ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'd like some advice. High level...should I consider a bad ECNL team (bottom 25%) or GA or ECRL for my daughter. She's an incredible player, 12 years old. Could make any team but we can't drive 2 hours one way for the best teams and we aren't moving for soccer. Need insight from those in this world please.

I would go where you have a good coach..and opportunities to play / practice with older ages or boys. I don’t see the point of being on the best team. Go where can develop the most. (If you think you need to switch for exposure at some point down the road..easy to do that)..but I get calls from coaches all the time trying to recruit..so clearly she has exposure.

[Anonymous]

Just saying this concept of “teams have been playing together for years” isn’t true. How many of NVA’s U17 team players have bene together for years. NVA not a great example since they are a recent merger. Just like FFX Union..are those teams “established”? Player turnover will continue to happen at all teams and in all clubs with or with BY change. Its not a reason to say no SY for older teams since they are “intact”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Except the whole reason to remove trapped players is for recruiting in the high school sophomore and junior years. Also not many teams in this area are established and have been playing together for years. Almost all ECNL teams have decent turnover every tryout period.

So you're saying that teams aren't "established" in NVA and therfore they replace players every year via tryouts.

And these are the team recruiters will be looking to recruit players from?

Sounds to me like SY vs BY doesn't really matter.

It only doesn’t matter if trapped 8th graders not having a team to practice or play games with for 3/4 months and the U19 age group running into large roster issues doesn’t bother you. Along with the weird recruiting issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What would ECNL do if GA chooses to stay BY but with the same biobanding rules as MLS Next?

Writing would be on the wall where NWSL Next will happen.

My point being that there's many different possible outcomes if leagues choose to define their own eligibility windows.

What about this one? There's a very good chance that leagues let their olders age out as BY + only implement SY for youngers. Nobody is considering this.

lol, you nailed. NOBODY is considering this. Because there is no way treat ECNL age groups differently. You'll end up with overlap and chaos for what reason? To satisfy BY parents. Its over guys, they SY victory lap is imminent.

No, it keeps teams together that have been playing with each other for multiple years.

Also thers a good chance that u14 and up trapped players won't want to play down even if given the option.

You don't know this yet because you're a ulittle parent.

Hate to break it to you but most HS trapped players don’t want to continue to play up and get screwed out of their prime recruiting years because they are misaligned from the rest of their team and held hostage by NCAA rules. Maybe in your q1-2 mindset they want to stay on established teams or maybe they just aren’t telling you what they think you don’t want to hear.

Nobody who wants to play in college wants to sign up to be the junior playing on a team of seniors. Playing ‘up’ vs on time really isn’t a badge of honor by the time they are in HS…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What would ECNL do if GA chooses to stay BY but with the same biobanding rules as MLS Next?

Writing would be on the wall where NWSL Next will happen.

My point being that there's many different possible outcomes if leagues choose to define their own eligibility windows.

What about this one? There's a very good chance that leagues let their olders age out as BY + only implement SY for youngers. Nobody is considering this.

lol, you nailed. NOBODY is considering this. Because there is no way treat ECNL age groups differently. You'll end up with overlap and chaos for what reason? To satisfy BY parents. Its over guys, they SY victory lap is imminent.

No, it keeps teams together that have been playing with each other for multiple years.

Also thers a good chance that u14 and up trapped players won't want to play down even if given the option.

You don't know this yet because you're a ulittle parent.

Hate to break it to you but most HS trapped players don’t want to continue to play up and get screwed out of their prime recruiting years because they are misaligned from the rest of their team and held hostage by NCAA rules. Maybe in your q1-2 mindset they want to stay on established teams or maybe they just aren’t telling you what they think you don’t want to hear.

Nobody who wants to play in college wants to sign up to be the junior playing on a team of seniors. Playing ‘up’ vs on time really isn’t a badge of honor by the time they are in HS…

Sigh...

Top players will get recruited if they live on the moon. It doesn't matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What would ECNL do if GA chooses to stay BY but with the same biobanding rules as MLS Next?

Writing would be on the wall where NWSL Next will happen.

My point being that there's many different possible outcomes if leagues choose to define their own eligibility windows.

What about this one? There's a very good chance that leagues let their olders age out as BY + only implement SY for youngers. Nobody is considering this.

lol, you nailed. NOBODY is considering this. Because there is no way treat ECNL age groups differently. You'll end up with overlap and chaos for what reason? To satisfy BY parents. Its over guys, they SY victory lap is imminent.

No, it keeps teams together that have been playing with each other for multiple years.

Also thers a good chance that u14 and up trapped players won't want to play down even if given the option.

You don't know this yet because you're a ulittle parent.

Hate to break it to you but most HS trapped players don’t want to continue to play up and get screwed out of their prime recruiting years because they are misaligned from the rest of their team and held hostage by NCAA rules. Maybe in your q1-2 mindset they want to stay on established teams or maybe they just aren’t telling you what they think you don’t want to hear.

