ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:The only real question is whether MLSNext also switches. The non-MLS clubs participating in MLSNext are concerned if the birth date does not switch then kids with August - December birthdays switch to ECNL as they will do better there. That leaves the bulk of a team with January - July birthdays of course, but you are dropping 20-30 percent of a team and not being able to replace them.

If MLSNext also switches it changes who the best kids are on a team, but it keeps the league competitive with the ECNL. You still will be saying MLSNext is the top boys league.
Without making the change - you won’t be doing that. A large percentage of the best guys will be ECNL.

No ECNL will still be second tier for boys.

Your girl knowledge doesn't apply.

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone actually arguing for BY from a “best for the system” perspective? For a reason other than change management (lazy) or international equivalency (irrelevant to 99.9999% of people on this thread)? I get that the currently RAE advantaged group wants to keep their advantage, and the currently RAE disadvantaged group wants to seize the advantage. The neutral reason for SY is eliminating trapped players. What is the neutral reason for BY?

BY separates age groups from school grade. This keeps youth soccer from slipping into the GY (graduation year) debate because the cutoff isn't associated with your grade in school in any way.

BY is easy to administer. Not confusing in any way.

BY doesn't have to address different school district start dates

BY is what currently exists. Changing to SY will mean updating all kinds of different club documents and marketing.

Ok....brave! Haven't seen someone try to advocate for splitting up school grades. Probably not alot of takers here for that but I applaud the effort. Not everyone should let common sense get in their way.

Separates age groups from school grade to avoid everything slipping into chaos and anarchy?? I'd polish it up a bit and come back to try again.

You asked why someone would advocate for BY and I provided a list of reasons. No polish is required.

The problem with sites like this one is that it suffers from group think. Everyone here seems to be approaching the subject from a what's in it for me perspective.

If you think from a club owners perspective BY makes a lot of sense. It's easy to administer, it already exists, etc. One aspect that parents don't consider is that clubs DO NOT want GY leagues. This is because if BY became SY which became GY then suddenly private schools could participate in leagues like ECNL. Private schools can give scholorships and buy winning teams. This would kill the currently pay to play model.

Make a little more sense now.

Your forgetting that clubs want the more money, aka higher participation, that comes with SY. Not easier to administer, they would be the same. But the already exists reason for nervous clubs afraid of change did push it out a year. Based on what is being said about the survey, clubs picked SY not BY

SY might be good for town or lower level rec leagues. But, once you cross into the competitive world nobody cares about playing with their friends at school anymore. Also coaches hold competitive tryouts every year and could care less who atrends which school or grade.

SY was picked over BY, BY mandate removed

Currently it's a league by league decision.

We'll see where it ends up.

Last month, BY was removed as a mandate. You should bet all your money on all the leagues sticking with BY.

There was no "mandate" leagues like MLSN allowed players to play down. Any league could have chosen to do the same thing.

ECNL just wants to throw it's weiner around in an attempt to look powerful. If ECNL wanted to let players play down they could have at any time. (Just like MLSN does now)

Youth soccer, including ECNL as a coalition, is standing up to the bully that US Soccer is. US Soccer brings virtually nothing to the table for kids but wants their lunch money.

Again, ECNL could have implemented biobanding (just like MLSN) at any time and there wouldn't be any "trapped" players.

US Soccer isn't a bully. ECNL leadership thinks that they're more important than they are.

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone actually arguing for BY from a “best for the system” perspective? For a reason other than change management (lazy) or international equivalency (irrelevant to 99.9999% of people on this thread)? I get that the currently RAE advantaged group wants to keep their advantage, and the currently RAE disadvantaged group wants to seize the advantage. The neutral reason for SY is eliminating trapped players. What is the neutral reason for BY?

BY separates age groups from school grade. This keeps youth soccer from slipping into the GY (graduation year) debate because the cutoff isn't associated with your grade in school in any way.

BY is easy to administer. Not confusing in any way.

BY doesn't have to address different school district start dates

BY is what currently exists. Changing to SY will mean updating all kinds of different club documents and marketing.

Ok....brave! Haven't seen someone try to advocate for splitting up school grades. Probably not alot of takers here for that but I applaud the effort. Not everyone should let common sense get in their way.

Separates age groups from school grade to avoid everything slipping into chaos and anarchy?? I'd polish it up a bit and come back to try again.

You asked why someone would advocate for BY and I provided a list of reasons. No polish is required.

The problem with sites like this one is that it suffers from group think. Everyone here seems to be approaching the subject from a what's in it for me perspective.

If you think from a club owners perspective BY makes a lot of sense. It's easy to administer, it already exists, etc. One aspect that parents don't consider is that clubs DO NOT want GY leagues. This is because if BY became SY which became GY then suddenly private schools could participate in leagues like ECNL. Private schools can give scholorships and buy winning teams. This would kill the currently pay to play model.

Make a little more sense now.

Your forgetting that clubs want the more money, aka higher participation, that comes with SY. Not easier to administer, they would be the same. But the already exists reason for nervous clubs afraid of change did push it out a year. Based on what is being said about the survey, clubs picked SY not BY

SY might be good for town or lower level rec leagues. But, once you cross into the competitive world nobody cares about playing with their friends at school anymore. Also coaches hold competitive tryouts every year and could care less who atrends which school or grade.

