Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

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Anonymous wrote:Now Fox Mill move to KAA in 3 of 4 scenarios, every FCPS residents should be concerned ans shocked.

Lol why?

Options C and D keep Discovery Square at Westfield instead of KAA--which is less than 2 miles away. I do not see this happening.

I see Option A or B with slight adjustments.

Most logical is option A--with addition of ALL Floris students.

That’s fair.

But why should FCPS residents be concerned and shocked about Fox Mill going to new school?

I don't see them sending Fox Mill unless they send all of Floris.
I don't see Meren (who seems to oppose KAA) voting to empty South Lakes of the neighborhoods given to South Lakes in the South Lakes Boundary Study. That would be two schools (or one and a half) removed from South Lakes--which is not overcrowded.

Oakton--which is approaching capacity--is a very long way from Franklin Farm (where most Crossfield kids live.)
The Crossfield neighborhoods are a short distance from KAA.
It eliminates the very long bus transportation required for Crossfield to Oakton.

KAA is in Sully District.
Oakton is in Providence, I think.
South Lakes is in Hunter Mill.
Franklin Farm (Crossfield students) is in Sully.
Floris students are Sully/Hunter Mill

Sully District SB member: Seema Dixit
Hunter Mill District SB: Melanie Meren
Providence: Karl Frisch--who has expressed concern about bus trip and potential overcrowding at Oakton

Here's a boundary proposal that night have support from various communities.

West of West Ox crossfield families go to KAA, East of West Ox crossfield families stay at Oakton HS.

This results in the west of West Ox crossfield families, Franklin Farm and neighbor communities all being happier with shorter bus rides.

East of West Ox crossfield family can stay at Oakton HS as the commute time is about same for them between KAA and Oakton HS.

So everybody is happy and relieved overcrowding issue in Oakton HS has great potentialto be resolved?

Crossfield family all happy now?

Crossfield would then feed Oakton/Western/South Lakes/Chantilly.

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Anonymous wrote:Franklin Farm's geography does not represent the whole of those situated inside Crossfield's borders.

Some Franklin Farm families far in the west are 10 min closer to KAA than Oakton. Some Franklin Farm families near west ox live within a few min difference between KAA and Oakton. It's a very very wide neighborhood

Other communities outside live only a couple min difference between KAA and Oakton.

A couple minutes ride difference is not conderation factor for the crossfield families that do not want to move. It's a total wash given where your kid is on the bus route. My kids friends ride the bus to their current school and have pickup times up to 40 minutes apart!

But for Franklin farm families that have been so outspoken it appears to be a matter of great concern. So the commute might make sense for the part off Franklin really close to KAA, if they're driving their kids to school, but most people use the bus to begin with.

Franklin farm's location can not be used as evaluation factor for ride difference and the ride difference is not significant at all due to the nature of bus routes since they meander all over the place.

You are either full of it or do not understand which homes are actually Franklin Farm. The distance to Oakton HS from the part of Franklin Farm closest to West Ox is 9-10 miles. Distance to KAA from there? 3-3.2 miles. You are also forgetting a little thing called rush hour traffic. Which commute is impacted more by that, do you think? And a bus doesn't have to "meander all over the place" when it's picking up a large number of kids from a small number of stops in one neighborhood and heading straight to the school.

Everyone's experience is different. If you are in a lower density neighborhood your kids bus doesn't fill up in one stop. It goes all over the place until full.

I just put in Google maps how long it takes from crossfield to oakton and to kaa. For those situated near crossfield itself it's a very different story for those in Franklin farm.

Oakton 15 min. Kaa 15 min. Try it yourself. You may understand that your experience is vastly different than others.

Again - the vast majority of kids who go to Crossfield live nowhere near Crossfield. There are elementary schools that are closer to our homes than Crossfield, too. I live closer to Oak Hill, Navy, and Fox Mill than I do to Crossfield.

People just blatantly lying now... I put it into google maps. It's 13 or 14 minutes from Crossfield to KAA depending on the route. 17-18 minutes to Oakton. Also, the route from Crossfield to KAA is all main roads where the route to Oakton is all back roads. Picking kids up spread out on back roads will take MUCH longer, and forget it if there's any inclement weather. Also, I live about as close as you can to Oakton and go to Crossfield. It still says it'll take 16-19 minutes to Oakton and 9-13 to KAA. This however wouldn't affect me because I'd plan to drive my kids to Oakton. I also prefer to stay at Oakton than go to a new and unknown school starting out as a complete cluster fnck. I can say, yes it would make more sense for us to go to the Western High School if it was only based on distance. I can also say I'd be pretty pissed because we moved from a house near the new Western High School 6 years ago in order to go to a better high school - Oakton.

