women age. Men have a massive advantage, it's called testosterone. Even with low T men into late 50s early 60s have an advantage when they work out eat healthy etc. Women on the other hand as they loose estrogen their body, voice, skin, etc go through changes some of which are quite profound. But that's because we are comparing them to their younger versions.

This is so delusional it’s sad. People keep mentioning George Clooney and Brad Pitt. But have you seen pictures of them lately? Brad Pitt has had so much work done. It’s insane. He looks like a washed up Vegas act.

Go look at recent photos from this weekend of George Clooney and Amal. Then scroll through the comments. Comment after comment of oh my gosh George Clooney has gotten so old. What a shame he was so good looking he’s gotten so old.

These men have insane genetics that 99.9% of men don’t have, and all the money in the world to do whatever they can to maintain their looks. Granted they are 60, but the average 50 year-old looks like an average 50 year old man and the average 50 year old is not getting women in their 20s or even their early to mid 30s. Most men in their 50s are with… Women in their 50s! Or possibly 40s. Just look at the data. Don’t take my word for it. Or you could step out into the real world and look around. Most people are dating people around their age.

Men do not have some sort of secret anti-aging power: if they did this poor 45 year old tech billionaire wouldn’t be spending billions measuring his nighttime erections. And trying to reverse it to where he’s 18 again: https://fortune.com/well/2023/01/26/bryan-johnson-extreme-anti-aging/

Uh the PP was actually defending older women. He was saying that part of the reasons sometimes men "may" age better could have to do with testosterone.

A 55 years old man can just go the gym have a descent diet and be able to keep a healthy weight. For a similar woman it's different. It's much harder for example for women to keep the weight off just by dieting and going to the gym and it's not her fault, she has her biology making it harder.

I don’t know. I see a lot of men in their 50s with dad bods. It might be easier, but it’s clearly not easy.

I eat really well and exercise regularly so have stayed the same weight in my 40s and feel like my body is even better since I quit drinking 10 years ago and I do think alcohol ages both sexes.

That's because they are lazy. If they tried they can achieve the same results in 1/2 the time and effort a woman of similar age would need. You are an outlier to be honest. Loosing weight and keeping a healthy weight is much harder to achieve for a woman. As women loose estrogen it affects fat distribution but you know that already.

A healthy weight for a 50-something woman is not thin. There’s an evolutionary reason our bodies hold onto weight as we get older. A frail and undernourished older woman is not healthy.

Thin does not mean frail and undernourished, even post menopause.

Activitly dieting post 50 to keep a BMI in the “thin” range generally means being too thin. Obesity is obviously unhealthy but a BMI around 26-27 is likely the healthiest. Anyone who has ever seen a 70 year old woman with an eating disorder knows what I mean. Exercise is far more crucial to health as you age than being “thin.”

Evidence please, you are just spouting nonsense.

LOL you seriously think if you don’t have some extra weight to lose in your 70s that cancer won’t take you down quick? Or even a serious virus? You need “sources” because you have no common sense.

DP. That's your excuse for not losing weight? In case you get cancer? Wow.

What’s totally hilarious is you assume because I’m arguing with you I must need to lose weight. You know literally nothing about me. But my climbing partner has a very low bmi in his seventies. Fit and vegan he ends up hospitalized with any major illness. He has no weight at all to lose. None. It’s NOT ideal. You can either deal with it or continue to assert your pathetic position.

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Anonymous wrote:All things being equal - regular exercise, good diet, no smoking - it's easier for a good looking 25 year old man to become a good looking 50 year old man as long as he continues with a healthy lifestyle. I think it's much tougher for a good looking 25 year old woman to become a good looking 50 year old woman - even with a continuous healthy lifestyle.

But there are plenty of exceptions. Gillian Anderson was and remains a beautiful woman. But what we see in Hollywood has never been reflective of what we see at the school pick up line. It's easier for 50 year old men who do the basic work - run, lift, eat well, avoid alcohol, do some yoga, get 8 hours of sleep, and dress reasonably well - to get second and third looks at the grocery store. While that remains true for some women, the luck of the genetic lottery factors much more prominently when it comes to who looks good going into their 50s.

So getting back to the original point, there are a lot of men that will find Gillian Anderson very attractive. But she's not typical for a woman in her 50s. It's much easier for a man to be a George Clooney or Daniel Craig in their 50s, then it is for a woman to be a Selma Hayek or Elizabeth Hurley in their 50s.

It’s not that men inherently “age better”. It’s that society, tv, movies, etc, has portrayed the aging man as still attractive.

Whereas, an aging actress gets replaced by a younger one more readily while the same age man is still a lead character.

Those magazines with “sexiest men” columns always have older men pictured. But the sexiest women ones are all young, bikini bodied women.

This has completely infiltrated the psyche of society.

I am a guy and I agree with you. I think it's not only unfair but ignorant to compare how men and women age. Men have a massive advantage, it's called testosterone. Even with low T men into late 50s early 60s have an advantage when they work out eat healthy etc. Women on the other hand as they loose estrogen their body, voice, skin, etc go through changes some of which are quite profound. But that's because we are comparing them to their younger versions.

This is so delusional it’s sad. People keep mentioning George Clooney and Brad Pitt. But have you seen pictures of them lately? Brad Pitt has had so much work done. It’s insane. He looks like a washed up Vegas act.

Go look at recent photos from this weekend of George Clooney and Amal. Then scroll through the comments. Comment after comment of oh my gosh George Clooney has gotten so old. What a shame he was so good looking he’s gotten so old.

These men have insane genetics that 99.9% of men don’t have, and all the money in the world to do whatever they can to maintain their looks. Granted they are 60, but the average 50 year-old looks like an average 50 year old man and the average 50 year old is not getting women in their 20s or even their early to mid 30s. Most men in their 50s are with… Women in their 50s! Or possibly 40s. Just look at the data. Don’t take my word for it. Or you could step out into the real world and look around. Most people are dating people around their age.

Men do not have some sort of secret anti-aging power: if they did this poor 45 year old tech billionaire wouldn’t be spending billions measuring his nighttime erections. And trying to reverse it to where he’s 18 again: https://fortune.com/well/2023/01/26/bryan-johnson-extreme-anti-aging/

Uh the PP was actually defending older women. He was saying that part of the reasons sometimes men "may" age better could have to do with testosterone.

A 55 years old man can just go the gym have a descent diet and be able to keep a healthy weight. For a similar woman it's different. It's much harder for example for women to keep the weight off just by dieting and going to the gym and it's not her fault, she has her biology making it harder.

I don’t know. I see a lot of men in their 50s with dad bods. It might be easier, but it’s clearly not easy.

I eat really well and exercise regularly so have stayed the same weight in my 40s and feel like my body is even better since I quit drinking 10 years ago and I do think alcohol ages both sexes.

That's because they are lazy. If they tried they can achieve the same results in 1/2 the time and effort a woman of similar age would need. You are an outlier to be honest. Loosing weight and keeping a healthy weight is much harder to achieve for a woman. As women loose estrogen it affects fat distribution but you know that already.

A healthy weight for a 50-something woman is not thin. There’s an evolutionary reason our bodies hold onto weight as we get older. A frail and undernourished older woman is not healthy.

Thin does not mean frail and undernourished, even post menopause.