SY was picked over BY, BY mandate removed

Currently it's a league by league decision.

We'll see where it ends up.

Last month, BY was removed as a mandate. You should bet all your money on all the leagues sticking with BY.

There was no "mandate" leagues like MLSN allowed players to play down. Any league could have chosen to do the same thing.

ECNL just wants to throw it's weiner around in an attempt to look powerful. If ECNL wanted to let players play down they could have at any time. (Just like MLSN does now)

Youth soccer, including ECNL as a coalition, is standing up to the bully that US Soccer is. US Soccer brings virtually nothing to the table for kids but wants their lunch money.

Again, ECNL could have implemented biobanding (just like MLSN) at any time and there wouldn't be any "trapped" players.

US Soccer isn't a bully. ECNL leadership thinks that they're more important than they are.

It seems like ECNL stood up for all of youth soccer for change but without inside knowledge, I don't know it. All I can say is that youth soccer including ECNL stood to US Soccer.

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Anonymous wrote:The only real question is whether MLSNext also switches. The non-MLS clubs participating in MLSNext are concerned if the birth date does not switch then kids with August - December birthdays switch to ECNL as they will do better there. That leaves the bulk of a team with January - July birthdays of course, but you are dropping 20-30 percent of a team and not being able to replace them.

If MLSNext also switches it changes who the best kids are on a team, but it keeps the league competitive with the ECNL. You still will be saying MLSNext is the top boys league.
Without making the change - you won’t be doing that. A large percentage of the best guys will be ECNL.

Considering a date cutoff change could happen overnight, it seems that the "it changes who the best kids are on a team" is the real worry from clubs in the short term.

They worry their teams won't be as good as they will be trying to placate existing top players, bring up players from lower teams and recruit from outside, while the blowback from disgruntled parents will be huge.

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone actually arguing for BY from a “best for the system” perspective? For a reason other than change management (lazy) or international equivalency (irrelevant to 99.9999% of people on this thread)? I get that the currently RAE advantaged group wants to keep their advantage, and the currently RAE disadvantaged group wants to seize the advantage. The neutral reason for SY is eliminating trapped players. What is the neutral reason for BY?

BY separates age groups from school grade. This keeps youth soccer from slipping into the GY (graduation year) debate because the cutoff isn't associated with your grade in school in any way.

BY is easy to administer. Not confusing in any way.

BY doesn't have to address different school district start dates

BY is what currently exists. Changing to SY will mean updating all kinds of different club documents and marketing.

Ok....brave! Haven't seen someone try to advocate for splitting up school grades. Probably not alot of takers here for that but I applaud the effort. Not everyone should let common sense get in their way.

Separates age groups from school grade to avoid everything slipping into chaos and anarchy?? I'd polish it up a bit and come back to try again.

You asked why someone would advocate for BY and I provided a list of reasons. No polish is required.

The problem with sites like this one is that it suffers from group think. Everyone here seems to be approaching the subject from a what's in it for me perspective.

If you think from a club owners perspective BY makes a lot of sense. It's easy to administer, it already exists, etc. One aspect that parents don't consider is that clubs DO NOT want GY leagues. This is because if BY became SY which became GY then suddenly private schools could participate in leagues like ECNL. Private schools can give scholorships and buy winning teams. This would kill the currently pay to play model.

Make a little more sense now.

Your forgetting that clubs want the more money, aka higher participation, that comes with SY. Not easier to administer, they would be the same. But the already exists reason for nervous clubs afraid of change did push it out a year. Based on what is being said about the survey, clubs picked SY not BY

SY might be good for town or lower level rec leagues. But, once you cross into the competitive world nobody cares about playing with their friends at school anymore. Also coaches hold competitive tryouts every year and could care less who atrends which school or grade.

SY was picked over BY, BY mandate removed

Currently it's a league by league decision.

We'll see where it ends up.

Last month, BY was removed as a mandate. You should bet all your money on all the leagues sticking with BY.

There was no "mandate" leagues like MLSN allowed players to play down. Any league could have chosen to do the same thing.

ECNL just wants to throw it's weiner around in an attempt to look powerful. If ECNL wanted to let players play down they could have at any time. (Just like MLSN does now)

Youth soccer, including ECNL as a coalition, is standing up to the bully that US Soccer is. US Soccer brings virtually nothing to the table for kids but wants their lunch money.

Again, ECNL could have implemented biobanding (just like MLSN) at any time and there wouldn't be any "trapped" players.

US Soccer isn't a bully. ECNL leadership thinks that they're more important than they are.

Ignoring that youth leagues wanted to stay with school year 10 years ago and strong arming them into birth year to benefit a couple of dozen players for youth national teams at the expense of millions of ulittles, yeah, that's bullying.

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone actually arguing for BY from a “best for the system” perspective? For a reason other than change management (lazy) or international equivalency (irrelevant to 99.9999% of people on this thread)? I get that the currently RAE advantaged group wants to keep their advantage, and the currently RAE disadvantaged group wants to seize the advantage. The neutral reason for SY is eliminating trapped players. What is the neutral reason for BY?

