Who said there isn't a North-South divide?

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Anonymous wrote:Of course it would move the needle. Giving the lower income kids access to more classroom materials and technology, more educational clubs, more enrichment, more this and more that exposes them to new things. Why do you think NA schools enjoy them - they are enriching! They raise expectations and help kids understand the possibilities in the world. If a kid with parents lacking even a high school education is exposed to the enrichment and resources money brings - they are more likely to work hard and study to get that dream for themselves. It isn't handed to them on a silver platter in SA, it is in most of NA. The immigrant children in lower income housing want the American dream, they want it bad. Expose them to it to help them get there. They will work to the bone to get there - that is what makes America GREAT!

Says the grandchild of immigrants who got exposure to that American dream and then worked to the bone to get it. There is not a single person on that side of my family who is now anything but educated with advanced degrees.

DP. Let's say we give each of the Title I elementary schools an extra $80k in their budgets to make up the difference between what their PTAs can fundraise and what the typical NA PTA can fundraise. For those schools, that represents 1% or less of their annual budget. If that could meaningfully close the achievement gap, I think most people would support throwing an extra $640k per year that way. But let's get serious, $80k isn't going to move the needle at schools like Randolph ($7.4 million budget for FY 2019) or Carlin Springs ($9.2 million for FY 2019). What those extra PTA dollars are really a proxy for is parental involvement/resources. More money tends to correlate with more time and flexibility to give to children both in school and out, and with the money/time to devote to getting their children any additional help they need that the school can't/won't provide. An extra $80k of PTA money can't substitute for that.

One of our kids is a case in point. He was having some issues at school that seemed like big red flags to us, but because he tested above grade level the school declined to evaluate him for special education. Between evaluations and therapies (which we decided to do privately rather than battle the school), over the course of a year we spent over $10k out of pocket to get him the help we needed, and I personally put well over 500 hours into going to therapies, working with him at home, etc., over that same year. The need for therapies has decreased since that first year so it's not so much on an ongoing basis, but it's still a few thousand a year and probably a dozen hours a month of my time. If we didn't have the time and money to put into that, our kid would be struggling more and more until he was failing and the school finally had to acknowledge there was a problem. No amount of PTA money could help our situation, but our ability to give our PTA about $1,000 a year between all of the various fundraisers and me giving time to chair fundraisers that collectively raise another five figures reflects the same underlying privilege that did help our son.

+1.

Bits of the truth lie in each poster's responses. Additional resources absolutely provide more opportunities which all help "move the needle" and provide learning experiences beyond teaching to the tests which is a much stronger focus in our highest FRL schools. But interactions and influences with socioeconomically diverse peers move the needle even more. But the needle can only move so far until the child becomes English-proficient. Regular interaction with English-proficient classmates would help facilitate the acquisition of English skills. Remaining surrounded by family, neighbors, and classmates who all speak the same non-English language doesn't.

But Arlington has made a social pact with those communities predicated on them not integrating.

You know it’s true. Talento will happily tell you how it is.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course it would move the needle. Giving the lower income kids access to more classroom materials and technology, more educational clubs, more enrichment, more this and more that exposes them to new things. Why do you think NA schools enjoy them - they are enriching! They raise expectations and help kids understand the possibilities in the world. If a kid with parents lacking even a high school education is exposed to the enrichment and resources money brings - they are more likely to work hard and study to get that dream for themselves. It isn't handed to them on a silver platter in SA, it is in most of NA. The immigrant children in lower income housing want the American dream, they want it bad. Expose them to it to help them get there. They will work to the bone to get there - that is what makes America GREAT!

Says the grandchild of immigrants who got exposure to that American dream and then worked to the bone to get it. There is not a single person on that side of my family who is now anything but educated with advanced degrees.

DP. Let's say we give each of the Title I elementary schools an extra $80k in their budgets to make up the difference between what their PTAs can fundraise and what the typical NA PTA can fundraise. For those schools, that represents 1% or less of their annual budget. If that could meaningfully close the achievement gap, I think most people would support throwing an extra $640k per year that way. But let's get serious, $80k isn't going to move the needle at schools like Randolph ($7.4 million budget for FY 2019) or Carlin Springs ($9.2 million for FY 2019). What those extra PTA dollars are really a proxy for is parental involvement/resources. More money tends to correlate with more time and flexibility to give to children both in school and out, and with the money/time to devote to getting their children any additional help they need that the school can't/won't provide. An extra $80k of PTA money can't substitute for that.

