Amy Robach and TJ Holmes relationship
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Anonymous
| ^^Pardon me….there are 40+ pages. |
Anonymous
NP. I prefer every man to be less arrogant and clean. Your post is the one seeping of racism. You claim to know what a collective group of people of people want from black men. How stupid and arrogant. You later say you don’t care how TJ treated his wife and child because racism affects you more. Guess what? According to you, racism doesn’t affect me. So using your own logic, I don’t care about your “dog whistles.” I suspect you are the perpetual victim. |
Anonymous
Nah, not at all. I just know what racist dog whistles are. I am fully aware that racism doesn’t affect you, and that you don’t care. I care, so I will call you out. Many of you care about a random affair. That’s your preference. |
Anonymous
NP all together here. Let’s be clear. A PP referred to the replacement as less pompous more clean cut than TJ. We are not referring to his cheating at all, let’s be clear. Pompous can be subjective. Clean-cut less so and is often used a a dog whistle to refer to black men as un-groomed or dirty. Clean-cut: appearance of neatness. I am the poster that first posted the handsome pics of the replacement. He is a handsome fella. As is TJ. Okay, both those statements are subjective to the eye of the beholder. But, nobody can say TJ was not clean-cut. By saying so, it says more about the poster than TJ. Yes, TJ is a horrible cheater and his behavior is reprehensible regardless of the race of his wife. Amy is also a horrible cheater and her behavior is also reprehensible. Amy is clean-cut. TJ is clean-cut. Demarco is clean-cut. Get it? |
Anonymous
| Maybe the pp meant that the new host was less showy and flashy, down to earth, not arrogant, instead of TJ who is the opposite. My goodness, stay on track about this mess and please stop saying dog whistle, enough already. Stop giving what you feel is intent to the pp, you are there only one that feels that way. |
Anonymous
Exactly. Thank you. |
Anonymous
I've never heard that the description clean cut was racist. At all. |
Anonymous
| Nobody misses them, so ABC can sack them both and nobody will care. ABC is probably far more worried about all the potential lawsuits because of TJ's predatory conduct. Didn't O'Reilly get Fox News successfully sued for eye-popping sums and he didn't even sleep with the women? I want to say one woman was awarded like 30 million bucks for verbal sexual harassment! |
Anonymous
Just two people that have to find racism in everything. Ironically, life is easier that way. Better to create scapegoats. Seems exhausting to look for “dog whistles” everywhere. |
Anonymous
This is probably still off track, but I'm going to chime in. I'm a white person for what it's worth, and I had been in the category of "what the hell with the racism points". But then I started to back into each point. Clean-cut being the issue, I guess? So then the idea is that clean-cut can't be a racist descriptor, but if you keep backing into it, what makes clean-cut objectively not racist? By whose standards is "clean cut?" What is the opposite of "clean cut?" Obviously it's not Black or White, but I'm going to say it's rather descriptors that tend to be attributed to White men and are what are very likely what people are thinking is the "objectively clean cut" default. I think that's what the issue is. If you are honest with yourself - like, I mean really honest with yourself - what came to mind when you thought "clean cut?" I'm not in PP's head, but I'm guessing that's some of the point. And to add to all of that - why does a new anchor need to be "clean cut", i.e. have attributes that are traditionally attributed to white men, to be successful on a morning tv show? For mass appeal, right? And now you're starting to see why that comment, however unintentional it may have been, could be considered racist. Or I'm totally wrong. But it's where my reflection on it went. |
Anonymous
The collective amnesia and selective memory of the American body politic on the subject of race never ceases to amaze me: "I mean, you've got the first sort of mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a story-book, man." Let me guess? It's the "-cut" that changes everything. So, "clean," you'll concede might hypothetically be problematic in some distant, faraway land, many, many, many moons ago. But "clean-cut," that's a world of difference, and how dare anyone say otherwise. https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna16911044 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxCvTb1KRNA |
Anonymous
I say this with without snark. Just because you haven’t heard about it before doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. There are so very many micro aggressions that white folks will never be privy to and that’s great to you that you don’t have to walk through life being aware of them. It’s really great for your kids. The key part of being an ally means to just listen. When black folk tell you something is offensive, believe them. Don’t question it with, “well I’ve never heard it before from any of my black friends, so it must not be true.” Even if you don’t want to be an intentional ally, you never know when your kid might bring home a black spouse with black family members. Or you may have a black boss one day. We are giving you solid advice. 1. Don’t refer to black people as clean or clean cut. Even when comparing them to another black person. 2. Don’t say a black person speaks well. Or that they’re really smart (with a surprising delivery) 3. Don’t say things like “she’s really pretty for having darker skin.” The sad reality is that black men and women still suffer from so many microaggressions and dog whistle racist acts and words. Research Jezebel and Mandingo archetypes. Add that to actual bad behavior like policing and schooling while black, it’s no wonder black have heart disease at disproportionate rates. If you can make the journey easier for folks by not using words that can have hidden meaning and inferences, let’s try not. I will leave you with this commercial that puts things in perspective. The hope is that one can be outraged by seeing a black man as being looked at as dirty and unclean miraculously turning into a clean cut Asian man that is now desirable. https://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/watch-racist-laundry-detergent-ad-shows-african-american-m-article-1.2651036 |
Anonymous
PP here. Yes, I'm a white female. I've worked in school systems with many Black teachers, coaches, and admonistrators. I have two family members who have Black husbands i get that "speaks well" and "clean" sound demeaning. "Clean cut" doesn't mean "clean." |
Anonymous
Ok, this is the hill you want to die on. Please, Ms I have black friends, continue to tell your son’s black basketball coach that he’s “so clean-cut”. And while we are at it, since you’re the clean-cut expert, please tell me what about TJ makes him clean-cut. Clean-cut: the appearance of neatness. 
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Anonymous
| *what makes him not clean-cut |