BY separates age groups from school grade. This keeps youth soccer from slipping into the GY (graduation year) debate because the cutoff isn't associated with your grade in school in any way.

BY is easy to administer. Not confusing in any way.

BY doesn't have to address different school district start dates

BY is what currently exists. Changing to SY will mean updating all kinds of different club documents and marketing.

Ok....brave! Haven't seen someone try to advocate for splitting up school grades. Probably not alot of takers here for that but I applaud the effort. Not everyone should let common sense get in their way.

Separates age groups from school grade to avoid everything slipping into chaos and anarchy?? I'd polish it up a bit and come back to try again.

You asked why someone would advocate for BY and I provided a list of reasons. No polish is required.

The problem with sites like this one is that it suffers from group think. Everyone here seems to be approaching the subject from a what's in it for me perspective.

If you think from a club owners perspective BY makes a lot of sense. It's easy to administer, it already exists, etc. One aspect that parents don't consider is that clubs DO NOT want GY leagues. This is because if BY became SY which became GY then suddenly private schools could participate in leagues like ECNL. Private schools can give scholorships and buy winning teams. This would kill the currently pay to play model.

Make a little more sense now.

Your forgetting that clubs want the more money, aka higher participation, that comes with SY. Not easier to administer, they would be the same. But the already exists reason for nervous clubs afraid of change did push it out a year. Based on what is being said about the survey, clubs picked SY not BY

SY might be good for town or lower level rec leagues. But, once you cross into the competitive world nobody cares about playing with their friends at school anymore. Also coaches hold competitive tryouts every year and could care less who atrends which school or grade.

SY was picked over BY, BY mandate removed

Currently it's a league by league decision.

We'll see where it ends up.

Last month, BY was removed as a mandate. You should bet all your money on all the leagues sticking with BY.

There was no "mandate" leagues like MLSN allowed players to play down. Any league could have chosen to do the same thing.

ECNL just wants to throw it's weiner around in an attempt to look powerful. If ECNL wanted to let players play down they could have at any time. (Just like MLSN does now)

Youth soccer, including ECNL as a coalition, is standing up to the bully that US Soccer is. US Soccer brings virtually nothing to the table for kids but wants their lunch money.

Again, ECNL could have implemented biobanding (just like MLSN) at any time and there wouldn't be any "trapped" players.

US Soccer isn't a bully. ECNL leadership thinks that they're more important than they are.

It seems like ECNL stood up for all of youth soccer for change but without inside knowledge, I don't know it. All I can say is that youth soccer including ECNL stood to US Soccer.

There was nothing for ECNL to stand up to. ECNL could have implemented biobanding at any time just like MLS Next did. This would have eliminated trapped players.

This could have happened the day after everyone switched to BY in 2017. It could also happen tomorrow if ECNL wanted to.

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone actually arguing for BY from a “best for the system” perspective? For a reason other than change management (lazy) or international equivalency (irrelevant to 99.9999% of people on this thread)? I get that the currently RAE advantaged group wants to keep their advantage, and the currently RAE disadvantaged group wants to seize the advantage. The neutral reason for SY is eliminating trapped players. What is the neutral reason for BY?

BY separates age groups from school grade. This keeps youth soccer from slipping into the GY (graduation year) debate because the cutoff isn't associated with your grade in school in any way.

BY is easy to administer. Not confusing in any way.

BY doesn't have to address different school district start dates

BY is what currently exists. Changing to SY will mean updating all kinds of different club documents and marketing.

Ok....brave! Haven't seen someone try to advocate for splitting up school grades. Probably not alot of takers here for that but I applaud the effort. Not everyone should let common sense get in their way.

Separates age groups from school grade to avoid everything slipping into chaos and anarchy?? I'd polish it up a bit and come back to try again.

You asked why someone would advocate for BY and I provided a list of reasons. No polish is required.

The problem with sites like this one is that it suffers from group think. Everyone here seems to be approaching the subject from a what's in it for me perspective.

If you think from a club owners perspective BY makes a lot of sense. It's easy to administer, it already exists, etc. One aspect that parents don't consider is that clubs DO NOT want GY leagues. This is because if BY became SY which became GY then suddenly private schools could participate in leagues like ECNL. Private schools can give scholorships and buy winning teams. This would kill the currently pay to play model.

Make a little more sense now.

Your forgetting that clubs want the more money, aka higher participation, that comes with SY. Not easier to administer, they would be the same. But the already exists reason for nervous clubs afraid of change did push it out a year. Based on what is being said about the survey, clubs picked SY not BY

SY might be good for town or lower level rec leagues. But, once you cross into the competitive world nobody cares about playing with their friends at school anymore. Also coaches hold competitive tryouts every year and could care less who atrends which school or grade.

SY was picked over BY, BY mandate removed

Currently it's a league by league decision.

We'll see where it ends up.

Last month, BY was removed as a mandate. You should bet all your money on all the leagues sticking with BY.

There was no "mandate" leagues like MLSN allowed players to play down. Any league could have chosen to do the same thing.

ECNL just wants to throw it's weiner around in an attempt to look powerful. If ECNL wanted to let players play down they could have at any time. (Just like MLSN does now)

Youth soccer, including ECNL as a coalition, is standing up to the bully that US Soccer is. US Soccer brings virtually nothing to the table for kids but wants their lunch money.

