All schools should offer an all-virtual option

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DP but here is a study on learning loss in the pandemic:

https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/public-and-social-sector/our-insights/covid-19-and-education-the-lingering-effects-of-unfinished-learning" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/public-and-social-sector/our-insights/covid-19-and-education-the-lingering-effects-of-unfinished-learning

Which shows that in-person learning should be an option widely available. It doesn't say that a form of virtual learning should not be available. And we're talking on a public education forum, so if your answer is to go private then I'm not interested.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP but here is a study on learning loss in the pandemic:

https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/public-and-social-sector/our-insights/covid-19-and-education-the-lingering-effects-of-unfinished-learning" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/public-and-social-sector/our-insights/covid-19-and-education-the-lingering-effects-of-unfinished-learning

Which shows that in-person learning should be an option widely available. It doesn't say that a form of virtual learning should not be available. And we're talking on a public education forum, so if your answer is to go private then I'm not interested.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP but here is a study on learning loss in the pandemic:

https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/public-and-social-sector/our-insights/covid-19-and-education-the-lingering-effects-of-unfinished-learning" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/public-and-social-sector/our-insights/covid-19-and-education-the-lingering-effects-of-unfinished-learning

Which shows that in-person learning should be an option widely available. It doesn't say that a form of virtual learning should not be available. And we're talking on a public education forum, so if your answer is to go private then I'm not interested.

But requiring a school to devote resources to virtual learning makes it harder for that school to provide in-person learning. It's not a zero-sum game, having teachers teach virtual students means (a) larger class sizes for those in-person, (b) fewer spots in-person for those who want it, or (c) both.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP but here is a study on learning loss in the pandemic:

https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/public-and-social-sector/our-insights/covid-19-and-education-the-lingering-effects-of-unfinished-learning" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/public-and-social-sector/our-insights/covid-19-and-education-the-lingering-effects-of-unfinished-learning

Which shows that in-person learning should be an option widely available. It doesn't say that a form of virtual learning should not be available. And we're talking on a public education forum, so if your answer is to go private then I'm not interested.

But requiring a school to devote resources to virtual learning makes it harder for that school to provide in-person learning. It's not a zero-sum game, having teachers teach virtual students means (a) larger class sizes for those in-person, (b) fewer spots in-person for those who want it, or (c) both.

I'll say it again.

I'm not advocating for teachers doing simultaneous in-person and remote. Whoever came up with that idea needs to not work in education.

I'm not advocating for each school to handle it on their own. I get that it would be to disruptive.

I'm advocating for DCPS to figure out something centralized or maybe clustered to allow it to work. The only thing standing in the way of that is planning and bureaucracy. Oh, and people trying to take advantage of the situation to harm public education. Those ghouls can piss off.

[Anonymous]

So I'm afraid of reading all 43 pages...but what is the objection to a central online school? That people would lose spots in their other schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So I'm afraid of reading all 43 pages...but what is the objection to a central online school? That people would lose spots in their other schools?

The OP wants a virtual school at every school, not a central online school. No one GAF about a central online school. The OP does not want to take their kid out of their current school b/c the kid would lose their OOB spot. Many have recommended other virtual options to the OP. The OP does not like these options. The OP does not grasp why a virtual option at every school is resource-intensive, inefficient, and inequitable. The OP thinks that spamming about delta will magically change things.

Fin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So I'm afraid of reading all 43 pages...but what is the objection to a central online school? That people would lose spots in their other schools?

The OP wants a virtual school at every school, not a central online school. No one GAF about a central online school. The OP does not want to take their kid out of their current school b/c the kid would lose their OOB spot. Many have recommended other virtual options to the OP. The OP does not like these options. The OP does not grasp why a virtual option at every school is resource-intensive, inefficient, and inequitable. The OP thinks that spamming about delta will magically change things.

Fin.

Thanks! I also didn't want to read 43 pages.

Also, I wonder if this is the new PK parent at my school who is pushing for this....I hope not, they don't realize that virtual PK is completely useless.

[Anonymous]

The same people who are saying that virtual instruction (basically...homeschooling with video chat) worked well for them last year are now saying that homeschooling will not work well for them this year BECAUSE OF THE EXPENSE.

Oh are you going to have to hire a teacher/buy a curriculum and spend money, just like the rest of us had to do last year to get childcare?

Suddenly the expense seems unreasonable to you (even though there are extremely cheap options which require more work)?

I am sorry, this is the most delicious irony, and I am here for it.

[Anonymous]

Like now that YOU have to shell out some small amount of money, it's unreasonable? looooool

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP but here is a study on learning loss in the pandemic:

https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/public-and-social-sector/our-insights/covid-19-and-education-the-lingering-effects-of-unfinished-learning" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/public-and-social-sector/our-insights/covid-19-and-education-the-lingering-effects-of-unfinished-learning

Which shows that in-person learning should be an option widely available. It doesn't say that a form of virtual learning should not be available. And we're talking on a public education forum, so if your answer is to go private then I'm not interested.