Activitly dieting post 50 to keep a BMI in the “thin” range generally means being too thin. Obesity is obviously unhealthy but a BMI around 26-27 is likely the healthiest. Anyone who has ever seen a 70 year old woman with an eating disorder knows what I mean. Exercise is far more crucial to health as you age than being “thin.”

Evidence please, you are just spouting nonsense.

LOL you seriously think if you don’t have some extra weight to lose in your 70s that cancer won’t take you down quick? Or even a serious virus? You need “sources” because you have no common sense.

DP. That's your excuse for not losing weight? In case you get cancer? Wow.

DP. No, it’s the reason no sensible 50+ woman diets to be “thin.” Prevent obesity sure. But to get to BMI 20? Nope.

What is hard to lose is the extra abdominal fat that signifies or leads to other health issues.

please refer back to all the citations for a higher BMI being healthier. By all means eat well and exercise, but its normal and possibly protective to gain weight as we age.

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Anonymous wrote:All things being equal - regular exercise, good diet, no smoking - it's easier for a good looking 25 year old man to become a good looking 50 year old man as long as he continues with a healthy lifestyle. I think it's much tougher for a good looking 25 year old woman to become a good looking 50 year old woman - even with a continuous healthy lifestyle.

But there are plenty of exceptions. Gillian Anderson was and remains a beautiful woman. But what we see in Hollywood has never been reflective of what we see at the school pick up line. It's easier for 50 year old men who do the basic work - run, lift, eat well, avoid alcohol, do some yoga, get 8 hours of sleep, and dress reasonably well - to get second and third looks at the grocery store. While that remains true for some women, the luck of the genetic lottery factors much more prominently when it comes to who looks good going into their 50s.

So getting back to the original point, there are a lot of men that will find Gillian Anderson very attractive. But she's not typical for a woman in her 50s. It's much easier for a man to be a George Clooney or Daniel Craig in their 50s, then it is for a woman to be a Selma Hayek or Elizabeth Hurley in their 50s.

It’s not that men inherently “age better”. It’s that society, tv, movies, etc, has portrayed the aging man as still attractive.

Whereas, an aging actress gets replaced by a younger one more readily while the same age man is still a lead character.

Those magazines with “sexiest men” columns always have older men pictured. But the sexiest women ones are all young, bikini bodied women.

This has completely infiltrated the psyche of society.

I am a guy and I agree with you. I think it's not only unfair but ignorant to compare how men and women age. Men have a massive advantage, it's called testosterone. Even with low T men into late 50s early 60s have an advantage when they work out eat healthy etc. Women on the other hand as they loose estrogen their body, voice, skin, etc go through changes some of which are quite profound. But that's because we are comparing them to their younger versions.

This is so delusional it’s sad. People keep mentioning George Clooney and Brad Pitt. But have you seen pictures of them lately? Brad Pitt has had so much work done. It’s insane. He looks like a washed up Vegas act.

Go look at recent photos from this weekend of George Clooney and Amal. Then scroll through the comments. Comment after comment of oh my gosh George Clooney has gotten so old. What a shame he was so good looking he’s gotten so old.

These men have insane genetics that 99.9% of men don’t have, and all the money in the world to do whatever they can to maintain their looks. Granted they are 60, but the average 50 year-old looks like an average 50 year old man and the average 50 year old is not getting women in their 20s or even their early to mid 30s. Most men in their 50s are with… Women in their 50s! Or possibly 40s. Just look at the data. Don’t take my word for it. Or you could step out into the real world and look around. Most people are dating people around their age.

Men do not have some sort of secret anti-aging power: if they did this poor 45 year old tech billionaire wouldn’t be spending billions measuring his nighttime erections. And trying to reverse it to where he’s 18 again: https://fortune.com/well/2023/01/26/bryan-johnson-extreme-anti-aging/

Uh the PP was actually defending older women. He was saying that part of the reasons sometimes men "may" age better could have to do with testosterone.

A 55 years old man can just go the gym have a descent diet and be able to keep a healthy weight. For a similar woman it's different. It's much harder for example for women to keep the weight off just by dieting and going to the gym and it's not her fault, she has her biology making it harder.

I don’t know. I see a lot of men in their 50s with dad bods. It might be easier, but it’s clearly not easy.

I eat really well and exercise regularly so have stayed the same weight in my 40s and feel like my body is even better since I quit drinking 10 years ago and I do think alcohol ages both sexes.

That's because they are lazy. If they tried they can achieve the same results in 1/2 the time and effort a woman of similar age would need. You are an outlier to be honest. Loosing weight and keeping a healthy weight is much harder to achieve for a woman. As women loose estrogen it affects fat distribution but you know that already.

A healthy weight for a 50-something woman is not thin. There’s an evolutionary reason our bodies hold onto weight as we get older. A frail and undernourished older woman is not healthy.

Thin does not mean frail and undernourished, even post menopause.

Activitly dieting post 50 to keep a BMI in the “thin” range generally means being too thin. Obesity is obviously unhealthy but a BMI around 26-27 is likely the healthiest. Anyone who has ever seen a 70 year old woman with an eating disorder knows what I mean. Exercise is far more crucial to health as you age than being “thin.”

Evidence please, you are just spouting nonsense.

knock yourself out: https://www.e-agmr.org/upload/pdf/agmr-22-0012.pdf

These are geriatric people not middle aged.

here’s a more specific age breakout. for women in their 50s it’s up to 27 bmi: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4681110/

And the optimal range starts at 22 and the acceptable range starts at 21.

You are working very hard to say something the data does not show.

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Anonymous wrote:All things being equal - regular exercise, good diet, no smoking - it's easier for a good looking 25 year old man to become a good looking 50 year old man as long as he continues with a healthy lifestyle. I think it's much tougher for a good looking 25 year old woman to become a good looking 50 year old woman - even with a continuous healthy lifestyle.

But there are plenty of exceptions. Gillian Anderson was and remains a beautiful woman. But what we see in Hollywood has never been reflective of what we see at the school pick up line. It's easier for 50 year old men who do the basic work - run, lift, eat well, avoid alcohol, do some yoga, get 8 hours of sleep, and dress reasonably well - to get second and third looks at the grocery store. While that remains true for some women, the luck of the genetic lottery factors much more prominently when it comes to who looks good going into their 50s.

So getting back to the original point, there are a lot of men that will find Gillian Anderson very attractive. But she's not typical for a woman in her 50s. It's much easier for a man to be a George Clooney or Daniel Craig in their 50s, then it is for a woman to be a Selma Hayek or Elizabeth Hurley in their 50s.

It’s not that men inherently “age better”. It’s that society, tv, movies, etc, has portrayed the aging man as still attractive.

Whereas, an aging actress gets replaced by a younger one more readily while the same age man is still a lead character.

Those magazines with “sexiest men” columns always have older men pictured. But the sexiest women ones are all young, bikini bodied women.

This has completely infiltrated the psyche of society.

I am a guy and I agree with you. I think it's not only unfair but ignorant to compare how men and women age. Men have a massive advantage, it's called testosterone. Even with low T men into late 50s early 60s have an advantage when they work out eat healthy etc. Women on the other hand as they loose estrogen their body, voice, skin, etc go through changes some of which are quite profound. But that's because we are comparing them to their younger versions.

This is so delusional it’s sad. People keep mentioning George Clooney and Brad Pitt. But have you seen pictures of them lately? Brad Pitt has had so much work done. It’s insane. He looks like a washed up Vegas act.