One of our kids is a case in point. He was having some issues at school that seemed like big red flags to us, but because he tested above grade level the school declined to evaluate him for special education. Between evaluations and therapies (which we decided to do privately rather than battle the school), over the course of a year we spent over $10k out of pocket to get him the help we needed, and I personally put well over 500 hours into going to therapies, working with him at home, etc., over that same year. The need for therapies has decreased since that first year so it's not so much on an ongoing basis, but it's still a few thousand a year and probably a dozen hours a month of my time. If we didn't have the time and money to put into that, our kid would be struggling more and more until he was failing and the school finally had to acknowledge there was a problem. No amount of PTA money could help our situation, but our ability to give our PTA about $1,000 a year between all of the various fundraisers and me giving time to chair fundraisers that collectively raise another five figures reflects the same underlying privilege that did help our son.

+1.

Bits of the truth lie in each poster's responses. Additional resources absolutely provide more opportunities which all help "move the needle" and provide learning experiences beyond teaching to the tests which is a much stronger focus in our highest FRL schools. But interactions and influences with socioeconomically diverse peers move the needle even more. But the needle can only move so far until the child becomes English-proficient. Regular interaction with English-proficient classmates would help facilitate the acquisition of English skills. Remaining surrounded by family, neighbors, and classmates who all speak the same non-English language doesn't.

But Arlington has made a social pact with those communities predicated on them not integrating.

You know it’s true. Talento will happily tell you how it is.

Yep, when you buy a house in North Arlington, there's a covenant in the deed where the county guarantees your elementary school will never be over a certain % FARMS.

Or maybe at least some of those people bought in those neighborhoods because the houses were nice and the schools were good, and didn't come to understand the broader socioeconomic dynamics of Arlington until they had already bought the house. If people can buy in the Randolph zone without realizing just how much of an impact the high FARMS rate has, is it not possible that NA parents were similarly ignorant about school inequality when they bought, especially if they didn't even have kids yet and were only doing a cursory check on school quality before buying based on things like commute?

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Anonymous wrote:I have been following these threads for a bit and probably shouldn't engage, but I feel compelled. Reading these threads fills me with an odd mixture of bewilderment, amusement, and dread. Maybe it's basic human instinct, but I just don't understand the need to demonize parents simply based on which side of Rt. 50 they live. I don't understand how something as seemingly simple as quality education for all our children brings out the very worst in people. Maybe it's the anonymity, but I cringe reading some of the terrible things stated here.

It's simple. Rich people north of 50 think they have grounds for clamoring for good schools, but somehow their culturally equivalent slightly less wealthy peers in SA are supposed to F off. Move or shut up, don't threaten the political compact that says NA is for the rich, SA for the poor.

This is a good example of part of the problem. When people are branded wholesale as assholes regardless of what they say or do, they tend to check out and not want to make personal sacrifices to help the people spitting on them.

And to honest, I'd rather be helping the ESL kids in Title I schools than the white pseudo-SJW trying to piggy-back off their pain.

Wanna help? Move there. Oh, you'd rather stay in a high performing school zone and just throw money at the problem? THAT is the problem, not SA parents agitating for integrated schools.

Nope, moving there wouldn't help the ESL kids at all. It would help the SA homeowners with buyer's remorse who bought in Title 1 school zones.

Yes, it would. The problem is the status quo: the belief that SA should stay how it is, so that NA can stay how it is. It's only with that mindset that the PP comment about buyers remorse makes sense. That somehow SA homeowners have no right to buy a house there and agitate for better schools. That somehow, "you get what u pay for." And nothing can change, ever. That's a mindset that makes perfect sense to NA people who paid a premium to avoid socioeconomically integrated schools and perceive SA efforts to have that very thing as underhanded, a short cut, a bail out etc. they think SA parents want the same thing they did and paid for. We don't. We want something different, and frankly, better for everyone.