I'm not lying. Look up any house in the western part of Crossfield boundaries and you will see that they are closer to Oak Hill, Navy, Fox Mill ES. I went to a brand new high school in the 90s and it was GREAT - all the good teachers wanted to work there because it was shiny and new and they had a chance to escape department chairs that were stuck in their ways and start new and fresh. From what I've heard, there is a lot of interest in the new school from high school teachers across the county. I don't have elite athletes, but I could imagine that there's similar interest from assistant coaches at local high schools - this is their chance to get out from under long-time coaches and start their own sports programs.

I will say that I wish they were waiting a year so that they could get construction done before there are students in the building, but personally I'm excited about the new school. I think it has the chance to become one of the better schools in Fairfax County!

It will be like Fairfax High, just further west.

This!

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It will be like Fairfax High, just further west.

What does this mean?

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Anonymous wrote:Franklin Farm's geography does not represent the whole of those situated inside Crossfield's borders.

Some Franklin Farm families far in the west are 10 min closer to KAA than Oakton. Some Franklin Farm families near west ox live within a few min difference between KAA and Oakton. It's a very very wide neighborhood

Other communities outside live only a couple min difference between KAA and Oakton.

A couple minutes ride difference is not conderation factor for the crossfield families that do not want to move. It's a total wash given where your kid is on the bus route. My kids friends ride the bus to their current school and have pickup times up to 40 minutes apart!

But for Franklin farm families that have been so outspoken it appears to be a matter of great concern. So the commute might make sense for the part off Franklin really close to KAA, if they're driving their kids to school, but most people use the bus to begin with.

Franklin farm's location can not be used as evaluation factor for ride difference and the ride difference is not significant at all due to the nature of bus routes since they meander all over the place.

You are either full of it or do not understand which homes are actually Franklin Farm. The distance to Oakton HS from the part of Franklin Farm closest to West Ox is 9-10 miles. Distance to KAA from there? 3-3.2 miles. You are also forgetting a little thing called rush hour traffic. Which commute is impacted more by that, do you think? And a bus doesn't have to "meander all over the place" when it's picking up a large number of kids from a small number of stops in one neighborhood and heading straight to the school.

Everyone's experience is different. If you are in a lower density neighborhood your kids bus doesn't fill up in one stop. It goes all over the place until full.

I just put in Google maps how long it takes from crossfield to oakton and to kaa. For those situated near crossfield itself it's a very different story for those in Franklin farm.

Oakton 15 min. Kaa 15 min. Try it yourself. You may understand that your experience is vastly different than others.

Again - the vast majority of kids who go to Crossfield live nowhere near Crossfield. There are elementary schools that are closer to our homes than Crossfield, too. I live closer to Oak Hill, Navy, and Fox Mill than I do to Crossfield.

People just blatantly lying now... I put it into google maps. It's 13 or 14 minutes from Crossfield to KAA depending on the route. 17-18 minutes to Oakton. Also, the route from Crossfield to KAA is all main roads where the route to Oakton is all back roads. Picking kids up spread out on back roads will take MUCH longer, and forget it if there's any inclement weather. Also, I live about as close as you can to Oakton and go to Crossfield. It still says it'll take 16-19 minutes to Oakton and 9-13 to KAA. This however wouldn't affect me because I'd plan to drive my kids to Oakton. I also prefer to stay at Oakton than go to a new and unknown school starting out as a complete cluster fnck. I can say, yes it would make more sense for us to go to the Western High School if it was only based on distance. I can also say I'd be pretty pissed because we moved from a house near the new Western High School 6 years ago in order to go to a better high school - Oakton.

I'm not lying. Look up any house in the western part of Crossfield boundaries and you will see that they are closer to Oak Hill, Navy, Fox Mill ES. I went to a brand new high school in the 90s and it was GREAT - all the good teachers wanted to work there because it was shiny and new and they had a chance to escape department chairs that were stuck in their ways and start new and fresh. From what I've heard, there is a lot of interest in the new school from high school teachers across the county. I don't have elite athletes, but I could imagine that there's similar interest from assistant coaches at local high schools - this is their chance to get out from under long-time coaches and start their own sports programs.