Go look at recent photos from this weekend of George Clooney and Amal. Then scroll through the comments. Comment after comment of oh my gosh George Clooney has gotten so old. What a shame he was so good looking he’s gotten so old.

These men have insane genetics that 99.9% of men don’t have, and all the money in the world to do whatever they can to maintain their looks. Granted they are 60, but the average 50 year-old looks like an average 50 year old man and the average 50 year old is not getting women in their 20s or even their early to mid 30s. Most men in their 50s are with… Women in their 50s! Or possibly 40s. Just look at the data. Don’t take my word for it. Or you could step out into the real world and look around. Most people are dating people around their age.

Men do not have some sort of secret anti-aging power: if they did this poor 45 year old tech billionaire wouldn’t be spending billions measuring his nighttime erections. And trying to reverse it to where he’s 18 again: https://fortune.com/well/2023/01/26/bryan-johnson-extreme-anti-aging/

Uh the PP was actually defending older women. He was saying that part of the reasons sometimes men "may" age better could have to do with testosterone.

A 55 years old man can just go the gym have a descent diet and be able to keep a healthy weight. For a similar woman it's different. It's much harder for example for women to keep the weight off just by dieting and going to the gym and it's not her fault, she has her biology making it harder.

I don’t know. I see a lot of men in their 50s with dad bods. It might be easier, but it’s clearly not easy.

I eat really well and exercise regularly so have stayed the same weight in my 40s and feel like my body is even better since I quit drinking 10 years ago and I do think alcohol ages both sexes.

That's because they are lazy. If they tried they can achieve the same results in 1/2 the time and effort a woman of similar age would need. You are an outlier to be honest. Loosing weight and keeping a healthy weight is much harder to achieve for a woman. As women loose estrogen it affects fat distribution but you know that already.

A healthy weight for a 50-something woman is not thin. There’s an evolutionary reason our bodies hold onto weight as we get older. A frail and undernourished older woman is not healthy.

Thin does not mean frail and undernourished, even post menopause.

Activitly dieting post 50 to keep a BMI in the “thin” range generally means being too thin. Obesity is obviously unhealthy but a BMI around 26-27 is likely the healthiest. Anyone who has ever seen a 70 year old woman with an eating disorder knows what I mean. Exercise is far more crucial to health as you age than being “thin.”

Evidence please, you are just spouting nonsense.

LOL you seriously think if you don’t have some extra weight to lose in your 70s that cancer won’t take you down quick? Or even a serious virus? You need “sources” because you have no common sense.

DP. That's your excuse for not losing weight? In case you get cancer? Wow.

DP. No, it’s the reason no sensible 50+ woman diets to be “thin.” Prevent obesity sure. But to get to BMI 20? Nope.

What is hard to lose is the extra abdominal fat that signifies or leads to other health issues.

please refer back to all the citations for a higher BMI being healthier. By all means eat well and exercise, but its normal and possibly protective to gain weight as we age.

Yes, but to point:

https://www.columbiadoctors.org/news/can-menopausal-women-sleep-belly-fat-away

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Anonymous wrote:All things being equal - regular exercise, good diet, no smoking - it's easier for a good looking 25 year old man to become a good looking 50 year old man as long as he continues with a healthy lifestyle. I think it's much tougher for a good looking 25 year old woman to become a good looking 50 year old woman - even with a continuous healthy lifestyle.

But there are plenty of exceptions. Gillian Anderson was and remains a beautiful woman. But what we see in Hollywood has never been reflective of what we see at the school pick up line. It's easier for 50 year old men who do the basic work - run, lift, eat well, avoid alcohol, do some yoga, get 8 hours of sleep, and dress reasonably well - to get second and third looks at the grocery store. While that remains true for some women, the luck of the genetic lottery factors much more prominently when it comes to who looks good going into their 50s.

So getting back to the original point, there are a lot of men that will find Gillian Anderson very attractive. But she's not typical for a woman in her 50s. It's much easier for a man to be a George Clooney or Daniel Craig in their 50s, then it is for a woman to be a Selma Hayek or Elizabeth Hurley in their 50s.

It’s not that men inherently “age better”. It’s that society, tv, movies, etc, has portrayed the aging man as still attractive.

Whereas, an aging actress gets replaced by a younger one more readily while the same age man is still a lead character.

Those magazines with “sexiest men” columns always have older men pictured. But the sexiest women ones are all young, bikini bodied women.

This has completely infiltrated the psyche of society.

I am a guy and I agree with you. I think it's not only unfair but ignorant to compare how men and women age. Men have a massive advantage, it's called testosterone. Even with low T men into late 50s early 60s have an advantage when they work out eat healthy etc. Women on the other hand as they loose estrogen their body, voice, skin, etc go through changes some of which are quite profound. But that's because we are comparing them to their younger versions.

This is so delusional it’s sad. People keep mentioning George Clooney and Brad Pitt. But have you seen pictures of them lately? Brad Pitt has had so much work done. It’s insane. He looks like a washed up Vegas act.

Go look at recent photos from this weekend of George Clooney and Amal. Then scroll through the comments. Comment after comment of oh my gosh George Clooney has gotten so old. What a shame he was so good looking he’s gotten so old.

These men have insane genetics that 99.9% of men don’t have, and all the money in the world to do whatever they can to maintain their looks. Granted they are 60, but the average 50 year-old looks like an average 50 year old man and the average 50 year old is not getting women in their 20s or even their early to mid 30s. Most men in their 50s are with… Women in their 50s! Or possibly 40s. Just look at the data. Don’t take my word for it. Or you could step out into the real world and look around. Most people are dating people around their age.

Men do not have some sort of secret anti-aging power: if they did this poor 45 year old tech billionaire wouldn’t be spending billions measuring his nighttime erections. And trying to reverse it to where he’s 18 again: https://fortune.com/well/2023/01/26/bryan-johnson-extreme-anti-aging/

Uh the PP was actually defending older women. He was saying that part of the reasons sometimes men "may" age better could have to do with testosterone.

A 55 years old man can just go the gym have a descent diet and be able to keep a healthy weight. For a similar woman it's different. It's much harder for example for women to keep the weight off just by dieting and going to the gym and it's not her fault, she has her biology making it harder.

I don’t know. I see a lot of men in their 50s with dad bods. It might be easier, but it’s clearly not easy.

I eat really well and exercise regularly so have stayed the same weight in my 40s and feel like my body is even better since I quit drinking 10 years ago and I do think alcohol ages both sexes.

That's because they are lazy. If they tried they can achieve the same results in 1/2 the time and effort a woman of similar age would need. You are an outlier to be honest. Loosing weight and keeping a healthy weight is much harder to achieve for a woman. As women loose estrogen it affects fat distribution but you know that already.

A healthy weight for a 50-something woman is not thin. There’s an evolutionary reason our bodies hold onto weight as we get older. A frail and undernourished older woman is not healthy.

Thin does not mean frail and undernourished, even post menopause.

Activitly dieting post 50 to keep a BMI in the “thin” range generally means being too thin. Obesity is obviously unhealthy but a BMI around 26-27 is likely the healthiest. Anyone who has ever seen a 70 year old woman with an eating disorder knows what I mean. Exercise is far more crucial to health as you age than being “thin.”