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You only buy in SA if you can’t afford NA. Plain and simple truth.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course it would move the needle. Giving the lower income kids access to more classroom materials and technology, more educational clubs, more enrichment, more this and more that exposes them to new things. Why do you think NA schools enjoy them - they are enriching! They raise expectations and help kids understand the possibilities in the world. If a kid with parents lacking even a high school education is exposed to the enrichment and resources money brings - they are more likely to work hard and study to get that dream for themselves. It isn't handed to them on a silver platter in SA, it is in most of NA. The immigrant children in lower income housing want the American dream, they want it bad. Expose them to it to help them get there. They will work to the bone to get there - that is what makes America GREAT!

Says the grandchild of immigrants who got exposure to that American dream and then worked to the bone to get it. There is not a single person on that side of my family who is now anything but educated with advanced degrees.

DP. Let's say we give each of the Title I elementary schools an extra $80k in their budgets to make up the difference between what their PTAs can fundraise and what the typical NA PTA can fundraise. For those schools, that represents 1% or less of their annual budget. If that could meaningfully close the achievement gap, I think most people would support throwing an extra $640k per year that way. But let's get serious, $80k isn't going to move the needle at schools like Randolph ($7.4 million budget for FY 2019) or Carlin Springs ($9.2 million for FY 2019). What those extra PTA dollars are really a proxy for is parental involvement/resources. More money tends to correlate with more time and flexibility to give to children both in school and out, and with the money/time to devote to getting their children any additional help they need that the school can't/won't provide. An extra $80k of PTA money can't substitute for that.

One of our kids is a case in point. He was having some issues at school that seemed like big red flags to us, but because he tested above grade level the school declined to evaluate him for special education. Between evaluations and therapies (which we decided to do privately rather than battle the school), over the course of a year we spent over $10k out of pocket to get him the help we needed, and I personally put well over 500 hours into going to therapies, working with him at home, etc., over that same year. The need for therapies has decreased since that first year so it's not so much on an ongoing basis, but it's still a few thousand a year and probably a dozen hours a month of my time. If we didn't have the time and money to put into that, our kid would be struggling more and more until he was failing and the school finally had to acknowledge there was a problem. No amount of PTA money could help our situation, but our ability to give our PTA about $1,000 a year between all of the various fundraisers and me giving time to chair fundraisers that collectively raise another five figures reflects the same underlying privilege that did help our son.

+1.

Bits of the truth lie in each poster's responses. Additional resources absolutely provide more opportunities which all help "move the needle" and provide learning experiences beyond teaching to the tests which is a much stronger focus in our highest FRL schools. But interactions and influences with socioeconomically diverse peers move the needle even more. But the needle can only move so far until the child becomes English-proficient. Regular interaction with English-proficient classmates would help facilitate the acquisition of English skills. Remaining surrounded by family, neighbors, and classmates who all speak the same non-English language doesn't.

But Arlington has made a social pact with those communities predicated on them not integrating.

You know it’s true. Talento will happily tell you how it is.

Yes, you can CHOOSE to leave - like she did - IF you are able; otherwise, being with "your community" is critical and it doesn't matter what south Arlington residents who are not part of "your community" think or feel or are impacted.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been following these threads for a bit and probably shouldn't engage, but I feel compelled. Reading these threads fills me with an odd mixture of bewilderment, amusement, and dread. Maybe it's basic human instinct, but I just don't understand the need to demonize parents simply based on which side of Rt. 50 they live. I don't understand how something as seemingly simple as quality education for all our children brings out the very worst in people. Maybe it's the anonymity, but I cringe reading some of the terrible things stated here.

It's simple. Rich people north of 50 think they have grounds for clamoring for good schools, but somehow their culturally equivalent slightly less wealthy peers in SA are supposed to F off. Move or shut up, don't threaten the political compact that says NA is for the rich, SA for the poor.

This is a good example of part of the problem. When people are branded wholesale as assholes regardless of what they say or do, they tend to check out and not want to make personal sacrifices to help the people spitting on them.