Again, ECNL could have implemented biobanding (just like MLSN) at any time and there wouldn't be any "trapped" players.

US Soccer isn't a bully. ECNL leadership thinks that they're more important than they are.

It seems like ECNL stood up for all of youth soccer for change but without inside knowledge, I don't know it. All I can say is that youth soccer including ECNL stood to US Soccer.

There was nothing for ECNL to stand up to. ECNL could have implemented biobanding at any time just like MLS Next did. This would have eliminated trapped players.

This could have happened the day after everyone switched to BY in 2017. It could also happen tomorrow if ECNL wanted to.

Why don’t they do that?

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Anonymous wrote:DD went through BY change and was (is this year too) trapped. Dumbest move in sports history. Why have 8th graders doing nothing while 1/2 their team play HS? Why we watching 1/2 the team graduate and play a year of NCAA while we play with 1/2 a team of new players? There will be old and young players at both BY or SY, but only one (BY) traps players. Insanity then and insanity now. Only BY maxis on this thread want their very like great team to remain and not blow it up like we all went through. I'm sorry it'll happen, but for the future of the kids in this county, please Lord go to SY!

If your club had a good program, there should be a trapped team and league which may actually have a better experience than teammates in the 9th grade, because HS always isn't all that, either (depends on the district -- not all have freshmen OR even JV squads, so it could be a year of bench-sitting if they can even make the team -- what then?).

So, some trapped players, in that scenario, still benefit by training/playing with the club along with a different coach -- all new opportunities to stand out and/or lead. In that sense, those trapped players should be better prepared when they DO enter the 9th grade, perhaps more so than the rest of their grade, to compete for varsity, again if their district has fewer options.

That said, there's been enough negative experiences by people to push for SY options (and sorry you currently have one). It won't end trapped players, though. They will still exist if BY becomes the only choice but fewer so the entire soccer world will care less than the current trapped player potential plight.

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone actually arguing for BY from a “best for the system” perspective? For a reason other than change management (lazy) or international equivalency (irrelevant to 99.9999% of people on this thread)? I get that the currently RAE advantaged group wants to keep their advantage, and the currently RAE disadvantaged group wants to seize the advantage. The neutral reason for SY is eliminating trapped players. What is the neutral reason for BY?

BY separates age groups from school grade. This keeps youth soccer from slipping into the GY (graduation year) debate because the cutoff isn't associated with your grade in school in any way.

BY is easy to administer. Not confusing in any way.

BY doesn't have to address different school district start dates

BY is what currently exists. Changing to SY will mean updating all kinds of different club documents and marketing.

Ok....brave! Haven't seen someone try to advocate for splitting up school grades. Probably not alot of takers here for that but I applaud the effort. Not everyone should let common sense get in their way.

Separates age groups from school grade to avoid everything slipping into chaos and anarchy?? I'd polish it up a bit and come back to try again.

You asked why someone would advocate for BY and I provided a list of reasons. No polish is required.

The problem with sites like this one is that it suffers from group think. Everyone here seems to be approaching the subject from a what's in it for me perspective.

If you think from a club owners perspective BY makes a lot of sense. It's easy to administer, it already exists, etc. One aspect that parents don't consider is that clubs DO NOT want GY leagues. This is because if BY became SY which became GY then suddenly private schools could participate in leagues like ECNL. Private schools can give scholorships and buy winning teams. This would kill the currently pay to play model.

Make a little more sense now.

Your forgetting that clubs want the more money, aka higher participation, that comes with SY. Not easier to administer, they would be the same. But the already exists reason for nervous clubs afraid of change did push it out a year. Based on what is being said about the survey, clubs picked SY not BY

SY might be good for town or lower level rec leagues. But, once you cross into the competitive world nobody cares about playing with their friends at school anymore. Also coaches hold competitive tryouts every year and could care less who atrends which school or grade.

SY was picked over BY, BY mandate removed

Currently it's a league by league decision.

We'll see where it ends up.

Last month, BY was removed as a mandate. You should bet all your money on all the leagues sticking with BY.

There was no "mandate" leagues like MLSN allowed players to play down. Any league could have chosen to do the same thing.

ECNL just wants to throw it's weiner around in an attempt to look powerful. If ECNL wanted to let players play down they could have at any time. (Just like MLSN does now)

Youth soccer, including ECNL as a coalition, is standing up to the bully that US Soccer is. US Soccer brings virtually nothing to the table for kids but wants their lunch money.

Again, ECNL could have implemented biobanding (just like MLSN) at any time and there wouldn't be any "trapped" players.

US Soccer isn't a bully. ECNL leadership thinks that they're more important than they are.

It seems like ECNL stood up for all of youth soccer for change but without inside knowledge, I don't know it. All I can say is that youth soccer including ECNL stood to US Soccer.

There was nothing for ECNL to stand up to. ECNL could have implemented biobanding at any time just like MLS Next did. This would have eliminated trapped players.

This could have happened the day after everyone switched to BY in 2017. It could also happen tomorrow if ECNL wanted to.