Evidence please, you are just spouting nonsense.

LOL you seriously think if you don’t have some extra weight to lose in your 70s that cancer won’t take you down quick? Or even a serious virus? You need “sources” because you have no common sense.

DP. That's your excuse for not losing weight? In case you get cancer? Wow.

What’s totally hilarious is you assume because I’m arguing with you I must need to lose weight. You know literally nothing about me. But my climbing partner has a very low bmi in his seventies. Fit and vegan he ends up hospitalized with any major illness. He has no weight at all to lose. None. It’s NOT ideal. You can either deal with it or continue to assert your pathetic position.

There you go, talking about the 70s again.

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Yes I do. Especially if they have aged graciously and naturally.

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I don’t think this line of thinking is the flex men think it is. What is the end game for men if this is the case?

Let’s take George Clooney and Brad Pitt, who consistently get mentioned in this forum as wealthy, famous, beyond good looking men who have their choice of young women. Brad Pitt no doubt dated a bevy of young fertile beauties in his prime but decided to settle down in his 40s and have children. Interestingly, he didn’t pick a 25 year old. He picked a mid 30s divorced woman with two kids. Even though Brad Pitt probably has more options the average DCUM poster in his 40s, he opted for this common scenario instead.

He and Angelina adopted a child together and had three biological children. Brad hit early 50 and it’s all revealed to be a sham, he’s been a drunk and a drug addict for decades, he’s abusive, and he is now in year 8 of a bitter, expensive divorce, and all of his children are estranged. The older ones want nothing to do with him, and he has court mandated visitation with the younger ones who all opted to legally change their name. But it’s all worth it because he’s in his 60s and he’s dating a 34-year-old am-I-right fellas? Truly living the dream.

George Clooney fared a little bit better. He decided to wait until almost 50 to settle down and start a family. Curiously he didn’t opt for the 25-year-old fertile beauty either, he went for a woman in her late 30s who needed IVF to get pregnant. It’s almost as if he wasn’t just looking at fertility and beauty, but also wanted an intellectual who had some life experience. Strange indeed.

What’s even more interesting as she is now 46 and he’s still with her! Amazing.

Look, my husband will be 50 at the end of this year. He is in great shape. But of course, sometimes I fantasize about my favorite actor who is now mid 40s but in my fantasy he is in the roles he played from 30-36.

And of course I would love to have a few hours to be transported back in time with my husband and his 24-year-old self - and to that time in our life when we couldn’t keep hands off each other and could lay around in bed all weekend.

It’s not just men who opine for those days. But human needs are complex and while I’m thankful for those memories I love that we have a 20 plus year history and kids. And I’m really glad that he’s not in his late 60s now and I got to know him in his 20s. I do not think it is the ideal for most women to find their life partners when they’re in their 20s and the men are in their 40s and 50s. I want to grow old with my husband, I don’t want him to watch him get old by himself.

Getting older sucks in some ways and is great in others. The only alternative is death. Youth is attractive but fleeting and there are no exceptions.

Truth.

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Anonymous wrote:All things being equal - regular exercise, good diet, no smoking - it's easier for a good looking 25 year old man to become a good looking 50 year old man as long as he continues with a healthy lifestyle. I think it's much tougher for a good looking 25 year old woman to become a good looking 50 year old woman - even with a continuous healthy lifestyle.

But there are plenty of exceptions. Gillian Anderson was and remains a beautiful woman. But what we see in Hollywood has never been reflective of what we see at the school pick up line. It's easier for 50 year old men who do the basic work - run, lift, eat well, avoid alcohol, do some yoga, get 8 hours of sleep, and dress reasonably well - to get second and third looks at the grocery store. While that remains true for some women, the luck of the genetic lottery factors much more prominently when it comes to who looks good going into their 50s.

So getting back to the original point, there are a lot of men that will find Gillian Anderson very attractive. But she's not typical for a woman in her 50s. It's much easier for a man to be a George Clooney or Daniel Craig in their 50s, then it is for a woman to be a Selma Hayek or Elizabeth Hurley in their 50s.

It’s not that men inherently “age better”. It’s that society, tv, movies, etc, has portrayed the aging man as still attractive.

Whereas, an aging actress gets replaced by a younger one more readily while the same age man is still a lead character.

Those magazines with “sexiest men” columns always have older men pictured. But the sexiest women ones are all young, bikini bodied women.

This has completely infiltrated the psyche of society.

I am a guy and I agree with you. I think it's not only unfair but ignorant to compare how men and women age. Men have a massive advantage, it's called testosterone. Even with low T men into late 50s early 60s have an advantage when they work out eat healthy etc. Women on the other hand as they loose estrogen their body, voice, skin, etc go through changes some of which are quite profound. But that's because we are comparing them to their younger versions.

This is so delusional it’s sad. People keep mentioning George Clooney and Brad Pitt. But have you seen pictures of them lately? Brad Pitt has had so much work done. It’s insane. He looks like a washed up Vegas act.

Go look at recent photos from this weekend of George Clooney and Amal. Then scroll through the comments. Comment after comment of oh my gosh George Clooney has gotten so old. What a shame he was so good looking he’s gotten so old.

These men have insane genetics that 99.9% of men don’t have, and all the money in the world to do whatever they can to maintain their looks. Granted they are 60, but the average 50 year-old looks like an average 50 year old man and the average 50 year old is not getting women in their 20s or even their early to mid 30s. Most men in their 50s are with… Women in their 50s! Or possibly 40s. Just look at the data. Don’t take my word for it. Or you could step out into the real world and look around. Most people are dating people around their age.

Men do not have some sort of secret anti-aging power: if they did this poor 45 year old tech billionaire wouldn’t be spending billions measuring his nighttime erections. And trying to reverse it to where he’s 18 again: https://fortune.com/well/2023/01/26/bryan-johnson-extreme-anti-aging/

Uh the PP was actually defending older women. He was saying that part of the reasons sometimes men "may" age better could have to do with testosterone.

A 55 years old man can just go the gym have a descent diet and be able to keep a healthy weight. For a similar woman it's different. It's much harder for example for women to keep the weight off just by dieting and going to the gym and it's not her fault, she has her biology making it harder.

I don’t know. I see a lot of men in their 50s with dad bods. It might be easier, but it’s clearly not easy.

I eat really well and exercise regularly so have stayed the same weight in my 40s and feel like my body is even better since I quit drinking 10 years ago and I do think alcohol ages both sexes.

That's because they are lazy. If they tried they can achieve the same results in 1/2 the time and effort a woman of similar age would need. You are an outlier to be honest. Loosing weight and keeping a healthy weight is much harder to achieve for a woman. As women loose estrogen it affects fat distribution but you know that already.

A healthy weight for a 50-something woman is not thin. There’s an evolutionary reason our bodies hold onto weight as we get older. A frail and undernourished older woman is not healthy.

Thin does not mean frail and undernourished, even post menopause.

Activitly dieting post 50 to keep a BMI in the “thin” range generally means being too thin. Obesity is obviously unhealthy but a BMI around 26-27 is likely the healthiest. Anyone who has ever seen a 70 year old woman with an eating disorder knows what I mean. Exercise is far more crucial to health as you age than being “thin.”

Evidence please, you are just spouting nonsense.

LOL you seriously think if you don’t have some extra weight to lose in your 70s that cancer won’t take you down quick? Or even a serious virus? You need “sources” because you have no common sense.