But requiring a school to devote resources to virtual learning makes it harder for that school to provide in-person learning. It's not a zero-sum game, having teachers teach virtual students means (a) larger class sizes for those in-person, (b) fewer spots in-person for those who want it, or (c) both.

I'll say it again.

I'm not advocating for teachers doing simultaneous in-person and remote. Whoever came up with that idea needs to not work in education.

I'm not advocating for each school to handle it on their own. I get that it would be to disruptive.

I'm advocating for DCPS to figure out something centralized or maybe clustered to allow it to work. The only thing standing in the way of that is planning and bureaucracy. Oh, and people trying to take advantage of the situation to harm public education. Those ghouls can piss off.

I do hear what you are saying and understand that in a perfect world with all parents being engaged in their child’s education DCPS could make an open enrollment virtual academy. I really do. There are realities within the district and the population of students they serve that do not make this a prudent choice for the well being of kids. I’ve written this several times on several threads. Kids fell through the cracks for a year with no adult laying eyes on them. This cannot happen again. Perhaps a more affluent district could pull off an open enrollment virtual school and ensure student learning and wel being. DCPS cannot do that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I also don't trust you because there are people actively trying to bust up public education. You either are them or are somehow strangely aligned with them.

And did anyone else appreciate the sublime irony of this comment? She's accusing someone of being a shill for charter schools (school choice!) at the same time she is requesting a school choice for herself.

[Anonymous]

I work with poor kids in SE as a case manager.

In-person school is incredibly protective for most poor kids--it's safe, structured, and in Covid times--it is far, far more likely to result in learning. There were thousands of kids (many on my caseload) who logged in very infrequently these past 18 months. They were enrolled in DCPS but there
was no parental oversight so they maybe checked in once or twice a month or once or twice the entire year. These kids need to be in school or they will go years without learning anything. There parents do not necessarily make the best decisions for their kids. Some do. Others would choose
virtual because it is easier or because they have the best intent of monitoring learning but the reality is that it just didn't happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP but here is a study on learning loss in the pandemic:

https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/public-and-social-sector/our-insights/covid-19-and-education-the-lingering-effects-of-unfinished-learning" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/public-and-social-sector/our-insights/covid-19-and-education-the-lingering-effects-of-unfinished-learning

Which shows that in-person learning should be an option widely available. It doesn't say that a form of virtual learning should not be available. And we're talking on a public education forum, so if your answer is to go private then I'm not interested.

But requiring a school to devote resources to virtual learning makes it harder for that school to provide in-person learning. It's not a zero-sum game, having teachers teach virtual students means (a) larger class sizes for those in-person, (b) fewer spots in-person for those who want it, or (c) both.

I'll say it again.

I'm not advocating for teachers doing simultaneous in-person and remote. Whoever came up with that idea needs to not work in education.

I'm not advocating for each school to handle it on their own. I get that it would be to disruptive.

I'm advocating for DCPS to figure out something centralized or maybe clustered to allow it to work. The only thing standing in the way of that is planning and bureaucracy. Oh, and people trying to take advantage of the situation to harm public education. Those ghouls can piss off.

I do hear what you are saying and understand that in a perfect world with all parents being engaged in their child’s education DCPS could make an open enrollment virtual academy. I really do. There are realities within the district and the population of students they serve that do not make this a prudent choice for the well being of kids. I’ve written this several times on several threads. Kids fell through the cracks for a year with no adult laying eyes on them. This cannot happen again. Perhaps a more affluent district could pull off an open enrollment virtual school and ensure student learning and wel being. DCPS cannot do that.

Case manager again. This was not my post but it mirrors exactly what I see. I don't think many of you know the degree of household chaos that many DC kids live in. Many of you should take a ride with me someday. You would be amazed and heartbroken. These kids need to be in school. Their parents frankly can't be trusted
to make education decisions for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The same people who are saying that virtual instruction (basically...homeschooling with video chat) worked well for them last year are now saying that homeschooling will not work well for them this year BECAUSE OF THE EXPENSE.

Oh are you going to have to hire a teacher/buy a curriculum and spend money, just like the rest of us had to do last year to get childcare?

Suddenly the expense seems unreasonable to you (even though there are extremely cheap options which require more work)?

I am sorry, this is the most delicious irony, and I am here for it.

I can go through all the deliciously ironic things the OP has argued on this thread. My favorite was that it is "not equitable" for there to NOT be a virtual option at every school. Like she actually tried to suggest she was getting short-changed in the resource department. Because we all know that people who can choose to stay home with their kids full-time are really hurting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I also don't trust you because there are people actively trying to bust up public education. You either are them or are somehow strangely aligned with them.

And did anyone else appreciate the sublime irony of this comment? She's accusing someone of being a shill for charter schools (school choice!) at the same time she is requesting a school choice for herself.

This is a tangent, but since you are so confused: School choice doesn't have to be the same thing as privatization. It can be used to bust up public education in favor of privatization, but you can also have school choice within a public (non-privatized) sector.