Nobody who wants to play in college wants to sign up to be the junior playing on a team of seniors. Playing ‘up’ vs on time really isn’t a badge of honor by the time they are in HS…

Sigh...

Top players will get recruited if they live on the moon. It doesn't matter.

What is a top player? Is that any girl who plays on an ECNL team or do they have to be a starter? Or do you mean national team level players?

Because most ECNL level players still need to send lots of emails, goto showcases, and attend ID camps and clinics for a chance to be recruited. Most players who do not advocate and jump through all the hoops will not be seen.

[Anonymous]

Sigh….
Talk to a college coach and they can explain it to you

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Except the whole reason to remove trapped players is for recruiting in the high school sophomore and junior years. Also not many teams in this area are established and have been playing together for years. Almost all ECNL teams have decent turnover every tryout period.

So you're saying that teams aren't "established" in NVA and therfore they replace players every year via tryouts.

And these are the team recruiters will be looking to recruit players from?

Sounds to me like SY vs BY doesn't really matter.

It only doesn’t matter if trapped 8th graders not having a team to practice or play games with for 3/4 months and the U19 age group running into large roster issues doesn’t bother you. Along with the weird recruiting issues.

You’re also missing the fact that kids born in Q1/2 can also game the system and be held back in school and get an extra year to compete. People are now starting to realize even though they are not in high school they can still be age eligible to play ECNL because birth year allows it. And if they didn’t get an offer they go back and play.

So all the GY people who complain against hold backs should also be anti BY because it allows kids to be held back already but again only the Q1/2 kids get the benefit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sigh….
Talk to a college coach and they can explain it to you

I’m asking you to explain your position? a “college coach” did not make the comment you did. Again what is a top player? In your opinion? The top 25% of ECNL players?

Again my position is the top 5% probably don’t have to do anything but the other 95% of girls have to put in a lot of work just to be seen and noticed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What would ECNL do if GA chooses to stay BY but with the same biobanding rules as MLS Next?

Writing would be on the wall where NWSL Next will happen.

My point being that there's many different possible outcomes if leagues choose to define their own eligibility windows.

What about this one? There's a very good chance that leagues let their olders age out as BY + only implement SY for youngers. Nobody is considering this.

lol, you nailed. NOBODY is considering this. Because there is no way treat ECNL age groups differently. You'll end up with overlap and chaos for what reason? To satisfy BY parents. Its over guys, they SY victory lap is imminent.

No, it keeps teams together that have been playing with each other for multiple years.

Also thers a good chance that u14 and up trapped players won't want to play down even if given the option.

You don't know this yet because you're a ulittle parent.

Hate to break it to you but most HS trapped players don’t want to continue to play up and get screwed out of their prime recruiting years because they are misaligned from the rest of their team and held hostage by NCAA rules. Maybe in your q1-2 mindset they want to stay on established teams or maybe they just aren’t telling you what they think you don’t want to hear.

Nobody who wants to play in college wants to sign up to be the junior playing on a team of seniors. Playing ‘up’ vs on time really isn’t a badge of honor by the time they are in HS…

Sigh...

Top players will get recruited if they live on the moon. It doesn't matter.

So the birth month distribution of college soccer players is relatively even? Cause that's not what other posters are saying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What would ECNL do if GA chooses to stay BY but with the same biobanding rules as MLS Next?

Writing would be on the wall where NWSL Next will happen.

My point being that there's many different possible outcomes if leagues choose to define their own eligibility windows.

What about this one? There's a very good chance that leagues let their olders age out as BY + only implement SY for youngers. Nobody is considering this.

lol, you nailed. NOBODY is considering this. Because there is no way treat ECNL age groups differently. You'll end up with overlap and chaos for what reason? To satisfy BY parents. Its over guys, they SY victory lap is imminent.

No, it keeps teams together that have been playing with each other for multiple years.

Also thers a good chance that u14 and up trapped players won't want to play down even if given the option.

You don't know this yet because you're a ulittle parent.

Hate to break it to you but most HS trapped players don’t want to continue to play up and get screwed out of their prime recruiting years because they are misaligned from the rest of their team and held hostage by NCAA rules. Maybe in your q1-2 mindset they want to stay on established teams or maybe they just aren’t telling you what they think you don’t want to hear.

Nobody who wants to play in college wants to sign up to be the junior playing on a team of seniors. Playing ‘up’ vs on time really isn’t a badge of honor by the time they are in HS…

Sigh...

Top players will get recruited if they live on the moon. It doesn't matter.

So why do we care if changes to SY?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What would ECNL do if GA chooses to stay BY but with the same biobanding rules as MLS Next?

Writing would be on the wall where NWSL Next will happen.

My point being that there's many different possible outcomes if leagues choose to define their own eligibility windows.

What about this one? There's a very good chance that leagues let their olders age out as BY + only implement SY for youngers. Nobody is considering this.

lol, you nailed. NOBODY is considering this. Because there is no way treat ECNL age groups differently. You'll end up with overlap and chaos for what reason? To satisfy BY parents. Its over guys, they SY victory lap is imminent.