DP. That's your excuse for not losing weight? In case you get cancer? Wow.

What’s totally hilarious is you assume because I’m arguing with you I must need to lose weight. You know literally nothing about me. But my climbing partner has a very low bmi in his seventies. Fit and vegan he ends up hospitalized with any major illness. He has no weight at all to lose. None. It’s NOT ideal. You can either deal with it or continue to assert your pathetic position.

There you go, talking about the 70s again.

Well, if you’re lucky you will one day be that age.

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Anonymous wrote:All things being equal - regular exercise, good diet, no smoking - it's easier for a good looking 25 year old man to become a good looking 50 year old man as long as he continues with a healthy lifestyle. I think it's much tougher for a good looking 25 year old woman to become a good looking 50 year old woman - even with a continuous healthy lifestyle.

But there are plenty of exceptions. Gillian Anderson was and remains a beautiful woman. But what we see in Hollywood has never been reflective of what we see at the school pick up line. It's easier for 50 year old men who do the basic work - run, lift, eat well, avoid alcohol, do some yoga, get 8 hours of sleep, and dress reasonably well - to get second and third looks at the grocery store. While that remains true for some women, the luck of the genetic lottery factors much more prominently when it comes to who looks good going into their 50s.

So getting back to the original point, there are a lot of men that will find Gillian Anderson very attractive. But she's not typical for a woman in her 50s. It's much easier for a man to be a George Clooney or Daniel Craig in their 50s, then it is for a woman to be a Selma Hayek or Elizabeth Hurley in their 50s.

It’s not that men inherently “age better”. It’s that society, tv, movies, etc, has portrayed the aging man as still attractive.

Whereas, an aging actress gets replaced by a younger one more readily while the same age man is still a lead character.

Those magazines with “sexiest men” columns always have older men pictured. But the sexiest women ones are all young, bikini bodied women.

This has completely infiltrated the psyche of society.

I am a guy and I agree with you. I think it's not only unfair but ignorant to compare how men and women age. Men have a massive advantage, it's called testosterone. Even with low T men into late 50s early 60s have an advantage when they work out eat healthy etc. Women on the other hand as they loose estrogen their body, voice, skin, etc go through changes some of which are quite profound. But that's because we are comparing them to their younger versions.

This is so delusional it’s sad. People keep mentioning George Clooney and Brad Pitt. But have you seen pictures of them lately? Brad Pitt has had so much work done. It’s insane. He looks like a washed up Vegas act.

Go look at recent photos from this weekend of George Clooney and Amal. Then scroll through the comments. Comment after comment of oh my gosh George Clooney has gotten so old. What a shame he was so good looking he’s gotten so old.

These men have insane genetics that 99.9% of men don’t have, and all the money in the world to do whatever they can to maintain their looks. Granted they are 60, but the average 50 year-old looks like an average 50 year old man and the average 50 year old is not getting women in their 20s or even their early to mid 30s. Most men in their 50s are with… Women in their 50s! Or possibly 40s. Just look at the data. Don’t take my word for it. Or you could step out into the real world and look around. Most people are dating people around their age.

Men do not have some sort of secret anti-aging power: if they did this poor 45 year old tech billionaire wouldn’t be spending billions measuring his nighttime erections. And trying to reverse it to where he’s 18 again: https://fortune.com/well/2023/01/26/bryan-johnson-extreme-anti-aging/

Uh the PP was actually defending older women. He was saying that part of the reasons sometimes men "may" age better could have to do with testosterone.

A 55 years old man can just go the gym have a descent diet and be able to keep a healthy weight. For a similar woman it's different. It's much harder for example for women to keep the weight off just by dieting and going to the gym and it's not her fault, she has her biology making it harder.

I don’t know. I see a lot of men in their 50s with dad bods. It might be easier, but it’s clearly not easy.

I eat really well and exercise regularly so have stayed the same weight in my 40s and feel like my body is even better since I quit drinking 10 years ago and I do think alcohol ages both sexes.

That's because they are lazy. If they tried they can achieve the same results in 1/2 the time and effort a woman of similar age would need. You are an outlier to be honest. Loosing weight and keeping a healthy weight is much harder to achieve for a woman. As women loose estrogen it affects fat distribution but you know that already.

A healthy weight for a 50-something woman is not thin. There’s an evolutionary reason our bodies hold onto weight as we get older. A frail and undernourished older woman is not healthy.

Thin does not mean frail and undernourished, even post menopause.

Activitly dieting post 50 to keep a BMI in the “thin” range generally means being too thin. Obesity is obviously unhealthy but a BMI around 26-27 is likely the healthiest. Anyone who has ever seen a 70 year old woman with an eating disorder knows what I mean. Exercise is far more crucial to health as you age than being “thin.”

Evidence please, you are just spouting nonsense.

LOL you seriously think if you don’t have some extra weight to lose in your 70s that cancer won’t take you down quick? Or even a serious virus? You need “sources” because you have no common sense.

DP. That's your excuse for not losing weight? In case you get cancer? Wow.

What’s totally hilarious is you assume because I’m arguing with you I must need to lose weight. You know literally nothing about me. But my climbing partner has a very low bmi in his seventies. Fit and vegan he ends up hospitalized with any major illness. He has no weight at all to lose. None. It’s NOT ideal. You can either deal with it or continue to assert your pathetic position.

There you go, talking about the 70s again.

Well, if you’re lucky you will one day be that age.

Yes I hope so too! I will revisit your advice 2 decades from now. But seeing as this is your response, I hope you can finally understand that all your advice does not apply to 50.

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Anonymous wrote:All things being equal - regular exercise, good diet, no smoking - it's easier for a good looking 25 year old man to become a good looking 50 year old man as long as he continues with a healthy lifestyle. I think it's much tougher for a good looking 25 year old woman to become a good looking 50 year old woman - even with a continuous healthy lifestyle.

But there are plenty of exceptions. Gillian Anderson was and remains a beautiful woman. But what we see in Hollywood has never been reflective of what we see at the school pick up line. It's easier for 50 year old men who do the basic work - run, lift, eat well, avoid alcohol, do some yoga, get 8 hours of sleep, and dress reasonably well - to get second and third looks at the grocery store. While that remains true for some women, the luck of the genetic lottery factors much more prominently when it comes to who looks good going into their 50s.

So getting back to the original point, there are a lot of men that will find Gillian Anderson very attractive. But she's not typical for a woman in her 50s. It's much easier for a man to be a George Clooney or Daniel Craig in their 50s, then it is for a woman to be a Selma Hayek or Elizabeth Hurley in their 50s.

It’s not that men inherently “age better”. It’s that society, tv, movies, etc, has portrayed the aging man as still attractive.

Whereas, an aging actress gets replaced by a younger one more readily while the same age man is still a lead character.

Those magazines with “sexiest men” columns always have older men pictured. But the sexiest women ones are all young, bikini bodied women.

This has completely infiltrated the psyche of society.

I am a guy and I agree with you. I think it's not only unfair but ignorant to compare how men and women age. Men have a massive advantage, it's called testosterone. Even with low T men into late 50s early 60s have an advantage when they work out eat healthy etc. Women on the other hand as they loose estrogen their body, voice, skin, etc go through changes some of which are quite profound. But that's because we are comparing them to their younger versions.

