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ECNL moving to school year not calendar
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Anonymous
That is a fact and the best way to say it. But as parents we can still advocate that a system that favors half the year substantially more than the other half should be addressed in some way. |
Anonymous
Did you think that before your kid wouldn't be on the favorable end of the range? |
Anonymous
Well, college recruiting under school year will be tougher for Q1 and Q2 players but life isn't always perfectly even. |
Anonymous
College soccer, like HS soccer and pro-soccer is not “age cutoff” sensitive, nor pulling from an age based pool outside of incoming freshman. The transfer portal also makes teams messy for “birth month” based thinking. |
Anonymous
Again just more advantages for the BY Q1/2s. No system is perfect but BY in America is substantially lop sided on the girls side. |
Anonymous
No they haven’t. 😂 you made that up. |
Anonymous
It was lopsided before BY too, it was just Q3/4. The age cutoff is just a water balloon - if you push down on one side the other side expands. The change in cutoff won’t solve lopsidedness. It solves the post hoc trap complaint - which ironically isn’t a measuabke issue, but purely contextual and subjective…but because some people that sit at the right tables says it’s truly awful, it must be so. Your logic is like PP. BY doesn’t allows kids to “play down” because of different school grades. It’s a 12 month window of age - school grade has nothing to do with it. Same is true with SY, because it doesn’t reflect grade year, but just a random date for the school entrance age cutoff. Ironically the school cutoff that all this debate is based around has gone through the exact same debate since the mid 70s when about half the country was BY and have was Aug cutoff. The thinking was IQs were lower for December kids (when tested at the same time) so we needed to make the class age average older. What was the result? The new youngest of the cohort has the lower IQs…but what we discovered was it didn’t matter in the long run, only in the early years. So they just left it where it was. Basically badly measured tests created the existing age cutoff for school, and we’ve been to lazy to do anything different because in the long run it doesn’t matter. |
Anonymous
Ok now at least I understand this insane logic. Recruiters aren't watching u19 teams for talent. Also if a u19 wanted to get noticed they'd be playing WPSL not ECNL. |
Anonymous
Not true if the birth month distribution is skewed. |
Anonymous
Have you done absolutely zero research on this subject or are you purposely ignoring every shred of evidence on this subject?? Any 12 month window works just fine and school grade has nothing to do with anything?? Maybe the most ignorant statement on this thread thus far. Unfortunately the NCAA disagrees with you and they very much care about minor things like which grade students are in. They aren't flexible on that at all. We'll probably want to be a bit more intentional about how we create our cohorts because it impacts the 25,000 kids that go to play soccer in college each year. Trapped player impact isn't measurable? Only if you don't know how to use a calculator, lol. Ofcourse it's measurable. We have a very easy A/B test. Prior to 2017, and after. Here's a number for you, 30%. That's the percentage of Q3/Q4 kids that play soccer at a high level. Some common sense would tell you being trapped a grade below all your peers would have some slightly negative impacts to a player, but if that's difficult to grasp then forget the math. You have water balloon clown analogies and random studies to back up your desire to keep things as is. BY is dead, give it up. |
Anonymous
It's the same old argument. Don't pay attention to youth development. Sure BY disadvantages trapped players a bit but by the time they are 30 years old there is no trapped effect at all, so it shouldn't matter. Its so silly its laughable. BY parents want their edge and they'll make any silly argument to keep it. BY is inconvenient to change is their best talking point. Let's rip the bandaid, plug SY back in and go home. This back and forth is silly. |
Anonymous
Youth soccer, including ECNL as a coalition, is standing up to the bully that US Soccer is. US Soccer brings virtually nothing to the table for kids but wants their lunch money. |
Anonymous
What's silly is making a change but not fixing the underlying problems. SY fixes some issues by but creates all sorts of new problems, not even counting the disruption the change will cause. We need to build a better system, not just switch to a different group of disadvantaged kids and trapped players (yes fewer BUT still an issue). Instead, folks here just like to rail against BY and start eying how awesome their teams will be once the younger BY kids get placed on a grade-based team. |
Anonymous
| DD went through BY change and was (is this year too) trapped. Dumbest move in sports history. Why have 8th graders doing nothing while 1/2 their team play HS? Why we watching 1/2 the team graduate and play a year of NCAA while we play with 1/2 a team of new players? There will be old and young players at both BY or SY, but only one (BY) traps players. Insanity then and insanity now. Only BY maxis on this thread want their very like great team to remain and not blow it up like we all went through. I'm sorry it'll happen, but for the future of the kids in this county, please Lord go to SY! |
Anonymous
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The only real question is whether MLSNext also switches. The non-MLS clubs participating in MLSNext are concerned if the birth date does not switch then kids with August - December birthdays switch to ECNL as they will do better there. That leaves the bulk of a team with January - July birthdays of course, but you are dropping 20-30 percent of a team and not being able to replace them.
If MLSNext also switches it changes who the best kids are on a team, but it keeps the league competitive with the ECNL. You still will be saying MLSNext is the top boys league. Without making the change - you won’t be doing that. A large percentage of the best guys will be ECNL. |