I will say that I wish they were waiting a year so that they could get construction done before there are students in the building, but personally I'm excited about the new school. I think it has the chance to become one of the better schools in Fairfax County!

It will be like Fairfax High, just further west.

Whoa you're right!

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It will be like Fairfax High, just further west.

What does this mean?

Fairfax High is funded by city of fairfax, but operated by FCPS. I don't know what that entails for teacher experience but maybe that's what poster was referring to, semi-independent?

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It will be like Fairfax High, just further west.

What does this mean?

Fairfax High is funded by city of fairfax, but operated by FCPS. I don't know what that entails for teacher experience but maybe that's what poster was referring to, semi-independent?

Not really. Expect it will be similar to Fairfax in these ways:

Slightly more affluent than average FCPS high school.

Nicer building than average FCPS high school.

Not considered a "top tier" school like Oakton, but perfectly fine w/ample opportunities and perhaps an academy.

Average to below average sports teams.

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Anonymous wrote:So it is not crossfield issue then, it is Franklin Farm issue.

Franklin Farm does not need to persuade anybody else that they want to go to KAA because of a shorter commute.

Franklin farm just needs to figure out what your whole community needs.

I'm a Franklin Farm resident. My neighbors need to get a grip. Western HS/KAA is going to be a dream school.

The only thing that might be crappy is for elite athletes who could be Varsity starters all four years of high school but who might not have access to Varsity-level sports at the new school in the first year or two.

Otherwise, it's a dream! New schools often draw top talent with regard to teachers and admin, the resources (e.g., robotics lab, ceramics lab, pool, and auditorium) available are top-tier, and the commute is significantly less scary for a teen driver.

Oakton has been great, as has Chantilly for the other side of Franklin Farm. I'm sure Western/KAA will be just as good.

Academy-wise, the best Western HS could do is perform close to Chantilly. I don't see Western HS coming out of the gate (next 10 years) and getting even close to Oakton level. There is no incentive for Oakton people to leave an excellent school and go to an unknown.

I see there are gains from quality of education for Fox Mills moving to Western HS. Let's go Option B.

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It will be like Fairfax High, just further west.

What does this mean?

Fairfax High is funded by city of fairfax, but operated by FCPS. I don't know what that entails for teacher experience but maybe that's what poster was referring to, semi-independent?

Not really. Expect it will be similar to Fairfax in these ways:

Slightly more affluent than average FCPS high school.

Nicer building than average FCPS high school.

Not considered a "top tier" school like Oakton, but perfectly fine w/ample opportunities and perhaps an academy.

Average to below average sports teams.

Oh, the horror! People way overestimate the importance of a particular high school in their children's future success. Work ethic and drive matter a whole lot more than anything else. Plenty of mediocre Oakton grads right in this area.

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Anonymous wrote:So it is not crossfield issue then, it is Franklin Farm issue.

Franklin Farm does not need to persuade anybody else that they want to go to KAA because of a shorter commute.

Franklin farm just needs to figure out what your whole community needs.

I'm a Franklin Farm resident. My neighbors need to get a grip. Western HS/KAA is going to be a dream school.

The only thing that might be crappy is for elite athletes who could be Varsity starters all four years of high school but who might not have access to Varsity-level sports at the new school in the first year or two.

Otherwise, it's a dream! New schools often draw top talent with regard to teachers and admin, the resources (e.g., robotics lab, ceramics lab, pool, and auditorium) available are top-tier, and the commute is significantly less scary for a teen driver.

Oakton has been great, as has Chantilly for the other side of Franklin Farm. I'm sure Western/KAA will be just as good.

Academy-wise, the best Western HS could do is perform close to Chantilly. I don't see Western HS coming out of the gate (next 10 years) and getting even close to Oakton level. There is no incentive for Oakton people to leave an excellent school and go to an unknown.

I see there are gains from quality of education for Fox Mills moving to Western HS. Let's go Option B.

Why do you feel you are deserving of some sort of incentive? This is a public school district. Boundary lines ought to be drawn in the way that is most practical. Where do you get the idea that your preferences should be a major factor? This is the entitlement people are talking about.