And to honest, I'd rather be helping the ESL kids in Title I schools than the white pseudo-SJW trying to piggy-back off their pain.

Wanna help? Move there. Oh, you'd rather stay in a high performing school zone and just throw money at the problem? THAT is the problem, not SA parents agitating for integrated schools.

Nope, moving there wouldn't help the ESL kids at all. It would help the SA homeowners with buyer's remorse who bought in Title 1 school zones.

Yes, it would. The problem is the status quo: the belief that SA should stay how it is, so that NA can stay how it is. It's only with that mindset that the PP comment about buyers remorse makes sense. That somehow SA homeowners have no right to buy a house there and agitate for better schools. That somehow, "you get what u pay for." And nothing can change, ever. That's a mindset that makes perfect sense to NA people who paid a premium to avoid socioeconomically integrated schools and perceive SA efforts to have that very thing as underhanded, a short cut, a bail out etc. they think SA parents want the same thing they did and paid for. We don't. We want something different, and frankly, better for everyone.

The rest of the county should not have to go through crazy transit gyrations to fix your mistake.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been following these threads for a bit and probably shouldn't engage, but I feel compelled. Reading these threads fills me with an odd mixture of bewilderment, amusement, and dread. Maybe it's basic human instinct, but I just don't understand the need to demonize parents simply based on which side of Rt. 50 they live. I don't understand how something as seemingly simple as quality education for all our children brings out the very worst in people. Maybe it's the anonymity, but I cringe reading some of the terrible things stated here.

It's simple. Rich people north of 50 think they have grounds for clamoring for good schools, but somehow their culturally equivalent slightly less wealthy peers in SA are supposed to F off. Move or shut up, don't threaten the political compact that says NA is for the rich, SA for the poor.

This is a good example of part of the problem. When people are branded wholesale as assholes regardless of what they say or do, they tend to check out and not want to make personal sacrifices to help the people spitting on them.

And to honest, I'd rather be helping the ESL kids in Title I schools than the white pseudo-SJW trying to piggy-back off their pain.

Wanna help? Move there. Oh, you'd rather stay in a high performing school zone and just throw money at the problem? THAT is the problem, not SA parents agitating for integrated schools.

Nope, moving there wouldn't help the ESL kids at all. It would help the SA homeowners with buyer's remorse who bought in Title 1 school zones.

Yes, it would. The problem is the status quo: the belief that SA should stay how it is, so that NA can stay how it is. It's only with that mindset that the PP comment about buyers remorse makes sense. That somehow SA homeowners have no right to buy a house there and agitate for better schools. That somehow, "you get what u pay for." And nothing can change, ever. That's a mindset that makes perfect sense to NA people who paid a premium to avoid socioeconomically integrated schools and perceive SA efforts to have that very thing as underhanded, a short cut, a bail out etc. they think SA parents want the same thing they did and paid for. We don't. We want something different, and frankly, better for everyone.

I firmly believe that I pay the same for my $850-900K house that homeowners in north Arlington pay for their $850-900K house. So I don't buy the rationale behind the argument that you get what you pay for and that North Arlington has paid for "more" or "better." So I guess I simply GET less for my $850-900K because there are so many more rental units and homes that cost so much less in the south; and it's the people living in THOSE homes that are "getting what they paid for." Yet, I don't, merely because I purchased property south of route 50?

What NA has actually "bought" is a wealthy homogeneous voice that guarantees they will never have to give-up anything, including their sense of entitlement and superiority.

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Anonymous wrote:You only buy in SA if you can’t afford NA. Plain and simple truth.

For many, but not all. I've spoken with two different new neighbors just this past week who have professed quite the opposite. They both, in fact, specifically chose south Arlington. One of them even specifically targeted one of the high FRL schools, fully aware of the GS ratings. And if people like you making comments such as you did actually took the time to come south and talk to people, you would hear over and over again how they can, but choose not to, or wouldn't even if they could, move to the north.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been following these threads for a bit and probably shouldn't engage, but I feel compelled. Reading these threads fills me with an odd mixture of bewilderment, amusement, and dread. Maybe it's basic human instinct, but I just don't understand the need to demonize parents simply based on which side of Rt. 50 they live. I don't understand how something as seemingly simple as quality education for all our children brings out the very worst in people. Maybe it's the anonymity, but I cringe reading some of the terrible things stated here.