This is so delusional it’s sad. People keep mentioning George Clooney and Brad Pitt. But have you seen pictures of them lately? Brad Pitt has had so much work done. It’s insane. He looks like a washed up Vegas act.

Go look at recent photos from this weekend of George Clooney and Amal. Then scroll through the comments. Comment after comment of oh my gosh George Clooney has gotten so old. What a shame he was so good looking he’s gotten so old.

These men have insane genetics that 99.9% of men don’t have, and all the money in the world to do whatever they can to maintain their looks. Granted they are 60, but the average 50 year-old looks like an average 50 year old man and the average 50 year old is not getting women in their 20s or even their early to mid 30s. Most men in their 50s are with… Women in their 50s! Or possibly 40s. Just look at the data. Don’t take my word for it. Or you could step out into the real world and look around. Most people are dating people around their age.

Men do not have some sort of secret anti-aging power: if they did this poor 45 year old tech billionaire wouldn’t be spending billions measuring his nighttime erections. And trying to reverse it to where he’s 18 again: https://fortune.com/well/2023/01/26/bryan-johnson-extreme-anti-aging/

Uh the PP was actually defending older women. He was saying that part of the reasons sometimes men "may" age better could have to do with testosterone.

A 55 years old man can just go the gym have a descent diet and be able to keep a healthy weight. For a similar woman it's different. It's much harder for example for women to keep the weight off just by dieting and going to the gym and it's not her fault, she has her biology making it harder.

I don’t know. I see a lot of men in their 50s with dad bods. It might be easier, but it’s clearly not easy.

I eat really well and exercise regularly so have stayed the same weight in my 40s and feel like my body is even better since I quit drinking 10 years ago and I do think alcohol ages both sexes.

That's because they are lazy. If they tried they can achieve the same results in 1/2 the time and effort a woman of similar age would need. You are an outlier to be honest. Loosing weight and keeping a healthy weight is much harder to achieve for a woman. As women loose estrogen it affects fat distribution but you know that already.

A healthy weight for a 50-something woman is not thin. There’s an evolutionary reason our bodies hold onto weight as we get older. A frail and undernourished older woman is not healthy.

Thin does not mean frail and undernourished, even post menopause.

Activitly dieting post 50 to keep a BMI in the “thin” range generally means being too thin. Obesity is obviously unhealthy but a BMI around 26-27 is likely the healthiest. Anyone who has ever seen a 70 year old woman with an eating disorder knows what I mean. Exercise is far more crucial to health as you age than being “thin.”

Evidence please, you are just spouting nonsense.

knock yourself out: https://www.e-agmr.org/upload/pdf/agmr-22-0012.pdf

These are geriatric people not middle aged.

The median age in this study was 77, with a 7-year range. That poster is talking about a different time in life than the people in this thread.

And both studies were done among Koreans only.

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Anonymous wrote:All things being equal - regular exercise, good diet, no smoking - it's easier for a good looking 25 year old man to become a good looking 50 year old man as long as he continues with a healthy lifestyle. I think it's much tougher for a good looking 25 year old woman to become a good looking 50 year old woman - even with a continuous healthy lifestyle.

But there are plenty of exceptions. Gillian Anderson was and remains a beautiful woman. But what we see in Hollywood has never been reflective of what we see at the school pick up line. It's easier for 50 year old men who do the basic work - run, lift, eat well, avoid alcohol, do some yoga, get 8 hours of sleep, and dress reasonably well - to get second and third looks at the grocery store. While that remains true for some women, the luck of the genetic lottery factors much more prominently when it comes to who looks good going into their 50s.

So getting back to the original point, there are a lot of men that will find Gillian Anderson very attractive. But she's not typical for a woman in her 50s. It's much easier for a man to be a George Clooney or Daniel Craig in their 50s, then it is for a woman to be a Selma Hayek or Elizabeth Hurley in their 50s.

It’s not that men inherently “age better”. It’s that society, tv, movies, etc, has portrayed the aging man as still attractive.

Whereas, an aging actress gets replaced by a younger one more readily while the same age man is still a lead character.

Those magazines with “sexiest men” columns always have older men pictured. But the sexiest women ones are all young, bikini bodied women.

This has completely infiltrated the psyche of society.

I am a guy and I agree with you. I think it's not only unfair but ignorant to compare how men and women age. Men have a massive advantage, it's called testosterone. Even with low T men into late 50s early 60s have an advantage when they work out eat healthy etc. Women on the other hand as they loose estrogen their body, voice, skin, etc go through changes some of which are quite profound. But that's because we are comparing them to their younger versions.

This is so delusional it’s sad. People keep mentioning George Clooney and Brad Pitt. But have you seen pictures of them lately? Brad Pitt has had so much work done. It’s insane. He looks like a washed up Vegas act.

Go look at recent photos from this weekend of George Clooney and Amal. Then scroll through the comments. Comment after comment of oh my gosh George Clooney has gotten so old. What a shame he was so good looking he’s gotten so old.

These men have insane genetics that 99.9% of men don’t have, and all the money in the world to do whatever they can to maintain their looks. Granted they are 60, but the average 50 year-old looks like an average 50 year old man and the average 50 year old is not getting women in their 20s or even their early to mid 30s. Most men in their 50s are with… Women in their 50s! Or possibly 40s. Just look at the data. Don’t take my word for it. Or you could step out into the real world and look around. Most people are dating people around their age.

Men do not have some sort of secret anti-aging power: if they did this poor 45 year old tech billionaire wouldn’t be spending billions measuring his nighttime erections. And trying to reverse it to where he’s 18 again: https://fortune.com/well/2023/01/26/bryan-johnson-extreme-anti-aging/

Uh the PP was actually defending older women. He was saying that part of the reasons sometimes men "may" age better could have to do with testosterone.

A 55 years old man can just go the gym have a descent diet and be able to keep a healthy weight. For a similar woman it's different. It's much harder for example for women to keep the weight off just by dieting and going to the gym and it's not her fault, she has her biology making it harder.

I don’t know. I see a lot of men in their 50s with dad bods. It might be easier, but it’s clearly not easy.

I eat really well and exercise regularly so have stayed the same weight in my 40s and feel like my body is even better since I quit drinking 10 years ago and I do think alcohol ages both sexes.

That's because they are lazy. If they tried they can achieve the same results in 1/2 the time and effort a woman of similar age would need. You are an outlier to be honest. Loosing weight and keeping a healthy weight is much harder to achieve for a woman. As women loose estrogen it affects fat distribution but you know that already.

A healthy weight for a 50-something woman is not thin. There’s an evolutionary reason our bodies hold onto weight as we get older. A frail and undernourished older woman is not healthy.

Thin does not mean frail and undernourished, even post menopause.

Activitly dieting post 50 to keep a BMI in the “thin” range generally means being too thin. Obesity is obviously unhealthy but a BMI around 26-27 is likely the healthiest. Anyone who has ever seen a 70 year old woman with an eating disorder knows what I mean. Exercise is far more crucial to health as you age than being “thin.”

Evidence please, you are just spouting nonsense.

knock yourself out: https://www.e-agmr.org/upload/pdf/agmr-22-0012.pdf

These are geriatric people not middle aged.

here’s a more specific age breakout. for women in their 50s it’s up to 27 bmi: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4681110/

And the optimal range starts at 22 and the acceptable range starts at 21.