No, it keeps teams together that have been playing with each other for multiple years.

Also thers a good chance that u14 and up trapped players won't want to play down even if given the option.

You don't know this yet because you're a ulittle parent.

Hate to break it to you but most HS trapped players don’t want to continue to play up and get screwed out of their prime recruiting years because they are misaligned from the rest of their team and held hostage by NCAA rules. Maybe in your q1-2 mindset they want to stay on established teams or maybe they just aren’t telling you what they think you don’t want to hear.

Nobody who wants to play in college wants to sign up to be the junior playing on a team of seniors. Playing ‘up’ vs on time really isn’t a badge of honor by the time they are in HS…

Sigh...

Top players will get recruited if they live on the moon. It doesn't matter.

So the birth month distribution of college soccer players is relatively even? Cause that's not what other posters are saying.

It doesn't matter.

I'm sorry to be the one that tells you this. Life isn't always perfectly even.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Except the whole reason to remove trapped players is for recruiting in the high school sophomore and junior years. Also not many teams in this area are established and have been playing together for years. Almost all ECNL teams have decent turnover every tryout period.

So you're saying that teams aren't "established" in NVA and therfore they replace players every year via tryouts.

And these are the team recruiters will be looking to recruit players from?

Sounds to me like SY vs BY doesn't really matter.

It only doesn’t matter if trapped 8th graders not having a team to practice or play games with for 3/4 months and the U19 age group running into large roster issues doesn’t bother you. Along with the weird recruiting issues.

You’re also missing the fact that kids born in Q1/2 can also game the system and be held back in school and get an extra year to compete. People are now starting to realize even though they are not in high school they can still be age eligible to play ECNL because birth year allows it. And if they didn’t get an offer they go back and play.

So all the GY people who complain against hold backs should also be anti BY because it allows kids to be held back already but again only the Q1/2 kids get the benefit.

Your "logic" doesn't make sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What would ECNL do if GA chooses to stay BY but with the same biobanding rules as MLS Next?

Writing would be on the wall where NWSL Next will happen.

My point being that there's many different possible outcomes if leagues choose to define their own eligibility windows.

What about this one? There's a very good chance that leagues let their olders age out as BY + only implement SY for youngers. Nobody is considering this.

lol, you nailed. NOBODY is considering this. Because there is no way treat ECNL age groups differently. You'll end up with overlap and chaos for what reason? To satisfy BY parents. Its over guys, they SY victory lap is imminent.

No, it keeps teams together that have been playing with each other for multiple years.

Also thers a good chance that u14 and up trapped players won't want to play down even if given the option.

You don't know this yet because you're a ulittle parent.

Hate to break it to you but most HS trapped players don’t want to continue to play up and get screwed out of their prime recruiting years because they are misaligned from the rest of their team and held hostage by NCAA rules. Maybe in your q1-2 mindset they want to stay on established teams or maybe they just aren’t telling you what they think you don’t want to hear.

Nobody who wants to play in college wants to sign up to be the junior playing on a team of seniors. Playing ‘up’ vs on time really isn’t a badge of honor by the time they are in HS…

Sigh...

Top players will get recruited if they live on the moon. It doesn't matter.

So the birth month distribution of college soccer players is relatively even? Cause that's not what other posters are saying.

It doesn't matter.

I'm sorry to be the one that tells you this. Life isn't always perfectly even.

Which is it, "Top players will get recruited if they live on the moon." or they won't necessarily but everyone should except a flawed system and no one should even think about improving?

Contradictory comments there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Except the whole reason to remove trapped players is for recruiting in the high school sophomore and junior years. Also not many teams in this area are established and have been playing together for years. Almost all ECNL teams have decent turnover every tryout period.

So you're saying that teams aren't "established" in NVA and therfore they replace players every year via tryouts.

And these are the team recruiters will be looking to recruit players from?

Sounds to me like SY vs BY doesn't really matter.

It only doesn’t matter if trapped 8th graders not having a team to practice or play games with for 3/4 months and the U19 age group running into large roster issues doesn’t bother you. Along with the weird recruiting issues.

You’re also missing the fact that kids born in Q1/2 can also game the system and be held back in school and get an extra year to compete. People are now starting to realize even though they are not in high school they can still be age eligible to play ECNL because birth year allows it. And if they didn’t get an offer they go back and play.

So all the GY people who complain against hold backs should also be anti BY because it allows kids to be held back already but again only the Q1/2 kids get the benefit.

Your "logic" doesn't make sense.

I’ll spell it out slowly for you. If anyone is anti GY because it means parents can hold kids back and they get to be older playing against younger kids and get an extra year of playing this would mean you are anti BY because BY allows Q1/2 kids currently to be held back and get to play an extra year or if they are not held back they can still play ECNL as college freshman because they are U19 eligible.

Example a January 2007 should graduate HS in 2025. However if they were held back they are eligible to play 07/08 again next year 25/26. Because the rules allow it.