It's simple. Rich people north of 50 think they have grounds for clamoring for good schools, but somehow their culturally equivalent slightly less wealthy peers in SA are supposed to F off. Move or shut up, don't threaten the political compact that says NA is for the rich, SA for the poor.

This is a good example of part of the problem. When people are branded wholesale as assholes regardless of what they say or do, they tend to check out and not want to make personal sacrifices to help the people spitting on them.

And to honest, I'd rather be helping the ESL kids in Title I schools than the white pseudo-SJW trying to piggy-back off their pain.

Wanna help? Move there. Oh, you'd rather stay in a high performing school zone and just throw money at the problem? THAT is the problem, not SA parents agitating for integrated schools.

Nope, moving there wouldn't help the ESL kids at all. It would help the SA homeowners with buyer's remorse who bought in Title 1 school zones.

Yes, it would. The problem is the status quo: the belief that SA should stay how it is, so that NA can stay how it is. It's only with that mindset that the PP comment about buyers remorse makes sense. That somehow SA homeowners have no right to buy a house there and agitate for better schools. That somehow, "you get what u pay for." And nothing can change, ever. That's a mindset that makes perfect sense to NA people who paid a premium to avoid socioeconomically integrated schools and perceive SA efforts to have that very thing as underhanded, a short cut, a bail out etc. they think SA parents want the same thing they did and paid for. We don't. We want something different, and frankly, better for everyone.

The rest of the county should not have to go through crazy transit gyrations to fix your mistake.

And our entire County shouldn't have to keep paying more for you to keep it the way you already have it and want it. And Arlington students shouldn't have to lose out because of their parents' misconceptions, prejudices, narrow-mindedness, and self-centeredness. North kids are missing out, too.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been following these threads for a bit and probably shouldn't engage, but I feel compelled. Reading these threads fills me with an odd mixture of bewilderment, amusement, and dread. Maybe it's basic human instinct, but I just don't understand the need to demonize parents simply based on which side of Rt. 50 they live. I don't understand how something as seemingly simple as quality education for all our children brings out the very worst in people. Maybe it's the anonymity, but I cringe reading some of the terrible things stated here.

It's simple. Rich people north of 50 think they have grounds for clamoring for good schools, but somehow their culturally equivalent slightly less wealthy peers in SA are supposed to F off. Move or shut up, don't threaten the political compact that says NA is for the rich, SA for the poor.

This is a good example of part of the problem. When people are branded wholesale as assholes regardless of what they say or do, they tend to check out and not want to make personal sacrifices to help the people spitting on them.

And to honest, I'd rather be helping the ESL kids in Title I schools than the white pseudo-SJW trying to piggy-back off their pain.

Wanna help? Move there. Oh, you'd rather stay in a high performing school zone and just throw money at the problem? THAT is the problem, not SA parents agitating for integrated schools.

Nope, moving there wouldn't help the ESL kids at all. It would help the SA homeowners with buyer's remorse who bought in Title 1 school zones.

Yes, it would. The problem is the status quo: the belief that SA should stay how it is, so that NA can stay how it is. It's only with that mindset that the PP comment about buyers remorse makes sense. That somehow SA homeowners have no right to buy a house there and agitate for better schools. That somehow, "you get what u pay for." And nothing can change, ever. That's a mindset that makes perfect sense to NA people who paid a premium to avoid socioeconomically integrated schools and perceive SA efforts to have that very thing as underhanded, a short cut, a bail out etc. they think SA parents want the same thing they did and paid for. We don't. We want something different, and frankly, better for everyone.

I firmly believe that I pay the same for my $850-900K house that homeowners in north Arlington pay for their $850-900K house. So I don't buy the rationale behind the argument that you get what you pay for and that North Arlington has paid for "more" or "better." So I guess I simply GET less for my $850-900K because there are so many more rental units and homes that cost so much less in the south; and it's the people living in THOSE homes that are "getting what they paid for." Yet, I don't, merely because I purchased property south of route 50?