Ignoring the fact that there are no trapped players in MLSN in a comparison to ECNL, is a bit disingenuous. Biobanding is something completely different than having hundreds if not thousands of waivers to process every year for the trapped players. That is why they are pushing to make a uniform date.

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone actually arguing for BY from a “best for the system” perspective? For a reason other than change management (lazy) or international equivalency (irrelevant to 99.9999% of people on this thread)? I get that the currently RAE advantaged group wants to keep their advantage, and the currently RAE disadvantaged group wants to seize the advantage. The neutral reason for SY is eliminating trapped players. What is the neutral reason for BY?

BY separates age groups from school grade. This keeps youth soccer from slipping into the GY (graduation year) debate because the cutoff isn't associated with your grade in school in any way.

BY is easy to administer. Not confusing in any way.

BY doesn't have to address different school district start dates

BY is what currently exists. Changing to SY will mean updating all kinds of different club documents and marketing.

Ok....brave! Haven't seen someone try to advocate for splitting up school grades. Probably not alot of takers here for that but I applaud the effort. Not everyone should let common sense get in their way.

Separates age groups from school grade to avoid everything slipping into chaos and anarchy?? I'd polish it up a bit and come back to try again.

You asked why someone would advocate for BY and I provided a list of reasons. No polish is required.

The problem with sites like this one is that it suffers from group think. Everyone here seems to be approaching the subject from a what's in it for me perspective.

If you think from a club owners perspective BY makes a lot of sense. It's easy to administer, it already exists, etc. One aspect that parents don't consider is that clubs DO NOT want GY leagues. This is because if BY became SY which became GY then suddenly private schools could participate in leagues like ECNL. Private schools can give scholorships and buy winning teams. This would kill the currently pay to play model.

Make a little more sense now.

Your forgetting that clubs want the more money, aka higher participation, that comes with SY. Not easier to administer, they would be the same. But the already exists reason for nervous clubs afraid of change did push it out a year. Based on what is being said about the survey, clubs picked SY not BY

SY might be good for town or lower level rec leagues. But, once you cross into the competitive world nobody cares about playing with their friends at school anymore. Also coaches hold competitive tryouts every year and could care less who atrends which school or grade.

SY was picked over BY, BY mandate removed

Currently it's a league by league decision.

We'll see where it ends up.

Last month, BY was removed as a mandate. You should bet all your money on all the leagues sticking with BY.

There was no "mandate" leagues like MLSN allowed players to play down. Any league could have chosen to do the same thing.

ECNL just wants to throw it's weiner around in an attempt to look powerful. If ECNL wanted to let players play down they could have at any time. (Just like MLSN does now)

Youth soccer, including ECNL as a coalition, is standing up to the bully that US Soccer is. US Soccer brings virtually nothing to the table for kids but wants their lunch money.

Again, ECNL could have implemented biobanding (just like MLSN) at any time and there wouldn't be any "trapped" players.

US Soccer isn't a bully. ECNL leadership thinks that they're more important than they are.

Ignoring that youth leagues wanted to stay with school year 10 years ago and strong arming them into birth year to benefit a couple of dozen players for youth national teams at the expense of millions of ulittles, yeah, that's bullying.

Obviously you've picked your propaganda and plan to stick with it. That's fine but ask yourself why US Soccer would allow MLSN to do biobanding (ie playing down) but not anyone else.

The reality is US Soccer doesn't care if leagues implement biobanding.

ECNL in this situation is trying to throw their weight around to show they have power. This has nothing to do with kids being trapped or not being trapped.

The difference is in 2026 US Soccer will allow leagues to choose if they officially want to lable their league SY or BY or whatever for groupings. The label in itself is just a label because leagues can work around it with specific rules (like biobanding with BY, etc).

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone actually arguing for BY from a “best for the system” perspective? For a reason other than change management (lazy) or international equivalency (irrelevant to 99.9999% of people on this thread)? I get that the currently RAE advantaged group wants to keep their advantage, and the currently RAE disadvantaged group wants to seize the advantage. The neutral reason for SY is eliminating trapped players. What is the neutral reason for BY?

BY separates age groups from school grade. This keeps youth soccer from slipping into the GY (graduation year) debate because the cutoff isn't associated with your grade in school in any way.

BY is easy to administer. Not confusing in any way.

BY doesn't have to address different school district start dates

BY is what currently exists. Changing to SY will mean updating all kinds of different club documents and marketing.

Ok....brave! Haven't seen someone try to advocate for splitting up school grades. Probably not alot of takers here for that but I applaud the effort. Not everyone should let common sense get in their way.

Separates age groups from school grade to avoid everything slipping into chaos and anarchy?? I'd polish it up a bit and come back to try again.

You asked why someone would advocate for BY and I provided a list of reasons. No polish is required.

The problem with sites like this one is that it suffers from group think. Everyone here seems to be approaching the subject from a what's in it for me perspective.

If you think from a club owners perspective BY makes a lot of sense. It's easy to administer, it already exists, etc. One aspect that parents don't consider is that clubs DO NOT want GY leagues. This is because if BY became SY which became GY then suddenly private schools could participate in leagues like ECNL. Private schools can give scholorships and buy winning teams. This would kill the currently pay to play model.