Why do people expect private school level of catering in a public district? This area is really awful about this. I prefer where I grew up where anyone who didn't like the public option just sucked it up and paid for private. Much less whining. Everyone got what they wanted because they researched the best option and paid for it.

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Anonymous wrote:So it is not crossfield issue then, it is Franklin Farm issue.

Franklin Farm does not need to persuade anybody else that they want to go to KAA because of a shorter commute.

Franklin farm just needs to figure out what your whole community needs.

I'm a Franklin Farm resident. My neighbors need to get a grip. Western HS/KAA is going to be a dream school.

The only thing that might be crappy is for elite athletes who could be Varsity starters all four years of high school but who might not have access to Varsity-level sports at the new school in the first year or two.

Otherwise, it's a dream! New schools often draw top talent with regard to teachers and admin, the resources (e.g., robotics lab, ceramics lab, pool, and auditorium) available are top-tier, and the commute is significantly less scary for a teen driver.

Oakton has been great, as has Chantilly for the other side of Franklin Farm. I'm sure Western/KAA will be just as good.

Academy-wise, the best Western HS could do is perform close to Chantilly. I don't see Western HS coming out of the gate (next 10 years) and getting even close to Oakton level. There is no incentive for Oakton people to leave an excellent school and go to an unknown.

I see there are gains from quality of education for Fox Mills moving to Western HS. Let's go Option B.

Why do you feel you are deserving of some sort of incentive? This is a public school district. Boundary lines ought to be drawn in the way that is most practical. Where do you get the idea that your preferences should be a major factor? This is the entitlement people are talking about.

Why do people expect private school level of catering in a public district? This area is really awful about this. I prefer where I grew up where anyone who didn't like the public option just sucked it up and paid for private. Much less whining. Everyone got what they wanted because they researched the best option and paid for it.

It's not what's best for the school district, it's what's best for the students.

Isn't quality of education important? Students in SLHS can't do AP, so they can't save college tuitions by taking AP in HS. Isn't that important?

Why moving a perfectly satisfied neighborhood to a new school when moving another neighborhood is advantageous to them?

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Anonymous wrote:So it is not crossfield issue then, it is Franklin Farm issue.

Franklin Farm does not need to persuade anybody else that they want to go to KAA because of a shorter commute.

Franklin farm just needs to figure out what your whole community needs.

I'm a Franklin Farm resident. My neighbors need to get a grip. Western HS/KAA is going to be a dream school.

The only thing that might be crappy is for elite athletes who could be Varsity starters all four years of high school but who might not have access to Varsity-level sports at the new school in the first year or two.

Otherwise, it's a dream! New schools often draw top talent with regard to teachers and admin, the resources (e.g., robotics lab, ceramics lab, pool, and auditorium) available are top-tier, and the commute is significantly less scary for a teen driver.

Oakton has been great, as has Chantilly for the other side of Franklin Farm. I'm sure Western/KAA will be just as good.

Academy-wise, the best Western HS could do is perform close to Chantilly. I don't see Western HS coming out of the gate (next 10 years) and getting even close to Oakton level. There is no incentive for Oakton people to leave an excellent school and go to an unknown.

I see there are gains from quality of education for Fox Mills moving to Western HS. Let's go Option B.

Why do you feel you are deserving of some sort of incentive? This is a public school district. Boundary lines ought to be drawn in the way that is most practical. Where do you get the idea that your preferences should be a major factor? This is the entitlement people are talking about.

Why do people expect private school level of catering in a public district? This area is really awful about this. I prefer where I grew up where anyone who didn't like the public option just sucked it up and paid for private. Much less whining. Everyone got what they wanted because they researched the best option and paid for it.

You think the public schools will improve when the families that can afford it go private? Such a naive little sprout.

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Anonymous wrote:So it is not crossfield issue then, it is Franklin Farm issue.

Franklin Farm does not need to persuade anybody else that they want to go to KAA because of a shorter commute.

Franklin farm just needs to figure out what your whole community needs.

I'm a Franklin Farm resident. My neighbors need to get a grip. Western HS/KAA is going to be a dream school.

The only thing that might be crappy is for elite athletes who could be Varsity starters all four years of high school but who might not have access to Varsity-level sports at the new school in the first year or two.