You are working very hard to say something the data does not show.

the data shows 27 is in the optimal range for women in their 50s …

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Anonymous wrote:All things being equal - regular exercise, good diet, no smoking - it's easier for a good looking 25 year old man to become a good looking 50 year old man as long as he continues with a healthy lifestyle. I think it's much tougher for a good looking 25 year old woman to become a good looking 50 year old woman - even with a continuous healthy lifestyle.

But there are plenty of exceptions. Gillian Anderson was and remains a beautiful woman. But what we see in Hollywood has never been reflective of what we see at the school pick up line. It's easier for 50 year old men who do the basic work - run, lift, eat well, avoid alcohol, do some yoga, get 8 hours of sleep, and dress reasonably well - to get second and third looks at the grocery store. While that remains true for some women, the luck of the genetic lottery factors much more prominently when it comes to who looks good going into their 50s.

So getting back to the original point, there are a lot of men that will find Gillian Anderson very attractive. But she's not typical for a woman in her 50s. It's much easier for a man to be a George Clooney or Daniel Craig in their 50s, then it is for a woman to be a Selma Hayek or Elizabeth Hurley in their 50s.

It’s not that men inherently “age better”. It’s that society, tv, movies, etc, has portrayed the aging man as still attractive.

Whereas, an aging actress gets replaced by a younger one more readily while the same age man is still a lead character.

Those magazines with “sexiest men” columns always have older men pictured. But the sexiest women ones are all young, bikini bodied women.

This has completely infiltrated the psyche of society.

I am a guy and I agree with you. I think it's not only unfair but ignorant to compare how men and women age. Men have a massive advantage, it's called testosterone. Even with low T men into late 50s early 60s have an advantage when they work out eat healthy etc. Women on the other hand as they loose estrogen their body, voice, skin, etc go through changes some of which are quite profound. But that's because we are comparing them to their younger versions.

This is so delusional it’s sad. People keep mentioning George Clooney and Brad Pitt. But have you seen pictures of them lately? Brad Pitt has had so much work done. It’s insane. He looks like a washed up Vegas act.

Go look at recent photos from this weekend of George Clooney and Amal. Then scroll through the comments. Comment after comment of oh my gosh George Clooney has gotten so old. What a shame he was so good looking he’s gotten so old.

These men have insane genetics that 99.9% of men don’t have, and all the money in the world to do whatever they can to maintain their looks. Granted they are 60, but the average 50 year-old looks like an average 50 year old man and the average 50 year old is not getting women in their 20s or even their early to mid 30s. Most men in their 50s are with… Women in their 50s! Or possibly 40s. Just look at the data. Don’t take my word for it. Or you could step out into the real world and look around. Most people are dating people around their age.

Men do not have some sort of secret anti-aging power: if they did this poor 45 year old tech billionaire wouldn’t be spending billions measuring his nighttime erections. And trying to reverse it to where he’s 18 again: https://fortune.com/well/2023/01/26/bryan-johnson-extreme-anti-aging/

Uh the PP was actually defending older women. He was saying that part of the reasons sometimes men "may" age better could have to do with testosterone.

A 55 years old man can just go the gym have a descent diet and be able to keep a healthy weight. For a similar woman it's different. It's much harder for example for women to keep the weight off just by dieting and going to the gym and it's not her fault, she has her biology making it harder.

I don’t know. I see a lot of men in their 50s with dad bods. It might be easier, but it’s clearly not easy.

I eat really well and exercise regularly so have stayed the same weight in my 40s and feel like my body is even better since I quit drinking 10 years ago and I do think alcohol ages both sexes.

That's because they are lazy. If they tried they can achieve the same results in 1/2 the time and effort a woman of similar age would need. You are an outlier to be honest. Loosing weight and keeping a healthy weight is much harder to achieve for a woman. As women loose estrogen it affects fat distribution but you know that already.

A healthy weight for a 50-something woman is not thin. There’s an evolutionary reason our bodies hold onto weight as we get older. A frail and undernourished older woman is not healthy.

Thin does not mean frail and undernourished, even post menopause.

Activitly dieting post 50 to keep a BMI in the “thin” range generally means being too thin. Obesity is obviously unhealthy but a BMI around 26-27 is likely the healthiest. Anyone who has ever seen a 70 year old woman with an eating disorder knows what I mean. Exercise is far more crucial to health as you age than being “thin.”

Evidence please, you are just spouting nonsense.

knock yourself out: https://www.e-agmr.org/upload/pdf/agmr-22-0012.pdf

These are geriatric people not middle aged.

The median age in this study was 77, with a 7-year range. That poster is talking about a different time in life than the people in this thread.

And both studies were done among Koreans only.

And Koreans tend to have smaller frames than Americans anyway so the fact that 27 BMI is within the optimal range for 50-something Korean women is likely true for American women.

All y’all wanting 50 year old women to look like skeletons are dumb on many levels.

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Anonymous wrote:All things being equal - regular exercise, good diet, no smoking - it's easier for a good looking 25 year old man to become a good looking 50 year old man as long as he continues with a healthy lifestyle. I think it's much tougher for a good looking 25 year old woman to become a good looking 50 year old woman - even with a continuous healthy lifestyle.

But there are plenty of exceptions. Gillian Anderson was and remains a beautiful woman. But what we see in Hollywood has never been reflective of what we see at the school pick up line. It's easier for 50 year old men who do the basic work - run, lift, eat well, avoid alcohol, do some yoga, get 8 hours of sleep, and dress reasonably well - to get second and third looks at the grocery store. While that remains true for some women, the luck of the genetic lottery factors much more prominently when it comes to who looks good going into their 50s.

So getting back to the original point, there are a lot of men that will find Gillian Anderson very attractive. But she's not typical for a woman in her 50s. It's much easier for a man to be a George Clooney or Daniel Craig in their 50s, then it is for a woman to be a Selma Hayek or Elizabeth Hurley in their 50s.

It’s not that men inherently “age better”. It’s that society, tv, movies, etc, has portrayed the aging man as still attractive.

Whereas, an aging actress gets replaced by a younger one more readily while the same age man is still a lead character.

Those magazines with “sexiest men” columns always have older men pictured. But the sexiest women ones are all young, bikini bodied women.

This has completely infiltrated the psyche of society.

I am a guy and I agree with you. I think it's not only unfair but ignorant to compare how men and women age. Men have a massive advantage, it's called testosterone. Even with low T men into late 50s early 60s have an advantage when they work out eat healthy etc. Women on the other hand as they loose estrogen their body, voice, skin, etc go through changes some of which are quite profound. But that's because we are comparing them to their younger versions.

This is so delusional it’s sad. People keep mentioning George Clooney and Brad Pitt. But have you seen pictures of them lately? Brad Pitt has had so much work done. It’s insane. He looks like a washed up Vegas act.

Go look at recent photos from this weekend of George Clooney and Amal. Then scroll through the comments. Comment after comment of oh my gosh George Clooney has gotten so old. What a shame he was so good looking he’s gotten so old.

These men have insane genetics that 99.9% of men don’t have, and all the money in the world to do whatever they can to maintain their looks. Granted they are 60, but the average 50 year-old looks like an average 50 year old man and the average 50 year old is not getting women in their 20s or even their early to mid 30s. Most men in their 50s are with… Women in their 50s! Or possibly 40s. Just look at the data. Don’t take my word for it. Or you could step out into the real world and look around. Most people are dating people around their age.