Make a little more sense now.

Your forgetting that clubs want the more money, aka higher participation, that comes with SY. Not easier to administer, they would be the same. But the already exists reason for nervous clubs afraid of change did push it out a year. Based on what is being said about the survey, clubs picked SY not BY

SY might be good for town or lower level rec leagues. But, once you cross into the competitive world nobody cares about playing with their friends at school anymore. Also coaches hold competitive tryouts every year and could care less who atrends which school or grade.

SY was picked over BY, BY mandate removed

Currently it's a league by league decision.

We'll see where it ends up.

Last month, BY was removed as a mandate. You should bet all your money on all the leagues sticking with BY.

There was no "mandate" leagues like MLSN allowed players to play down. Any league could have chosen to do the same thing.

ECNL just wants to throw it's weiner around in an attempt to look powerful. If ECNL wanted to let players play down they could have at any time. (Just like MLSN does now)

Youth soccer, including ECNL as a coalition, is standing up to the bully that US Soccer is. US Soccer brings virtually nothing to the table for kids but wants their lunch money.

Again, ECNL could have implemented biobanding (just like MLSN) at any time and there wouldn't be any "trapped" players.

US Soccer isn't a bully. ECNL leadership thinks that they're more important than they are.

It seems like ECNL stood up for all of youth soccer for change but without inside knowledge, I don't know it. All I can say is that youth soccer including ECNL stood to US Soccer.

There was nothing for ECNL to stand up to. ECNL could have implemented biobanding at any time just like MLS Next did. This would have eliminated trapped players.

This could have happened the day after everyone switched to BY in 2017. It could also happen tomorrow if ECNL wanted to.

Ignoring the fact that there are no trapped players in MLSN in a comparison to ECNL, is a bit disingenuous. Biobanding is something completely different than having hundreds if not thousands of waivers to process every year for the trapped players. That is why they are pushing to make a uniform date.

Biobanding is just allowing players to play down. SY in comparison to BY is the same thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone actually arguing for BY from a “best for the system” perspective? For a reason other than change management (lazy) or international equivalency (irrelevant to 99.9999% of people on this thread)? I get that the currently RAE advantaged group wants to keep their advantage, and the currently RAE disadvantaged group wants to seize the advantage. The neutral reason for SY is eliminating trapped players. What is the neutral reason for BY?

BY separates age groups from school grade. This keeps youth soccer from slipping into the GY (graduation year) debate because the cutoff isn't associated with your grade in school in any way.

BY is easy to administer. Not confusing in any way.

BY doesn't have to address different school district start dates

BY is what currently exists. Changing to SY will mean updating all kinds of different club documents and marketing.

Ok....brave! Haven't seen someone try to advocate for splitting up school grades. Probably not alot of takers here for that but I applaud the effort. Not everyone should let common sense get in their way.

Separates age groups from school grade to avoid everything slipping into chaos and anarchy?? I'd polish it up a bit and come back to try again.

You asked why someone would advocate for BY and I provided a list of reasons. No polish is required.

The problem with sites like this one is that it suffers from group think. Everyone here seems to be approaching the subject from a what's in it for me perspective.

If you think from a club owners perspective BY makes a lot of sense. It's easy to administer, it already exists, etc. One aspect that parents don't consider is that clubs DO NOT want GY leagues. This is because if BY became SY which became GY then suddenly private schools could participate in leagues like ECNL. Private schools can give scholorships and buy winning teams. This would kill the currently pay to play model.

Make a little more sense now.

Your forgetting that clubs want the more money, aka higher participation, that comes with SY. Not easier to administer, they would be the same. But the already exists reason for nervous clubs afraid of change did push it out a year. Based on what is being said about the survey, clubs picked SY not BY

SY might be good for town or lower level rec leagues. But, once you cross into the competitive world nobody cares about playing with their friends at school anymore. Also coaches hold competitive tryouts every year and could care less who atrends which school or grade.

SY was picked over BY, BY mandate removed

Currently it's a league by league decision.

We'll see where it ends up.

Last month, BY was removed as a mandate. You should bet all your money on all the leagues sticking with BY.

There was no "mandate" leagues like MLSN allowed players to play down. Any league could have chosen to do the same thing.

ECNL just wants to throw it's weiner around in an attempt to look powerful. If ECNL wanted to let players play down they could have at any time. (Just like MLSN does now)

Youth soccer, including ECNL as a coalition, is standing up to the bully that US Soccer is. US Soccer brings virtually nothing to the table for kids but wants their lunch money.

Again, ECNL could have implemented biobanding (just like MLSN) at any time and there wouldn't be any "trapped" players.

US Soccer isn't a bully. ECNL leadership thinks that they're more important than they are.

It seems like ECNL stood up for all of youth soccer for change but without inside knowledge, I don't know it. All I can say is that youth soccer including ECNL stood to US Soccer.

There was nothing for ECNL to stand up to. ECNL could have implemented biobanding at any time just like MLS Next did. This would have eliminated trapped players.

This could have happened the day after everyone switched to BY in 2017. It could also happen tomorrow if ECNL wanted to.

Why don’t they do that?

Million dollar question.

