All schools should offer an all-virtual option

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Anonymous wrote:To the poster saying “nobody is arguing against virtual, only against all schools having virtual” - please review the last 20 pages of this thread. Most virtual proponents and I think every one on this thread in the past few dozen pages want a virtual *option* and in some cases not to lose OOB spots (that’s not my position). So there are a few people including those with very high risk (vaccinated! But it doesn’t always take in immunocompromised and some cannot medically get) family members at home. And it’s been pages of vitriol from the IPL set here, so angry, blaming everyone who wants a virtual option now for school closures last year. I can tell you some of the people who want to ban virtual for everyone are getting their info from Emily Oster who is the science equivalent of Geraldo Rivera. The real sources tell us that much is not known about delta but what is suspected is that it is very hard on kids. It’s not anxiety to want a virtual option for the 5 or so months until the under 12 set can be vaccinated. Period.


I love that you are citing Emily Oster as a bad source.


Yeah, randomly pooping on Emily Oster makes me think you are LESS of a person to be listened to.



this tells me PP is in that twitter echo chamber where any cost-benefit analysis is KILLING BABIESZZ!
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Yes exactly. Private and parochial schools have flexibility a city wide school district don’t have. Would love to see examples of other districts with 50k + students completing overhauling their schedules, their school buildings and infrastructure mid year. 18 months and You still don’t know what you’re talking about


I'm the PP who said I was lobbying for things like outdoor school and shortened days last fall and was told it was not possible. You are incorrect, and the fact that you view this as "completely overhauling" schedules, buildings, and infrastructure is a huge part of the problem.

A shortened school day is not a complete overhaul. It's called early release, and it's really straightforward for elementary school students. It does not even require much adjustment to schedule. You do morning schedule as planned, and then release before lunch time. You drop specials if necessary, or turn them into a virtual program or home study (send kids home with art supplies, provide a Spanish lesson virtually, assign them a PE activity, etc.).

For kids who live far from the school or whose parents cannot pick them up midday (which will be a much smaller subset of the total school population) you provide a CARES classroom type setting that is focused on outdoor play. Fewer kids, mostly outdoors, and you are addressing most of the concerns. To address food insecurity, school lunch is a bag lunch (which is what we are doing this year anyway) and kids can take it home or eat it in the CARES environment, but you avoid the lunchroom unmasked issues.

Outdoor school is harder but making outdoor time a priority is not. If possible set up tents, and then tell teachers to do class outdoors whenever possible. The end. If it's not possible, you're indoors and you rely on masks. With a shortened day, this isn't that big of a deal.

It is cheaper to provide children with outdoor gear (coats, hats, mittens, etc.) than to provide everyone with a device and ensure they all have access to the internet and a place to do virtual school. Ask me how I know this!

Everyone who told me last year that my suggestions were unrealistic? I am not interested in your input anymore. Most of what I suggested last summer and fall in order to get kids into school, other than the shortened day, has either already been implemented in the spring or is being implemented this year. Thing how ahead of the game we'd be if we'd done it last year instead of spending most of last year trying to make DL work for kids. Including tons of kids who it was NEVER GOING TO WORK FOR -- very young students, housing insecure kids, kids with IEPs that cannot be accommodated virtually, kids whose parents work full time and cannot afford childcare, etc.

Everyone telling me that what I asked for was unrealistic: what we actually did was unrealistic. Which is why we are now in a situation where if these kids don't get into a classroom now, during a surge and a variant that seems to be impacting kids more, we're in a dire situation.

It's time to be quiet. Figure out what works for your family. If that's homeschooling, great. If it's just keeping them home after school starts in protest agains not getting a virtual option, go for it. I will support you. I'm fine with a centralized virtual option open to some percentage of the district's kids (I think it should be capped and I do think you should have to have a reason, though I don't think it should be restricted to kids with a proven health condition). But let schools pivot and make this work. It's possible -- schools have been doing this all over the world for 18 months! Let's learn from them and figure it out.


This. Why is it that other countries were able to be so much more flexible? Germany for instance (not known for its lack of bureaucracy), was able to simply half classes and pivot to a schedule where A and B groups would attend on alternating days, when it was deemed necessary for social distancing. And they were able to do this quickly and flexibly. The quick pivots obviously sucked for parents, but not more than simply keeping schools closed completely.


As someone who wants my kids to be in class but doesn’t feel comfortable, I would LOVE this. We recently pivoted to virtual after reading DCPS mitigation efforts, but virtual will be a sad second-best option. We hope to be back soon.

But the reason we’re here is in large part because we have no social net to support families during this, and also because parents demanded nothing less than 100% 5 days a week school because we lack that social net. Now we’re in this crappy binary of either have schools open entirely at max capacity, and 50% of unvaxxed children will get covid within three months, or classrooms shut down because of exposures.


I am the PP you are responding to. I strongly disagree that the parents “who demanded nothing less than 100% 5 days a week” are to blame for this sort of solution never even been considered here. I am sure many of them would have gladly taken that over nothing. (Although I do agree with the argument that this sort of hybrid approach is probably the worst for Covid spread, because it forces kids into a multitude of different childcare situations on the off days.) Also, please explain to me how the lack of a social safety net made this approach impossible here but allowed for keeping schools completely closed, leaving families with no support whatsoever.
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^^ No, I’m agreeing with you — lack of social safety net is making people demand nothing less than 100% 5 days a week. People have to work, kids need care.

I wish there were middle ground options.
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I agree. It's the future of education anyway.



Disagree. If there's anything we've learned about isolated virtual work and education it's how much our mental health depends on socialization.
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