Otherwise, it's a dream! New schools often draw top talent with regard to teachers and admin, the resources (e.g., robotics lab, ceramics lab, pool, and auditorium) available are top-tier, and the commute is significantly less scary for a teen driver.

Oakton has been great, as has Chantilly for the other side of Franklin Farm. I'm sure Western/KAA will be just as good.

Academy-wise, the best Western HS could do is perform close to Chantilly. I don't see Western HS coming out of the gate (next 10 years) and getting even close to Oakton level. There is no incentive for Oakton people to leave an excellent school and go to an unknown.

I see there are gains from quality of education for Fox Mills moving to Western HS. Let's go Option B.

Why do you feel you are deserving of some sort of incentive? This is a public school district. Boundary lines ought to be drawn in the way that is most practical. Where do you get the idea that your preferences should be a major factor? This is the entitlement people are talking about.

Why do people expect private school level of catering in a public district? This area is really awful about this. I prefer where I grew up where anyone who didn't like the public option just sucked it up and paid for private. Much less whining. Everyone got what they wanted because they researched the best option and paid for it.

"Striving for the highest standards of performance, quality, and achievement for all students. It means setting innovative, creative, and ambitious goals, and working tirelessly to achieve them. In FCPS, we expect our students to set their sights on and reach for the stars, to never settle for mediocrity, and to always strive for excellence in all that they do. "

https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/leadership/district-performance-transparency/diversity-equity-inclusion/social-and

Those are FCPS's words, not mine, why not hold them to it? If you're in one of the richest counties in the nation, with a highly educated population, you should expect more out of your schools.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So it is not crossfield issue then, it is Franklin Farm issue.

Franklin Farm does not need to persuade anybody else that they want to go to KAA because of a shorter commute.

Franklin farm just needs to figure out what your whole community needs.

I'm a Franklin Farm resident. My neighbors need to get a grip. Western HS/KAA is going to be a dream school.

The only thing that might be crappy is for elite athletes who could be Varsity starters all four years of high school but who might not have access to Varsity-level sports at the new school in the first year or two.

Otherwise, it's a dream! New schools often draw top talent with regard to teachers and admin, the resources (e.g., robotics lab, ceramics lab, pool, and auditorium) available are top-tier, and the commute is significantly less scary for a teen driver.

Oakton has been great, as has Chantilly for the other side of Franklin Farm. I'm sure Western/KAA will be just as good.

Academy-wise, the best Western HS could do is perform close to Chantilly. I don't see Western HS coming out of the gate (next 10 years) and getting even close to Oakton level. There is no incentive for Oakton people to leave an excellent school and go to an unknown.

I see there are gains from quality of education for Fox Mills moving to Western HS. Let's go Option B.

Why do you feel you are deserving of some sort of incentive? This is a public school district. Boundary lines ought to be drawn in the way that is most practical. Where do you get the idea that your preferences should be a major factor? This is the entitlement people are talking about.

Why do people expect private school level of catering in a public district? This area is really awful about this. I prefer where I grew up where anyone who didn't like the public option just sucked it up and paid for private. Much less whining. Everyone got what they wanted because they researched the best option and paid for it.

"Striving for the highest standards of performance, quality, and achievement for all students. It means setting innovative, creative, and ambitious goals, and working tirelessly to achieve them. In FCPS, we expect our students to set their sights on and reach for the stars, to never settle for mediocrity, and to always strive for excellence in all that they do. "

https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/leadership/district-performance-transparency/diversity-equity-inclusion/social-and

Those are FCPS's words, not mine, why not hold them to it? If you're in one of the richest counties in the nation, with a highly educated population, you should expect more out of your schools.

Even the worst school districts say things like this. My town was highly educated — schools were still bad. People in the DC area are a uniquely demanding bunch. Not well liked in other parts of the country.

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Crossfield want to stay at Oakton HS for the same exactly reason Fox Mill want to leave SLHS for KAA: Academic Quality.

The difference is crossfield bought the house knowing their kids go to Oakton. Fox Mill bought the house knowing their kids go to SLHS. Now Fox Mill want to go to a school way better than SLHS without paying the matching better school district housing price. Is it fair?

Why crossfield is criticized when they value academic quality, Fox Mill is not?

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PP kept saying Fox Mill should leave SLHS for KAA, and making fun of crossdield os sending them to SLHS.

This is not attack? What you call this, Fox Mill?