All the ECNL antics seem ridiculous when you discover that they could have addressed trapped players in 2017 and they also could address it tomorrow if they wanted to.

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone actually arguing for BY from a “best for the system” perspective? For a reason other than change management (lazy) or international equivalency (irrelevant to 99.9999% of people on this thread)? I get that the currently RAE advantaged group wants to keep their advantage, and the currently RAE disadvantaged group wants to seize the advantage. The neutral reason for SY is eliminating trapped players. What is the neutral reason for BY?

BY separates age groups from school grade. This keeps youth soccer from slipping into the GY (graduation year) debate because the cutoff isn't associated with your grade in school in any way.

BY is easy to administer. Not confusing in any way.

BY doesn't have to address different school district start dates

BY is what currently exists. Changing to SY will mean updating all kinds of different club documents and marketing.

Ok....brave! Haven't seen someone try to advocate for splitting up school grades. Probably not alot of takers here for that but I applaud the effort. Not everyone should let common sense get in their way.

Separates age groups from school grade to avoid everything slipping into chaos and anarchy?? I'd polish it up a bit and come back to try again.

You asked why someone would advocate for BY and I provided a list of reasons. No polish is required.

The problem with sites like this one is that it suffers from group think. Everyone here seems to be approaching the subject from a what's in it for me perspective.

If you think from a club owners perspective BY makes a lot of sense. It's easy to administer, it already exists, etc. One aspect that parents don't consider is that clubs DO NOT want GY leagues. This is because if BY became SY which became GY then suddenly private schools could participate in leagues like ECNL. Private schools can give scholorships and buy winning teams. This would kill the currently pay to play model.

Make a little more sense now.

Your forgetting that clubs want the more money, aka higher participation, that comes with SY. Not easier to administer, they would be the same. But the already exists reason for nervous clubs afraid of change did push it out a year. Based on what is being said about the survey, clubs picked SY not BY

SY might be good for town or lower level rec leagues. But, once you cross into the competitive world nobody cares about playing with their friends at school anymore. Also coaches hold competitive tryouts every year and could care less who atrends which school or grade.

SY was picked over BY, BY mandate removed

Currently it's a league by league decision.

We'll see where it ends up.

Last month, BY was removed as a mandate. You should bet all your money on all the leagues sticking with BY.

There was no "mandate" leagues like MLSN allowed players to play down. Any league could have chosen to do the same thing.

ECNL just wants to throw it's weiner around in an attempt to look powerful. If ECNL wanted to let players play down they could have at any time. (Just like MLSN does now)

Youth soccer, including ECNL as a coalition, is standing up to the bully that US Soccer is. US Soccer brings virtually nothing to the table for kids but wants their lunch money.

Again, ECNL could have implemented biobanding (just like MLSN) at any time and there wouldn't be any "trapped" players.

US Soccer isn't a bully. ECNL leadership thinks that they're more important than they are.

It seems like ECNL stood up for all of youth soccer for change but without inside knowledge, I don't know it. All I can say is that youth soccer including ECNL stood to US Soccer.

There was nothing for ECNL to stand up to. ECNL could have implemented biobanding at any time just like MLS Next did. This would have eliminated trapped players.

This could have happened the day after everyone switched to BY in 2017. It could also happen tomorrow if ECNL wanted to.

Ignoring the fact that there are no trapped players in MLSN in a comparison to ECNL, is a bit disingenuous. Biobanding is something completely different than having hundreds if not thousands of waivers to process every year for the trapped players. That is why they are pushing to make a uniform date.

Biobanding is just allowing players to play down. SY in comparison to BY is the same thing.

It is not the same thing, as has been mentioned numerous times in this thread. Your oversimplification is cute.

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone actually arguing for BY from a “best for the system” perspective? For a reason other than change management (lazy) or international equivalency (irrelevant to 99.9999% of people on this thread)? I get that the currently RAE advantaged group wants to keep their advantage, and the currently RAE disadvantaged group wants to seize the advantage. The neutral reason for SY is eliminating trapped players. What is the neutral reason for BY?

BY separates age groups from school grade. This keeps youth soccer from slipping into the GY (graduation year) debate because the cutoff isn't associated with your grade in school in any way.

BY is easy to administer. Not confusing in any way.

BY doesn't have to address different school district start dates

BY is what currently exists. Changing to SY will mean updating all kinds of different club documents and marketing.

Ok....brave! Haven't seen someone try to advocate for splitting up school grades. Probably not alot of takers here for that but I applaud the effort. Not everyone should let common sense get in their way.

Separates age groups from school grade to avoid everything slipping into chaos and anarchy?? I'd polish it up a bit and come back to try again.

You asked why someone would advocate for BY and I provided a list of reasons. No polish is required.

The problem with sites like this one is that it suffers from group think. Everyone here seems to be approaching the subject from a what's in it for me perspective.

If you think from a club owners perspective BY makes a lot of sense. It's easy to administer, it already exists, etc. One aspect that parents don't consider is that clubs DO NOT want GY leagues. This is because if BY became SY which became GY then suddenly private schools could participate in leagues like ECNL. Private schools can give scholorships and buy winning teams. This would kill the currently pay to play model.

Make a little more sense now.