Men do not have some sort of secret anti-aging power: if they did this poor 45 year old tech billionaire wouldn’t be spending billions measuring his nighttime erections. And trying to reverse it to where he’s 18 again: https://fortune.com/well/2023/01/26/bryan-johnson-extreme-anti-aging/

Uh the PP was actually defending older women. He was saying that part of the reasons sometimes men "may" age better could have to do with testosterone.

A 55 years old man can just go the gym have a descent diet and be able to keep a healthy weight. For a similar woman it's different. It's much harder for example for women to keep the weight off just by dieting and going to the gym and it's not her fault, she has her biology making it harder.

I don’t know. I see a lot of men in their 50s with dad bods. It might be easier, but it’s clearly not easy.

I eat really well and exercise regularly so have stayed the same weight in my 40s and feel like my body is even better since I quit drinking 10 years ago and I do think alcohol ages both sexes.

That's because they are lazy. If they tried they can achieve the same results in 1/2 the time and effort a woman of similar age would need. You are an outlier to be honest. Loosing weight and keeping a healthy weight is much harder to achieve for a woman. As women loose estrogen it affects fat distribution but you know that already.

A healthy weight for a 50-something woman is not thin. There’s an evolutionary reason our bodies hold onto weight as we get older. A frail and undernourished older woman is not healthy.

Thin does not mean frail and undernourished, even post menopause.

Activitly dieting post 50 to keep a BMI in the “thin” range generally means being too thin. Obesity is obviously unhealthy but a BMI around 26-27 is likely the healthiest. Anyone who has ever seen a 70 year old woman with an eating disorder knows what I mean. Exercise is far more crucial to health as you age than being “thin.”

Evidence please, you are just spouting nonsense.

knock yourself out: https://www.e-agmr.org/upload/pdf/agmr-22-0012.pdf

These are geriatric people not middle aged.

here’s a more specific age breakout. for women in their 50s it’s up to 27 bmi: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4681110/

And the optimal range starts at 22 and the acceptable range starts at 21.

You are working very hard to say something the data does not show.

the data shows 27 is in the optimal range for women in their 50s …

I don’t know. I run and weight lift on a regular basis, and I am 51. I haven’t had my period in 2 years. I have an active sex life and imagination despite menopause. I was with my 36 yr old “friend” last night and he said that I have very little body fat, and that I am so sexy. He is a weightlifter. I have been an athlete my whole life, and it pays to stay active as part of your lifestyle.

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Anonymous wrote:All things being equal - regular exercise, good diet, no smoking - it's easier for a good looking 25 year old man to become a good looking 50 year old man as long as he continues with a healthy lifestyle. I think it's much tougher for a good looking 25 year old woman to become a good looking 50 year old woman - even with a continuous healthy lifestyle.

But there are plenty of exceptions. Gillian Anderson was and remains a beautiful woman. But what we see in Hollywood has never been reflective of what we see at the school pick up line. It's easier for 50 year old men who do the basic work - run, lift, eat well, avoid alcohol, do some yoga, get 8 hours of sleep, and dress reasonably well - to get second and third looks at the grocery store. While that remains true for some women, the luck of the genetic lottery factors much more prominently when it comes to who looks good going into their 50s.

So getting back to the original point, there are a lot of men that will find Gillian Anderson very attractive. But she's not typical for a woman in her 50s. It's much easier for a man to be a George Clooney or Daniel Craig in their 50s, then it is for a woman to be a Selma Hayek or Elizabeth Hurley in their 50s.

It’s not that men inherently “age better”. It’s that society, tv, movies, etc, has portrayed the aging man as still attractive.

Whereas, an aging actress gets replaced by a younger one more readily while the same age man is still a lead character.

Those magazines with “sexiest men” columns always have older men pictured. But the sexiest women ones are all young, bikini bodied women.

This has completely infiltrated the psyche of society.

I am a guy and I agree with you. I think it's not only unfair but ignorant to compare how men and women age. Men have a massive advantage, it's called testosterone. Even with low T men into late 50s early 60s have an advantage when they work out eat healthy etc. Women on the other hand as they loose estrogen their body, voice, skin, etc go through changes some of which are quite profound. But that's because we are comparing them to their younger versions.

This is so delusional it’s sad. People keep mentioning George Clooney and Brad Pitt. But have you seen pictures of them lately? Brad Pitt has had so much work done. It’s insane. He looks like a washed up Vegas act.

Go look at recent photos from this weekend of George Clooney and Amal. Then scroll through the comments. Comment after comment of oh my gosh George Clooney has gotten so old. What a shame he was so good looking he’s gotten so old.

These men have insane genetics that 99.9% of men don’t have, and all the money in the world to do whatever they can to maintain their looks. Granted they are 60, but the average 50 year-old looks like an average 50 year old man and the average 50 year old is not getting women in their 20s or even their early to mid 30s. Most men in their 50s are with… Women in their 50s! Or possibly 40s. Just look at the data. Don’t take my word for it. Or you could step out into the real world and look around. Most people are dating people around their age.

Men do not have some sort of secret anti-aging power: if they did this poor 45 year old tech billionaire wouldn’t be spending billions measuring his nighttime erections. And trying to reverse it to where he’s 18 again: https://fortune.com/well/2023/01/26/bryan-johnson-extreme-anti-aging/

Uh the PP was actually defending older women. He was saying that part of the reasons sometimes men "may" age better could have to do with testosterone.

A 55 years old man can just go the gym have a descent diet and be able to keep a healthy weight. For a similar woman it's different. It's much harder for example for women to keep the weight off just by dieting and going to the gym and it's not her fault, she has her biology making it harder.

I don’t know. I see a lot of men in their 50s with dad bods. It might be easier, but it’s clearly not easy.

I eat really well and exercise regularly so have stayed the same weight in my 40s and feel like my body is even better since I quit drinking 10 years ago and I do think alcohol ages both sexes.

That's because they are lazy. If they tried they can achieve the same results in 1/2 the time and effort a woman of similar age would need. You are an outlier to be honest. Loosing weight and keeping a healthy weight is much harder to achieve for a woman. As women loose estrogen it affects fat distribution but you know that already.

A healthy weight for a 50-something woman is not thin. There’s an evolutionary reason our bodies hold onto weight as we get older. A frail and undernourished older woman is not healthy.

Thin does not mean frail and undernourished, even post menopause.

Activitly dieting post 50 to keep a BMI in the “thin” range generally means being too thin. Obesity is obviously unhealthy but a BMI around 26-27 is likely the healthiest. Anyone who has ever seen a 70 year old woman with an eating disorder knows what I mean. Exercise is far more crucial to health as you age than being “thin.”

Evidence please, you are just spouting nonsense.

knock yourself out: https://www.e-agmr.org/upload/pdf/agmr-22-0012.pdf

These are geriatric people not middle aged.

The median age in this study was 77, with a 7-year range. That poster is talking about a different time in life than the people in this thread.

And both studies were done among Koreans only.

And Koreans tend to have smaller frames than Americans anyway so the fact that 27 BMI is within the optimal range for 50-something Korean women is likely true for American women.

All y’all wanting 50 year old women to look like skeletons are dumb on many levels.

You are the only one talking about skeletons. I guess you gave up on frail and undernourished.