What NA has actually "bought" is a wealthy homogeneous voice that guarantees they will never have to give-up anything, including their sense of entitlement and superiority.

Plenty of people in NA (myself included) who paid much less than you did. It all depends on when they bought. What I paid doesn't matter. What you expect me to do to validate your housing decision? That matters.

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Anonymous wrote:You only buy in SA if you can’t afford NA. Plain and simple truth.

For many, but not all. I've spoken with two different new neighbors just this past week who have professed quite the opposite. They both, in fact, specifically chose south Arlington. One of them even specifically targeted one of the high FRL schools, fully aware of the GS ratings. And if people like you making comments such as you did actually took the time to come south and talk to people, you would hear over and over again how they can, but choose not to, or wouldn't even if they could, move to the north.

We are two working parents who bought what we could afford in a nice area that gives us both a short commute. That meant S. Arlington. Now, several years later, we are in a financial position to move North, but we are happily staying put. Perhaps it is because we are minorities, but we feel more comfortable in SA. We value education, but it is not THE defining value in our household. We also emphasize kindness, empathy, hard work, family time, bettering our community, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:You only buy in SA if you can’t afford NA. Plain and simple truth.

For many, but not all. I've spoken with two different new neighbors just this past week who have professed quite the opposite. They both, in fact, specifically chose south Arlington. One of them even specifically targeted one of the high FRL schools, fully aware of the GS ratings. And if people like you making comments such as you did actually took the time to come south and talk to people, you would hear over and over again how they can, but choose not to, or wouldn't even if they could, move to the north.

Yes.

We bought a house in SA for 1.2 million, and budgeted to pay 35K a year for private school for our kids, so we clearly could have afforded NA! Initially we made this choice because we prefer private school, and didn't want to "pay" for the good public schools. BUT I've come to LOVE South Arlington. The Pentagon City area is wonderful, the Whole Foods there is significantly nicer than the one in NA, we are much closer to Alexandria (Del Ray especially but also Old Town), and we still get the advantages Arlington County gives over Alexandria (better parks, good gymnastics program and great swim classes for the kids, good library system). We go to Shirlington all the time, and the dog park. And frankly, I love that our local playground on any random afternoon is up to 50% minority. It's important that my kids get exposure to people of different races and cultures (we are white).

We have neighbors in the same position as us.

South Arlington is not what it is made out to be on DCUM.

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Anonymous wrote:You only buy in SA if you can’t afford NA. Plain and simple truth.

True for some, not for all. Again, SA people are not all wannabes. I don't want to send my kid to a school where annual December ski vacations and trust funds are normative.

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Anonymous wrote:You only buy in SA if you can’t afford NA. Plain and simple truth.

For many, but not all. I've spoken with two different new neighbors just this past week who have professed quite the opposite. They both, in fact, specifically chose south Arlington. One of them even specifically targeted one of the high FRL schools, fully aware of the GS ratings. And if people like you making comments such as you did actually took the time to come south and talk to people, you would hear over and over again how they can, but choose not to, or wouldn't even if they could, move to the north.

DP. I assume those parents aren't shouting for APS to provide them with more option schools or busing north of 50 to get away from their high FRL schools.

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Anonymous wrote:You only buy in SA if you can’t afford NA. Plain and simple truth.

For many, but not all. I've spoken with two different new neighbors just this past week who have professed quite the opposite. They both, in fact, specifically chose south Arlington. One of them even specifically targeted one of the high FRL schools, fully aware of the GS ratings. And if people like you making comments such as you did actually took the time to come south and talk to people, you would hear over and over again how they can, but choose not to, or wouldn't even if they could, move to the north.

We are two working parents who bought what we could afford in a nice area that gives us both a short commute. That meant S. Arlington. Now, several years later, we are in a financial position to move North, but we are happily staying put. Perhaps it is because we are minorities, but we feel more comfortable in SA. We value education, but it is not THE defining value in our household. We also emphasize kindness, empathy, hard work, family time, bettering our community, etc.

Hmm, seems like things like "kindness" would include not engaging in stereotyping and maligning thousands of people you don't know.