Your forgetting that clubs want the more money, aka higher participation, that comes with SY. Not easier to administer, they would be the same. But the already exists reason for nervous clubs afraid of change did push it out a year. Based on what is being said about the survey, clubs picked SY not BY

SY might be good for town or lower level rec leagues. But, once you cross into the competitive world nobody cares about playing with their friends at school anymore. Also coaches hold competitive tryouts every year and could care less who atrends which school or grade.

SY was picked over BY, BY mandate removed

Currently it's a league by league decision.

We'll see where it ends up.

Last month, BY was removed as a mandate. You should bet all your money on all the leagues sticking with BY.

There was no "mandate" leagues like MLSN allowed players to play down. Any league could have chosen to do the same thing.

ECNL just wants to throw it's weiner around in an attempt to look powerful. If ECNL wanted to let players play down they could have at any time. (Just like MLSN does now)

Youth soccer, including ECNL as a coalition, is standing up to the bully that US Soccer is. US Soccer brings virtually nothing to the table for kids but wants their lunch money.

Again, ECNL could have implemented biobanding (just like MLSN) at any time and there wouldn't be any "trapped" players.

US Soccer isn't a bully. ECNL leadership thinks that they're more important than they are.

It seems like ECNL stood up for all of youth soccer for change but without inside knowledge, I don't know it. All I can say is that youth soccer including ECNL stood to US Soccer.

There was nothing for ECNL to stand up to. ECNL could have implemented biobanding at any time just like MLS Next did. This would have eliminated trapped players.

This could have happened the day after everyone switched to BY in 2017. It could also happen tomorrow if ECNL wanted to.

You assume ECNL is leading the charge alone and not with the bulk of the other youth leagues in trying for school year and that US Soccer/MLS would allow biobanding/waivers for 40% of kids for ECNL. Seems a big stretch.

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone actually arguing for BY from a “best for the system” perspective? For a reason other than change management (lazy) or international equivalency (irrelevant to 99.9999% of people on this thread)? I get that the currently RAE advantaged group wants to keep their advantage, and the currently RAE disadvantaged group wants to seize the advantage. The neutral reason for SY is eliminating trapped players. What is the neutral reason for BY?

BY separates age groups from school grade. This keeps youth soccer from slipping into the GY (graduation year) debate because the cutoff isn't associated with your grade in school in any way.

BY is easy to administer. Not confusing in any way.

BY doesn't have to address different school district start dates

BY is what currently exists. Changing to SY will mean updating all kinds of different club documents and marketing.

Ok....brave! Haven't seen someone try to advocate for splitting up school grades. Probably not alot of takers here for that but I applaud the effort. Not everyone should let common sense get in their way.

Separates age groups from school grade to avoid everything slipping into chaos and anarchy?? I'd polish it up a bit and come back to try again.

You asked why someone would advocate for BY and I provided a list of reasons. No polish is required.

The problem with sites like this one is that it suffers from group think. Everyone here seems to be approaching the subject from a what's in it for me perspective.

If you think from a club owners perspective BY makes a lot of sense. It's easy to administer, it already exists, etc. One aspect that parents don't consider is that clubs DO NOT want GY leagues. This is because if BY became SY which became GY then suddenly private schools could participate in leagues like ECNL. Private schools can give scholorships and buy winning teams. This would kill the currently pay to play model.

Make a little more sense now.

Your forgetting that clubs want the more money, aka higher participation, that comes with SY. Not easier to administer, they would be the same. But the already exists reason for nervous clubs afraid of change did push it out a year. Based on what is being said about the survey, clubs picked SY not BY

SY might be good for town or lower level rec leagues. But, once you cross into the competitive world nobody cares about playing with their friends at school anymore. Also coaches hold competitive tryouts every year and could care less who atrends which school or grade.

SY was picked over BY, BY mandate removed

Currently it's a league by league decision.

We'll see where it ends up.

Last month, BY was removed as a mandate. You should bet all your money on all the leagues sticking with BY.

There was no "mandate" leagues like MLSN allowed players to play down. Any league could have chosen to do the same thing.

ECNL just wants to throw it's weiner around in an attempt to look powerful. If ECNL wanted to let players play down they could have at any time. (Just like MLSN does now)

Youth soccer, including ECNL as a coalition, is standing up to the bully that US Soccer is. US Soccer brings virtually nothing to the table for kids but wants their lunch money.

Again, ECNL could have implemented biobanding (just like MLSN) at any time and there wouldn't be any "trapped" players.

US Soccer isn't a bully. ECNL leadership thinks that they're more important than they are.

It seems like ECNL stood up for all of youth soccer for change but without inside knowledge, I don't know it. All I can say is that youth soccer including ECNL stood to US Soccer.

There was nothing for ECNL to stand up to. ECNL could have implemented biobanding at any time just like MLS Next did. This would have eliminated trapped players.

This could have happened the day after everyone switched to BY in 2017. It could also happen tomorrow if ECNL wanted to.

Why don’t they do that?

Million dollar question.

All the ECNL antics seem ridiculous when you discover that they could have addressed trapped players in 2017 and they also could address it tomorrow if they wanted to.

I thought it was more the college recruitment argument, anyway? Playing with your grade, makes it easier on all for that, apparently.